Marijuana legalization victories could be short-lived

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neonative wrote:

“I inhaled. That was the point.” President Obama

Nov 07, 2012 9:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
WorldsoSmall wrote:

Why can’t bureaucrats in government understand that marijuana is NOT a Class 1 drug and that enforcement of all laws against this as an industry is an exercise in futility costing billions is valuable resources best used elsewhere. Either legalize marijuana at the federal level or follow Thailand’s extreme drug extreme laws of zero tolerance for all drugs. Execute the manufacturers and dealers and mandatory prison sentences for users. Or focus your attention on the elimination of hardcore drugs. Lying to validate its classification is not justice.

Nov 07, 2012 10:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Valorie wrote:

What would illegals do in this situation where a LAW WAS PASSED and STILL the U.S. Gov. was going to round them up and throw them in jail?? Why they would get together about 10,000 strong MARCH ON WASHINGTON carrying signs saying ARREST US!!!!!!!!!!!! And that’s what I would do if I lived in Washington or Colorado. What is the poiknt of State’s rights or having something on the ballot if it’s not going to be respected?? Are they also going to go to Maine and Maryland and bust up gay weddings????? If not WHY NOT?????~~~

Nov 07, 2012 11:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
VahidXiansen wrote:

Reuters, get your facts straight! The feds recently announced they would not pursue California users and the only time they sent threatening letters was because certain dispensaries where located outside their district.

Nov 07, 2012 11:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
My_Opinion_7 wrote:

They should ban aspirin since it is a gateway drug. I’ll bet every person that has ever smoked pot has taken aspirin.

Nov 07, 2012 11:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
james0tucson wrote:

Former advisor, huh? How badly do you have to F-up to get fired by President Obama, Mr. Sabet, who is not an official _anything_ now.

Nov 07, 2012 11:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
joell58 wrote:

If marijuana was a gateway drug our last three presidents would be heroin addicts and all three would have never made it to a second term.

Nov 07, 2012 11:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Labrynth wrote:

How is this putting teens at risk? It will be way harder for teens to get marijuana. I just graduated from high school and marijuana was and still is everywhere. I could get it practically anytime I wanted even conveniently delivered to my house. Getting your hands on alcohol was a way different story because you needed to know someone with a fake ID. Which were rare. Or some one who was 21 to buy the beer. Kids die form alcohol poisoning not marijuana It’s time to rethink our laws and make more profit for our public schools, instead of wasting tax payers money arresting people for small possessions of cannabis.

Nov 08, 2012 2:33am EST  --  Report as abuse
Javahead wrote:

It will come down to states rights. I say, let the Colorado and Washington governors call out the National Gard, to back up their points. Let the National Gard greet the DEA. the heck with the LAW! 40 years of “the law” have gotten us how far in debt, and how many in prison, how many dead??? Call out the gard, hell call out the Minute Men! Stop the DEA at the border, tell them, you have no Jurisdiction here! leave, before you get hurt, like a Yankee in a Mobile bar fight.

Nov 08, 2012 6:00am EST  --  Report as abuse
jeff81201 wrote:

The so-called “War on Drugs” is a disaster. Folks will always do drugs, and of course the cops will drink lots of beer and booze and smoke the pot they confiscate from kids.

We simply can’t afford to apprehend, prosecute and incarcerate everybody. It costs tens of thousands of dollars per conviction, $25,000 / year for incarceration, and who knows how much in lost tax revenue because a convict can’t work while incarcerated and has a harder time getting a job after release.

If we took 1/8 of the money we spend on criminalization and instead spent it on education, prevention and assistance, we’d get a better result – less or the same drug use, citizens not marred by a criminal charge, and the other $7/8 could go elsewhere or not be spent at all – after all, we do have a huge deficit.

Healthy folks in a healthy society won’t abuse drugs just because they are legal. Drug laws are career security for DEA agents and corrections officers. They are corporate welfare for private prison companies. They foster corruption within the police. They tax our treasury when we have more important things to spend money on.

The War on Drugs is just a plain bad deal.

Nov 08, 2012 6:57am EST  --  Report as abuse
Paulpot wrote:

So the feds would have two sue two states where the initiatives passed by solid margins while there was also another state added to the list of 17 medical marijuana states and D.C. and several cities also decriminalized marijuana and every county in Massachusetts that had a non-binding ballot on marijuana legalization said yes. Beto O’rourke and Elizabeth Warren among others win office while supporting marijuana.
People are fed up with the drug war and they are no longer afraid to say so at the ballot box and it’s completely obvious that support is only growing from here and we are talking about the President who inhaled.
He is really going to take a blow to his popularity if he does sue.
I think the feds will attempt some compromise but that will do nothing to deter other states and nations dealing with debt and violence to follow suit. The game is up.
War is Over!

