Syrian forces fight rebels in Damascus, residents flee

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usagadfly wrote:

Make no mistake — this is a restart of the thousand year old war between Shi’ite Muslims and Sunni Muslims. Many will die. And without a doubt, American, Israeli and British hands have been supplying the Sunni rebels through Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Ironically, Al Qaeda is Sunni, and undoubtedly involved too.

This is certainly not part of the “Arab Spring”.

Jul 20, 2012 11:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

‘Baron von reuters’ was just banned for posting comments critical of reuters, this is how much respect these ‘journalists’ have for freedom of speech and information. I wonder why Syria has banned you from operating inside Syria… case in point – read this article!

They actually published the comments, accusing reuters of behaving like dictators themselves and pointing out that reuters was owned by the 17th richest man in the world, then banned the user.

I pointed this out on the last thread of comments, then immediately after all comments were deleted, so I am posting again to report this.

Reuters I again ask you:

Are you paying Syrian Islamist militant linked information networks for information, pictures, videos etc as news ‘sources’… and in doing so providing direct financial support to militant networks in Syria?

And again: Are you concerned that this money may end up being used to finance militant operations against the Syrian government and other sectarian targets inside Syria or be used to buy bombs and weapons for anti-government groups?

Jul 20, 2012 11:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
royalcourtier wrote:

Don’t forget that once Syria is freed of the Baath Party rule, it will still have to be freed from Israeli occupation.

Jul 20, 2012 11:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
owl905 wrote:

“Make no mistake — this is a restart of the thousand year old war between Shi’ite Muslims and Sunni Muslims.”

Through a religiously sensitized newbie western lens … sure. Maybe the Middle East would have had the same reaction about the violence in Northern Ireland.

But it isn’t. Or rather it’s about everything from religion to family feuds to governance to justice to tribal tensions. Anyone trying to focus on one dimension at the expense of all the others, just won’t get it.

Jul 20, 2012 12:11am EDT  --  Report as abuse
owl905 wrote:

“Make no mistake — this is a restart of the thousand year old war between Shi’ite Muslims and Sunni Muslims.”

Through a religiously sensitized newbie western lens … sure. Maybe the Middle East would have had the same reaction about the violence in Northern Ireland.

But it isn’t. Or rather it’s about everything from religion to family feuds to governance to justice to tribal tensions. Anyone trying to focus on one dimension at the expense of all the others, just won’t get it.

Jul 20, 2012 12:11am EDT  --  Report as abuse

owl905;

I noticed that you didn’t mention anything about Imperialism or CIA or media propaganda, or US/western agenda in your list… and you claim to ‘get it’?

To understand what you read, you must first understand who is writing it… fail!

Jul 20, 2012 12:31am EDT  --  Report as abuse
oxi wrote:

Can we get off the so-calle jihadist gains Reuters and Western press!

These jihadists dress in plain civilian clothes and drive civilian vehicles, it is quite easy for them to enter Damascus, so your so-called surge is greatly exagerated…

Now that Syria’s armed forces have located their neighborhood cells, they are pounding them one by one, it will not take long before the opposition jihadist’s retreat or be crushed…

Then on to the border posts to retake, these jihadist’s act like Libya’s jihadist’s, they really suck when confronted by trained military soldiers and they melt like ice cream on a hot day…

HAHAHA, no NATO air cover so only a matter of time before the jihadist’s crumble and fall apart!

Jul 21, 2012 1:14am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SeniorMoment wrote:

Clearly the helicopters are just as the ones the Russians were refurbishing for Syria and for which they claimed would only be used for external defense of Syria.

Jul 21, 2012 1:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
owl905 wrote:

“…you didn’t mention anything about Imperialism or CIA or media propaganda, or US/western agenda in your list…”

The seance-fiction works were from BVR, RIP.

Jul 21, 2012 1:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SeniorMoment wrote:

The West should meet and take limited action together without Russia and China before all of Europe is overwhelmed with political refugees.

Jul 21, 2012 1:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
owl905 wrote:

“Clearly the helicopters are just as the ones the Russians were refurbishing for Syria ”

Those three helicopters still haven’t been delivered, and still keep making the headlines:

Clearly the helicopters are just as the ones the Russians were refurbishing for Syria

Russia has delayed sending them … again … but this time it’s voluntary.

If ya need the latest rumor to run with … the banks in Damascus have run out of money.

Jul 21, 2012 2:13am EDT  --  Report as abuse

owl905;

“The seance-fiction works were from BVR, RIP” – Don’t even know what you’re talking about buddy… but I’m glad you ‘get it’ =)

SeniorMoment;

Political refugees from where? Syria is a small nation of 23 million people… who if anything would seek asylum in neighboring arab countries not europe.

