Obama, buoyed by election win, faces new battles

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RSaltyDog wrote:

It’s going to be interesting. Poll after poll after poll want the wealthy to pay more. California passed a bill to do just that. The GOP held the House but I think it is a two year gift or 2nd chance to come to the table and compromise. It is interesting today because so far all I hear from the GOP is they will not vote to tax the wealthy but cut the mortgage deduction on the middle class. The GOP may not like it, and I’m sure mega-donors don’t but the voters want the wealthy to pay more and if the GOP votes no then that will be reflected in the GOP losing the House in 2014.

Nov 07, 2012 10:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Robert76 wrote:

The Party of NO needs to step up to the plate and start negotiating with President Obama and the Democrats. They have wasted 4 years and endangered our country’s economy enought. It is time to put up or shut up.

Nov 07, 2012 10:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Cricketinblue wrote:

The Republicans just need to figure out that its hard to essentially imply that people within our population shouldnt be treated as equals ……and then expect their vote. They have more than once attempted to justify taking away a woman’s right to her own body, more than once dropped lines that indicated they cared little for mexicans, and more than once stated that gays should not have equal rights.Then, afterwards they are astonished that gays, mexicans, women, the young, and other minority groups turn away from them.

I use to have many Republican views…but now Im scared of them. They literally frighten me, Id rather be poor than lose my right to my own body, or my right to birth control. I’ve also deeply appreciated the extra student grants given to me under the Oboma administration. It made caring for my autistic sister and myself easier while obtaining a business degree.

Thank you Oboma! Thank you for giving me a chance to get a degree, and land a job that makes far more than $7 dollars an hour. Thank you for giving me a chance to actually care for myself.

Nov 07, 2012 10:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
VSNFR60 wrote:

John Boehner and Mitch McConnell the GOP’s leaders > now to lead w/ 2nd term president Obama. Can we, the Americans, look back after 4 more years and be proud of these great leaders coming together to be the country we NEED to be? Instead of talking about the forefathers, lets shift to talk about the “present” fathers.

Nov 07, 2012 11:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
aliasag wrote:

It is not easy to formulate a ‘comprehensive tax reform’ when we face the fiscal cliff. I am glad the president decided to stick to his tax plan of ending Bush tax cuts for >$250,000. I would, however, like to see it ends on all but the bottom two brackets. Since it has been established “beyond a reasonable doubt” that higher taxes on high income do not stifle growth, though may not happen, I would suggest that the president should push for two more higher rates of 50% on>$5 million & 70% on >$25 million. Both are far less than the rates until the 1980s.
The best way to cut spending is by having a single payer healthcare system, which will take time. Spending cuts that involve drastic austerity measures must be avoided, but reforming Social Security and Medicare could be undertaken. But the president’s jobs bill must be passed ASAP.

Nov 07, 2012 11:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

GOP is dying. Their own moderate members were calling for them to ditch the tea party nutjobs, but the party establishment went the other way. Started enlisting the tea party instead. They now have an anti-gay, anti-minority platform as the official GOP platform. How’s that working out for you guys?

Nov 07, 2012 11:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
PenRumi wrote:

One old battle remains: The economy. The economic situation in the US is far worse than people thinks because the economic indicators have been skillfully doctored to camouflage fundamental problems. Due to globalization, the industrial base in the US has significantly eroded to a point where the economy has become service-based just like in Canada. Mr. Obama has done little to stem de-industrialization in the first term. With the exception of the auto industry, most of the stimulus spending in the first term has been a waste due to massive fraud that lined up the pocket coats of Obama constituents at both federal and state levels. Government-controlled health care is only going to exacerbate the fraud so prevalent in Medicare, which is comparatively a very small program. America is slowly getting mugged; nobody knows it yet.

Nov 08, 2012 12:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

RSaltyDog: You’re absolutely right. A majority of Americans believe that taxes should go up on the wealthy. This has been the case for some time now, but the GOP continue their serial lying and say the American people do not want taxes to go up. This false dynamic must change.

A majority of those believing taxes should go up voted for Obama, and Obama won. Obama believes it needs to be done. A majority in the Senate believes it needs to be done. And most importantly, a majority of our Republic believes it needs to be done. So it must be done. We CANNOT allow one man, Grover Norquist, to prevent this American democracy from doing something we feel is in our best interests. But because the Republicans were stupid enough to sign Norquist’s pledge, Republicans are ignoring the wishes of the American people and are, instead, obeying the wishes of one man, Grover Norquist. We can’t tolerate that. If the Republican-controlled House won’t do what we want, the American people must get involved and pressure them to serve us. And if they still don’t, we need to vote them out of office.

