Most Americans oppose health law but like provisions

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SirAlex wrote:

In other words, Americans like the benefits, except for the costs?

Jun 24, 2012 10:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Eugene31 wrote:

Most Americans also like to eat, but don’t like the idea of food. Wow! This headline shows how the right-wing won this PR battle hands-down. Maybe this summer if and when the Supreme Court shoots down the ACA, and then voters wake up to what they have lost when they were asleep, there will be a demand to (a) get a sensible Supreme Court and (b) either reinstate ACA or move on to something approaching single payer.

Jun 24, 2012 10:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Welcome to the right wing media(murdoch’s empire) induced psychotic myopia. I like it for it’s provisions, but I hate because THEY TOLD ME TO….when you see statistics like this, you know there is something very wrong with the American Electorate.

We have, as a nation, lost the ability of “critical thinking”. As in 2010, the American Electorate sent a lot of inexperienced and misguided politicians to DC, and with this type of Electorate, in 2012 it may become worse.

Jun 24, 2012 10:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
trader3355 wrote:

Well in general most Americans like getting something for nothing…

I guess Reuters is not really known for incisive journalism these days.

Jun 24, 2012 10:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

Eugene31: If only we were THAT smart. However, all the same propaganda forces that convinced Americans that “Obamacare” was bad in the first place will be cranking it out in full force after the Supremes make their call. The people won’t be upset with the Supreme Court or the Republican Party because they’ll be told to blame Obama. “Wow, my insurance rates went up. I heard on FOX News that this has been happening a lot since Obama and the Democrats passed Obamacare, even though the Supreme Court shot it down.” Or something to that effect.

I’m afraid this propaganda contagion isn’t going to change until a large segment of the American people get involved and start demanding the truth be told. We get nothing but BS, BS designed to increase certain people’s profits and to keep the Republican in control. This Presidential election will be determined on far more misinformation than accurate information, and that’s because the plutocrats want one of their own in the White House, Mitt Romney, but Romney can’t win if this election is determined by facts.

Jun 24, 2012 11:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
kafantaris wrote:

So you don’t like the individual mandate in the health care law.
Fine.
What would you replace it with?
Why do you think Newt Gingrich back in Hillary’s days was for it — after they had looked at everything else?
There was no way around it.
“The insurance mandate is socialism, plain and simple.”
If it’s socialism, you’d have to buy it from the government, which would also tell you what doctor or hospital to go to. But you can buy health insurance from anybody, and you can get treated by the doctor and hospital you want. What’s socialist about that?
“Can’t you see, the government is making us buy insurance. We have no choice in the matter.”
Do you have a choice not to get hurt, or not to get sick? Why then do you want a choice not to have insurance to pay for it when you do?
States in fact already have an individual mandate for car insurance, and they have been putting uninsured drivers in jail for years.
“That’s different. Driving is a privilege.”
Then free health care must be a right in your book. Maybe this idea came from hospitals continuing to treat the uninsured the last half century.
The tradeoff to us living in a civilized society is that we have to follow rules we don’t agree with. In return, we get great many things, including goods and services that otherwise would be unavailable. But, we still have to pay for them. The mandate makes sure that we do.
What’s wrong with that?

Jun 25, 2012 1:07am EDT  --  Report as abuse
KyuuAL wrote:

This shows that America’s Mental Health is poor

Jun 25, 2012 4:16am EDT  --  Report as abuse
blackconserv wrote:

How dumb ARE Americans?

Jun 25, 2012 6:17am EDT  --  Report as abuse
stambo2001 wrote:

The obamacare supporters just do not get it, they lack the mental capacity to understand that legislating in this manner is akin to outright fascism. It would be a law that FORCES you to give your money to a private corporation for, get this, ‘protection’.

Yeah, you might not get hurt, but then again you might not. Yeah, that’s it. You want a job buddy? Let’s see your CorpInsurCard? What, you only have green coverage? Too bad buddy, greens push brooms. That job is too ‘dangerous’ for greens but tell ya what, you save up and get yourself a Red Premium CorpInsurCard and we’ll open the door.

It will be yet another way to segregate the citizenry, a backdoor method of two, perhaps three tier medicine. Board members will get paid zillion dollar bonuses for running the insurance corporations while the citizens get the lowest level of service possible. How stupid are you people?

Jun 25, 2012 7:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse
explorer08 wrote:

It is so very typical of Americans to want something without having to pay for it. It’s the “gimme” society of the 21st century.

