Republican budget draws election contrast with Obama

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fromthecenter wrote:

What world do these guys live in where seniors living on a fixed budget can go out there with a voucher and find a better deal then they do on medicare? I mean, do they think that health insurance companies are lining up to give seniors affordable healthcare? really? This is one of the most irrational ideas i’ve heard in a long time.

Mar 19, 2012 10:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

More of the same ‘starve the beast’ BS from the GOP, to quote article ‘The Ryan plan contains another element popular with Republicans across the board: tax reform. It proposes to cut top rates for individuals, paring back the number of tax brackets to two – 25 percent and 10 percent – from six now.’

Who in their right mind when we are facing trillion dollar deficits would CUT revenue, just to give the richest among us nice tax breaks?

Mar 20, 2012 10:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jcfl wrote:

the gop has only two agendas – both spoken in private only:
1. eliminate taxes on the wealthy and large corporations.
2. eliminate all public programs.
nothing else matters. all else they say is just lip service, smoke and mirrors. what the rest of us propose is to return to tax rates they have already paid, before 1980, and between 1994 and 2000. that is not an increase, just giving back the lucrative breaks given by reagan and bush2. they were wealthy then they will still be wealthy. America is not an oligarchy yet and i trust that the 99% will understand it cannot become one, and that their votes will always outnumber the gop. but we have to vote! they have at most 25% of the population that swallow everything the gop, fox, & the radio bobble heads say.
abortion? didn’t the gop have all four branches of govt in total control for 6 years? why then was nothing done about roe v wade, or for that matter a balanced budget, deficit control, social security, medicare, medicaid, healthcare? for the answer see #1&2 above. smoke and mirrors – wake up before they ruin this country – they came much too close the last time they were in control.

“My heart and my best intentions still tell me that’s true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not.” Ronald Reagan

Mar 20, 2012 10:21am EDT  --  Report as abuse
TIREDINPHILLY wrote:

And this will pay off the national debt how? Maybe we need an improved progressive tax to re-capture lost revenues from those profitted the most.

Mar 20, 2012 10:24am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SanPa wrote:

Simpson-Bowles is a simple blueprint. We’re over a third of the way through the recommendations, already. So why not just finish the job?

Mar 20, 2012 10:45am EDT  --  Report as abuse
mandrsn1 wrote:

@USAPragmatist “Who in their right mind when we are facing trillion dollar deficits would CUT revenue, just to give the richest among us nice tax breaks?”

Without knowing more details, we do not know if this would actually lower revenue. For example, if it removes capital gains and dividend exemptions and treats them as ordinary income, the super wealthy would likely see a tax increase. More details are needed to see revenue impacts.

Mar 20, 2012 10:46am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JustSayNo wrote:

It’s seems that many feel that the plan should be ‘do nothing’. You obviously don’t follow the international news. The present course – as prescribed by the Obama administration could be called ‘bury head in sand’ approach. We must – must – get spending under control now. Ryan is on the right track. It’s not a partisan issue any longer – it’s between ‘right’ and ‘wrong’. Republicans are right – Democrats are wrong.

Mar 20, 2012 10:46am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JL4 wrote:

If we don’t vote out Republicans in the next House and Senate elections, we deserve what we get. What they’re doing is evil.

Mar 20, 2012 10:48am EDT  --  Report as abuse
MichPositive wrote:

The Ayn Rand agenda marches forward.

Mar 20, 2012 10:53am EDT  --  Report as abuse
robgrant wrote:

How about we cut out all of the benefits to congressman to save money. After all, they get these benefits for a lifetime even if they only serve one term.

Mar 20, 2012 10:54am EDT  --  Report as abuse

If Republicans want to simplify the tax code eliminate all tax shelters and write offs. This will simplify the tax structure .. if you make $100,000 you know that you will be paying $15,000 in taxes …. if the republicans really wanted to raise revenue they would close the corporate tax loop holes which the corporations drive billions through!….. nothing more than election year politics and trickle down chump change……

Mar 20, 2012 10:55am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Benjamin360 wrote:

The number of income brackets is irrelevant. It is all the other byzantine BS that makes it difficult to define exactly what “income” is.

Why penalize one form of personal income but not another?

I say get rid of all the problems of defining what income is. Get rid of all the loopholes, tax credits, tax incentives, bloated IRS, etc.

Let people keep every dollar they earn.

Tax what they spend. Get rid of the income tax. Change to a national sales tax. This way everybody will pay taxes. The rich and the poor alike will pay taxes on whatever they choose to spend their money on. The wealthier Americans will pay more because they will be buying more. They will be buying more expensive items and in larger quantities. Undocumented immigrants will pay taxes as well. The American citizens nor the undocumented immigrants will have to file any tax returns.

Mar 20, 2012 10:55am EDT  --  Report as abuse
NowYouKnow wrote:

It’s not a tax revenue problem. It’s a spending problem. Thanks for yet another plan (a new one every month?). And the liberals will continue to say that the conservatives don’t have a plan. That’s called projection.

Mar 20, 2012 10:56am EDT  --  Report as abuse
boa2112 wrote:

This sounds like a good start. If he would reduce the military spending and eliminate unnecessary cabinet positions like Dept of Education, EPA EMA; Homeland security; HUD and others, we would be on our way back to fiscal sanity. Also, we should end the war on drugs. These savings would greatly reduce government spending at the federal level.

Mar 20, 2012 10:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
rgolds wrote:

The Democrats have only one plan. Bancrupt America.

Mar 20, 2012 10:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
moetheshmo wrote:

Ghetto`s throughout the nation are now being supported, but still are needy. Any attempt by conservative entitlement cutters to make life more difficult will result in a scream of pain. Let’s not pinch a sleeping dog, it bites.

Mar 20, 2012 11:00am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BahBah wrote:

The 25% bracket and 10% brackets would work very well if we got rid of most deductions. It would simplify tax preparation, raise more revenues from the wealthy and continue to collect zero from the least fortunate Americans. Take it from a preparer, flat tax IS the way to go. The upper class will misinform and say it would disproportionately affect the poor, so set a threshold where the first $40,000 of family income is non taxable. Problem solved, and the tax code shrinks from 60,000 pages to 6. As spending needs fluctuate, you fluctuate the rate to compensate. In times of war, the rates would be higher. In times of peace and economic growth, they could trend downward. Politicians won’t go for it as tax breaks are their bargaining chip to securing campaign donations and votes.

Mar 20, 2012 11:03am EDT  --  Report as abuse
DigitalTexan wrote:

What has been proposed may seem draconian, but the reality is that those receiving assistance (earned and unearned) from the government is creating a burden that can not be born by the wealth producers. As a result, the government is borrowing in an effort to pretend that they can continue with existing entitlements. The ability to borrow will diminish and the cost to borrow will increase until we face collapse.

The best solution is to ween the able but dependent from government dependency now and reduce the burden on wealth producers so that we have a chance of producing enough goods and services to let us all maintain the standard of living that we have come to expect. Alternatively, the path of borrow and pretend will end catastrophically for the children and grandchildren we say we love so much.

Mar 20, 2012 11:06am EDT  --  Report as abuse
rilo0923 wrote:

The heartless, lack of compassion group is the one that insists on spending more than we take in and bringing the entire system down. We can all agree we need to help the helpless and most disadvantage in the country. However, if we don’t have some tough-love soon, we will all be disadvantaged with no one able to revive the corpse.

Mar 20, 2012 11:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse
mewp1 wrote:

After reading the comments I get the idea that most of yo do not have a clue about economics and debt. Quit drinking the kool aid and read a book on economics. Even a high school level book might enlighten some of you.

Mar 20, 2012 11:09am EDT  --  Report as abuse
hwobs wrote:

No, one tax bracket, 10% for everyone, or better yet, a 10% consumption tax and eliminate all income, property, and other taxes such as capital gains and death taxes. The government should learn to do it’s Constitutionally obligated business on a sound budget. The rest should be left to the states and private enterprise. Let the people decide how to dispose of their own income, whether for retirement, charitable contributions, tithing etc.

Mar 20, 2012 11:10am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Dilbertnomore wrote:

If everyone don’t vote out Democrats in the next White House, House and Senate elections, we deserve what we get. What the Democrats are doing is evil.

Mar 20, 2012 11:10am EDT  --  Report as abuse
hendvon wrote:

Mr. Ryan is putting forth a plan that many democrats instinctively dismiss without even reading it. What is wrong with shrinking government? His proposal for block grants to the states would allow the states to tailor their expenditures to the needs of their citizens. The needs of people in Idaho are different from those in Georgia. As long as the strings a centralized government like the ones the past few administrations have made are cut this plan could work. In this way we could have 50 (57 if Obama is counting) different experiments on which form and power level government should take. As we have seen a one size fits all approach does not work and it makes no sense whatsoever to continue along the same path. The federal government was meant to fight wars, protect rights, and make treaties; not confiscate earnings, redistribute wealth, and dictate rules to the populace. We have fought many wars against kings/dictators/communism so do not let a homegrown version destroy this nation. Reagan said government is the problem. He was right.

Mar 20, 2012 11:12am EDT  --  Report as abuse
DonDeMarco wrote:

I guess that everyone has checked out everything in the plan already right? No? Thought not, just your typical leftist lies and demagoguery. By the way, where is that budget from the Senate? 1045 days and counting.

Just for your information, just because you have checks left in the checkbook, does not mean you have any money.

Mar 20, 2012 11:12am EDT  --  Report as abuse
RangerDan wrote:

Two simultaneous wars both unfunded(one ill advised) and an unfunded mega tax break to the uber rich equals 11 trillion of our debt. It’s like the family meeting where mom and dad sit down with the kids and say: “Sorry kids, mom and I blew the entire budget at the casino, now we have to fix it by not buying groceries anymore, and you both have to drop out of college”. Once again the middle class pays for the boondoggles of the republicans because the rich don’t want to pay their fair share of taxes because they think they create all the jobs. They don’t, the middle class creates all the jobs with their demand. No demand, no jobs.

Mar 20, 2012 11:16am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ScottNJ wrote:

I love Ryan but this still doesnt go far enough. $18B reduction? we need $500B per year reductions and it’ll STILL take 20 years to get out of debt! $18B? that’s like 3 days. To this regime that’s pennies dropped onto the sidewalk…not even worth bending down to pick up.