Nov 08, 2012 12:58am EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

PenRumi, the best answer to that problem is tariffs. So what rate would you propose? The historic rate in the U.S. ranged anywhere from 20 – 40% on imported dutiable goods. Over the past 30 years, that has slipped to 1.3% with the help of some multi-national business lobbies looking to turn America into a nation of walmart customers rather than a nation of producers. Groups like the oddly named “U.S. Chamber of Commerce” have been pushing for very low U.S. import tarriffs. Why is that?

So what rate do you propose? I’m thinking a 20% tariff on all foreign manufactured goods for starters, with an eye to 40% if that’s not enough. Let’s do it.

Nov 08, 2012 1:00am EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Robert76, I disagree that the republican party is the ‘Party of NO.”

According to Sarah Palin, it’s the party of ‘Hell No.’ So it’s more complex than just ‘no’…. as you can see.

Nov 08, 2012 1:04am EST  --  Report as abuse
SanPa wrote:

GOP needs to ditch the Tea Party to save itself.

Nov 08, 2012 4:22am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

The GOP needs to get rid of the Tea Party and the Neo-Cons, and the the half-a-dozen or so people left in the party can start again.

They should have done that back in 2007 when they had just finished destroying the USA. That was the perfect opportunity to announce that they had learned from their mistakes, make changes, and dump the fringe lunatics.

Instead, they said it wasn’t their fault, pushed the same policies that wrecked the USA as the solution, and now they are all confused wondering why that didn’t win them an election.

Nov 08, 2012 5:12am EST  --  Report as abuse
amos033 wrote:

This county needs to repent and return to Jesus Christ. This wicked generation is headed to an abyss on a fast moving train and there be no stopping it. The Church once feared by Kings and Princes, has lost her voice. The Silence of the Church is deafening. Wake up America!

Nov 08, 2012 7:01am EST  --  Report as abuse
s.o wrote:

It is time to wake up you won it then make different BEN

Nov 08, 2012 7:03am EST  --  Report as abuse
stambo2001 wrote:

Do you burn the house or let it get taken over by degenerates? That is pretty much the question now. If America is set to turn its back on it’s foundation and history, is it really even America anymore?

Nov 08, 2012 7:33am EST  --  Report as abuse
morbas wrote:

Transaction tax code imposes disproportionate burden at the most fundamental rights of liberty, justice by taxing sustenance (poverty). Any encumbrance on sustenance is contrary to equality in the ’pursuit of happiness’. California voters approved prop 30, mandating a surtax on the upper quintile, a message Mr Boehner must heed. Yes we can and must fix the problem now, now that a solution exists to pending catastrophe (economic cliff). The issues befalls not only the federal government, but also includes the other 2/3rds of the budget; our state and municipalities. Several municipalities are in default. At this juncture the sum total of all USA budgets is close to 50% of the entire USA incomes. A simple solution exists; margin at poverty ($30,000) , graduate the rate to 90% (la 1960), design tax crossover rates at about $150,000 yearly income. Nationalize taxation, so no other taxation is allowed. Empower the federal reserve to maintain monetary supply and value, ending tax authority of congress.
Everything is positive, lower taxes on the lower quintile(s), no taxes on sustenance, and no taxes on business.
Total USA Income $12,981,741,000,000
Federal Budget: $ 2,314,000,000,000 17.83% of Income.
State Budget : $3,007,320,000,000 23.17% of Income.
City-County Municipality :$1,225,250,000,000 9.4% of Income.

Nov 08, 2012 7:47am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

@stambo2001

America is whatever Americans want it to be, and they have said very clearly that they don’t want it to be Republican.

You Republicans lost. Real Americans chose to reject your vision of America, so you do *not* represent America. You do not speak for America. You are not ‘defending America’ because America has chosen the very thing you claim to be defending it against.

It is time you understood that and stopped trying to force your minority ideology down the the throats of Americans who do not want it. Either get on board with real Americans and help, or get out of the way and be let the leader of America, chosen by real Americans, do what he was elected to do.

Nov 08, 2012 7:52am EST  --  Report as abuse
BillDexter wrote:

The Tea Party needs to ditch the social conservatives and return to the original message, fiscal accountability and responsibility by elected officials with taxpayer’s money and the crushing debt they run up. Then we need to face down the neo-cons, who essentially are Democrats. Then we need to begin reigning in this notion of ‘entitlement’ before we collapse altogether.