Nov 08, 2012 7:02am EST  --  Report as abuse
Jose3 wrote:

The feds still have that pesky part of the Constitution that says, “powers not granted to the federal government by the Constitution, nor prohibited to the States, are reserved to the States or the people.”

Alcohol prohibition ended the same way and that required a constitutional amendment, this does not since it was unconstitutional in the beginning.

Nov 08, 2012 7:17am EST  --  Report as abuse
Overcast451 wrote:

Of course – the Alcohol, Pharmaceutical and Drug testing industries must be completely beside themselves in fear right now.

Alcohol has to go on KILLING 40,000 a year on the roads, we NEED that.

Pharma has to keep ramming opiates down everyone’s throat – for a tidy profit!

And Drug Testing has to keep fear mongering to sustain their cash flow.

It’s all about the $$$$$$

Nov 08, 2012 8:38am EST  --  Report as abuse
Overcast451 wrote:

OH and this is big government folks – welcome to even more of it.

You voted for it – but government says no – corporate profits must be our first consideration above and beyond any personal rights.

Nov 08, 2012 8:39am EST  --  Report as abuse
dZeRp wrote:

The illusion of “freedom” is fading quickly.

Nov 08, 2012 9:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
GSRyder wrote:

USA history lesson, 1st bussiness set up in the americas . Sugar, to feed the RUM bussiness based in New England . Fact one . 2nd bussiness set up in the americas, tobacco . Fact two . 3rd bussiness set up in the americas . The system of indenture . For over a century the US congress paid “subsities” to the tobacco industry . The tobacco owners profit margin was maintained by the taxed population . Because congress deprived the tobacco growers of “profits”, by ending slavery . Old money runs this insanity, and will forever fight the peoples rights . Smoke one with a neighor…

Nov 08, 2012 9:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
SickSaint wrote:

Each of our President’s for the last 2 decades have notably ingested MJ and other drugs, yet they have led/lead our country, have access to nuclear weapons that could annihilate the world, and dictate the movement of U.S. Marines and other branches of our Military. Any person trying to be a local, state, or federal police officer will have a difficult time getting sworn in if they admitted drug use. How can a person be denied to patrol our streets having acknowledged drug use, but a person can become President of the ‘Free World’ having admitted to drug use? It’s ironic, contradictory, defamatory to voters, and outright ridiculous. If President Bush or Obama were caught as teens smoking pot, they would never have been President; they would never have gone to Ivy League schools without paying for it out of pocket. I just don’t get it, and I think Obama needs to be reminded of this fact day in and day out until he is forced to acknowledge it and speak to the American people about it for more than a few seconds on air. He needs to have a discussion about it, and he needs to explain to grown adults how he had the ability to change his life around via free will and a support structure, yet, how he believes other people do not have the right to do so. I want to hear that discussion.

Nov 08, 2012 9:37am EST  --  Report as abuse
jaham wrote:

Wow, so Obama really isn’t socially liberal…or only when it buys him votes?

Yes, gay’s should be able to marry – that’s their prerogative.

Yes, a woman should have choice over abortion – that’s her prerogative.

No, you can’t enjoy a marijuana cigarette – even though it’s your prerogative.

Nov 08, 2012 10:39am EST  --  Report as abuse
sylvan wrote:

I hate to be the spoiler, but I am pretty sure that US citizens smoke weed in every state every day. If the revenuers don’t want a cut, and want to keep the profits in the hands of gangs, I guess they can; but we all know how this story eventually ends. So sooner or later, this prohibition era will join the alcohol prohibition era, and the old men will become insignificant enough that they can fight the wave. This GOP thing was just the first of the messages of the coming wave.

Nov 08, 2012 11:16am EST  --  Report as abuse
sylvan wrote:

Please note posters, the Reuters expert is a former drug war czar, which these guys are always political hacks, usually of the hard right variety. The Federal government has not taken a position yet on pot legalization by the smartest states. The 1st Obama administration had to be further to the right on pot due to cretins like Dan Issa. These GOPers had a sock inserted into their blowholes, so I am expecting a further enlightenment the President’s 2nd term. After all, Democrats believe in evolution. Let’s hope Colorado’s new laws yield a fiscal success from taxes and tourism. Amsterdam once held a mighty draw for the young. Maybe pot legalization will be the new gambling, the new source of revenue for cash-strapped states. Pot smokers would be more than happy to pay new taxes.