Jun 25, 2012 8:14am EDT  --  Report as abuse
IamBAD1 wrote:

It’s interesting to note that the Great Republican Pontus, Ronald Reagan, passed the greatest piece of socialized medicine this county has ever seen. Reagancare, also known as “The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act”, mandates that hospitals provide care regardless of a patient’s ability to pay. Unfortunately, Reagancare was an unfunded mandate that results in hospitals providing unpaid services and recovering those expenses from those who do pay. The Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured reported Reagancare cost more than $40 billion in 2004 alone. The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid estimated more than 50 percent of hospital emergency room visits are uncompensated. As health care costs rise, more rely on Reagancare, which results in still higher costs and additional Reagancare patients. This vicious cycle could continue until health care becomes unaffordable and everyone chooses to use Reagancare.

Jun 25, 2012 8:15am EDT  --  Report as abuse
explorer08 wrote:

@ stambo2001: Fascism? You have no idea what the word fascism means. Fascism is indicative of the far right, not the far left. Read some history, please. And you have the nerve to call others “stupid” ?

Jun 25, 2012 8:17am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Sensibility wrote:

One of the main reasons Obama is President today is because in 2008 he campaigned on health care reform WITHOUT an individual mandate. This was one of the biggest differences between Hillary and him. Obama even took out attack ads against Hillary, criticizing her for supporting a mandate. Then he became President and changed his mind. So in the 2008 campaign was he lying? Or was he just naive about what he could get through Congress.

Either way, it speaks volumes about the outright failure of Barack Obama. He spent a year and a half and immense political capital to put enough pressure on Congress to pass his signature law, which may yet be struck down as unconstitutional. Instead of focusing on the economy, immigration reform, education, or environmental justice, Obama gave us an unconstitutional law that no one likes. Over 70 percent of independent voters want the law overturned. Even the most progressive voters don’t like it because it doesn’t go far enough for them. What a waste of time and effort by the President.

Jun 25, 2012 8:27am EDT  --  Report as abuse
fritzk wrote:

thank you to commenters who understand that this is the result of LSM’s abject failure to provide for an informed electorate, LSM’s abject failure to shed light on the propogandizing from the right wing, LSM’s wanton contribution to the decline of this civilization.
education also seems to have failed us when roughly half the population is incapable of comparing and contrasting socialism and insurance and parenting seems to have failed us when that roughly half of the country chooses to goose-step around to the right wing media tune rather than learn anything. Which brings us back to LSM.

Jun 25, 2012 8:36am EDT  --  Report as abuse
RangerDan wrote:

This confirms it. Bravo to republicans for waging the most successful misinformation campaign in history. Most Americans like it if they read it but are against it overall. I am now convinced that America has collectively fallen on its head and can’t get up. We’re doomed.

Jun 25, 2012 9:14am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SanPa wrote:

Or perhaps people feel that by striking the mandate provision, we’ll be able to move on to other issues. Of course, that will leave EMTALA intact … and 25% of healthcare cost unaccounted for.

Jun 25, 2012 9:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
mjp1958 wrote:

Sir Alex,

You almost had it right. In other words, they love the health program, they — particularly selfish Republicans — just don’t like that Obama is the leader who came up with the idea, and refuse to give him credit for it.

Jun 25, 2012 10:11am EDT  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

Sensibility: You’ve been discredited. You’re “proof” that it’s Obama’s fault that Congress can’t pass comprehensive immigration reform is that in the Steve Jobs bio Jobs said that Obama told him he can’t get it done. I can’t believe that you would post something so pathetically inane in public and pretend it makes sense.

The US’s healthcare system is absurdly bloated and inefficient. It only makes sense to those few who are profiting handsomely from it. Unfortunately, those few are powerful enough to keep Congress from changing it. Obama did a great thing by tackling healthcare, and instead of our appreciation and our respect, Americans were taught, through propaganda, to hate Obama for doing it.

The first thing we need to do is to start an anti-propaganda campaign. Not only get the truth to the public, but to let the public know when they’ve been lied to and, whenever possible, where those lies originate from.

I’ll present here a new example of the propaganda. I received the following email this morning from a friend who has totally swallowed the rightwing’s propaganda Koolaid. Now they’re trying to tie Eric Holder to the Oklahoma City bombings. Judge for yourselves:

Eric Holder, current attorney general of the United States, managed an FBI operation that provided explosives to Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols just prior to the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995, according to official documents released during the ongoing investigation into government foreknowledge of the supposed terrorist attack.

