Wind farms may have warming effect: research

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thisoldman wrote:

The title of this article and its content don’t jibe: Global warming is not local warming, and local warming is neither as dangerous nor as difficult to reverse.

Apr 29, 2012 7:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Pretty soon the vibration from the turbines will be causing impotence and cancer in nearby cattle. This study is nonsense.

Apr 30, 2012 5:04am EDT  --  Report as abuse
kayvman wrote:

In fact, as the layers of air are circulated at night and warm air is brought to ground level, guess what happens? The warm air is cooled by the ground, removing heat from the atmosphere. It doesn’t take a thermodynamics physicist to figure this out. What a lame article!!!

Apr 30, 2012 7:43am EDT  --  Report as abuse
kayvman wrote:

In fact, as the layers of air are circulated at night and warm air is brought to ground level, guess what happens? The warm air is cooled by the ground, removing heat from the atmosphere. It doesn’t take a thermodynamics physicist to figure this out. What a lame article!!!

Apr 30, 2012 7:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
DandyStryker wrote:

The research shows that wind farms cause local warming by the way they mix warmer air, up high, with colder air, down low. They don’t contribute to “global warming.” Their effect is local, not global, and it doesn’t contribute to a rise in global temperature, either.

The reporting on this paper has been abysmal, and illustrates what happens when we have beautiful people with straight teeth and nice hair, but no brains, reporting on scientific issues. The worst part is that it brings out all the right-wing hillbillies who think this study validates their idiotic denials of man-made global warming that’s being caused by emissions of CO2.

Apr 30, 2012 9:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
LaurenAWEA wrote:

This “new study” of the effect of local air mixing at the site of a wind farm says nothing about wind energy and global climate, and casts no doubt on all the other studies that find wind power is one of the best ways to address climate change. Local air mixing has nothing to do with climate, because no heat or heat-trapping gases are being added to the atmosphere.

To clarify the facts:

-Wind plants do not contribute to climate change, and in fact they are one of the leading technologies preventing climate change by avoiding fossil fuel use and the emission of greenhouse gases
-All studies have found that any impact wind plants may have on local weather is trivially small.

Read our full fact check on the Into the Wind Blog at http://bit.ly/IlEg8t

Apr 30, 2012 3:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
LaurenAWEA wrote:

This “new study” of the effect of local air mixing at the site of a wind farm says nothing about wind energy and global climate, and casts no doubt on all the other studies that find wind power is one of the best ways to address climate change. Local air mixing has nothing to do with climate, because no heat or heat-trapping gases are being added to the atmosphere.

To clarify the facts:

-Wind plants do not contribute to climate change, and in fact they are one of the leading technologies preventing climate change by avoiding fossil fuel use and the emission of greenhouse gases
-All studies have found that any impact wind plants may have on local weather is trivially small.

Read our full fact check on the Into the Wind Blog at http://bit.ly/IlEg8t

Apr 30, 2012 3:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JayAWEA wrote:

The American Wind Energy Association has a statement out on this today that makes it clear that this study says nothing about wind energy and global climate, and that it casts no doubt on all the other studies that find wind power is one of the best ways to address climate change.

This study merely examined the effect of local air mixing at the site of a wind farm, which has nothing to do with climate because no heat or heat-trapping gases are being added to the atmosphere: http://awea.org/newsroom/pressreleases/120430temperature.cfm
For further analysis on how misreporting has twisted these study findings, see AWEA’s blog, Into the Wind, by Michael Goggin, titled “Fact check: Flawed science journalism on wind energy”:
http://awea.org/blog/index.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1699=16162

Apr 30, 2012 5:02pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
wirwb wrote:

Warming is warming and cooling is cooling. The fact remains that the studies are showing a warming. Whether it is global or local then it is not good for the local people and should be just as concerning. If you are truly concerned about warming or about local hinderance then these studies should be welcomed.

May 01, 2012 3:28am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Junifer wrote:

Jay and Lauren, Are your claims from the studies with the pre-determined outcomes, funded by the AWEA, as outlined in the AWEA plan to influence Congress posted here:
www.coalitionforsensiblesiting? Or is this the straw argument you use at your political fundraisers for Congressional leaders, also outlined in the document posted at the above address. It’s becoming fairly common knowledge that wind turbines produce energy that can’t be used, stored or sold and that they do nothing, absolutey nothing, to address global warming. The clear-cutting of trees to install these useless monolith’s increases global warming. James Loveland, the inspiration for the Al Gore Global Warming nonsense has recanted and recently said Europe’s embrace of wind turbines will be seen as the greatest folly in human history because of the adverse environmental impacts. Check out NASA for real-world data on global warming instead of following the UN computer modeling. Stop this nonsense. For readers, take a look at the Plan drafted for people like Jay and Lauren. Apparently the Koch Brothers are not the only ones buying Congress.

May 02, 2012 9:39am EDT  --  Report as abuse
pwardell wrote:

why is it that most sudo-intellectuals don’t know how these turbines work. They don’t operate like your table top circulating fan. They don’t SUCK warm air into them. They don’t SUCK wayward birds into them. They barely disturb the air that flows through them. More than likely the warming is attributed to the road-bed that is constructed to access them for construction and servicing. The grass is removed and replaced with a gravel surface allowing the ground to be heated more effectivly.

May 03, 2012 9:13am EDT  --  Report as abuse

Try presenting the temperature data in an unbiased manner. Using the data from NASA, the U.K. Met office, and NOAA, the following temperature results are based on NASA/GISS data going back to 1880:
-The trend of annual mean temperatures since 1880 is warming of 0.59 degrees Celsius per century.Not 0.8 deg C as you over stated!
-The trend over the last nine years (since 2002) is one of cooling.
There has been no statistically significant (at 95% confidence level) warming in 14 years (since 1997).

-March 2012 was the coolest March in 13 years (since 1999).
Similar observations can be drawn from Hadley Center data from the U.K., which goes back to 1850:
-The trend of annual mean temperatures since 1850 is warming of 0.45 deg. C per century.
-The trend over the last 13 years (since 1998) is one of cooling.
There has been no statistically significant warming in 16 years (since 1995). 0.2 deg C per decade warming since 1979 appears to be wrong!
See this article: Global Warming Melts Away By Randall Hove

May 03, 2012 10:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
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