Mar 20, 2012 11:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Izzy999 wrote:

I’ve been voting since ’76 (mostly republican). Never have I seen such a black and white contrast between the 2 parties. Couldn’t have said it better than jcfl (below), except to add that the GOP is also anti-women (contraception issues), anti-middle class and anti-seniors. I heard on MSNBC that the GOP plan also does away with loopholes like Pell grants (for college) and mortgage interest deductions. SO. . .if you’re rich enough that you don’t need a loan to pay for your kids’ college and your mansion is already paid for, I guess you love this plan. Also, rich enough that you don’t care how much they gut Medicare. The only thing that cheers me up is that the GOP poster boys this election year are Romney (I wish they’d stop referring to him as a “businessman” and call him what he really is–a financier who built his fortune by gutting companies and killing jobs) and Santorum (where do I even begin?). Honestly, if this is the best the GOP could do, they are not the power I thought they were. I hope “the masses” will see behind the smoke and mirrors of “family values and reduced government” to see that 99% of us would be worse off with the GOP’s master plan.

Mar 20, 2012 11:25am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Tonylord wrote:

GOP believes in (3) things. PERFECT NATION FOR GOP.
1) Cut and slash the budget regardless of whomever it hurts including
children, old people and sick people except do not touch the defense
so to allow new wars which are very important.
2) CUT the taxes, specially for the rich making over $500K/ year and
and up,So they can trickle it down to the rest of the unwashed.
Besides the rich can only create jobs. If we did not have rich we
would not have any jobs in this country.
3) Let’s start new wars and bully the world. The wars are good for our
economy and future and our children because it create millions of
new jobs. The world is afraid of us so the world respects us.

Mar 20, 2012 11:26am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ThinkAgain1 wrote:

I agree 100% with Benjamin360. A National Sales tax not only is ‘FAIR’ to everyone, but it also covers illegals and tourists who get to use the USA services for free. The rich spend more than us poor folks! Ryan’s budget may have the wrong line items, but the problem is spending! I would love to run my house budget in a deficit and promise to get it balanced by some moving target in the future. The debt under Obama has grown greater than during the Bush years. Until we elect Statesmen instead of Politicians, we will be in trouble.

Mar 20, 2012 11:26am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ThinkAgain1 wrote:

I agree 100% with Benjamin360. A National Sales tax not only is ‘FAIR’ to everyone, but it also covers illegals and tourists who get to use the USA services for free. The rich spend more than us poor folks! Ryan’s budget may have the wrong line items, but the problem is spending! I would love to run my house budget in a deficit and promise to get it balanced by some moving target in the future. The debt under Obama has grown greater than during the Bush years. Until we elect Statesmen instead of Politicians, we will be in trouble.

Mar 20, 2012 11:26am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Demobust wrote:

Republicans will be maligned for suggesting that our government spending should be constrained, that it should spend only within reasonable limits to tax. And even more bizarre is the Democrats will cry foul and complain of such reasonable legislators rather than ADMITTING that a large and growing deficit is the road to ruin or nation. AH! But ruining or controlling an economy is Central to Marxism so now it begins to makes sense.

Mar 20, 2012 11:27am EDT  --  Report as abuse
RealAmerican2 wrote:

Are you people for real? If you cut taxes across the board, Libs say it’s a tax cut for the rich! How crazy is that? GWB cut taxes on all Americans, yet the axis of evil in Washington, Pelosi, Reid, Obama continue to say it was a tax cut for the rich. I say cut the tax rates to just two! If the mor ons in Washington can just lean to only spend with what they get, like the rest of us I might add, then a tax cut is possible. I read daily how money is spent on the most unbelieveable things. We still provide finacial aide to China for goodness sake! We send them money, then they turn around and lend us that same money back. What politican came up with that great idea? I love it when I read some idiot say the rich don’t pay there fair share, yet 49% of Americans don’t pay any federal taxes. 10% of earners pay over 80% of taxes. Would one of you liberials out there explain to me what “their fair share” means? I think peoplr who blame Fox, and the GOP for ruining this country have drank the coolaid and can no longer form rational thoughts!

Mar 20, 2012 11:27am EDT  --  Report as abuse
vtxtreme wrote:

The Democrats have controlled the White House and had a super majority in Congress. They could have done whatever they wanted. What did we get? Shovel-ready debt, laser like focus on failing green energy companies, hope that gas prices would change and 2 more wars than when Obama took office. This is the GOP’s fault? Liberals have gotten everything Obama wanted and millions of them don’t pay income taxes to pay for it. The current state of this nation is laid squarely at “The One’s” feet.

Mar 20, 2012 11:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Tonylord wrote:

Neither party is right when it comes to budget. The answer lies in the middle somewhere. Without compromise we can never move forward. This nation was created with compromise. Even our forefathers had to work out compromises among themselves to have the big price. These petty politicians constantly trying to score political points and obstructing on all issues have lost touch with reality. Extremists on both sides have destroyed this nations future.

Mar 20, 2012 11:33am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Yirmin wrote:

Here’s a more realistic approach. A “head tax” Every man/woman/child is assessed a bill for the exact same amount of taxes… no more of one person paying more than another everyone pays the same. After all aren’t we all supposed to be equal, aren’t we all supposed to received equal access to the government services and assistance?

If you want to tax me 25% and someone else only 10% or 0%… then I damn sure want to be treated better than anyone else paying less… let me cut in line at the DMV, let me cut in line in front of anyone using foodstamps at the grocery store… treat me like royalty if your going to screw me over more than others.

Mar 20, 2012 11:35am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Eric93 wrote:

The main reason for Medicare running into problems is that it has an unbalanced actuarial pool. It only covers seniors, people at end-of-life- ie those with health problems. It’s not a real insurance pool – ie one which covers all ages. The ‘reform’ that should have been done is to make it ‘Medicare’ for all ages, like any real insurance pool. And, like any ‘real’ insurance pool it needs to have better defined ‘caps’, and ‘co-pays’ to minimize frivolous, unnecessary doctor visits. With the same 80/20% coverage, $20 visit copay,, and $50K annual and $500K lifetime caps, the plan could be sustainable with the appropriate reasonable age-related premiums as any other health insurance. Then, just as with current Medicare, people who wanted more coverage could buy supplemental plans from private insurers. The benefit of a ‘single-payer’ system is that it makes it easy for doctors to bill as there is only one billing methodology. Anyone who has done billing at a doctors office will tell you what a mess it is currently with every cockamamey insurance company having different methods, coverages, codes, etc. That stupidity and inefficiency would go away under a single-payer system. But, of course, this is too simple. People (ie visious arrogant buffoons) like Ryan want seniors to go out and buy insurance on the free market. Is he kidding? At Medicare age most of us can hardly tie our shoelaces let alone search through complicated, deceptive insurance plan advertising and ‘choose’ a supplemental plan or part-D drug plan. Is he so vicious that he just wants us to die so his ‘real constituency’ (big business) can rip us all off too? Or has he got his head so far up his posterior orifice in his arrogance that he can’t see what’s happening in real life?

Mar 20, 2012 11:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
johnnys2012 wrote:

USAPragmatist, JCFL, you fail to understand to economics. Actually, most Americans do. Social programs need to be reigned in. Even if you increased taxes and took every dollar of profit from the corporations it will not satisfy our bloated government. If you want a bloated government, get out of the US and go live somewhere else because there is plenty of that to go around.

Forget about the class warfare BS crap. I am a hard working american who finally makes money and dedicated my heart and soul and now you want to take more of it? Cutting taxes is not giving the rich more. It means the government is stealing less!

It is time to cut spending not only because the government is worthless along with all these politicians, but because we cannot afford it anymore!

When capitalism can work, the rich get richer but the middle class and poor get richer too! What you see now is fascism, a form of socialism and all it will is increase economic disparity among the classes.

Time to rein in the out of control Federal Reserve, and elect someone who actually wants to fix our problems. And no, that is not Romney and it is surely not Obama.

Mar 20, 2012 11:43am EDT  --  Report as abuse
actualsun wrote:

Looks like the left’s high school drop outs quickly jumped onto the boards to tell everyone that the republicans want to hurt the poor. They’re a joke and I’m not wasting more time on them.

Mr. Lawder, quit trying to be sneaky with how you sew your ideology into your writing. This string of debacles is not just a republican’t issue, it’s also a democrap issue. Also, I’d like to personally thank you for teaching me that social safety nets are used by the poor and middle classes. Next time, you should just bold it and put it in all caps.

Why wouldn’t we push for lower tax rates for everyone or have the same tax rate for everyone? Is it really worth enslaving people with government dependence just to buy votes?

Mar 20, 2012 11:46am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jekyllisle wrote:

Mindset of liberal;

- Tax all corporations at 50%
- Pay no attention that tax will be passed on to the average middle class person in the form of higher prices
- Spend every penny brought in by taxes right this instant for enjoyment now
- Pay no attention to the ridiculous amount of debt the future generations will have
- Cave to the agenda of the UN and “international will” and invade countries like Syria, Egypt and Libya
- Pay no attention to the cost or the strife that is building in the Middle East or how the militants who despise Israel are now being armed by the US
- Force every US citizen to have to buy health insurance or else
- Pay no attention to the fact that health insurance companies will make a bundle from the law
- Stop all drilling of oil and focus on nothing but alternative sources
- Pay no attention of the average person who is struggling with gas prices and could never even afford to change their oil heat home or buy an electric car

Finally on the libs agenda, rip up the Constitution, kill the middle class, worship the hollywood elite and all bow east in praise of Obama.

Now go ahead and argue those points if you can

Mar 20, 2012 11:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
thenewright wrote:

Some of you people obviously haven’t even had a BASIC economics class. Even Obama’s idol, John Maynard Keynes, says that cutting taxes will increase aggregate demand…

Mar 20, 2012 11:49am EDT  --  Report as abuse
subiedude wrote:

So all of the Democrat Libs on this comment board, first you need to read what is being proposed exactly, second, if you dont like it, come up with your own solution other than Obama endless spending and no plan to reduce the deficit in reality. We just passed 100% of debt to GDP and Obama & Dems dont want to cut any spending and their only plan is borrow more money from China. We are passd the point of not being able to repay the debt, so the only option, if you dont want to cut spending, is to print money and devalue our currency. What do you want to do now?

Mar 20, 2012 11:50am EDT  --  Report as abuse
mikemm wrote:

Yirmin,

So if everyone’s share per head of the tax burden comes out to $5K each, then a family of four would owe $20K regardless of their level of income?