Nov 08, 2012 11:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
Jose3 wrote:

If Romney was president we would be bombing Iran and declaring martial law, but he’s not. Instead Obama is looking at a war with Mexico.

The Mexican drug cartel (aka the Mexican government) is pressuring Obama to ignore the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution and enforce “federal law.” If marijuana legalization holds up it would be economically catastrophic to Mexico.

Nov 08, 2012 1:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
lemonfemale wrote:

What would Obama need voters for?
One might look at Alaska. Alaska legalized possession of four ounces or less of marijuana for personal use in 1975 in Ravin v State where the court held that such possession is guaranteed by the right to privacy in our state constitution. State police will not arrest people for pot though the Feds can do so. Of course, we don’t have the shops. One friend had her pot plants stolen and called the police and they came out the same as for any other theft.
I do not see Obama having a problem with it, given his history. No offense meant thereby; I would have voted “Yes” myself.

Nov 08, 2012 3:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse

“This is a symbolic victory for (legalization) advocates, but it will be short-lived,” Kevin Sabet, a former adviser to the Obama administration’s drug czar, told reporters.

“They are facing an uphill battle with implementing this, in the face of … presidential opposition and in the face of federal enforcement opposition,” Sabet said.

What arrogance. These are the exact type individuals that have caused us enough grief with this ridiculous policy already, those that put THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE and the 10th AMENDMENT behind their own personal agendas and hysteria and deceit riddled policies of failure and waste. What a clown.

Tell us again, Reuters….WHY are you quoting these ex-officials and giving them an elevated opinion? And of course, it goes without saying that past drug Czars (at least they got their title in line with their actions….monarchs with little regard to personal liberty) will always be the biggest prohibitionists, after all they were the once leading this little parade of ignorance and deception).

Thanks to Colorado and Washington, it has now become impossible to carry on with this farce….the hypocrisy and disregard to freedoms granted by the very constitution this government was founded upon have been exposed, people will not tolerate this any longer.

Cannabis Prohibition is surly as dead as alcohol prohibition…some people might just not realize it quite yet!

Nov 08, 2012 4:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Jose3 wrote:

I would not give up yet. The government has ways of stopping movements like starting a war and declaring martial law.

Short of that, we still need to fight to see it through.

Nov 08, 2012 9:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Jose3 wrote:

What’s the alternative, 75 more years of increasing the prison population? We already have the highest per capita incarceration rate in the world.

Nov 08, 2012 9:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ctchills wrote:

If you don’t think alcohol is worse you must be seeing it the way they have tried to tell you mostly false dangers Like a movie filmed called Reefer Madness that was made at the time they made Marijuana illegal they show people smoking then going around killing people. Gave it a bad rap but it almost funny. Or its a gateway Drug when i was in school first thing i was introduced to was cigarettes and haven’t been able to quite. I dont smoke marijuana but when your allowing voters to say that assisted suicide is ok which is crazy even if your terminally ill. But you can’t decide to put something in your lungs. Maybe if the person so terminally ill smoked some was given some medical marijuana maybe it would help with some of there illness

Nov 09, 2012 4:52am EST  --  Report as abuse
Everybodysane wrote:

The feds jumped on Arizona’s immigration law and they better jump on this, if not they are admitting there is a double standard for law enforcement

Nov 09, 2012 1:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
brotherkenny4 wrote:

The old sad people (like those at Reuters) are dying out. That’s not going to stop them from being bitter and nasty. They are not bright enough to understand what just happened and what is coming. I just hope they refrain from violence. They will certain appeal to fear, and lie some more, but we already know that is their technique.

By by old sad people.

Nov 09, 2012 2:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jimmy6p wrote:

The Feds need to find another source for their black ops funding. Their nonsense has gone on far too long.

Nov 09, 2012 6:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Jeremy510 wrote:

If said “anti-drug groups” genuinely wanted “to protect young people from harm,” they might want to consider advocating better parenting, but what they really ought to do is work to end prohibition and replace it with regulation. Under the current regime it’s a lot easier for a teenager to get an eight of weed than a pack of Camels. Ever wondered why that is?

Nov 09, 2012 9:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Jeremy510 wrote:

@WorldsoSmall: They won’t understand this not because they can’t but because they don’t want to. Have you heard of the “Bootleggers and Baptists” during the Prohibition? Look it up, it describes the current status quo perfectly.

Nov 09, 2012 9:05pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlanRLight wrote:

State law conflicts with Federal law, Federal law conflicts with the Constitution.

There was a reason why Prohibition required a Constitutional Amendment.

Unfortunately, the issue is not about the law, but what the men with guns will do. I wish Colorado, Washington, and Montana success in their various assertions of the sovereignty of their respective States and Peoples.