The calibre of comments here is not too impressive…

Jul 21, 2012 3:03am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Slammy wrote:

prayers to the Syrians

Jul 21, 2012 3:39am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Binary wrote:

Then pendingapproval wrote:

“‘Baron von reuters’ was just banned for posting comments critical of reuters…”

Really? Wow. That is a pity. I enjoyed proving him wrong here – he was such an easy mark.

Guess it goes to show that “freedom of speech” is not equal to “make up any old thing you like”. Let’s hope the good Baron had learnt a lesson.

Still, I guess it is only a matter of time before he’ll pop up again under a different moniker. Of course, he’d have to be careful not to reveal too much of a link with his old self – so it is not likely that he’ll own up. But it should be reasonably straightforward to detect him by his style and content. All we need to do is look for that “new user” who keeps on mouthing off about Reuters and lynching the facts, and ad hominem attacks against other contributors. A leopard cannot change its spots.

Please pass my best wishes onto the baron, will you.

Jul 21, 2012 4:14am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Binary wrote:

And then usagadfly could no longer contain himself:

“And without a doubt, American, Israeli and British hands have been supplying the Sunni rebels through Saudi Arabia and Qatar.”

Without a doubt gadfly? Really? Do you have evidence of this? Reliable hard facts (not the usual drivel we see from the pro-clan)? That is the very least I’d expect before I would personally claim “that there is no doubt.” Or is your standard for the truth just that much lower?

“Ironically, Al Qaeda is Sunni, and undoubtedly involved too.”

Of course AQ is Sunni. Osama bin Laden even had a nose and two eyes, ears and a mouth. It is scary how much like us they are, isn’t it? But are they involved? Have you spoken with one (or two or three) members of AQ in the Syrian rebel movement? Undoubtedly you must have since you have no doubt about their involvement. Undoubtedly you have recordings of those interviews and photos too. Would you mind terribly posting a link to such irrefutable proof… I still have doubt – enormous doubt – and I would like to settle that.

Jul 21, 2012 4:34am EDT  --  Report as abuse
kenradke11 wrote:

Russia is totally the blame for all this mess including China and they will have their regrets. Damascus will be liberated! Go Free Syrian army..Take Damascus! Take your justice and get Assad! Power to the Syrian people and a curse on Russia and China! They will pay!

Jul 21, 2012 5:53am EDT  --  Report as abuse
oxi wrote:

@kenradke11,

Russia/China to blame? Sounds like someone is a Western sympathsizer!

Russia/China are not the ones funneling weapons to the jihadists, that would be the CIA and other Western backed sources including the evil Saudi’s and Qatar…

Want proof? Just look at the cover photo for this article. Since when is English the language of the Syrians?

When you see English signs in the Middle East, it’s a CIA operation cut dry and simple!

I say NO to another Libya style intervention by the war mongoring West!

Jul 21, 2012 6:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
oxi wrote:

@SeniorMoment,

“The West should meet and take limited action together without Russia and China before all of Europe is overwhelmed with political refugees.”

Good luck with that bud!

A Russian fleet of warships stands in the way backed by the largest nuclear fleet in the world. Nobody including law-breaking NATO will not dare confront the Russians. Just ask Turkey how their RF-4 is doing at the bottom of the sea about that…

If you do not want the influx of refugees, simple, contact the West and tell them to STOP arming the jihadists and giving them support through special forces. The violence will stop as soon as these jihadists stop firing at Syrian military vehicles. The Syrian military has an obligation to protect the state from intruders and these jihadists are the intruders!

Jul 21, 2012 6:53am EDT  --  Report as abuse

Oh dear- looks like it a little late to start appeals to the west- Assad declared he was going to use an iron fist- looks like thats not a great success.

He should have gone peacefully when he could. He could be a millionaire in exile. He chose to stay- he ordered the clampdowns and repression- Now he will get to see if that was a winning strategy..

Jul 21, 2012 7:09am EDT  --  Report as abuse
rationalgordo wrote:

Great is pendingapproval is the new BaronVonReuter, who was the new Austell….

Jul 21, 2012 10:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
MetalHead8 wrote:

@Pendingapproval -Well im assuming you are BaronvonRueters since theres no other way you can know he was banned.

“‘Baron von reuters’ was just banned for posting comments critical of reuters, this is how much respect these ‘journalists’ have for freedom of speech and information.”

and your off to a great start getting another account banned. It’s hypocritcal of you to bash rueters today for not being respectful to you, yet you haven’t shown them an ounce of respect. And yet you wonder why you were banned.

Jul 21, 2012 10:28am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Binary wrote:

And then oxi found a voice:

“When you see English signs in the Middle East, it’s a CIA operation cut dry and simple!”

Absolutely… I agree with you. Middle Eastern folk are way too stupid to learn English. In fact, I think you are too gentle. Whenever you see any sign in the Middle East, (irrespective of the language), it’s a CIA operation. Middle Eastern folk are too stupid to read or write too.