According to the documentation provided in the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit brought against the Department of Justice by Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue, the Oklahoma City bombing had aspects of being an FBI sting operation that went out of control. Holder had authorized the FBI to provide explosives to Nichols and McVeigh, then lost track of both the explosives and their targets. McVeigh went on to detonate some of the explosives outside the federal building, an act that was designed to help anti-terrorism legislation pass Congress. But an additional case of explosives was unaccounted for.

After the bombing, when the FBI learned the location of the explosives, Holder reportedly sent emails to FBI agents ordering them to recover the explosives before they could be found by some other branch of the government. FBI agents failed to spot the additional, unexploded explosives during an initial search of Nichols’s home and offered to spare him the death penalty if he would help them recover them.

The case of explosives was, however, recovered by another law enforcement agency and was later determined to have the incriminating fingerprints of two FBI agents, as well as fingerprints of McVeigh and Nichols.

Shortly after the bombing, Kenneth Trentadue, a government informant, was murdered in his prison cell. His family has been pursuing legal action against the federal government ever since.

In 2001, in a bid to avoid a full release of documents, the Federal Bureau of Prisons paid a settlement of $1.1 million to several members of Trentadue’s family, but his brother refused to drop the investigation and filed a FOIA lawsuit for the missing documents. That suit has been ongoing in the Salt Lake City federal courthouse.

Jun 25, 2012 10:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ChangeWhat wrote:

Why not bailout the healthcare industry and give every American health insurance? I’d rather see the incredible taxes we pay in this country go back to its citizens. I think it would be much more effective than the bailouts private industry banks got from their political friends using our tax money, or sending it overseas where the money sent is really unaccounted for. Lets send a few more billion to other countries while we sit in a pile of ever growing debt. Lets continue to spread our “democracy” to other countries and run that $700 billion defense budget. Lets continue to feed the poor in other countries and forget about people in this country. Let the lawmakers continue to make “new” laws that attack the middle class and poor at the expense of greed, manipulation, and insanity. Let those banks I was talking about earlier and wall street give their multiple million dollar bonuses (our tax money)to their already rich employees while hundreds of millions of people suffer.

At explorer08: your goddamn right I want something for nothing in return for the abuse that millions of Americans have taken since Reagan kicked off capitalism to its fullest extent backed by the corporations. I’m tired of seeing what these political bimbos are doing to this country and the way they are attacking us. Most people are to blind to see because they run the daily rat race that has programmed for us by the top 1% in this country. It is a disgrace to be called an American nowadays, and you can thank republicans and democrats for that along with the almighty liberal jackasses.

I want the original Constitution back when this country was founded and the principals that it was based on. I want politicians to actually do their jobs they were elected for. I want corporations to be taxed heavily for their intrusion into American society. I want the almighty private medical industry to give back to every American because they are one of the biggest criminals of all. Money is power, but when the masses rise money and power are going to be irrelevant.

“A dogs gotta eat!”

Jun 25, 2012 11:15am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Global55 wrote:

Its easy to get Americans to hate almost anything. After all, they increasingly hate themselves, their lives, their jobs, their neighbors, their bodies, just about everything.

They are usually embarrassed to admit when they actually like something.

They let others do their thinking for them, they do no homework and they grow fatter, lazier and teeter on the knife edge of importance in the world.

Where else do people so regularly oppose things that are in their own best interest? Pathetic.

Jun 25, 2012 11:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
gAnton wrote:

The vast majority of the high cost deseases afflicting Americans are preventable, and the US government is not part of the solution, but a large and intergral part of a growing problem (e.g. following the USDA diet recommendations will put you on the road to sickness, bankruptcy, the hospital, and death). For example, autopsies performed on young children commonly reveal arterial plaques that eventually will develope into serious heart desease and death.

If you don’t know what I’m talking about, please get a copy of the book “The China Study” and read it. A number of other good books on the connection between diet and sickness (mainly diabetes, heart attacks, and cancer) are also available).

Jun 25, 2012 11:29am EDT  --  Report as abuse
RMoS wrote:

If the Supremes overturn the individual mandate, and Romney is elected, it’s pretty obvious that Repubs will do nothing about the growing number of people who rely on free emergency room care – for the simple reason that the GOP and its supporters prefer the status quo. (At most they may pass tort reform, which has done essentially nothing to change the costs of health care in the states that have adopted it.) Medicare and medicaid cuts will only exacerbate the situation. Soon, hospitals will simply begin closing their emergency rooms, and people will start regularly expiring as a result of long ambulance journeys.