What if the family doesn’t earn that much or cxan’t pay that amount be cause they need to pay rent and eat and a few other essentials? Do we throw them all in debtor’s prison and confiscate all their possessions?

Meanwhile the wealthy family and businesses just write a check that has negligible impact to them financially.

How is it fair for all for the majority of people to pay most of their income on taxes while the wealthy pay almost nothing in proportion to their income?

Mar 20, 2012 11:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
sumbunny wrote:

I think I can summarize the position of many here with “give me my entitlements, and make that other guy pay for them.”

Mar 20, 2012 11:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
chasepointer wrote:

Wow, Once again the leftwing socialist media leaves out the details to make the Rep look evil.
I do hope you people realize this article is leaving out tons of details that really makes this plan work.
For example, the tax rate…. Go look at how many deductions the so call “rich” get now….with this plan the “rich” will end up paying more in taxes… But hey, no matter what, you socialist think that some how the more money taken out of the hands of the consumer will some how grow an economy.
As for Medicare…. This plan will save Medicare and produce better results… But lets not look at the details…. or the fact that Obama cut more out of Medicare in order to fund Obamacare than what the Rep are offering in order to save it.
Details, Details, Details,… Something the Socialist leftwing media seem to always ignore when it comes to getting Obama re-elected.

Mar 20, 2012 11:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Reagan1980 wrote:

How is one to comment on the typical socialist liberal blather that is posted here? Do any of you geniuses have a freakin’ inclination of economics as related to your worn out mantra of “raise taxes on the rich” and what the unintended consequences of that effort will do to the already fragile economic environment? No, of course you don’t. It takes too much effort to actually do the research that has proven time and time again that raising taxes on the “evil producers of wealth” who actually get to keep some of it, god forbid, will stop any growth we might be experiencing right in its tracks. But then again, you all voted for Obama, didn’t you?

Mar 20, 2012 11:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jekyllisle wrote:

Mindset of liberal;

- Tax all corporations at 50%
- Pay no attention that tax will be passed on to the average middle class person in the form of higher prices
- Spend every penny brought in by taxes right this instant for enjoyment now
- Pay no attention to the ridiculous amount of debt the future generations will have
- Cave to the agenda of the UN and “international will” and invade countries like Syria, Egypt and Libya
- Pay no attention to the cost or the strife that is building in the Middle East or how the militants who despise Israel are now being armed by the US
- Force every US citizen to have to buy health insurance or else
- Pay no attention to the fact that health insurance companies will make a bundle from the law
- Stop all drilling of oil and focus on nothing but alternative sources
- Pay no attention of the average person who is struggling with gas prices and could never even afford to change their oil heat home or buy an electric car

Finally on the libs agenda, rip up the Constitution, kill the middle class, worship the hollywood elite and all bow east in praise of Obama

Mar 20, 2012 11:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
DDC9 wrote:

To those of you saying that the GOP ONLY wants to cut taxes to the rich and corporations at the expense of the poor I have a question…

Why should the rich pay for the responsibities of the poor? A better question might be, how many services do the poor pay for in society as compared to the rich?

The fact is that there will certainly ALWAYS be those who are not as well off as others. Stop trying to compare people and accept that fact.

The problem with government is that they spend money they don’t have merely for political purposes. Beyond that, a dollar spent by a government, at any level, is like you or me spending forty cents. They waste that extra 60 cents in the process since they are inefficient.

@RangerDan: You do know that your math is wrong, right? And the wars, frankly were a small part of the budget and both, whether you like it or not, were wise considering the events of the time. They have been drug out due to the actions of the party in power right now.

Mar 20, 2012 12:00pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
richsob wrote:

fromthecenter – what type of ignorant world do you live in? Have you never heard of Medicare HMO’s? They exist today, and many seniors enjoy the additional benefits they receive utilizing these programs. Any poor “senior living on a fixed budget” who can’t OR DOESN’T WANT to participate can always elect to stay on their current government run feeding tube. Unlike Obama care, reasonable reform offered by conservatives offers CHOICE and is not mandated.

Mar 20, 2012 12:00pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Luke-John wrote:

What Mr Ryan and the Republicans need to add to their proposed budget are even deeper cuts if not outright closing of several bloated and unnecessary government departments, committees, etc. Plus a complete overhaul of Congressional/Senate/Cabinet pay, benefits, staffing and office allowances.

Mar 20, 2012 12:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
OKCRighty wrote:

Most of the posters on this board haven’t a clue. The simultaneous wars are a drop in the bucket in regards to the debt. And, tax breaks to the rich may cause short-term cuts in revenue, but the historical evidence shows that they free up capital and substantially increase long-term revenues. Since the problem we face is a long-term problem, short-term fixes are not the answer. The economy is stalled due to the highest corporate taxes in the developed world, stifling government regulation, and an out-of-control, spend-happy federal government.

Compassion is a good thing, but compassion is best practiced from individual to individual. Continuing record government hand-outs to the poor when the ship is sinking will only guarantee that we will all drown. Freedom and the Nanny State cannot co-exist. Freedom requires each citizen to take responsibility for his own welfare. I’d rather do or die than take from another for my own subsistence. Patrick Henry is famously quoted, “Give me liberty, or give me death!” Unfortunately, too few Americans believe in that sentiment or understand the personal responsibility that freedom requires.

Mar 20, 2012 12:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
phnx wrote:

Stop the fear mongering Dems…there is NO CHANGE in Social Security or Medicare for those over 55.

Keep punishing the corporations and those that own them and you will accelerate the flow of capital and jobs out of this country. The US now has the HIGHEST corporate tax rates in the world. Lowering the tax rates on Corporations will attract investment and create jobs

Mar 20, 2012 12:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Krinks wrote:

Why is it always the elderly’s programs that needs “reformed” but never the defense budget that is nearly as high as every other nations combined?

Mar 20, 2012 12:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TimmyTimmy wrote:

Obama believes the tax on foreign profits should be raised! So what is the best way for a corporation to lower your foreign profits? Think about it libs…There is a very easy answer.

Mar 20, 2012 12:15pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
prograssive wrote:

Paul Ryan as the vice-presidential nominee, running on a ticket that among other things, seeks to cut taxes even further on the have-mosts, and turn Medicare into a voucher program…
Why don’t they just forfeit the election now?

Mar 20, 2012 12:19pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Luke-John wrote:

Jcfl:
I could just as easily say that the Democrats believe in 2 things:
1. Tax the bejeebers out of the middle class while protecting our super-rich masters (e.g.: Soros, Kaiser, Buell, Resnick, Immelt, Geithner, Kennedy, Pelosi, and so many others…), give some of the tax to the 50+ percent who pay no tax yet expect benefits and subsidies for everything.
2.Spend like a drunken sailor on public programs whether needed or not. Spend with no auditing, no attention to waste or duplication – look at the recent CBO reports that list HUNDREDS of duplicated, bloated government departments.

Mar 20, 2012 12:19pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
illinifan wrote:

Interesting that health coverage for seniors under Ryan’s plan would be purchased through a health exchange…..not too far from the Affordable Care Act which would allow insurance to be purchased through a health exchange.

The Ryan plan would lead to the demise of Medicare, as persons who are healthier and wealthier would leave Medicare, leaving the sickest and poorest and to share the higher cost of health care. It is proven that one way to drive down the cost of insurance is to ensure that there is a strong mix of health persons paying the insurance to help offset for the costs of the 5% that eat up 50% of the insurance expenditures. Another way is to make insurance publicly operated like Switzerland and remove the high cost of managing the program and high CEO pay. Watch the special on this issue on CNN. Eye opening.

Mar 20, 2012 12:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
poiu6543 wrote:

Some of you folks need to do your homework. First, Medicare was created when a majority of seniors lived near the poverty line. Today’s seniors are by far the wealthiest this country has ever had and the wealthiest group of any demographic. However, seniors are now taking 3 times out of the system what they put in – that’s not sustainable, it’s simple math. Paul Ryan is a leader in that he is willing to put ideas down on paper, in legislative language. If Democrats don’t like it they can do the same so the ideas can be debated. Instead they favor putting ideas down on bumper stickers and placards and demonize anyone willing to fix the problems this country is facing. We are on the verge of handing the next generations a country worse off than the one that was given to us, that is unforgivable.

Mar 20, 2012 12:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JesseTruth wrote:

I would not call this a “Budget Plan”. This is a POLITICAL THEATER MANUSCRIPT exclusively designed for political pranks.

Mar 20, 2012 12:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

I will be eligible for Medicare and I want NOTHING TO DO WITH government run programs. I hope the idea of a voucher program passes to give-us-a-choice as any private entity will do a much better job of ANYTHING than gummint

Mar 20, 2012 12:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

How about a patriot stepping up to the plate and making a proactive choice to get these blood sucking politicians off of their OWN retirement and medical plans and put them on ours? It’s not fair – they are – after all – Americans like you and me – right?

Mar 20, 2012 12:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
skyway wrote:

In the US if you do right, work hard, save and build, you are treated like a selfish jerk and hounded by the tax man – if you don’t worry about it and live from hand to mouth, you are rewarded mightily with public funds and handouts.

Mar 20, 2012 12:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
NowYouKnow wrote:

At least a 10% IRS tax for everybody! We need more players in this game. Everybody should be aware that they are a stakeholder. That feeling will bring us together as a country. No slackers allowed!

Mar 20, 2012 12:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
johnnys2012 wrote:

Time for bankruptcy it seems. Because no one wants to cut spending. I know in my house if I can’t pay bills I stop spending as much.

Mar 20, 2012 12:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Luke-John wrote:

@TonyLord:
1. If we don’t start cutting, there will soon be NO MONEY for the “poor, the old, the children, the sick” You cannot keep squeezing money out of the economy then using it incredibly inefficiently (and cynically) to subsidize large sectors (over 50% at last count) of society

“Tax the rich?” No chance, the Democrats will always see to it that their super-rich benefactors are protected and anyway, if they raise taxes “on the rich”, the truly wealthy politicians and their even richer backers will not pay one penny more. They already have friends in all the “right” places and know how to “game the system” – they’ve been doing it for years. At worst, some may move more assets offshore, reducing tax revenues.

No, the burden will fall squarely on the small-to-medium-sized-business owners in the private sector. You know, the people who actually take the risks, create wealth and provide jobs for MOST of us out here in the REAL world. Many of these will have to cut back, lay-off employees. Some will go out of business. This will reduce tax revenues, further burden the welfare system.