Jul 21, 2012 11:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Slammy wrote:

@Oxi
“only a matter of time before the jihadist’s crumble and fall apart!
You would think, right?

“contact the West and tell them to STOP arming the jihadists and giving them support through special forces”
Ok, sure. Then what? Saudi Arabia, Qatar and UAE seem be the financial sources. The weapons the themselves are Russian and Chinese made. Syria shares many of the same tribes with these countries and relations through marriages. I doubt the weapons need to travel through the United States on their way to Syria. So… exactly where is the United States in the distribution chain?

“Since when is English the language of the Syrians?”
Maybe after their web site and country stops releasing news? Did you hear all but two their entire internet domain system went down last night and the two that didn’t were in India? They hit a kill switch.

@The Syrian military has an obligation to protect the state from intruders and these jihadists are the intruders!

Yes, they do. I am not too impressed with their implementation of that duty yet. The latest rumors are that the army is about to protect their fellow country men with chemical weapons. Which, might, lead to a chemical weapon response of some type. Perhaps with fewer Syrians the army’s job will be easier.

The past two days have been the most violent and bloody in the conflict to date. Which falls on the start of Ramadan. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

Btw, my last count of defecting Generals is 28.

Go Sunni!

Jul 21, 2012 12:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

Hope story about Syrian victims in al-Midan

http://208.43.232.81/eng/21/2012/07/21/432662.htm

Jul 21, 2012 12:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
owl905 wrote:

Damascus is still paralyzed, and two districts of Aleppo have opened a new front. But the big news is the refugee crisis. The UN is trying to raise $200million for refugee support, and it’s only raised $50million.

The ugliest face a civil war can bring will be if Damascus, Daraa, Homs, Hama, and Aleppo become too unsafe to stay. The 100k refugee number will swell to 5x that number … and there’s simply no structure to get them shelter, water, and food.

Jul 21, 2012 12:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
usa.wi.vet.4q wrote:

Is Assad history yet?

Jul 21, 2012 1:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
neahkahnie wrote:

@Binary: Yes, and the British in WWII in Malaya and at Singapore thought that the Japanese couldn’t fly airplanes because they were too near-sighted and not very intelligent. They thought that the Germans were flying their planes.
Don’t ever underestimate any humans, anywhere. If you are in doubt about this hypothesis, read Sun Tzu “ON WAR.” Read the history of Saladin against the Crusaders.

Jul 21, 2012 1:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger!

Jul 21, 2012 1:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

PsyOp alert!!!

http://www.voltairenet.org/NATO-PsyOp-Against-Syria-Imminent

Jul 21, 2012 1:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

English is simply not spoken in Syria if you didn’t know. People there are proud to speak arabic and french. Any poster in English is highly suspicious.

Jul 21, 2012 2:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Binary wrote:

Dear Neahkahnie,

Why I get the impression that you do not subscribe to oxi’s monochromatic world view of Middle Eastern intellectual inferiority and the influence of the nefarious CIA behind everything in his life that goes wrong?

Relax neahkahnie… I’m on your side. As for Sun Tzu, I reference his “The Art of War” regularly in my own work, along with Carl von Clausewitz’ “On War”. I own multiple translations of both works.

@Fromkin: yes, of course. Please continue to rip some sort of proof of chicanery from this english word. Geez, what is it with you guys? The history of the Middle East is replete with instances of wild accusations lobbed against the West whenever something does not go to plan. To wit, consider FM Amer and President Nasser’s accusations that the Egyptian air force was destroyed by American and British war planes (in the opening hours of Day One of the Six Days War). From where?

Shakes head in disbelief.

Jul 21, 2012 2:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Thats not true at all- plenty of Syrians speak english- a few also speak russian.
Syrians are well educated.

Jul 21, 2012 2:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

There are plenty of Syrians who worked and studied overseas/ Nor all of them are fans of Assad.

Jul 21, 2012 2:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

Rebel/islamic militants/bomb farmers/ are going hungry and growing hopeless. They are said to be looting Turkish truck drivers for food and cash. In Turkey, mind you, not in Syria. Murphy’s law:if anything can go wrong,it will.

Jul 21, 2012 2:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Even Assad speaks english- so does his wife…

Jul 21, 2012 2:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MetalHead8 wrote:

@ Assads_a_cretin “There are plenty of Syrians who worked and studied overseas/ Nor all of them are fans of Assad”

Pround to have be-friended one of them. Very nice people

Jul 21, 2012 2:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Binary wrote:

In fact Assads_a_cretin, (love the moniker, btw), of a population of 22.5 million, I’d be surprised if there was even one major language that was not spoken in Syria.

