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WASHINGTON | Fri May 21, 2010 1:44am EDT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - China is building an advanced combat jet that may rival within eight years Lockheed Martin Corp's F-22 Raptor, the premier U.S. fighter, a U.S. intelligence official said.

The date cited for the expected deployment is years ahead of previous Pentagon public forecasts and may be a sign that China's rapid military buildup is topping many experts' expectations.

"We're anticipating China to have a fifth-generation fighter ... operational right around 2018," Wayne Ulman of the National Air and Space Intelligence Center testified on Thursday to a congressionally mandated group that studies national security implications of U.S.-China economic ties.

"Fifth-generation" fighters feature cutting-edge capabilities, including shapes, materials and propulsion systems designed to make them look as small as a swallow on enemy radar screens.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates had said last year that China "is projected to have no fifth-generation aircraft by 2020" and only a "handful" by 2025.

He made the comments on July 16 to the Economic Club of Chicago while pushing Congress to cap F-22 production at 187 planes in an effort to save billions of dollars in the next decade.

Ulman is China "issues manager" at the center that is the U.S. military's prime intelligence producer on foreign air and space forces, weapons and systems. He said China's military was eyeing options for possible use of force against Taiwan, which Beijing deems a rogue province.

The People's Liberation Army, as part of its Taiwan planning, also is preparing to counter "expected U.S. intervention in support of Taiwan," he told the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission.

He said the PLA's strategy included weakening U.S. air power by striking air bases, aircraft carrier strike groups and support elements if the U.S. stepped in.

Attacks against U.S. "basing infrastructure" in the western Pacific would be carried out by China's air force along with an artillery corps' conventional cruise missile and ballistic missile forces, he said outlining what he described as a likely scenario.

He described China as a "hard target" for intelligence-gathering and said there were a lot of unknowns about its next fighter, a follow-on to nearly 500 4th generation fighters "that can be considered at a technical parity" with older U.S. fighters.

"It's yet to be seen exactly how (the next generation) will compare one on one with say an F-22," Ulman told the commission. "But it'll certainly be in that ballpark."

Lockheed Martin, the Pentagon's No. 1 supplier by sales, is in the early stages of producing another fifth-generation fighter, the F-35. Developed with eight partner countries in three models with an eye to achieving economies of scale and export sales, it will not fly as fast nor as high as the F-22.

Gates has argued that the United States enjoys a lopsided advantage in fighters, warships and other big-ticket military hardware. Some U.S. congressional decisions on arms programs amount to overkill, out of touch with "real-world" threats and today's economic strains, he said in two speeches on the issue this month.

"For example, should we really be up in arms over a temporary projected shortfall of about 100 Navy and Marine strike fighters relative to the number of carrier wings, when America's military possesses more than 3,200 tactical combat aircraft of all kinds?" Gates said on May 8.

"Is it a dire threat that by 2020 the United States will have only 20 times more advanced stealth fighters than China?" he added at the Eisenhower presidential library in Abilene, Kansas.

Geoff Morrell, the Pentagon press secretary, discounted the gap between the timelines cited by Gates and Ulman. He declined to comment on whether China had made enough progress since last July to change intelligence on the next fighter's debut.

Richard Fisher, an expert on the Chinese military at the private International Assessment and Strategy Center, said Gates' decision to end F-22 production is proving to be "potentially very wrong."

"We will need more F-22s if we are going to adequately defend our interests," he said in an interview on Thursday at the hearing.

Bruce Lemkin, a U.S. Air Force deputy undersecretary for ties to foreign air forces, told the commission he had visited Taiwan twice in his official capacity and that the capabilities of Taiwan's aging F-16s, also built by Lockheed, were not "keeping up."

Whether to meet Taiwan's request for advanced F-16 fighters or upgrade the old ones was still under review by the Obama administration, he said before Ulman spoke.

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Comments (4)
Aquanut wrote:
I couldn’t concur more with the Richard Fisher’s perspective in this case. Ending the F-22 when the production line was just becoming mature and efficient and producing actual operational, next-gen fighters is indeed proving to be “potentially very wrong”.

What could further be argued as more prudent ‘next gen’ doctrine would be for a joint USN/USAF CVN operable FB-22xx class platform – something with considerable stand-off range and far more affordable (and actually plausible) than the NGB concept. Furthermore, the FB-22xx could be operational and in more credible numbers, before the NGB.

Such a platform would also be able to operate with the anticipated N-UCAS type system from CVN or more remote ground basing. Operating cooperatively, both platforms would employ a more legitimate, feasible and reliable next-gen deterrence in general and not directed against any state in particular.

May 20, 2010 12:17am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ErnestPayne wrote:
Sounds like the aerospace military industrial group is trying to ramp up fear in order to get their share of the defense budget.

May 21, 2010 1:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ARJTurgot wrote:
Anybody but me recall that overwhelming Soviet army – the one equipped with all those superior weapons we had to match?

Historically, the mainlanders have had a wonderful sense of the long-term. I don’t think they have lost it.

So,

China has many reasons to not attack Taiwan. First, it might like to have a healthy Taiwan as part of China, and bombing it would not help much.

Next, China has a debt level of 16% of GDP, and we have one at +70% of GDP. In a short while it will be able to buy Taiwan, or at least those parts it finds attractive. Probably it will find a great many willing sellers. We will not be positioned to compete as buyers.

Lastly, China needs a very short logistical line to put and keep pressure on Taiwan. We, not so fortunate. Sort of like the Viet Cong. After the battle they still lived there, and we were never going to. With very little work, they can make our lives miserable, and wear our fleet and aircrews down to the point the rivets pop.

We may have a small hand in the form of the final union, but we are not going to stop the union from happening, regardless of how many new planes we have.

The Taiwanese are actually fairly fortunate. The mainlanders like them, consider them family. The Japanese are not going to be so fortunate. With a debt rate around +190% of GDP, the Japanese are going to be old, poor, and wistful for bygone days. I don’t think they will like working for Chinese owners.

May 21, 2010 2:03am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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