Raising taxes on corporations will just result in those increases being passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices for goods and services. As such, they are just a de-facto VAT. More businesses will send investments offshore, cut back on what they spend here. More layoffs, less tax revenue, higher welfare payments

If more revenue is needed, the only REAL way is to CREATE more prosperity. Get government out of the way of REAL private-sector business and allow them to grow. Employ people that are currently unemployed, paying no taxes and maybe receiving welfare, etc. Those new employees will pay taxes, they will spend money, pay sales taxes and create new demand for products and therefore MORE jobs.

Some government is needed to a certain extent for society to function BUT it does NOT create wealth and prosperity. The Private Sector does that. Government needs to be as small and efficient as possible and one of it’s primary roles needs to be as FACILITATOR to the Private Sector, not an over-reaching, controlling, impediment to it.

Mar 20, 2012 12:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DetroitNative wrote:

Where is the democrat congressional budget??? I saw Obama’s… but where is the Senate House and Dem budget?

Mar 20, 2012 12:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
diluded0000 wrote:

Ok Georiga, I’ll take the bait:

- Tax all corporations at 50%
No, with corporate personhood they should pay the same rate as a person that makes that much money. 35% is good, with deep discounts for adding US headcount to payroll.

- Pay no attention that tax will be passed on to the average middle class person in the form of higher prices
So don’t tax unprepared food. Higher prices would curb demand for imported plastic junk, which I don’t really see as a problem.

- Spend every penny brought in by taxes right this instant for enjoyment now
Ok, you got me on this one. I get enjoyment out of Grandma getting Medicare. I don’t get enjoyment out of the pharmaceutical companies paying politicians to let them gouge the US on prices, while people in other countries pay less.

- Pay no attention to the ridiculous amount of debt the future generations will have
We have never not had debt. We need to cut spending slowly, and across the board without exceptions, and not just pick on the poor and/or elderly.

- Cave to the agenda of the UN and “international will” and invade countries like Syria, Egypt and Libya
The military should be for protecting our borders, not occupying other countries. It is currently a honey pot for contractors, and a form of social spending for the poor.

- Pay no attention to the cost or the strife that is building in the Middle East or how the militants who despise Israel are now being armed by the US
That sort of contradicts the previous comments about ‘international will’. US defense contractors arm the world, then we use it as an excuse to use military force and give more money to the same defense contractors. Economic pressure on rogue states is less expensive.

- Force every US citizen to have to buy health insurance or else
You mean where everybody has to actually pay into the system they use? I don’t like that this is a gimmie in return for campaign contributions from insurance companies, but I don’t disagree with the concept. The alternatives are letting people die outside the hospital, or treating them for free. This is the least bad choice.

- Pay no attention to the fact that health insurance companies will make a bundle from the law
The quid pro quo is obvious.

- Stop all drilling of oil and focus on nothing but alternative sources
That is crazy misinformation. We need to develop alternative sources to be ready for when we run out of oil. If you are concerned about the debt load of future generations, why not their energy needs? But in the mean time oil companies are sitting on oil leases. Why is that? They aren’t waiting on less regulation, they are waiting on even higher prices.

- Pay no attention of the average person who is struggling with gas prices and could never even afford to change their oil heat home or buy an electric car
I see this proposed budget as way more harmful to the average person. And why are people on the right so opposed to electric cars, other than the Koch funded messages mocking them? Right now they are expensive toys for early adopters. But there needs to be some incentive to keep the business alive and develop them to tip the economy of scale, so that at some point they are a cost benefit for the average person.

Finally on the libs agenda, rip up the Constitution, kill the middle class, worship the hollywood elite and all bow east in praise of Obama
Bush ripped the crap out of the constitution with the Patriot act, and the TSA. We the people actually shut down SOPA, in spite of bipartisan backing. And I think the right wants the middle class to carry the upper classes tax burden. If you are milking more out of the system, you should put more of it back.

Mar 20, 2012 12:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
1WhoQuestions wrote:

Seriously? Is it all Republicans fault? In alot of your views it does not matter than President Bush had a Democratic Congress for his last two terms in office. It does not matter that both the White House and both houses of Congress were run by Democrats and that all of them spent like there was no tomorrow. Is that what you are saying? I’m not saying Republicans are innocent by any means. However, it is about idiotic to say Democrat good, Republican bad, which seems to sum up the majority of the posts.

Government should not be all things to all people. People have different views. Did not Hillary Clinton say that “We have the right to disagree with ANY administration”? Last I checked, that included both the Democrat and Republican administrations.

Solve the problem. CUT SPENDING. Yes, some will be hurt by that happening. But doesn’t charity begin at home? What about churches and other not for profit organizations? Why is it the government’s responsibility to care for everyone?

Institute a flat tax. 10% as a national sales tax. No exceptions (save not for profits and religious organizations, which are already tax exempt). 10% income tax for everyone exept those under 18. Based on your gross income. 25% income tax on businesses, no exceptions (except those previously mentioned). A business makes $1B, they pay $250M in taxes. An individual makes $50K, they pay $5K in taxes. Yes, the rich get richer. However, lowering tax rates has always resulted in increased government revenue. This plan also eliminates all the loopholes by simplifying the tax codes. Just imagine being able to do your taxes in less than 5 minutes and a business doing there taxes in the same amount of time. Everyone is taxed on the gross income equally.

Lastly, balanced budget ammendment. Need I say more?

The object is to get the US economy back on track and debt under control. Things will be hard. However, we as a people and a nation will be far better off in the long run. In a Republic the power resides in the people and it is time to restore that principle once again.

Mar 20, 2012 12:48pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
what-the wrote:

And what exactly is the Democrat answer to a balance budget and simulating an economy. TAX, TAX, TAX, and spend that TAX money faster than it can possibly be collected. This country is in a crisis for its basic survival, and the only plan that Democrats have is to demonize the GOP with any idea that comes forth. The Dems and their empty suit president will have destroyed this country if given another 4 years and all for the sake of holding on to their power base with ZERO regard for the mind-numb kool-aid drinking robots they call constituents. The Dems and this administration can not site one piece of legislation that they were responsible for that will lead to an improvement of anyone’s life in this country – NOT ONE! The USA is now Greece. We are afloat because of the Federal Reserve tenacious appetite to print money and destroy its value all in the same breath.

Mar 20, 2012 12:49pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
arynolds wrote:

A lot of stupid comments here already that demonize republicans and make them into old lady killers and fat cats while ignoring the elephant in the room: the country is going f*#king bankrupt. Can any of you liberals actually do math or do you spend the time you have in your mother’s basement looking for the gov’t to fund your miserable existence so your mom doesn’t have to anymore? The GOP wants to shrink gov’t and all you can do is allow the MSM to tell you all you know about republicans instead of doing some of your own research. Common sense says there is a limited supply of other people’s money, yet you believe the “let’s buy the vote” democrats who say “it ain’t that bad”. Do the math morons and wake up unless you admire what Greece has become. Then keep vying for your social safety nets and mass give aways from your favorite progressive politician. Just be ready to say goodbye to true freedom when the economy collapses.

Mar 20, 2012 12:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
15tinthehole wrote:

What world do we live in where we allow politicians to steal from the treasury to cover political promises? Affordable healthcare will not happen with this new healthcare bill. Do you understand it is costing more with each new item that is being exposed in this 200 pagage plan to make healthcare free in America, while the 15 unelected indivuals decide who will get care and who will not, who is a greater contributor to society and who is not. Do you understand this plan takes 500 billion from Medicare and the system will not be thge same. There will be no choices for younger folks as they become seniours . This has nothing to with taxing the rich other than to take more fro the people that employ you, not many poor persons provide jobs and we all can’t work for the gov. If the persons that want a level playing field can go to places that the field is level like Cuba and see haow great that these persons have lived with rationing and poverty whhile the leaders live in lavish lifestyles. This is the greatest country in the world any one of us can succeed, we have been the most giving nation in the world and we can be givers because we have the means, once the gov decides to take all of our means the world will starve

Mar 20, 2012 12:52pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
LogicThink wrote:

Both parties are presenting mediocre solutions. How about we cut the department of education and other useless departments, cut 500 billion and remove the income tax. The less money the government misallocates the better.

Mar 20, 2012 12:52pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
bvdon wrote:

As a conservative I can not and will not support any of the plans offered by Ryan. These are clearly aimed at the wealthy only. The rich get all the breaks and the rest of us are left to clean up the debt/deficit mess. It makes no sense at all. Keep pushing and I will pull the lever for Obama.

Mar 20, 2012 12:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
NewsDebbie wrote:

This is not a contrast to the GOP budget VS Obama. It’s the same plan the GOP has used since 1980. Yes this is the same plan and same Ryan as last year but the whole blue print of tactics is the same since 1980. The GOP is backed by the insurance industry and they use health care women/seniors and religion as hot points. History Repeats: 1980 GOP Nat’l Convention: Key states shifted against ERA. Operating in the state legislators in battleground states defeating the ERA. ERA blamed defeat on interest forces, especially the insurance industry and conservative organizations, funded by an opposition that subverted the democratic process and the will of the pro-ERA majority. The anti-ERA movement based on support among Southern whites, Evangelical Christians, Mormons, Orthodox Jews, and Roman Catholics. The only difference this time is the US Supreme Court. Corporations are people and Roberts will say the health care act is un-constitutional. Hence our representative democratic republic no longer exists and we are and will be a theocratic monied plutocracy where anyone who is not a white wealthy landowning Christian male will need to be eliminated.

Mar 20, 2012 12:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
johnlcallaway wrote:

This country does not have a revenue problem, it has a spending problem. Spending tons of money on programs run by a federal government that supports a ‘one size fits all’ application of benefits. Medicaid, Welfare, Medicare, highways, et. al. should be under the control of individual states and localities who are better able to create more efficient systems of aid. The federal government’s role should only be to monitor and research, providing information across state lines so all states have the ability to analyze programs that work and those that don’t.

Reduce the federal government to defense, diplomacy, and interstate commerce as it was intended, and our tax burden will decrease simply from having less bureaucracy that does nothing but siphon money away from the economy. It costs far more for the federal government to manage a program that it does state, counties, and cities since the local governments end up having to do both the task of administering the program AND doing the onerous reporting required by the feds for compliance.

There is NOTHING that stops any state from stepping in and help it’s citizens as federal programs reduce, and our federal tax rates hopefully also fall. States can increase taxes as they see fit and direct them towards programs as they deem necessary.