To claim (as our friends do) that there is no-one in Syria capable of speaking English (or unwilling to do so), smacks of extreme naivety, or a relentless desire to flog a logical dead horse in order to prove “something” (what, I am sure we will still find out).

Jul 21, 2012 2:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
usa.wi.vet.4q wrote:

Assad is a kretin.

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BraveNewWrld wrote:

Binary wrote:

To claim (as our friends do) that there is no-one in Syria capable of speaking English (or unwilling to do so), smacks of extreme naivety, or a relentless desire to flog a logical dead horse in order to prove “something” (what, I am sure we will still find out).

Is “logical dead horse” what you wrote above? Do you have experience of living in other countries speaking different languages as some of the commenters here do?

The point in case is that the minority that fluently speaks English in Syria is as likely to represent the majority of Syria’s population as say hungarian- or even french-speakers would do in the US, or in China.

Jul 21, 2012 3:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Binary wrote:

Dear BraveNewWorld,

To your question: yes. Now what? Where would you like to go with that part of your carefully constructed argument?

The logical dead horse (if you had bothered to follow the thread), is that the photo of the article is of Syrian women holding up a sign that reads “freedom”. Now, my adversaries here choose to spin this as some proof of a CIA plot – of what, we have yet to determine. But I suspect to take over the sign-holding industry in Syria.

Jul 21, 2012 3:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

So we are agreed- it is a fact that there are Syrians who can read and writes in different languages!
Thats just as well for the 30 000 Russian women who married Syrian Men, and all the Syrians who have travelled and worked abroad!

Jul 21, 2012 3:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Some light relief:
:)
ANOTHER STATEMENT
News o’Moussa Koussa

General Advice to General Syrian General

If I were a Syrian general,
Artillery or aerial,
I’d look for a career change,
Or buy a plot for burial.

I might take up embroidery,
Or try my hand in comedy,
Exploring my career range,
Across-the-border remedy.

If I were a Syrian officer,
Instead of my date with Lucifer,
That Bashir Assad arranged,
I’d go Moussa Koussier:

I’d be a little choosier:
My uniform for an Uzi or
For something even doozier.
I’d trade on Allepo grange,

If I were in the Syrian Cabinet,
Old, arrogant and obstinate,
I’d defect before next “accident”
To save my ASSad mange,

If I were a Syrian general,
Extending life ephemeral,
I’d exit Assad’s stage
Like my two dozen brethren.

Embroidery or pottery
I’d try my luck in lottery,
Or stay for a lobotomy
That FSA arranged.

Jul 21, 2012 3:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Murphyslaws wrote:

Haters just listen a lion crouches A prey skillfully in the same way Bashar Al Assad soldiers and Syrian people will crouch on the terrorists and devour them,Long live bashar Al Assad ,huh the terrorists in Syria Have their days numbered.

Jul 21, 2012 4:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Murphyslaws wrote:

I still dont see how 10,000 terrorists can win and occupy land against artillery and a 400,000 strong mechanized Syrian armed forces that have IRGC commandos supporting them along with russian military assistance and chinese financing.

Jul 21, 2012 4:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

These women holding the “freedom” sign ask Saudi Arabia and Qatar for help….

Whoever gave them that sign to hold “forgot” to tell them that women in Syria have 100 times more freedom than women in Saudi Arabia, that their “freedom” to drive a car will be taken away if the wahabists succeed…. that the freedom to enjoy carrots and cucumbers will be taken away from them forever….

If this thing was about freedom, Qatar and Saudi Arabia would not have been associated with it. In fact, if regime change fails, Saudi Arabia would be on the receiving end of a few tomahwaks. The US has a history of turning against its puppets who fail to “accomplish the mission”….

Btw how is operation “Damascus volcano, Syria earthquake” doing?

Last time I heard rebels were “closing in”. Have they reached Assad’s “compoud” yet, like in Libya? When will Reuters finally have this headline: Syria, Mission Accomplished? LLLLLOOOOOOLLLLL

Jul 21, 2012 4:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

A very good recap of this week’s events in Syria:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/07/21/252028/syria-defeats-terrorists-in-damascus/

Jul 21, 2012 5:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Domsayshi wrote:

The Daily Mail can reveal some rebels inside Damascus have been trained by former SAS soldiers working for teams of private security contractors from two companies based in the Middle East.
Faltering: Syrian President Bashar Assad could fall within four weeks, potentially leading to fighting spilling out of Syria and in to Lebanon

Faltering: Syrian President Bashar Assad could fall within four weeks, potentially leading to fighting spilling out of Syria and in to Lebanon

More than 300 rebels have passed through a remote base just inside Iraq, while a second ‘higher tier’ command course not involving weapons is being held in Saudi Arabia.

Potential leaders are given military planning tuition with training in military tactics including weapon handling, leadership and using communications systems.

From the Daily Mail and others. Clearly this rebellion was Western initiated.

