As China enters new era, how much of Mao will stay?

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DeanMJackson wrote:

The article reads, “Today, speculation about whether it is poised to finish the job has cast a spotlight on one of the most emotive debates simmering inside the party – how much of Mao can it erase without undermining its authority.”

The authority of the Chinese Communist Party will be present even in the near future AFTER the fraudulent collapse of the Chinese Communist government, which will be the next major disinformation operation within the “Long-Range Policy” (the last major disinformation operation was the fraudulent collapse of the USSR), the “new” strategy all Communist nations signed onto as the only credible strategy to defeat the West with.

Until the real liberation of China takes place, Mao will always be there in the shadows via the “new” strategy he and other Communist leaders/strategists helped develop back in the late 1950s:

“Since at least the early 1970s, the Communist party of China has been poised to create a spectacular but controlled “democratization” at any appropriate time. The party had by then spent two decades consolidating its power, building a network of informants and agents that permeate every aspect of Chinese life, both in the cities and in the countryside. Government control is now so complete that it will not be seriously disturbed by free speech and democratic elections; power can now be exerted through the all-pervasive but largely invisible infrastructure of control. A transition to an apparently new system, using dialectical tactics, is now starting to occur.” — Playing the China Card (The New American, Jan. 1, 1991).

Nov 06, 2012 4:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
dae wrote:

I don’t quite follow. Remaking China into one of the world’s superpowers, with robust economic growth by anyone’s standards, the modernization of society, and unprecedented personal freedoms should be enough to legitimize any government. The problems China faces, environmental degradation, corruption, nepotism, income inequality are endemic throughout the world. They are not restricted to China. By those criteria no government on Earth is legitimate. China is doing much better than nearly all other countries in break-neck economic development lifting 100s of millions out of poverty and establishing a gigantic middle class as large as the total population of the US. It has gone from an agrarian to an urban society in one generation. Now it is beginning to address environmental, social and economic justice concerns. I say kudos to the Chinese for what they’ve accomplished and are poised to accomplish in the future.

Nov 06, 2012 5:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
trasisi wrote:

LOLOLOLOL!!! @dae, go back to censoring your people man. it doesn’t work in the rest of the world and it is BLATANTLY obvious you write entries like that your single-party govt leaders. yes, there is corruption outside of china. no, china isn’t a bastion of freedom. sorry. that’s called reality. i know plain english with facts that weren’t made up by the powerful can be difficult to understand, but can you follow the logic that a govt that is bought and sold at all levels is not going to be considered legitimate or are you going to censor me because i don’t follow the will of the party of Mao? you know, the guy who ensured the death of 40-70 MILLION people which is equivalent to the number of jews HITLER killed. be proud of that leader bro, and censor the living daylights out of your free brothers back home.

Nov 06, 2012 7:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Barnick wrote:

@Trasisi, that doesn’t mean that China didn’t lift hundreds of millions out of poverty, or kick started their economy to become the world’s second largest. China must be doing something right.

Yes, there is also strict censorship in China, but who is to say that there is not censorship anywhere else in the world? You have no way to tell what is censored and what is not censored. Who knows if the elections we have in the US really mean anything at all? The media might only tell you what you think you want to hear.

Also if you “know plain english” start acting like it and use proper grammar and etiquette. YELLING ON THE INTERNET and improper grammar weakens your credibility.

Nov 06, 2012 7:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Pterosaur wrote:

If China were able to bring the corruption problem under control, China would have at least two decades of 8%+ growth, which will make China the main engine of growth for the World while the US, Europe, and Japan are struggling from their own debt issues.

Good luck, China. Good luck to all of us.

Nov 06, 2012 8:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
WeWereWallSt wrote:

“If China were able to bring the corruption problem under control”…

What’s the plan for this, a mass-suicide of the 80 million unelected gangsters who have been stealing from the rest forever? If so, we agree: Good luck, China!

Nov 07, 2012 7:33am EST  --  Report as abuse
CatGarfield wrote:

@WeWereWallSt
I believe vast majority of the 80 million CCP members are good, clean and honest(organisations or enterprises always select honest members or employees, CCP is not exceptional). otherwise, why are they supported by most of chinese? CCP will settle their corruption problem in their own way.

Nov 07, 2012 7:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

China is not lifting people out of poverty. Most of the Chinese are still living in rampant poverty.

On GDP per capita/ppp, China ranks 94th in the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita). That is behind below the global average, behind Thailand, behind Malaysia, a long way behind South Korea, and not even in the same league as Japan who ranks 24th. China is even behind Iran (77th)!

Add on the that the huge wealth gap, and the true picture emerges. China is a country full of poverty, existing on below global average wealth, ruled by a small group of very rich people. In fact, 128 million Chines are living on less than $1 a day (http://www.indexmundi.com/china/population_below_poverty_line.html).

The measure of this is the GINI coefficient, which for China is so bad that the government has refused to release the figure for the past 11 years. http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-01-19/economy/30788275_1_income-gap-china-reform-foundation-gini-coefficient. It is independently estimated to be around 0.48, compared with 0.25 for Scandinavian countries.

Making the problem even worse is that China is dishonest about growth. China is the only country on the planet that measures GDP by production instead of income. Everything the Chinese manufacture is added to GDP – *whether it is sold or not*. And who values all this unsold stock/newly built infrastructure? The Chinese!

It also means that foreign manufacturers in China are counted by the Chinese as GDP, even though the profits from, say, Honda ultimately end up in Japan. If a landslide destroys a village, rebuilding the village adds to China’s GDP.

This is like you or I knocking together 10 garden benches in the back of the garage, deciding we think they are worth $1000 each, and then borrowing $10,000 ‘secured’ against the unsold garden benches. I have seen this at first hand while working in HK. PRC ‘businessmen’ coming over wanting to borrow substantial sums secured against factories. They had the deeds, and valuations, but research found that the actual factories didn’t exist. They weren’t built. They were just plans…

That is pretty much how the Chinese economy is: numbers backed by nothing more solid than hopes and intentions. The nearest equivalent is Greece.

This is not the Chinese government lifting China out of poverty at all. it is the CCP making themselves extremely wealthy while the mass of the population lives in grinding poverty, scraping a living as subsistence farmers, rf working for a pittance in a factory in a cancer village.

Nov 08, 2012 3:43am EST  --  Report as abuse
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