And the good news is, my vote for my city and state representatives is a lot more important to them than it is for the federal representatives.

As it should be ….

Mar 20, 2012 12:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mstamper wrote:

$3.13 trillion in deficits? And that’s the REPUBLICAN plan? How about no deficits? How about paying off (or settling at least) the National Debt? This is modern “conservatism” – a sham.

Mar 20, 2012 12:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
FutureReps wrote:

Folks we’re flat broke and Congress isn’t capable of saving the USA’s future because Dems block all solutions (like this new budget from Mr. Ryan). Obama has run the govt. for awhile now and the financial result is: 2.53 TIMES THE BUSH DAILY DEFICITS !

Mar 20, 2012 12:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mark7373 wrote:

JCFL, your quote from Reagan is out of context (like everything from the left). that quote discussed the Iran Contra Affair. same on you for having to manipulate and direct leftist thought through the manipulation of information. You are what you rail against!

Mar 20, 2012 1:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
cheesedoc wrote:

you dolts and leftists WTF here is a guy giving the ONLY budget in 5 years and it is sound and you attack him again wtf

Mar 20, 2012 1:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
arynolds wrote:

@Yirman. I like the head count approach to taxes, unfortunately it can’t work because our great and benevolent gov’t spends in ways that only socialists can appreciate. The current budget (not debt only the annual operating federal budget) comes to $11,443 per head annually. The debt without the budget comes to $137,255 per head meaning most couldn’t pay off their portion of the debt in the lifetime. A typical family of 4 would have an annual IRS bill of $45,772 which is right at the median income in this country meaning the typical family of 4 would pay 100% in taxes and the 50% below that income level still couldn’t pay their portion, so the rest of us would have to pitch in anyway. The problem is obvious: SPENDING.

Mar 20, 2012 1:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mullahmike wrote:

Democrats are fiscal nitwits. They don’t know their heads from their behinds on economic matters… Personally, I think their hatred at business and envy of those who have made more money than they have that drives their ignorant views.

We have to put the USA on firm ground in a global economy. The ground we have now says “locate your business overseas and keep your profits there or you’re going to be taxed BIG TIME.” And since democrats don’t understand that other countries don’t punish their multi-national corporations for bringing profits back without punishment that US firms are at a strong disadvantage.

Democrats like more of the same high unemployment, trillion dollar deficit spending, and welfare state expansion. Next time you see one open their mouth on economics, punch them square in the face.

Mar 20, 2012 1:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Jhawke wrote:

Obama and Dems have deficit spent MORE in just THREE YEARS than Bush & the GOP (and Dems for the last two years of term 2 under Pelosi & Reid) did in all EIGHT.

Once again we have the mealy mouthed liberal Zombiecrats whining about tax cuts for the rich and what not. Already have the US households pay zero federal income taxes to the IRS after deductions and breaks. HALF! The present course of Democrat tax & spend socialism is UNSUSTAINABLE! What part of that do yuo idiots not understand? We’ve just seen the CBO DOUBLE the cost estimate of Obamacare than what Obama and Dems said it would cost: from $900 billion to $1.7 trillion!!

And where the hell is the DEMOCRAT budget proposal? They haven’t submitted one in over THREE YEARS, let alone passed one! At least the GOP is getting something out there on record after realizing the Democrats are hell bent on destroying this nation socio-economically. This nation has been on a spending high like a crack addict, and like a crack addict, it will take slow steps to reverse this entitlement derangement syndrome the liberal Democrats have instilled on the dumb masses in America.

Mar 20, 2012 1:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
g60 wrote:

seniors on medicare need to consider if their healthcare is more important than their children’s or grandchildren’s. I’m a grandfather of 4 and, if possible, I would not hesitate to transfer my healthcare benefits to them. Sure, we earned these benefits, but lets stop being selfish and start thinking about our family’s health!

Mar 20, 2012 1:15pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
it_is_written wrote:

@NewsDebbie – “Hence our representative democratic republic no longer exists and we are and will be a theocratic monied plutocracy where anyone who is not a white wealthy landowning Christian male will need to be eliminated.”

When all else fails, libs pull the race card. Sad!

Mar 20, 2012 1:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
greece2K14 wrote:

What a novel idea lower taxes so the job creators can earn more capital and invest in goods and workers. Too bad the workers are to stupid and entitled to realize that they cannot live without the job creators. Only 49% of people paid taxes last year and no increase in taxes on the “rich” is going to significantly affect the debt. Too much money going out and not nearly enough coming in the the government. This may be too much math for the common folk, but it is only going to get worse as the baby boomers start retiring. The USA will make Greece look good when this is all said and done. Keep voting for big government and all programs will cease to exist.

Mar 20, 2012 1:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
rp_write_in wrote:

What a load of c r a p. If you want prosperity, pass the FairTax, and give up your power to destroy individuals and businesses with the income tax. Repeal the 16th amendment. www.fairtax.org.

Mar 20, 2012 1:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
LizzieM wrote:

All this talk about taxes from the 49.7% of the adult population who pay NOT ONE RED CENT in taxes. Yes, you read that correctly…. 49.7% of employment-age adults in the U.S. pay no taxes whatsoever.Let the 51.3% of us who actually contribute to society decide where our money goes. The rest of you can take it or, better yet, start paying your fair share. The gravy train is about to derail, leeches.

Mar 20, 2012 1:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
powerwhip wrote:

Vote Every republican out of Every Office Every chance you get. It’s the only way we’ll be able to stop the free ride that corporations and the mega wealthy are enjoying on the backs of the middle class. VOTE!

Mar 20, 2012 1:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
smallgovt wrote:

You can tax the rich 90% on ALL income and it would not make a dent in the deficit. After you have made the rich poor like us then where will you find the money to pay for all the programs? Big government people are like someone who is in debt but do not wish to get rid of the cable, cell phones, eating out, buying new gadgets like the ipad3, big screen tv. Instead they just get another credit card or two and continue to spend.

Mar 20, 2012 1:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mcmal1bu wrote:

jcfl wrote: “the gop has only two agendas – both spoken in private only: 1. eliminate taxes on the wealthy and large corporations. 2. eliminate all public programs.”

If this is “private” how would you know? Anybody with even half brain knows that your statement is false but.. coming from a “progressive” lies and obfuscation are expected. I wonder what else the gop says in private.. hmmm.. and if the gop is saying “that” I wonder what the “progressives” are saying in “private”.. “OMG, you can’t be serious, they think people are really that stupid?”!!

Mar 20, 2012 1:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
rp_write_in wrote:

There has only ever been ONE tax proposal in America that is not immoral and regressive, and that is the FairTax. If any of these jokers were serious about prosperity in America, they would repeal the 16th amendment and pass the FairTax.

But, they’re not serious about anything except their own aggrandizement. That goes for both parties.

Mar 20, 2012 1:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
vhpeddler wrote:

Paul Ryan and GOP Congress fail to show the way, not eliminating any of their own entitlements while most of us are getting less. When will they get serious and slice the perks, junkets , health care and other benefits their position they receive. Getting realy tired of grandstanding with pain for everyone but themselves and their support system.

Mar 20, 2012 1:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JohnG22 wrote:

We have the fattest poor people in the world. At least Clinton tried to do something about generational welfare and the $$ impact it has on government spending.

We need to get the heck out of Afghanistan and quit spending money like a drunken sailor.

Mar 20, 2012 1:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
berkoff wrote:

your government dosen’t like you does it? Ibet it gives more to foren aid then to its tax payers.

Mar 20, 2012 1:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Sensibility wrote:

The Republicans wanted to show a contrast with Obama. They have shown it. Now it’s up to the people to decide whose vision of America they want to stand behind. Will it be an America where freedom is paramount, or an America where we are all slaves to the federal debt. Or something in between.

I’d say the goal should be to vote all incumbent politicians in both parties out of office. This will allow a more reasonable discussion of the path forward for America.

Mar 20, 2012 1:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Sensibility wrote:

The Republicans wanted to show a contrast with Obama. They have shown it. Now it’s up to the people to decide whose vision of America they want to stand behind. Will it be an America where freedom is paramount, or an America where we are all slaves to the federal debt. Or something in between.

I’d say the goal should be to vote all incumbent politicians in both parties out of office. This will allow a more reasonable discussion of the path forward for America.

Mar 20, 2012 1:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
exliberal123 wrote:

Come on David! Just put a (D) next to your name next time. Sick and tired of liberal reporters, spinning the “elect Obama narrative”. Your story is full of slants, rants, and just plain falsehoods about this plan. What a joke.

Mar 20, 2012 1:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
jayburd2020 wrote:

So with a straight face, the House Republicans propose a budget that would only take 28 years to balance the budget by 2040? Is this really serious fiscal conservatism that draws a stark contrast with Obama? At the very least, I think most of us appreciate the unintentional laughs it provokes. For some political laughs of the intended sort, enjoy the following YouTube video about “Obama’s Secret Service” — http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAIo3UW5Ib0

Mar 20, 2012 1:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

There are a lot of, well, dumb comments on this site, criticizing Republicans and how they are all “for the rich and corporations…etc.”

While you obviously hate Republicans, why don’t you take a look at the numbers, numbers don’t lie: http://www.usdebtclock.org/

If we do not *CUT* spending dramatically, America WILL go bankrupt. If we go bankrupt, there will be NO MONEY for seniors living on a fixed budget, etc. None.

If you do not like Ryan’s budget why don’t you come up with one of your own. You haven’t in three years.

Mar 20, 2012 1:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
txpar3 wrote:

How is a national sales tax unfair? We could easily eliminate the over-inflated IRS completely and roll the skeleton crew necessary into the Treasury. As a small business owner, I collect sales tax and pay quarterly now. This is the only tax I don’t mind to pay because it is simply a pass-through. I don’t have to spend hours and hours trying to figure out if something deductible and if not, is the tax worth the effort. The mere fact that so many pay nothing in yet receive so much is fundamentally unfair. Everyone should pay when the money is used. We could call it a currency tax is national sales tax is too hard to swallow.

Mar 20, 2012 1:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
LizzieM wrote:

powerwhip — And I would add… Vote Every Democrat out of Every Office Every chance you get. it’s the only way we’ll be able to stop the free ride that the unions and the welfare-entitled and the 49.7% of employment-age adults in the U.S. who pay ZERO taxes and all the other hand-out recipients who are enjoying on the backs of the middle class. VOTE!