Jul 21, 2012 5:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Domsayshi wrote:

Dozens of Turkish truck drivers on Saturday accused Free Syrian Army rebels of having burned and looted their lorries

Thank you mr. cameron.

Jul 21, 2012 5:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Binary wrote:

And then Fromkin lost his grip on reality:

“These women holding the “freedom” sign ask Saudi Arabia and Qatar for help….”

Is that so? I thought (from oxi and bravenewrld[sic]) that they were holding up the sign because the CIA had told them to do so? And then we had a big argument about whether any Syrian can speak English, and determined that in all probability there was at least one Syrian that could.

But here is a thought Fromkin – all of that aside… if the message is intended for Saudi and Qatar, why is it in English? Does it need to be in English? Is English the best language to use when requesting “help” from Saudi and Qatar?

Jul 21, 2012 5:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Domsayshi wrote:

So if someone starts a fire in an apartment building with many peple living there so that they can build a new housing project, and then shoots the firemen as they arrive so it can’t be put out, are they innocent of the deaths of the innocent?

Jul 21, 2012 5:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Domsayshi wrote:

Hey, I have an idea. Everyone out there who hates their landlord, just burn the place down. Don’t worry that it was the home of countless others who weren’t involved in your squabble with him. Just go to the British, they’ll be glad to help you learn how to make devices that will blow him and his contemporaries up. They’ll even help you buy and poor the gasoline on the fire.

Jul 21, 2012 5:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

If former SAS men had trained the FSA Assad would already be dead.

Jul 21, 2012 6:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Domsayshi wrote:

Two drag racers racing burning their tires and traveling at break neck speed down the road. One of them doesn’t like the evident outcome and so he asks mr. cameron to build him a more powerful vehicle.
To bad it was a street with children playing on it and mothers and fathers taking care of their families.

Jul 21, 2012 6:19pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Domsayshi wrote:

Hey, I just built the car. Those thousands of people fleeing for their lives are not my responsibility. I just wanted my pick to win. The other guy could have quit racing at any time.

Jul 21, 2012 6:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
owl905 wrote:

“Dozens of Turkish truck drivers on Saturday accused Free Syrian Army rebels of having burned and looted their lorries ”

Yahoo News has a good recap of the Cilvegozu border incident:

http://tinyurl.com/d9g77dx

Add that to the Bab al-Hawa incident, the article citation of Government forces looting in Damascus, and the general track record of the Shabbiha … run for your life, and that’s the only thing that might be saved.

It’s one of the ugly realities of a civil war. Next time the cheap-seats squawk, “keep us out, and let ‘em go at it” … this is what they’re promoting.

Jul 21, 2012 6:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

@Binary

Intelligent people know that there is no distinction between CIA,Qatar and Saudi Arabia as far as this subversive attack on Syria is concerned, or NATO for that matter. They are the players of the same football team. Please stop confusing people. The CIA is involved in this thing big time and is directing operations. That includes that sign, Reuters’information war, actions by Qatar, Saudi Arabia, etc…

Qatar is not even a normal country. It’s more than half occupied by US military bases, and Saudi Arabia is a gas station controlled by the US. And the CIA offers security protection to the gas station and its managers,the whahabbi royal family.

Yes I used hyperbole but the point I am making is 100% true.

Saudi Arabia, Qatar,Nato, CIA, MOSSAD, GGSE, MI6, Turkey can mean the same thing in this attack on Syria. That’s how I see it. I respect that you don’t see it that way.

Jul 21, 2012 6:49pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
owl905 wrote:

“Intelligent people know that there is no distinction between CIA,Qatar and Saudi Arabia as far as this subversive attack on Syria is concerned, or NATO for that matter.”

So now the conspiracy megatheorium has intelligent people knowing that the Global Great Cephalopod has launched a subversive attack … on NATO.

Jul 21, 2012 6:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Slammy wrote:

@Fromkin
“What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger!”
During my battle with cancer I coined the phrase, What Doesn’t Kill You Only Hurts. It seems more applicable as I believe a person can be knocked down a peg at a time. 5 years in remission.

“Btw how is operation “Damascus volcano, Syria earthquake” doing? ”
Well, its been more than 48 hours since you said the rebellion would be totally crushed. Doing pretty good I reckon all things considered. I am curious how much fuel the regime has to keep runing its tanks and helicopters and how well the supply lines are holding up from the coast. If they run out of gas Ramadan is going to be really interesting this year.

Fromkin, Oxi, I have some good news:

On March 15 the Washington Post reported,
“ On the one-year anniversary of the uprisings in Syria, U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded that the armed resistance is not able to mount a credible military threat to the regime of Bashar al-Assad.”

On March 31, Sana reported that the Syrian Foreign Ministry Jihad Makdessi said that “the battle to bring down the government in Syria is over once and for all.”