Nov 10, 2012 9:03am EST  --  Report as abuse

Tobacco is legal and Nicotine is an insectice, look it up in the NIOSH Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards. Nicotine is about three times as toxic as rattle snake venom and just as toxic as aresnic. Nicotine is illegal for use on food crops in the United States because it is too toxic.

The FDA and the AMA are wrong to keep Marijuana illegal. The AMA believes it will lose profits if Marijuana is legal. The Tobacco Industry feels the same way. The AMA and the Tobacco Industry have lobbyist.

The Drug War is not working because Marijuana is illegal.

Alcohol and Tobacco cause more pain and suffering in the United States than any other drugs. They should be legal and they are.

Marijuana should not be regulated. Anyone should be able to grow it. Companies that produce it for sale should have their products taxed like Tobacco is taxed. The same tax rate would be fine for a start.

Nov 10, 2012 9:30am EST  --  Report as abuse
wootendw wrote:

The ‘Federal’ government does not have the Constitutional power to outlaw the possession or use of pot nor does it have the power to prohibit the intra-state trade of anything, including pot. The fact that it passes and and ‘enforces’ such unconstitutional laws does not make it actions constitutional, much less moral.

Nov 10, 2012 3:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Tiu wrote:

Bringing back prohibition on alcohol would be another good way to ensure a regular supply of money for the criminal networks.

Nov 10, 2012 3:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Kevin Sabet is an out of control prohibitionist. He’s telling you what he hopes happens. I think people like Sabet are in for a rude awakening. We know you have lied for years about Cannabis and you either have no understanding of the truth or you are too stubborn to accept it.

Nov 10, 2012 6:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse

This is a perfect example of the federal government ignoring the voice of the people. It is that simple. The time is coming when the feds are going to learn a hard lesson in who really should be running things. That is the change we need and it won’t come from the 2 parties in charge now nor will it be helped along by the media you all blindly believe. While we waste our time yelling at a wall about what makes sense what we need to do is tear down the wall.

Nov 11, 2012 10:37am EST  --  Report as abuse
usa.wi.vet.4q wrote:

Ok so we will enforce this law but not the immigration laws? Such clear leadership coming from Washington. If we want them to follow a law they won’t. If we want them to stop following a law they won’t. If we want them to do their job they won’t. Pretty common theme coming from out of touch rich Washington. I think I hear lobbyists trying to hand you more money for your vote?

Nov 11, 2012 10:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
StigTW wrote:

So fed level would block legitimate sources (and taxed sources) allowing the trade to continue via illegitimate means = no taxes + crime. Seems pretty illogical to me.

Nov 11, 2012 3:05pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DrtyBottoms wrote:

If only the govt could look at this in the brightest of light… If the govt were to tax the hell out of the sale of Marijuana, they would save a massive amount of money on the “war against drugs,” not only that but we would be able to 86 the national debt in a short amount of time. But then again, its the govt, and why would we want to help ourselves.

Nov 11, 2012 5:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JJudish wrote:

These are the opinions of former agents. Just like their Republican counterparts who are in denial of the election thier ideas are outdated and have been overruled by the voting public. This election has pushed us beyond the tipping point where we can start to put lifestyle choices in perspective.

Nov 11, 2012 5:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BLUEBLOOD wrote:

its time to take this to the supreme court. DR’s can prove that it is far better than booze. Its the art of smoking it that is bad…so just use a vaporizer.

Nov 11, 2012 8:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BioStudies wrote:

If the Obama administration reacts too harshly, it could suffer politically with younger, more left-leaning voters who chose legalization and typically lean Democratic.

STATES RIGHTS IS A FAR RIGHT LEANING IDEA AS IS PROTECTING OUR CONSTITUTION! STOP SPINNING THINGS REUTERS!!!

Nov 11, 2012 8:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BioStudies wrote:

Every single person who is in jail for ANY drug offense is a political prisoner. When you look at it like that we are worse than China. GG

Nov 11, 2012 8:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Dear States,

You are useless. Your ability to govern your citizens independent of the Federal government and the US Constitution was destroyed in 1865. Your Federal overlord showed you then that Might is Right and therefore you are wrong. You have no say in anything and by 1866, your entire structure should have been eliminated. We are, and have been for quite some time a Federal America, not the United States of America. The only purpose the States serve is as a breeding ground for testing potential Federal candidates. Your time is done, so just stop and get over yourselves.

Of course, I would love for a group of States, or even independent Cities to prove me wrong. Till then….