Mar 20, 2012 1:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

@USAPragmatist and other people who feel now is the time to raise taxes to pay for all this spending…

I’m sorry, but I didn’t spend the trillions of dollars on a 1000+ page healthcare bill, nor did I spend trillions sending bombs & troops into foreign countries. So why should I have to pay for any of it?

Now to the point… the Richest among us are already profiting from the out-of-control spending. In order to pay for all these things our government borrows the money from the Federal Reserve Bank which creates that money out of thin air by monetizing existing debt.
It sort of like when you take out a loan to pay down a credit card.

Guess what? The Federal Reserve Bank is NOT a government agency. It is a privately-owned corporation, owned by only a select few. Now, they charge our government interest on money they created out of thin air creating something called infinite returns. Our government taxes us in order to make those interest payments.

So what we have is the 99% being taxed to enrich the top 1%… Not only that, but we also pay higher prices for things like groceries & gas due to the sheer amount of money being printed and pumped into the economy. So it’s a double-whammy where the poor, senior & middle class get hit the hardest.

So NO–we should NOT have to pay higher taxes on top of everything else. Besides, why do you think rich oligarchs like Warren Buffet call for higher taxes? Answer: Buffet owns a huge stake in Goldman Sachs which owns a share in the Federal Reserve. Get it yet???

If Buffet has his way and we all pay our “fair share” he gets his profits faster!

Mar 20, 2012 1:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

@USAPragmatist and other people who feel now is the time to raise taxes to pay for all this spending…

I’m sorry, but I didn’t spend the trillions of dollars on a 1000+ page healthcare bill, nor did I spend trillions sending bombs & troops into foreign countries. So why should I have to pay for any of it?

Now to the point… the Richest among us are already profiting from the out-of-control spending. In order to pay for all these things our government borrows the money from the Federal Reserve Bank which creates that money out of thin air by monetizing existing debt.
It sort of like when you take out a loan to pay down a credit card.

Guess what? The Federal Reserve Bank is NOT a government agency. It is a privately-owned corporation, owned by only a select few. Now, they charge our government interest on money they created out of thin air creating something called infinite returns. Our government taxes us in order to make those interest payments.

So what we have is the 99% being taxed to enrich the top 1%… Not only that, but we also pay higher prices for things like groceries & gas due to the sheer amount of money being printed and pumped into the economy. So it’s a double-whammy where the poor, senior & middle class get hit the hardest.

So NO–we should NOT have to pay higher taxes on top of everything else. Besides, why do you think rich oligarchs like Warren Buffet call for higher taxes? Answer: Buffet owns a huge stake in Goldman Sachs which owns a share in the Federal Reserve. Get it yet???

If Buffet has his way and we all pay our “fair share” he gets his profits faster!

Mar 20, 2012 1:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
CurtissO wrote:

Remember your economics class boys and girls, cutting taxes INCREASES revenue. This is not just a tax break for the evil rich, it would create jobs and prosperity for us all.

But fear not, it will never pass with the Reid, Obama machine still in power, happily grinding our economy into the dust.

Mar 20, 2012 1:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mugzypayton wrote:

To think I live in a political world where $3.3T deficit is the more austere choice.

Mar 20, 2012 1:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Luke-John wrote:

@PowerWhip:

I suggest that you look at who is behind the Democratic party – Soros, Buffett, Resnick, Kaiser, Immelt, etc., etc. – There’s as much if not MORE “mega-wealthy” than on the other side.

Look at the Democrats themselves too – “MotherJones” recently reported that EIGHT-OUT-OF-TEN of the richest in Congress are Democrats.

Mar 20, 2012 2:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Yirmin wrote:

@mikemm,
You don’t throw them in prison you tell them to leave the country, let them go to Mexico or Canada, if a Mexican or Canadian wants to come to the US and can pay the yearly fee, let them in.

The end result will be two fold, 1 you get rid of the lazy bums sponging the system dry, and 2 you force congress to be responsible because no longer can they pass a bill that costs money without having to justify that cost to EVERY taxpayer because EVERY taxpayer would feel the burden… right now only half the people care about the burden the other half just take… The people like myself are tired of being used and abused, I fully expect to migrate out of the US if Obama is re-elected… lets see how long the country can last if no one that produces stays in the sinking ship.

Mar 20, 2012 2:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

The debt is the story, short of WWIII. Mr. Ryan is in the spotlight. If we listen to him the Republic can be saved, if we ignore him we are finished. If Obama wins in November, America, as we have know her is finished. The drive-by media is already attacking Mr. Ryan. God save the Republic and Mr. Ryan.

Mar 20, 2012 2:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

Everything the Republicans do is geared toward ending our democracy and setting up a plutocratic oligarchy. Hyperbole? Not hardly. The Republicans, and their wealthy backers, took a major step in accomplishing this with the Supreme Court’s Citizens United ruling, a decision that was supported ONLY by the 5 conservative justices who were appointed by Republican Presidents. The 4 justices who were appointed by Democratic Presidents made the right decisions, decisions intended to protect our democracy, to protect the voice of the people. Unfortunately, they were outvoted by corporate interests.

Now, thanks to Citizens United, the wealthy can donate as much of their wealth as they want toward getting their people elected, people who will look out for their best interests, oftentimes at the expense of everyone elses. In other words, they can buy the election if they want because 99% of us don’t have that kind of money to throw around, and the Republicans are acutely aware of this fact.

This is also why the Republicans are so anxious to shrink the size of government until, as Grover Norquist likes to put it, it’s small enough to drown in a bathtub. Without government the people, 99.9% of the American people, will have no say so in how our country is run. Corporations can run amuck without worrying about those annoying, revenue-interfering regulations. They’ll be able to sell us pills that don’t work; pollute our water; send us off to fight in foreign wars while they profit from those wars; cut their taxes to zero while cutting our healthcare, education, social security, law enforcement, etc. The Republicans represent a path to modern day feudalism and the death of our Republic. And they’ve already taken us a good part of the way.

Mar 20, 2012 2:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

@Agent_Meatball, So you stated a problem (not that I agree with your analysis, but for arguments sake), what is your solution? Let me guess ‘Abolish the Fed’? While I agree the FED does need reform, e.g more transparency, why would you want to get rid of an institution that was one of the main enablers of the greatest economic expansion in human history? That would be throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Mar 20, 2012 2:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

@those saying we just need to ‘cut spending’, I agree cutting spending is part of the solution, and increasing revenue is the other part of the solution. Anyone that thinks we can eliminate deficits by just cutting spending with out revenue increases and not throw our economy into recession/depression is delusional.

Why does the Ryan plan have no cuts to defense, to my knowledge?

Why does the Ryan plan not have revenue increases?

The answer to both questions is because the GOP wants to keep a bloated military and they want to get rid of ‘entitlement’ programs in favor of giving money to private industries (like private health insurers instead of medicare/caid) so their campaign/PAC donors can make more money off the people.

Mar 20, 2012 2:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Rachel13 wrote:

Hey all you whiners, jealously and envy is pretty pathetic. Work harder and stop sucking on the government tit. Then maybe you’ll actually become one of those “evil” rich you keep complaining about and realize that 40% tax is entirely NOT fair.

Mar 20, 2012 2:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

@USAPragmatist: Nothing I stated is untrue. Do we need a central bank? Probably not. It gives too much power to a select few. Take Greece for example… Greece is essentially in receivership under the custody of a central bank-appointed committee.

So basically, the former cradle of democracy is now an “asset” to be divided up by the central bankers of the EU. The people there are essentially committed to paying off a debt that can never be fully paid off.

So now tell me, how exactly does a central bank benefit society. And before you explain how wonderful our own “Fed” has been you might want to first think about how our dollar has lost more than 80% of its purchasing power since the Fed was chartered in the early 1900′s.

Mar 20, 2012 2:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
andersonm wrote:

Republicans are against socialism… unless of course it affects the base of their support, namely seniors. In that case they wouldn’t DARE think of privatization. As long as you are old and vote you can get 100% care regardless of your income on the backs of the young and stupid… Too young for Medicare? Just say you’re disabled… if you over about 50 they won’t ask too many questions.

Now you have plenty of time to attend political rallies where you can rally against “big government”… while at the same time you visit the doctor for free and your exercise consists of brisk walks to the mailbox for your federal check.

Mar 20, 2012 2:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
dogbyte wrote:

No what is irrational is to believe that somehow Government can run a healthy healthcare system. Name one thing besides the military where Government is efficient and successful. No, the latest information is that 20 Million people will lose their private health care under Obamacare. Furthermore, the CBA has estimated that this new wonderful plan will increase the cost to hire new employees by $6,500 per employee. Who the hell is going to hire under these circumstances? No, but will happen is that more and more people will be dumped off their private insurance and onto the government system. And predictably, less and less services will be available ending up in rationing and skyrocketing costs. And you can forget about R and D for new medicines. It will decimate the best healthcare system in the world. You guys are a bunch of fools to think otherwise!

Mar 20, 2012 3:00pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

@Agent_Meatball, so you did not answer the question….do you advocate ‘abolishing the FED’?

And I will tell you how a central bank has benefited society, the FED has helped allow the greatest economic expansion in human history, helping to pull people out of poverty and all the other benefits we get from a good economy, e.g. money to invest in future technology research and development.

Mar 20, 2012 3:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
cj_james wrote:

If you put a gun to my head and make me choose between the president’s LAUGHABLE, PATHETIC attempt to ratchet up spending and debt to 22 trillion within the next 5 years, and Paul Ryan’s plan, choosing Paul Ryan’s plan would be a no-brainer.

But honestly, it still borrows 3 trillion by the end of the decade… How about this, how about a budget that doesn’t borrow ANYMORE BLOODY MONEY. Thats the one that makes the most sense…. and Obama’s budget.. What a pathetic partisan hack. he should be arrested for child abuse for how much debt he wants to enslave our children and grandchildren with.

Mar 20, 2012 3:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Norwegianbear wrote:

We see the same discussion play out from California to Greece. The government is out of money, have or is about to run into constraints on borrowing more money to finance deficits, and the public, having become accustomed to electioneering lard, protest. This behavior is remaniscent of the kid throwing a temper tantrum and screaming in front of the candy counter. Ryan’s budget is not slicing and dicing, but has the courage to put the government and those who have chosen to depend on the government on a diet. It encourages greater production by encouraging money to be invested in the US rather than in South Korea, India and China. It sends budget control to the states instead of a being managed by a duplicate federal beurocracy. I don’t understand what so many of the people commenting here do not understand about being out of money, and throwing our industry out of the country by regulating and taxing their owners into becoming unprofitable. Why would you not want to take advantage of their money by getting a good job? Why envy someone’s wealth so much that it hurts you? In the face of whats happening throughout the world, why do so many Americans feel they are entitled to virtually everything.