See, you are both right and I stand corrected. The rebels never had a chance and all the fighting has been over for months. All this news about clashes in Damascus, Apello and border crossings being taken is pure propaganda with no basis in reality. You may sleep easy tonight. I wonder why I keep having problems accessing Sana…

Go Sunni!

Jul 21, 2012 7:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

“I wonder why I keep having problems accessing Sana… ”

Maybe this link will help you. I have SANA 24/7.

http://208.43.232.81/eng/21/2012/07/21/432686.htm

“On the one-year anniversary of the uprisings in Syria, U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded that the armed resistance is not able to mount a credible military threat to the regime of Bashar al-Assad.”

That’s why they tried the hail mary terrorist attack and it fell flat albeit with four high profile army casualties….

“All this news about clashes in Damascus, Apello and border crossings being taken is pure propaganda with no basis in reality.”

Yes they are propaganda with no basis in reality. What the point of attacking and holding a crossing border for less than 24 hours….

The clashes in Damascus are a fiasco and more noises than anything else. Bab Amr was a big battle, Douma in Damascus area was bigger than the one way suicide trip by the mercenaries and terrorists this week.

These clashes were divertionary tactics to the Western intelligence special op that killed 4 generals and were meant to back the information war trying to convince gullible people that the Syrian state was crumbling. The rebels were sacrificial lambs in Damascus.

Yes the rebels have not mounted a credible military threat to the Syrian government, unless you count the terrorist killing of 4 army generals by western secret services as a credible threat by rebels.

The rebels have no chance if it weren’t for NATO, US,FRANCE,UK ,AL support. Even with that support, there’s still no hope for them to win. In 18 months they haven’t controlled any significant territory…

These suicide bombers and terrorists are paid to commit atrocities and cause damage to civilian and state properties, to create scenes of chaos that feed into western medias propaganda narrative spreading BIG LIES.

Jul 21, 2012 8:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Murphyslaws wrote:

Go Shia!!!

Jul 21, 2012 9:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Slammy wrote:

@Fromkin

“Yes the rebels have not mounted a credible military threat to the Syrian government, unless you count the terrorist killing of 4 army generals by western secret services as a credible threat by rebels. ”
I for one do not count the killing of the 4 army officers as a credible military threat of the rebels. Maybe a tactical success of their special forces or something akin to a disgruntled postal worker. I do consider the leaders killed a target as fair as Riad al-Asaad or the other 28 Generals defected. Would you call it a terrorist attack if Riad Al-Assad was blown up, probably not.

“The rebels have no chance if it weren’t for NATO, US,FRANCE,UK ,AL support. Even with that support, there’s still no hope for them to win. In 18 months they haven’t controlled any significant territory”
Ok, so we do agree that they are rebels now and not just a few armed gangs, right? That consensus makes writing my definitions on here much shorter. Glad we are starting to see eye to eye.
Let me ask this, exactly what support is Nato, Us, France and Uk giving? We know Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE and to some extent Libya are financing the weapons to the rebels, right? We know the weapons they are fighting with are Russian and Chinese made, right? Everything today is made in China anyway, right? We know the United States is not geographically between Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE and Syria.. We also know the United States is not geographically between Russia, China and Syria, right? Just about any world map should show this regardless of what’s considered propaganda, right? Please point out any sentences that are logically incorrect before i go move on… Ok, if these middle eastern government are funding the weapons for the rebels, if the weapons are made in Russia and China(mainly China probably), if the weapons do not need to cross over the United States, France and UK on their way to Syria, exactly what is it the United States, Fr and Uk are doing? I think you are blaming the wrong people. The best people to blame as I see it are the Syrians. But that would just be too easy, blaming the people who are actually doing the fighting, right?

“In 18 months they haven’t controlled any significant territory”
I am not sure how important controlling significant territory is. Have you read about the The Chinese Revolution of 1949?

“…to create scenes of chaos that feed into western medias propaganda narrative spreading BIG LIES.”

War does not determine who is right – only who is left.
Bertrand Russell

Go Sunni!

Jul 21, 2012 9:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

Binary wrote:

To your question: yes. Now what? Where would you like to go with that part of your carefully constructed argument?

Well, if you did live in countries thatspeak other language than yours, you certainly understand where that first carefully constructed part of m argument leads – directly to the second part of it:

The minority that fluently speaks foreign language (English) in a country (Syria) is not likely to represent the majority of that country’s (Syria’s) population. Consider, say hungarian- or even french-speakers in the US, or in China. Do you think they represent any majority?

But aside of all that simple logics, it is clear that signs and slogans written in English are intended for the English-speaking (fioreign) audience – and not for the Syrian people. Did you see Cocla-cola advertising in English in a country that speaks other language :-)?