The end result is that the entire health care system will gradually collapse … it might take five years, perhaps ten.

Eventually Americans will get fed up, and insist on joining the rest of the industrialized nations in the world. Quite likely they will demand a system that provides less power to the insurance companies, perhaps even single payer (although not single provider).

This poll suggests the GOP is about to win the battle, and on the verge of losing the war.

As Churchill aptly pointed out: we American can always be counted upon to do the right thing – after we’ve exhausted every other possiblity.

Jun 25, 2012 11:36am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SuefromSault wrote:

Yes indeed something for nothing is always better than paying your fair share. But it will take more than 5 years to have the health care system collapse with out the mandate – maybe 10 or more. (The kids in their 40s who oppose it now will have to pass 60 before they realize they cannot live forever.)

Jun 25, 2012 12:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mauiwelch wrote:

A Plant Based Diet is a Free Health Insurance Plan

Americans are not just becoming uninsured; they are staying that way. 26% of Americans aged 16 to 64 had no health insurance for part of 2011.

Nearly 50 million Americans had no health insurance in 2010.
1 out of 4 have no health insurance.

2 out of 3 will develop either; cancer, diabetes, or heart disease.
If I was uninsured, avoiding a chronic disease would be at the forefront of my priority list; not that it isn’t for the insured as well. Having a stroke or diabetes can be extremely detrimental to your ability to maintain employment; not to mention the costs associated with the disease.

By adopting a diet that has a very high degree of success in decreasing your chances of contracting a chronic disease you are in essence providing yourself with an Insurance Plan.

The groundbreaking book, The China Study, authored by Dr. T. Colin Campbell, reveals what can be described as a startling, yet wholly intuitive, relationship between nutrition and disease. Dr. Campbell found that a whole-foods, plant-based diet can not only lower your risk for certain diseases, it can reverse their progression.

The key of this nutritional dietary overhaul: avoiding meat, dairy and processed foods and oil of any kind.

Being uninsured is a terrible situation to be in but there are steps that can reduce your chances of being in a catastrophic situation.

Full Post: http://wholefed.org/2012/04/20/a-plant-based-diet-is-a-free-health-insurance-plan/

Ian Welch
www.wholefed.org

Jun 25, 2012 1:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
sad4ourfuture wrote:

I am continually saddened by the ignorance of so many Americans. KyuuAL, your comment “This shows that America’s Mental Health is poor!!” Did you ever watch the news bits that ask “people on the street” questions like who is our vice president? and where is Niagra Falls? Our education system has failed miserably!!! I am continually astonished when I speak to someone about a political or WORLD issue and they have no idea, nor do they care what I’m talking about! SCOTUS, you have and continue to contribute to a corrupt, money and power driven America! So sad that all or most Americans do not take the time or care about the FACTS!!! You all just keep your heads buried in the sand and watch as our once great country of America slowly disappears. There is no Obamacare!!! There IS The Affordable Care Act!!! Take time to read it!!! It originated in the REPUBLICAN party! The very obvious reason it has been misrepresented as OBAMACARE, is to try to discredit ANYTHING Pesident Obama does! PLEASE PEOPLE! GO ONLINE OR A LIBRARY AND READ1 THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT!!! I implore you to do that before deciding or commenting on it. By the way, It was Republicans that introduced the Individual Mandate!!! READ UP AMERICA! Are you really so lazy as not to become as educated as possible regarding your country? USA comes in #25 in math and science in the world’s developed countries. We do not rank well in other subjects either. Don’t we as a country want to be educated??? Also, everyone had better begin NOW to set the record straight on the facts. Fight back against the LIES put pout there by politicians and corrupt media. Democrats and Independents, PLEASE get the TRUE FACTS out there for EVERYONE TO SEE! Step up! Get the word out!!! PLEASE… shout the truth! Get motivated! Please do not let ROMNEY THE MONEY I have nothing against wealth. I am however very upset about the LIES!!! Can you tell???

Jun 25, 2012 1:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
fromthecenter wrote:

yes, keep your hands out of my healtcare and lets take our country back to the days when we get sick the insurance companies can terminate our insurance or if we are sick the insurance companies dont have to insure us or the millions that cannot afford healtcare do without or just visit the emergency room so the rest of us who are insured will cover the cost of emergency room visits which of course are the cheapest heathcare that money can buy! Yea, stay out of our heathcare!