Nov 11, 2012 9:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Single-T wrote:

Let see….there is this little thing called ‘States Rights’. It a part of the constitution of the U.S. “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or the people”
So does Colorado have the right under States Rights or has the constitution been suspended and there are no rights for anyone…

Nov 11, 2012 10:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
LoveJoyOne wrote:

It’s generally accepted that legalizing certain drugs would be the best way to combat organized drug crime. Look what happened during and after prohibition.

As for “protecting” people, the current situation, with uncontrolled substances sold on a black market, is certainly much more dangerous than a controlled marketplace.

Nov 12, 2012 1:20am EST  --  Report as abuse
usagadfly wrote:

The behavior of the Democratic Party is no different than the behavior of the Republican Party on this and on almost all substantive issues.

How can the USA count itself among the so-called “free” nations of the world when it refuses to hold free and open elections? Without a meaningful choice between these two factions, we have a de facto one Party State. Let us have true Representative Government, government in which the people are represented proportionally by opinion. Who cares what convoluted and twisted interpretations of an old and clearly dysfunctional Constitution are used to create a one Party plutocracy? The point is not that old piece of paper. The point is proportional representation in the bodies that rule the country. The point is having rights. Rights cannot be taken away or suspended. That is the definition of a “right”.

The majority of Americans is for individual rights. Give them to us.

Nov 12, 2012 3:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SchWI wrote:

Lets face some facts here:

The War on Drugs has failed, the demand is high and has remained unchagned, the only thing that has changed is preference. Instead of jailing minorities and funding cartels, how about we regulate and tax the stuff. This would create several industires over night along with thousands of jobs. The cartels are not going to survive when someone like Dole or Kraft enters the market.

Nov 12, 2012 5:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DireMouse wrote:

Marijuana leagalization will do great damage to the judge industry, the lawyer industry, the jailor industry, and the mafia industry, all of whom have their pet sheep in Congress; this unholy alliance will not die a peaceful death.

Nov 12, 2012 6:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
stambo2001 wrote:

The government sells drugs. They always have going way, way back to the Chinese Opium Wars. Again, the government sells drugs. If drugs were decriminalized they would lose their illicit value. Understand that. Drugs have value directly because they are illegal.

Once upon a time you could order cocaine, complete with syringe kit, right from the Sears Roebuck catalog.

Cops/lawyers/judges get promotions, politicians get a platform, the media gets headlines, the ‘three letter organizations’ get funding and the prisons get populated all at the expense of the people getting criminal records. Keeping drugs illegal is big, big, big business.

Western civilization has become a scam from one end to the other.

Nov 13, 2012 7:12am EST  --  Report as abuse
Christalynn wrote:

The government has bigger problems to worry about!

Nov 14, 2012 2:40am EST  --  Report as abuse
DWPittelli wrote:

If the feds attempt to prosecute people for purely in-state use or selling of marijuana, I expect we will see juries in these states refuse to convict people for doing what the voters explicitly allowed. Fear of jury nullification may keep the feds from even attempting a prosecution, except for people attempting to smuggle marijuana out of one of these states.

Nov 14, 2012 8:20am EST  --  Report as abuse
elliotstamler wrote:

Societies change socially. Social conservatives being reactionary are infuriated by this. I am a senior citizen and have witnessed these changes. I think the great majority of them have baeen positive. Marijuana is a current issue about which society’s views are changing a I write. American society simply is not going to revert to the Eisenhower era much to the fury of the Family Research Council, etc. The eventual decriminalization of marijuane is inevitable-to not see that is to be hopelessly stubborn in one’s thinking, which is a good definition of social conservatism. Contrary to their unsupported raving, this country is not an immoral, dissolute or depraved country-quite the contrary. This country is and has always been, a changing country. Thank God for that.

Nov 14, 2012 10:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
antigone414 wrote:

So in other words… the voters have spoken and made their wishes known, and even though in that SAME election, they elected the politicians as well… yet those politicians are going to go AGAINST the voters on the marijuana issue while claiming to respect our laws? If they do not plan to honor the will of the voters, then why should we honor the election results that elected those politicians? You can’t just pick and choose which laws to follow. The voters have spoken. Either you obey the voters, or you don’t. But if you go against the wishes of the same voters who elected you, don’t be surprised if you see recalls being initiated. After all, if the politicians have no respect for the voters who elected them, then why should the voters have any respect for the politicians they elected??

Nov 14, 2012 1:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
kspeters wrote:

I want to ask Sabit if he drinks alcohol which is 100 times more addicting. Why do you want to waste our tax dollars on policing marijuana. Don’t be a penny wise and a dollar stupid!!! Marijuana is less harmful than alcohol and cigarettes. If Marijuana is illegal then alcohol should be also.

Nov 14, 2012 1:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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