Jul 21, 2012 9:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

Reuters quotes French foreign minister:
“We would like to see the rapid formation of a provisional government representing the diversity of Syrian society,” said Fabius.

BBC reports: Profiles of security and defence chiefs killed in Damascus blast

Gen Daoud Rajiha was appointed defence minister in August 2011, and remained in the post … was a Greek Orthodox Christian.

Gen Hassan Turkomani was appointed assistant to the vice-president – with the rank of minister – in 2009. He was also said to been made a special envoy of President Assad. A Sunni Muslim …

Gen Shawkat … Born in 1950 to a middle-class Alawite family …

Born in 1941, Gen Ikhtiar was the head of the Baath Party Regional Command’s National Security Bureau (NSB), – BBC quotes no religious affiliation for this one.

Perhaps, Mr. Fabius could elaborate more on the diversity issue? And, perhaps, explain who are Assad’s kids – Alawites (as their father) or Sunnis (as their mom)?

Jul 21, 2012 9:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

Binary wrote:

But here is a thought Fromkin – all of that aside… if the message is intended for Saudi and Qatar, why is it in English? Does it need to be in English? Is English the best language to use when requesting “help” from Saudi and Qatar?

Well binary – what is your guess whom is that message intended for :-)?

Jul 21, 2012 10:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

@BraveNewWorld

“We would like to see the rapid formation of a provisional government representing the diversity of Syrian society,” said Fabius.

These people are crazy and delusional.

Who’s Laurent Fabious to determine the type of government for Syria?

You made a good point. I don’t think the westerners understand Syria and Syrian people. They’ve always strived in sawing division between ethnic and religious groups in other countries but in Syria it won’t work because Syria has succeeded in bluring these divisions lines. In Syria, all ethnic groups participate in building the Syrian modern and secular state. The Syrian army is a conscript army, all male syrians participate in military service.So the notion that Alawite dominate is pure lunacy. The Sunni-Alawite division is a dangerous Western fiction.

You ask a good question: If Assad’s mother is a Sunni, isn’t Assad also a Sunni? Now we see why western countries fear Assad. In a free election, he has a real chance to win. The 12% the talk about is from his father side but he will also benefit from a good portion the 60% from his mother side, not to mention people from other groups who support him. No wonder the West are trying to prevent him from running.

In my entire life I’ve never seen a fraudulent operation like this Syrian western coup.

Jul 21, 2012 11:19pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SickOneLV wrote:

@Fromkin, for somebody supposedly born in France and educated in the States you sure claim to know everything about a country you’ve never been to, your ignorance is showing. @Binary, great comments! I think, however, that you should include a disclaimer indicating you’re being sarcastic since it seems there are several folks here not intelligent enough to catch your whit. @Assad’s_a_cretin, great poem and well thought out comments! @Slammy, keep up the good fight! Don’t ever let that demon cancer win!

Jul 21, 2012 11:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

@SickOne,

“@Fromkin, for somebody supposedly born in France and educated in the States you sure claim to know everything about a country you’ve never been to, your ignorance is showing.”

I never claim to know everything about any country even the ones I’ve been to. And, How’s my ignorance is showing?

Do you have to have been near a volcano to know that fire and lava erupt from it? Do you need to touch a rattle snake to know that it’s dangerous?

You know things or facts by learning (about) them. I am told you can learn Japanese with Rosetta Stone without being in Japan. Is it true, SickOneLV?

Jul 21, 2012 12:03am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

learn more about the Syrian conflict:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=32004
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31997

Jul 21, 2012 12:34am EDT  --  Report as abuse
oxi wrote:

Latest from Syria since Retuers will not report:

New border posts the jihadist’s took control, result: burned and looted Turkish trucks and bribes to get them back! Is this the post-Assad Westerner’s are dreaming about?

Syria allows PKK to establish bases within Syria, result: 10% of Syrian population is Kurdish, so they will be happy to fight off the jihadist’s and PKK seizes two border towns on Syria-Turkish border Afrin and Ayn-al Arab …

UK announces a task force of 3 warships to head off Syria after the Olympics: HMS Illustrious marine helo-carrier, HMS Bulwark marine amphibious warship and HMS Defender Type 45 destroyer…

USS Lincoln strike group remains off Turkey’s southwest coast…

I have stated before that WWIII began with the Russian shoot down of the NATO RF-4 and I stand correct!

Jul 22, 2012 4:17am EDT  --  Report as abuse
oxi wrote:

Salafists and other jihadist’s flocking to Syria:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/islamic-fighters-flocking-to-syria/article4432160/

This is starting to look like Afghanistan of the 1980′s, better learn the jihadist’s the West is supporting before its too late!

Jul 22, 2012 4:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse

Hey Oxi its not all bad! The group Islamic Jihad (funded by Syrian secret service and Iranian Al Quds force) has left Syria and is back in Iran- some at least a few terrorists have packed up and left Syria!