Mar 20, 2012 3:15pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
yokozuna wrote:

TAX THE RICH….INDEED!! There is nothing more portable than a millionaire and his/her money. If we continue to travel down this “TAX THE RICH” road, there will be no “RICH” left in this country to tax. Has anyone ever been given a job by someone who is worse off than they are?

Mar 20, 2012 3:19pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Ah yes, the right-wing theory of economics: cutting investments in the middle class, the poor, infrastructure, education, and safety nets for our elderly and children will magically produce money in the pockets of everyone who votes republican.

the funny thing is, GOP voters believe this nonsense.

Mar 20, 2012 3:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
grich wrote:

I wonder what they want to do about the “some money is more equal than other money” law we have today? You know, the one where people who earn their living working for a paycheck pay one rate (25+%)and people who get their money from investments pay another rate (15%)? I guess all pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others, huh?

Works for me. I’m RICH! Suckers!!

Mar 20, 2012 3:43pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mikef2112 wrote:

So the Republicans are breaking their word again? Chalk me up as suprised…..

Mar 20, 2012 3:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BOOWAH wrote:

What part of “vouchers won’t work” does Paul Ryan not understand? Subsidizing the cost of insurance for seniors will be too expensive as the whole group is considered “high risk” by insurers! That’s why Medicare was developed in the first place! The Republicans hope that providing a fixed subsidy and walking away will solve the problem! It won’t! It will expand the ranks of the uninsured by tens of millions!

Mar 20, 2012 3:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MJMann wrote:

What world is Ryan living in? Ryan’s budget is a budget of aspiration. Why in the world would the GOP want to re-visit Medicare and Social Secuirty in an election year? Are they crazy? Of course this is the same GOP that decided to engage in a frenzied attack on women’s contraceptive health care. The GOP has become nothing more than a joke… a real joke. The AARP is getting ready to roast the GOP’s butts with new TV ads featuring the 50 million crowd. They might as well include my age bracket… the 50 to 65 crowd as well. I don’t buy this whole premium support plan that is to replace Medicare. It only benifits the health insurance industry. The Republicans are doing what they’ve always done… eliminate taxes on the wealthy and large corporations and eliminate all public programs. What a contrast Mr. Ryan has drawn… the Republican party is full of Scrooges.

Mar 20, 2012 3:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
beancube2101 wrote:

We better warn these crisis creator right wing extremists. If they dare to touch our social security program, we, the entire population of America, are going to up root Republican. Crisis creators want wars against us, we will all jump on them. Crisis creators want to cut us, we’ll cut them first in this election. Women are the majority of voters in this country. Crisis creators, you better watch out.

Mar 20, 2012 4:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
dbtkgrace wrote:

Paul Ryan’s small and less intrusive goverment budget proposal sounds good for the die-hard extreme conservative republicans. But wait a minute, did we not just go through one of the disastrous economic periods in our history due to the effects of similar type of budget proposals? Mainly as a result of Reagan inspired “trickle down, less intrusive government budget” and other similar bills?

For those of you out there who refuses to see the facts due to laziness, incompetence, religious belief, or simply just hate; I wish you all the luck especially the children living under your influence.

But for those of you regardless of party affiliations who want hard historical facts, here goes. And you can look these facts up yourselves.

Since the Reagan era, the gap between so called “middle class” and the “rich” has widened by hundred-fold. Simply put, what used to be middle class in this country has become “low class” and the simply “rich” has become the “super rich”. Under the similar conservative control white house since Reagan, the “hapiness index” for US citizens has fallen and is now below most Asian countries(Japan/South Korea, etc) and just above African third world countries.

But you want to go on voting based on your emotions? Hell, go ahead, it’s a free country after all>?

Mar 20, 2012 4:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
leafs43 wrote:

Paul Ryan is the future of the Republican Party. Determined and not afraid to put forth new ideas to help the US recover.

Mar 20, 2012 4:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
damnit wrote:

Typical Republican agenda. Once again balancing our budget off the backs of the poor people. Nothing new here!

Mar 20, 2012 4:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DR_JES wrote:

Oh, yeah, that will bring in the voters….from the 1%!!! Gut everything and give tax breaks to the super rich, sounds really fantastic….for the 1%!!! Time to Occupy the budget!

Mar 20, 2012 4:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Grant_X wrote:

Whenever I owe a large amount of money (like my mortgage) and my monthly bills are high (like my credit cards) I like to stay home from work about 5 times a month so that I can have less income and then really get behind on my payments.

That way I can convince myself that all of those luxuries I have (my cable, internet, phone, electricity, gas, home improvements, clothing, kids toys, health care and transportation) are unnecessary and are the true cause of my inability to pay my bills.

Because God forbid I actually think that I need to contribute more to work and increase my income so that I can get out of this hole…

Mar 20, 2012 4:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Grant_X wrote:

leafs43: What is new about cutting taxes for the rich, cutting programs for the poor, and expecting the working class to fund government?

Mar 20, 2012 4:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Dolmance wrote:

Every responsible economist, including every single one who’s won a Nobel Prize for excellence in their field (like Paul Krugman), is in agreement – the Republican’s prescriptions for the economy would be disastrous, while the President and the Democratic policies have been proven time and time again to be correct.

One does not cut spending in a Recession or a Depression. And despite what those ridiculous, morally challenged old people in the Tea Party might think, running a government is not like sitting in your kitchen doing your bills at the end of the month.

Mar 20, 2012 4:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
powerwhip wrote:

Vote Every republican out of Every Office Every chance you get. It’s the only way we’ll be able to stop the free ride that corporations and the mega wealthy are enjoying on the backs of the middle class. VOTE!

Mar 20, 2012 5:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
IndianaJames wrote:

@USAPragmatist “Our true choice is not between tax reduction, on the one hand, and the avoidance of large Federal deficits on the other. It is increasingly clear that no matter what party is in power, so long as our national security needs keep rising, an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits… In short, it is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now.”———–
John Fitzgerald Kennedy

Mar 20, 2012 5:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
4ngry4merican wrote:

“(Ryan)said Obama’s 2013 budget proposal would lead the country down a path of “debt and decline” and “more dependency on government.”"

Bush already led us down that path. The difference is, now that more people than ever are already dependent on government, Ryan and the Republicans want to take that support away from them.

Mar 20, 2012 6:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Ed57 wrote:

I don’t like the Democrat or Republican plans. Republicans: cut the top tax bracket improperly or rightly cut Medicaid. Democrats: Too much social spending on the poor, a large fraction of whom COULD work but are able to CHOOSE not to.
On balance, however, at least the Democrats will cut defense, or leave it about the same, For years it has been our largest expenditure and without the war-mongoring of the Bush years, we can do without it.

Mar 20, 2012 6:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BadWhisky wrote:

The GOP will not have to eliminate anything, look a greece, the economy will do the eliminating for us. As far as taxes, I see nothing fare about imposing a 25 or 35% tax on the upper 50% when the lower 50% pay nothing or next to nothing and yet can vote themselves more free stuff.

Mar 20, 2012 6:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
twndsrfr wrote:

All you critics heard anything from team marxism on a budget or how to fix social security or medicare? Didn’t think so what’s up with your team?

Mar 20, 2012 7:15pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ZINNIA25 wrote:

I can’t exactly figure out why Repubs are so determined to trim government? I understand the desire to trim National debt, but it shouldn’t be accomplished by gutting so many programs & services. Many cuts will increase unemployment by putting gov employees out of work. Where were these Repubs when GW was adding to the National debt by trillions? And can the Repubs really get their budget cuts through Congress where so many Congresspeople want to protect Federal spending in their districts? Hummmm…

Mar 20, 2012 7:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
gordo53 wrote:

This is not a serious proposal. It is political rhetoric. Every congressperson knows this. No significant spending cuts will occur this year and even if the Rs run the table in November, this plan will not be adopted. Because it is so difficult to attack our economic problems and remain politically viable, our political “leaders” have thrown in the towel. Nothing will be done until the economic disaster that many have predicted is upon us. The only driving wheel in US politics is the short term, self interest of those in power. Perhaps this will become more obvious as our economic train wreck materializes. There is precious little honor, courage or even decency on the current political scene.

Mar 20, 2012 7:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TIREDINPHILLY wrote:

Certainly, a decade of unfunded war and reducing taxes for the wealthy and corporations did the national debt a great service of bloating it to fifteen trillion. The really smart investors and wealthy folks of this country built what we have under oppresive 60% marginal rates. The current crop of “investors” simply want to confiscate the Social Security Trust Fund and rule the world from their summer and winter homes. Bring back real progressive taxation.

Mar 20, 2012 7:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Onerioi wrote:

“The Ryan plan would shrink deficits to $3.13 trillion over 10 years – …. It would dismantle Obama’s 2010 healthcare reform law and make deep cuts to federal employee pensions and to social programs such as food stamps and the Medicaid health care program for the poor.” MEANTIME – It would continue to send billions of tax breaks and perks to the billlionaire “job creating” CEOs and their VPs. (They do create jobs, just not here in the US.)

Mar 20, 2012 7:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Onerioi wrote:

MichPositive wrote: “The Ayn Rand agenda marches forward.” Wrong – if you read Ayn Rand you would know that she didn’t believe that the government should doling out billions in corporate welfare. The super-rich have purchased the best government money can buy, and it’s a big one. Our corporate press keeps telling us that GOP voters think Romney is the candidate most likely to beat Obama.” That’s funny. Romney is the candidate most LIKE Obama. We’re getting distracted. The last thing Barack Obama did in 2011 was sign a bill that eliminates due process for anyone suspected of terrorism in America. Did we wake up in Stalin’s Russia in 2012? Which of the candidates would never have signed that bill? We need someone in office who will take our country back to where it should be, guided by the principles of the constitution. Not people who are taking our tax dollars to build empires. If you’re a conservative, vote for Ron Paul. He’s the only GOP candidate who really stands for lower taxes and less government. The rest are paying lip service to get elected. If you’re a liberal, like myself, vote for Ron Paul. He’s the only one who really would get us out of all of the insane foreign entanglements, and keep the government in check when it comes to our civil liberties. I’m a liberal for liberty! It’s time we vote our conscious, instead of voting for “my guy who is the only one who stands a chance of beating your guy.” Ron Paul 2012!