The entitlement mindset is how President Obama won both terms. This notion that the government is supposed to provide benefit to people who did not earn that benefit in the private sector is in my opinion the core of the philosophical divide in our nation right now. Most of you seem more concerned with vilifying people and companies that succeed and thereby gain wealth. Well, guess what. They took NOTHING from you. They provide employment for the rest of us and pay more in income tax than the rest of us. Asking them to “pay a little more” is NOT what realists object to. That idea is only liberal slander. Realists object to asking them to “pay a little more” when you only intend to give it away to buy votes.

Economic justice, fairness and equality are noble ideologies for college kids who have had everything paid for by others, be it Mommy and Daddy or a public loan. The problem is that you don’t seem to realize that money did NOT fall from the sky. Someone had to work for it, pay taxes on it and NOT spend it on themselves in order to give it to you. We can all live happily ever after by chiseling more and more from a smaller and smaller private sector, call those who object extremists and rejoice at their political defeat right up until we run out of other people’s money. Then what?

Nov 08, 2012 8:03am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

BillDexter wrote:
“The entitlement mindset is how President Obama won both terms.”

Because Fox told you so?

Stop being such a sore loser. Obama won a second term because Americans aren’t as stupid as you imagine, and have memories that stretch back four years. They remember exactly how fiscally responsible the last Republican regime was and don’t want to go there again. They are also smart enough to see that Republicans have no plans and no specifics.

They are also smart enough to see who the divisive individuals are – they are that tea-baggy bunch in Congress who say ‘no’ to everything and would happily throw the USA under a bus if it got them some political points.

People like you need to understand that you *lost*. You are not running the country and don’t get to call the shots because Americans don’t want you. In fact, your country would be better off without you.

Nov 08, 2012 8:29am EST  --  Report as abuse
texas100 wrote:

Receiving less than half of all votes cast, is not a Mandate; it’s a sign of a deeply divided nation;…
Having a presidential disapproval rating from the American people above 50% for nearly the entire last two years, is not a Mandate; it’s a failure to perform…..
Having the same voters who just elected you President, also elect an overwhelmingly Republican House, is clearly not a Mandate; it’s a sign of caution; a lack of trust….
Obama will have to compromise on spending, deficit reduction, taxes and regulation; or 2014 elections will look just like 2010..

Nov 08, 2012 8:37am EST  --  Report as abuse
soulice wrote:

Must be spending cuts and tax code clean up. The voters may be saying they want the rich to pay taxes, who doesn’t? Envy, jealousy and a lack of economic information lead people to say “tax the rich more”. The California vote is just what that is. It is also a good political plank as seen by this election. That being said, taxing the 1% (or the Buffet Rule) is spitting on a fire…

“WASHINGTON (AP) — A bill designed to enact President Barack Obama’s plan for a “Buffett rule” tax on the wealthy would rake in just $31 billion over the next 11 years, according to an estimate by Congress’ official tax analysts obtained by The Associated Press.

That figure would be a drop in the bucket of the over $7 trillion in federal budget deficits projected during that period.”

We need tax code cleanup and spending clean up.

Nov 08, 2012 9:12am EST  --  Report as abuse
morbas wrote:

Mr Boehner,
California (the 7th largest economy on Earth) approved by popular vote prop 30, largely a surtax on the upper quintile, to close a deficit. That texas100, is a mandate and the law. The federal government budget in only 1/3rd of the national budget. We need to Nationalize the tax code.

Nov 08, 2012 9:16am EST  --  Report as abuse
BillDexter wrote:

Abulafish,
So, if the Tea Party is the least popular ‘bunch’, how can their saying ‘no’ be just to get them some political points? Do you know what they said ‘no’ to? Do you care?

I will say, you raise an interesting possibility. You say we don’t run the country and don’t get to call the shots. You further say that Americans don’t want us and our country would be better off without us. How ‘bout this – we will agree not to participate in your smarter America public policy efforts if we can stop paying taxes. This way, the smart liberals can FINALLY demonstrate how wonderful everything can be without interference from people who say ‘no’ all the time. You can have your paradise and ‘we’ will only be quietly working in the private sector, taking no benefit from your public policy.

Deal?

Nov 08, 2012 9:22am EST  --  Report as abuse
BillDexter wrote:

Abulafiah
I must apologize to you. I did not intentionally misspell your posting ‘name’. I remember another poster who DID end their name with ‘fish’ and I took your name to be that one. I didn’t have my glasses on.