Jul 22, 2012 4:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Binary wrote:

Oxi wrote:

“USS Lincoln strike group remains off Turkey’s southwest coast”

Yes it is Oxi. The USN always have at least one strike group in the Mediterranean. There is nothing sinister there. This strike group is performing a recognised peace-time naval function: visiting an ally to show solidarity.

The description taken from the USS Abraham Lincoln’s own website is as follows:

“Lincoln’s visit to Antalya follows the ship’s departure from the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility (AOR), July 16, when the ship transited the Suez Canal and entered the Mediterranean Sea.

Lincoln departed its homeport of Everett, Wash., Dec. 7, for a deployment to the U.S. 5th* and 7th** Fleet AORs. Following this port visit, Lincoln will be changing homeports from Everett, Wash., to Norfolk, Va., for a periodic refueling complex overhaul.”

So the full story is this: having departed its home port on the US Pacific coast in early December, the strike group served first around Japan, and then in the Arabian Gulf. It is now on its ways to the US Atlantic coast, because it has changed home ports (from Everett to Norfolk)… the reason being that it is due for a major overhaul. These overhauls are planned (and budgetted for) years in advance.

* North Indian Ocean and Gulf area.
** Far East.

Jul 22, 2012 6:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

@Binary, @Gordo, @Slammy,@owl905,@sickonelv,@Cretin

Here is the latest report from the NYT describing the US role in this Syrian conflict. Keep in mind that the NYT can’t report what is deemed to be “secret”? So this is really just the tip of the iceberg.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/22/world/middleeast/us-to-focus-on-forcibly-toppling-syrian-government.html?pagewanted=all

Jul 22, 2012 7:06am EDT  --  Report as abuse

I am all for it! I hope its true :)

Jul 22, 2012 7:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse

I am all for it! I hope its true :)

Jul 22, 2012 7:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse

Lets hope yo attach the same credence to all western media stories and sources regarding the situation in Suria- and arent just cherrypicking to suit your bias.

Jul 22, 2012 7:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

This is the reality on the ground

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGJgwA6I2OI

Jul 22, 2012 8:49am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Binary wrote:

Dear Fromkin,

So the NYT reports that the US may now consider a more active involvement in Syria (hot on the heels of Russia dispatching a fleet to the region). Are we to believe that this is the proof that the US are already involved in Syria?

I’ve never thought that it would be a requirement of International Relations (as a discipline) of having to demonstrate a grasp of tenses (such as in past, present, and future tense). I guess one is never too old to learn.

Jul 22, 2012 10:53am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Binary wrote:

Fromkin,

Thank you for that youtube link. Now I do not speak the lingo, but I am fluent in warfare. And I would, on the basis of this video like to point out the following:

a) Out of a length of less than 8 minutes of footage, I spotted no less than 50 tactical mistakes (and I was not even trying). Who are these guys? The keystone cops? They are little more than untrained rabble – so I am not surprised that they are dying like flies.

b) I spotted at least 5 instances where the scene was staged. What you need to look for (if someone with your degree of bias is even interested), is to gain an understanding of where the cameraman is in relation to the FLOT*. On at least one occasion, this hero holding the camera had placed himself across the FLOT – so in effect, between the enemy and the troops he was filming.

Nice bit of popular support there towards the end of the video. A good coverage of the 22 million Syrians… they must have included what? A good 15 people? With statistics like that, who can argue?

(SickOneLV Disclaimer)

* Forward Line of Own Troops. Think of the FLOT as the Advantage Line.

Jul 22, 2012 11:09am EDT  --  Report as abuse
oxi wrote:

Good news from the front:

Damascus has been cleared of the jihadist’s by the Syrian 4th Armoured Division!

Syria also regained control of the al-Yarubiyah border post with Iraq!

Why is the West silent about these defeats?

Jul 23, 2012 10:11am EDT  --  Report as abuse
joka1 wrote:

Lightly armed insurgents my foot. If these goons were gunning people down in the good old USA the military industrial mess would be using drones, cruise missiles, and if needed nukes to stop them.
When are the corporate media people going to tell the truth instead of playing shill for Israel.

Jul 23, 2012 3:43pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
oxi wrote:

I see Reuters is censoring my posts…

I cannot post on any new Syria reports but everything else I still can…

Looks like Reuters is not interested in the TRUTH I find out about what really is happening in Syria and not the watered down Western bias we see…

Shame on you Reuters, what cannot handle the TRUTH?

Jul 23, 2012 5:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
oxi wrote:

Reuters: I see now 2 new Syria posts you are not allowing me to post on yet I can post on all other articles!

What gives?

I will give you one last chance before I file a formal complaint…

Jul 23, 2012 9:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
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