Mar 20, 2012 7:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Izee wrote:

There will never be an end of the geriatric parasites because no politician has the courage to tell them what scum they really are to their thieving faces. Let the greed of the wrinkled old pill-addicts destroy our economy once and for all. Maybe after an economic collapse kills off the ungrateful and useless fossils we can get back to the hardworking, self-reliant, moral society the founders intended instead of this miserable slavery for the sake of the power-hungry elites and grasping old woodticks.

Mar 20, 2012 7:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
varun.mitroo wrote:

Paul Ryan is right – we as a country cannot spend our way out of this mess. Where will we be next year if Obama gets re-elected and burns through another 6 trillion dollars of debt?

Obama does not take the national debt seriously. He called it “nickel and dime” in a quote last year. This is a very serious matter for all of us, liberal or conservative, to consider.

By de-valuing the dollar as much as is happening, we are in tremendous danger of losing all that we have worked and saved for our whole lives. Retirement, house, savings, everything would be worth much less.

Meanwhile, government has grown dramatically, now using up 25% of GDP, with further growth on the horizon. Do we really want this as a country?

Obamacare will now cost 2 trillion dollars within the next 10 years, and does nothing to control the true reasons for rising healthcare costs, including defensive medicine and utilization. Obama and Pelosi/Reed lied to us to get the bill passed, knowing it would be very expensive. It was never about controlling costs, it was just about CONTROL.

It is vitally important for everyone to think about these basic points with both eyes open. Do we really want to live with that much government regulation and involvement in our lives? Obama wants a “more active, involved government”. Really?? In the USA?

Balance between the liberal and conservative values will be important to keep our country balanced. However, these core problems are the 800 pound gorilla in the room that just cannot be ignored.

I commend Paul Ryan for at least trying to bring up the conversation again.

Mar 20, 2012 8:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
NChurchill wrote:

Winston Churchill once said that “A country trying to tax and spend its way out of recession is like a man standing in a bucket trying to pull himself up by the handle.”

Mar 20, 2012 8:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Wow..look at the Liberal spin going on here!

Yes, we’re soooo much better off with BO and the Dems driving us into debt oblivion.
It’s amazing how many of you Liberal spin doctors and liars have forgotten the mid-term “shellacking” (in your dear leader’s own words).
And yet, you seem to think things are so much better in the last year that people are going to change and vote for Dems this time.
Spare us, you are so disconnected from reality it’s laughable.

Reality is this, so cry all you want to.
99.9999% of people voting this year will never see your post.
They will see the price at the pump and the cost of food.
They will know people who are unemployed.
All of your spin won’t change that.
And yet you think BO is going to win.
Wow.

Mar 20, 2012 8:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
sengssk wrote:

Even the Ryan budget is delaying the inevitable. An unstoppable force is about to hit an immovable object. Too many rent-seekers, cronies and transfer payment recipients have an interest in maintaining the status quo for as long as possible. In short, REFORM IS IMPOSSIBLE. “Bending the cost curve” is IMPOSSIBLE. Individual, corporate and institutional investors should prepare for another debt ceiling battle soon. Once default and state bankruptcy starts, not only with unions be broken, so will the guilds for physicians, nurses, lawyers and many other professions as well as oligopolies in pharmaceuticals, education, insurance and especially finance. There will be no one in the IMF or the charter cities to lobby to protect your corner of the market. The states that produce oil, gas, coal, timber and agricultural products get to export them to other nations with hard currency. The states that produce only lawsuits, demonstrations and groupon deals will only be able to export cheap labor. And that’s the optimistic outlook. The pessimistic one resembles that of the Balkans circa 1990s.

Mar 20, 2012 8:49pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
HSThompson wrote:

RYAN FOR PRESIDENT!

Mar 20, 2012 9:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
spolly123 wrote:

So the Democrats would add $6 trillion to the national debt over 10 years, and the Republicans would…only add $3 trillion? Are these really the best options our elected officials can come up with? Does this seem extremely messed up to anyone else? When you get down to it, the 2 parties really aren’t that different from each other at all. They both take tons of money from the same groups and ultimately push the same policies down the peoples’ throats.

It’s time Americans seriously consider voting for a someone other than a Democrat or Republican. We need a serious third party candidate.

Mar 20, 2012 10:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
coma44 wrote:

There should be only one tax bracket we are all the same under the law so we shouls all pay the same percent.

But then again the Liberals would hate to miss out on the “Revenue”. It is theft not “Revenue” folks.

Mar 21, 2012 8:10am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Ramus_Trivius wrote:

Acquiring revenue through ‘taxation’ in America

If you have ever felt that something was very out of place, ethically, and perhaps even individually disheartening about being forced to surrender vast sums of your hard earned (sustenance-based) remuneration to the federal government in the form of ‘income taxes’ year, after year, after year, simply because you have opted to be an active and productive member of society, by way of your efforts in earning a common livelihood -and as well as to all of those interested tax-buffs out there; attached is a newly revised and freely distributable circular entitled the “Crux on Federal ‘Taxation’” (CFT).

The CFT is intended to serve as a primer for individuals to develop a learned understanding of and renewed appreciation toward our rapidly fading American heritage and birthright.

The CFT, as well serves to provide -you- the reader with enlightening contextual truth in regard to the federal governments actual powers of taxation. The CFT is available for your consumption at: http://www.iwarrior.defendindependence.us/download/file.php?id=91

Thank you.

Please, be sure to consider voting for Representative Ron Paul, MD (R-TX) in 2012.

Mar 21, 2012 8:11am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Landowner1 wrote:

OK folks I get the comments for the most part. Still I believe with all my heart that we can cut spending first and foremost and then talk about tax increases and removing SS and the like that people have paid into. Here is a link that explains reducing the 1.2 T from that discussion in congress. Amazing that it takes a gameshow host to find a measely 1.2 T to cut over 10 years! My point? Do you really think he found the ONLY wasteful programs to cut? REALLY?

http://www.youtube.com/v/KV-RqPtT2PU?version=3&feature=player_embedded

Mar 21, 2012 9:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jabusse wrote:

Since when is shoopping around something older folks don’t do? My experience is that the elderly are better shoppers than any other age group. They have the knowledge, the appreciation for what things cost and they have the time. Those who don’t think the elderly are smart are either stupid or those using the elderly as tools for more government funding. What medicare beneficiaries need is more options and competition. Hospitals might lower their prices if they had to compete. Right now it is a racket; Just like the school systems where management is overcompensated for being able to scam more tax dollars rather than run an efficient operation.
55% of the american famlies don’t pay income tax and only 10% are not employed. No tax, no vote makes sense to me. If one doesn’t file or gets more back than they paid, no vote. The old addage of beggers can’t be choosers is true. In our system it means that those on the dole can vote themselves a raise. Those who work for government should only get 1/2 vote for the same reason and they pay their tax with our money anyway. It is kind of like the box top lottary that can’t be won by an employee. It might be fairer if there was no income tax only a tax on any item sold, grown, or imported. Lower income usually consume less and would pay less. The problem is apparent. In California only 150,000 new taxpayers over the last 10 years to support over 10,000,000 new “immigrants” over the same period.

Mar 21, 2012 10:09am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jrboss wrote:

“the Democratic president’s approach to solving the nation’s long-term problems” … does he have one? Taxing the Rich, Government Spending, and more entitlements for the unproductive doesn’t really sound like a plan to solve long-term problems. His only plan is to get re-elected.
1)Tax the rich – only drives the rich to better protect their money or leave the U.S. … eroding our tax base in the long term
2)Government Spending – like the starter on a car, can get the economy going in some instances, but we’ve been cranking it for two years with no luck, it’s time to try push starting
3)The safety net for the unproductive only provides more incentives to be unproductive

Without production the US will wither … I don’t see Obama in any way encouraging production.

Mar 21, 2012 10:35am EDT  --  Report as abuse
fromthecenter wrote:

Are any of you people yakking about medicare sick and elderly? Have you had to visit a hospital or buy medicine lately. I doubt it. While it is obvious that we have to pare the costs of medicare, it is also obvious that this program Ryan is spouting will only cause hardship on millions upon millions of elderly and sick. I suppose all of you that are chirping also think that our healtcare system is ‘the best in the world’. We need to fix healthcare before we can fix anything. Just throwing millions of people off of it is not a solution.

Mar 21, 2012 12:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
fromthecenter wrote:

@Jrboss…. You are aware that corporations through tax breaks pay little to no taxes right. And all the time that the bush tax cuts were in effect the so called job creators have been ruling over the biggest exodus of outsourcing that any country has every seen. So, please tell me how your right wing philosophy will change any of that? Perhaps some more deregulation in our financial sector? To say that obama’s policies aren’t working is just not correct. To say, that starting wars and lowering taxes and deregulation had more of an impact on the current crisis is.

Mar 21, 2012 5:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
LouannO wrote:

They need to cut their overhead first. They ALL need to take large pay cuts, including paying more towards their health care, and retirement. They also need to cut out ALL their perks.

Mar 21, 2012 7:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
RangerDan wrote:

Great, blow 11 trillion on two simultaneous wars and a bloated tax cut (entitlement) for the uber rich, all unfunded. Now, try to pay for it by cutting social security, medicare, education, infrastructure repair, women’s issues funding. Oh, and tack on another $150k tax cut for the sickeningly rich. It’s ironic that the more the republicans cut education funding the more republicans are created. What does that tell ya!

Mar 22, 2012 1:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ProfMagyar wrote:

Amazing…..I vote that only credible information be posted supported by non-partisan research. A flat tax and a consumption tax are both regressive (meaning bad for a majority of people). Corporate taxes must be simplified and lowered (this means that more revenue will come in, less money is wasted on dodging taxes, and the US becomes more attractive for companies). Medicare is not the problem, in fact Medicare is more efficient than a vast majority of health insurance plans in this country. The problem is how health care is administered in this country. Until this last issue is figured out, health care will continue to consume an ever larger share of the economy. None of these items need be republican or democrat but rather common sense…..of course we could go back to discussing how evolution is false and that any woman who dare ask for contraceptives must be a whore (just don’t mention fossils that are millions of years old or that 99% of women in the US will at some point in their lives use some form of birth control).

Mar 23, 2012 5:23am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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