My postings may get sarcastic but I do not intend personal insult in the name of politics. Please accept my apologies.

Nov 08, 2012 9:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
Doc62 wrote:

Great comments. Sadly, the Goofy Old Poop(GOP) will continue to stymie our country. Their “supporters” paid billions to make billions in tax cuts and saller gov’t. I loved millionaire butcher Ryan’s mom on Medicare. Bet they pay cash to the best MD’s.-from their off shore banks. Go California! Do any other states have the guts?

Nov 08, 2012 10:01am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

BillDexter wrote:
“Abulafish,
So, if the Tea Party is the least popular ‘bunch’, how can their saying ‘no’ be just to get them some political points? ”

It appeals to their voter base… which says a lot about that base.

BillDexter wrote:
“Do you know what they said ‘no’ to? Do you care?”

Debt ceiling… jobs bill…Dream Act…ObamaCare… letting Bush tax cuts lapse etc. So much so that they were willing to hold the USA middle-class and the economy to ransom to get their minority wishes. A better question would be what *didn’t* they say no to? Can you make a list of what they said yes to?

BillDexter wrote:
“we will agree not to participate in your smarter America public policy efforts if we can stop paying taxes.”

Sure… you can stop paying taxes if you move out of the USA.

BillDexter wrote:
“You can have your paradise and ‘we’ will only be quietly working in the private sector, taking no benefit from your public policy.”

This private sector that you Republicans always refer to crashed under the last Republican regime, and has posted record breaking profits under Obama. They too are better of without Republicans getting in the way.

Nov 08, 2012 10:17am EST  --  Report as abuse
ComeOnAlready wrote:

The problem isnt how much to tax the rich, it is where the money is going. Our welfare system is a joke, and the biggest part of the problem. Fix that, and we are all better off.

I worked 2 jobs to pay my way through college on my own and started a business in my garage at night. I could not even get a credit card I was so poor. Now, I make that coveted milliob a year. I am not impressed by people on welfare doing drugs and playing nintendo on flat screen TV’s using my tax dollars. I sure the heck dont want to give them any more.

Do your best people, you will be surprised what you can accomplish.

Nov 08, 2012 10:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
ricksterd64 wrote:

It’s not just the GOP being the party of no. It’s hard to compromise when Obama’s idea of compromise is my way or the highway. It’s not just the replublicans that are not compromising it’s the democrats too. the entire system is broken. I would like to fast forward 40 years and see what history has to say about Obama. I have a feeling he will be noted in history as the first black president and the president who destroyed america by uncontrolled deficit spending and ruining the value of the american dollar

Nov 08, 2012 10:35am EST  --  Report as abuse
Hoyadude09 wrote:

Apparently the days of objective journalism are long gone..this article reads like it was written by the DNC chair….pathetic. BOTH parties need to do some serious soul searching during the next few years. And more importantly, what folks apparently are refusing to acknowledge here is that Americans don’t like to unseat sitting Presidents…that much is historically and statistically proven. Anything can happen in 30-40 years…the Democratic Party may go the way of the dodo bird if it doesn’t present true economic leadership or put up future candidates with ACTUAL EXPERIENCE.

Nov 08, 2012 10:57am EST  --  Report as abuse
soulice wrote:

@Abulafiah – you can stop campaigning now. Last time to say this. Check all fiscal reported number up to the 2007 crash an dnote the Dems took over in 2006 and 17 months later, boom. But lets beat this dead horse some more. Doc62 – see my post higher up on how much the Congressional tax group says will come in from taxing the rich up to the levels of the Buffet Rule… This is from a non-partisan group so chew it anyway you like.

Nov 08, 2012 10:58am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

@ricksterd64

Who did Americans choose as their leader – Republicans or Obama? There is no obligation on Obama to do what the unelected Republicans say, or for him to adopt their policies after America rejected them.

How many examples of Republicans compromising can you give from the past 4 years? Try that, and then get back about these compromising, bi-partisan, Republicans living in your imagination.

Nov 08, 2012 11:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
lawgone wrote:

Obama being re-elected means little…Congress makes the laws and controls the purse strings. Nothing has changed in Congress in regard to which party controls the Senate and which party controls the House. Obama is stuck and can do nothing for at least another 2 years. He will have to come to a compromise with the Republicans if wants to get anything done, its just that simple, if he refuses to compromise his only choice will be to sit and twiddle his thumbs. Looking at the Presidential election results it shows that the country is deeply divided, almost right down the middle.