Jun 25, 2012 2:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
LizR wrote:

Should the court uphold the Affordable Care Act, including the mandate? Of course it should. The law can be fixed where it falls short of our evolving needs, realizations, expectations. That is a typical process for omnibus legislation. This law affects almost 20% of the economy. Its implementation is underway. People generally approve of the provisions. Industries are rolling up sleves to take the next steps of the timetable. We FIX something like that if we don’t like how it looks to be working, we don’t throw it out and start over, particularly in the legislative climate in which we now find ourselves.

We Americans seem somewhat less capable of critical thinking today than were many of the 1960s ten-year-olds of my own recollection. On social issues we are now capable of acting crazier than loons. I love my country, but we are definitely the laughingstock of the planet when it comes to our penchant for getting hung up on hot-button ideological issues instead of compromising our way into simply stated, common-good legislation.

We are now apparently incapable of producing a law that looks more like a book report than a Christmas tree. One ornament for every implacably opposed but eventually convinced representative or senator, and one paragraph for every lawyer on K street.

Nonetheless, I believe the Congress ultimately acted in good faith with intent to create a constitutional law in the Affordable Care Act. I have hopes that at least two of the perhaps more traditional of the Court’s conservatives will find with the Democratic appointees in favor of upholding the mandate.

I commend all the sitting justices and their clerks for their service to the nation. I can understand some of the concerns of the states who brought challenge to the Affordable Care Act, although those issues can be repaired as time goes on.

However, I do chide the ideologues who have encouraged challenges to this law simply as a way of trying to undermine an historic legislative effort led by President Obama and accomplished, not without struggle, by a divided Congress.

It’s one thing to find fault with a law and it’s quite another to hate a President enough to try to bring down his signature accomplishment no matter what impact that overturn might have on the economy and the citizenry. We need to find a way to step aside from hating and get back to looking for more common ground. We all actually do better when we’re looking out for each other and for all of our kids. Hatred is not sustainable. It costs too much. A better investment is trying to find areas of natural cooperation. Health care seems well suited for it.

Jun 25, 2012 4:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
FreddEvil wrote:

Single payer. It’s the right thing, it’s the right time.
We’ll pay $50,000 to hunt down, arrest, try (and DEFEND), convict and imprison a pickpocket who tried to take $20 our of someone’s wallet, but when a citizen needs $20 for antibiotics so they DON’T DIE, our society tells them to pay up or die?
This isn’t the America I dreamed of when I was a kid, it’s a corporate nightmare come to life.

Jun 25, 2012 5:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
FreddEvil wrote:

“It will be yet another way to segregate the citizenry, a backdoor method of two, perhaps three tier medicine. Board members will get paid zillion dollar bonuses for running the insurance corporations while the citizens get the lowest level of service possible. How stupid are you people?”
Not as stupid as someone who doesn’t realize THIS IS ALREADY THE CASE!!

Jun 25, 2012 5:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Buelligan wrote:

In other words when told about how the law will help people on an individual basis they like it, but because of media rhetoric they still say they don’t like it. Thank you Fox News…you have proven that people will believe anything if you repeat it to them enough.

Jun 25, 2012 6:48pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Buelligan wrote:

I’ll bet if you survey most Americans with the question: Do you prefer Obamacare or the Affordable Care Act they would actually pick one…and republicans would always pick the ACA

Jun 25, 2012 7:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Jbornay wrote:

When will we get it… anyone without insurance is a freeloader on those of us with insurance! Sooner or later, they will need care and guess who will pay for it when they go bankrupt with bills from cancer, accident, or lol gun wound. “freedom” to freeload is all we have when we combine no mandate and the requirement that hospitals must provide care.

Jun 27, 2012 4:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Jbornay wrote:

Did you 70% of Americans in nursing homes are on Medicaid? Medicaid is the last resort federal program for low-income (poor) to provide medical care administered in each state with mostly federal dollars. Odd, are those 70% all liberals from liberal families? Ha, conservatives lough the trough when it serves them.

Jun 27, 2012 4:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
jnurse wrote:

requiring minimal health insurance is the same as needing car insurance to buy a car. why not a $5,000 deductible health insurance policy to cover hospitalizations???? if everyone paid something and/or their fair share instead of so many people paying nothing, our healthcare system would be in better shape. people without insurance need to stop using the ER for every minor illness!!!!!

Jun 27, 2012 5:00pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SalomonWisdom wrote:

We have seen the bait and switch game with little to any difference from the old snake oil salesmen of years past. Although I do not disagree with the SCOTUS with saying this is a tax, I would be 150% for severely punishing those who lied to get it done. November 2012.

Jul 01, 2012 6:15pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
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