Nov 08, 2012 12:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BillDexter wrote:

Abulafiah, now would be a very good time for Democrats to demonstrate HOW this model will work when everybody is on board. You did not answer my question. I know it is hyperbole to ask but within an answer lies our Nation’s future. You would win everybody over if somehow, Democrats could construct a working model – a microcosm – of what you intend to bring on line in an all-or-nothing national policy. My question is: will you (Democrats who find us Republicans uncompromising) agree to this? We will agree NOT to participate in your smarter America public social policy efforts if we can stop paying income taxes. In other words, we would not be eligible for Obamacare or welfare or WIC or Social Security disability. We would be left to find our own solutions within the private sector WITHOUT government regulation. However, we would keep the money we earn in the private sector. Think about it. Wouldn’t that be the perfect way to prove you are right? Wouldn’t those who agree with you flourish while the stupid conservatives look over and say “gee, I sure was wrong!”

Perhaps a realistic experiment is already starting in California. One has been under way for quite some time in the Nation of Greece. They both really are a very large microcosm of the Democrat’s model. Would it be fair to ask for them to do their wonderful work WITHOUT Federal tax revenue paid by citizens of other states or Nations? That would be the true test. SHOW how social programs can be made sustainable by the benefit that they provide without taking revenue away from others. EVERYBODY will see how right you are and how wrong I am and President Obama will go down as the greatest President of all time.

Nov 08, 2012 12:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
yubamary wrote:

Abulafiah, How about if all republicans stop paying taxes and you open up the border and grant amniesty to all who come. The President only won half the country and not by a landslide. He won yes but that doesn’t mean he will be known as the best President ever. He is supposed to be the President for all. And this is supposed to be equal for all, so why should the rich pay more. They pay what the tax code says they should pay.
If you know anyone who comes from a socialist country you would know that the poor get poorer because you can only give so much until there is no more to give.
Here in California they just passed another tax. It’s supposed to be for schools but you know what in another two years they will be asking for more money for schools because they will use the money for something else. I don’t even have children in public school but I have to pay more taxes. I wish they would go to the voucher system then I could send my children to school and only pay with my voucher instead of taxes plus tutition.
I really like Decters idea of not paying taxes if your a Republican. If you feel our party should have no say how the taxes are spent then we should not have to pay. We could create our own Society built on a business model.

Nov 08, 2012 3:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

@texas100, you say ‘Receiving less than half of all votes cast, is not a Mandate’, once again another factually challenged rightie, Obama did win more than 50% of the popular vote. It pretty dam easy to find but here is one site for you…

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/election-map-2012/president/

Nov 08, 2012 4:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
4ngry4merican wrote:

BillDexter wrote: “Perhaps a realistic experiment is already starting in California… Would it be fair to ask for them to do their wonderful work WITHOUT Federal tax revenue paid by citizens of other states?”

Wrong again. California pays about $314 trillion in federal taxes and only receives about $260 trillion in federal spending. So, as is the case in most “blue states”, they are subsidizing the “red states” and not vice versa.

Nov 08, 2012 5:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

@BillDexter

Now, having lost another election, would be a good time for Republicans to demonstrate that they can get on board with Americans and do something useful for a change. You do not win a battle and then invite the defeated party to call the shots.

Even though the *winner* is under no obligation to compromise woth the loser, Obama tried it anyway. It got him nowhere because Republicans are incapable of compromise.

I asked you to provide examples of Republicans showing a willingness to compromise. You are umable to provide any, which proves my point.

Nov 08, 2012 7:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
debbieirene wrote:

I did not vote for the President the first time nor did I vote for him the second time. I figured that he had 4 yrs., to clean things up & I did not see that so why would I vote for him again. But it is what it is. He is still our President. I am scared due to the fact I get SSDI for a incurable disease with 2 implants.I had worked all my life & tried to work even after I got sick. But I am very worried about the Health Care Reform. It scares me to death. I have seveal wonderful doctors, that has kept me out of a wheel-chair,got me back off of a cane. But I am very scared about my insurance. My husband works, but his insurance is an 80/20 with a $2000.00; for each of us.Which this is my primary & medicare is my secondary.If the President would take away my primary, we are sunk.My husband does not make that much money & we get by day to day.
I pray President Obama does the right thing & not cut medicare millions of dollars. We all need to have insurance, whether it is double insurance or physican start writing this 20% off.
But Mr.President I pray for God to guide you send you the right answers that you need to run this country. This is a hard job & I hope you do better this time.
Good Luck & God Bless.

Nov 09, 2012 10:39am EST  --  Report as abuse
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