Republicans push own "fiscal cliff" plan; talks frozen

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KaiH wrote:

Let the tax vacation come to an end. They were meant to be temporary.

Boehner does not look too smart trying to make President Obama responsible for “the largest tax increase in history”. Remember that the original bill is known as the BUSH tax cut, not the Obama tax bill. Sorry Mr. Speaker, you should do better.

Dec 19, 2012 7:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
My_Opinion_7 wrote:

Why is it that the old and disabled get targeted all the time when talks about government spending come up, this is the last group that should be used as pawns.

To all those out there that received or are receiving extended unemployment benefits I hope you realize it was at the expense of seniors and the disabled. Social Security had a two year cost of living freeze during the economic crash while the unemployed got triple the amount of payments.

Now they are talking about more cuts to seniors and the disabled. Why stop there why not just execute everyone 65 and older and all the disabled that should save a few more bucks. Then you can take all the Social Security money and pay for a few more wars.

If you think the seniors and disabled are going to sit back and take it you better think again. These people already don’t have much to live for and you might want to think about adding these groups to the new gun laws you want to change.

Dec 19, 2012 8:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Mott wrote:

You need to watch the PBS Frontline show – The Choice 2012 Video at http://video.pbs.org/video/2288869682 to see how the republicans systematically extended hate-based non-cooperation to the President by getting in the way of every action of progress and dampened his enthusiasm to current level. Both Shameful and Disgusting.

The current outcome being in the same lines of non-cooperation, this shouldn’t be much of a surprise and only shows some insanity in expecting a different outcome from this group.

Dec 19, 2012 8:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Wassup wrote:

Headline rewrite: U.S. Fiscal Cliff (talks?)turn”sour.” Obama threatens veto if Republicans don’t tow the line to his demands. Boehner threatens and does nothing but offer Plan “B” to support his job description. President diverts and ignores direct press question as to him being on vacation and not having addressed the nations problems before in the last four years. That’s all there was folks.

Dec 19, 2012 8:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gunste wrote:

They cannot forgive Obama for spoiling their objective to make him a one term President. Holding a grudge is hardly in the national interest.

Dec 19, 2012 8:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gunste wrote:

They cannot forgive Obama for spoiling their objective to make him a one term President. Holding a grudge is hardly in the national interest.

Dec 19, 2012 8:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gunste wrote:

The way the GOP House membership is acting, the only way out seems to be to “go over the cliff” and then selectively fix a couple of problems.
If this happens, the Republicans will have a hard time to live it down for a few years. Their idea of compromise seems to be: My way or nothing.

Dec 19, 2012 9:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bunker555 wrote:

Boehner is negotiating like the pimp on my street corner. The GOP leadership is a bunch of amateurs getting run all over by our fearless leader. Thank you Tea Party for blowing up the GOP. Would also like to thank Rove, Limbaugh, Preibus, and Norquist for there tireless efforts in destroying the party of Lincoln.

Dec 19, 2012 10:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

Somebody should tell Boehner that he has already lost. If nothing is done, Obama gets his tax increase.

Boehner is basically asking Obama to take less tax increase by giving the Republicans another extension on the Bush tax cuts for everybody earning under $1m, and pretending it is an ‘offer’. Why should Obama accept less than the fiscal cliff gives him? That is not offering anything.

Dec 19, 2012 11:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:

I really suspect Obama is secretly in bed with the Republicans and will grudgingly take Plan B – “to not bring the country down” – while he toasts to the Boner that all went according to plan.

We will see if Obama is real or not. Yet again he has the power to stand firm. Will he – I seriously doubt it. Matter of fact I bet he will not.

Dec 19, 2012 11:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

Abulafiah and Butch..you guys really should google for the DETAILS of plan B..it’s more heinous than you could possibly imagine. It’s worse than smoke and mirrors.

Dec 19, 2012 11:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JoeObserver wrote:

Boehner shouldn’t give in. Fed’s money printing press must stop. Adding more debts will ruin the future generations.

Dec 19, 2012 11:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

JoeObserver: I agree that Bohner shouldn’t “give in.” That way we can let the sequestration kick in and all the Bush tax cuts will expire as well as some much needed cuts to defense. Then Congress can give the Middle Class the additional tax relief they deserve.

Not only is Bohner unable to lead, but he can’t even govern. None of the Republicans can anymore. It’s time the country got rid of that useless dinosaur party and replace it with people who can reason and have common sense. A person should be required to believe in science in order to qualify for running for office.

Dec 20, 2012 12:41am EST  --  Report as abuse
123456951 wrote:

For a number of months I was not really in favor of the Tea Party. I still have my reservations about them because of their big military ideas, but I am beginning to realize that they may be the only political group in Washington who have any true convictions. Democrats and main stream Republicans are all smoke and mirrors and status quo. Just think about all of the taxes that we all pay, federal, state and local. Start by really looking at your pay stub. Add to that, property taxes, gas taxes, sales taxes, and all of the hidden taxes that we pay indirectly including all corporate taxes. Add to that all of the fees(another kind of tax) that we pay. It is time for government, especially the federal government, to get a lot smaller. Those of you here who come down in favor of either Republicans(gigantonormous military and the rich) or Democrats(gigantonormous welfare) need to read some of Thomas Jeffersons famous quotes. They are easy to find on the internet. I dare many of you to look them up and read them.

Dec 20, 2012 12:53am EST  --  Report as abuse
123456951 wrote:

For a number of months I was not really in favor of the Tea Party. I still have my reservations about them because of their big military ideas, but I am beginning to realize that they may be the only political group in Washington who have any true convictions. Democrats and main stream Republicans are all smoke and mirrors and status quo. Just think about all of the taxes that we all pay, federal, state and local. Start by really looking at your pay stub. Add to that, property taxes, gas taxes, sales taxes, and all of the hidden taxes that we pay indirectly including all corporate taxes. Add to that all of the fees(another kind of tax) that we pay. It is time for government, especially the federal government, to get a lot smaller. Those of you here who come down in favor of either Republicans(gigantonormous military and the rich) or Democrats(gigantonormous welfare) need to read some of Thomas Jeffersons famous quotes. They are easy to find on the internet. I dare many of you to look them up and read them.

Dec 20, 2012 12:53am EST  --  Report as abuse
johnnyboone wrote:

I pray that President Obama does not negotiate away the earned retirement benefits of those of us on Social Security. People earning over $250,000 per year, which is $20,830 PER MONTH should not have a priority tax rate at the expense of us who have already worked for a lifetime.

Dec 20, 2012 1:26am EST  --  Report as abuse
sjfella wrote:

What’s everyone yelling about? Isn’t this the very government the majority re-elected? You wanted it, you got it.

Dec 20, 2012 1:49am EST  --  Report as abuse
bates148 wrote:

@sjfella It baffles me why people don’t understand that. Folks voted for the status quo and they got it. What’s new here?

Dec 20, 2012 2:04am EST  --  Report as abuse
AdamSmith wrote:

I agree with KaiH, Mott, and gunste.

Let the Bush tax vacation come to an end. They were meant to be temporary.

The President was re-elected. He should act that way.

Dec 20, 2012 2:05am EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

bates148: Let’s be honest, it’s only the status quo because the Republicans failed to get the message the people sent on election day. Get them out of the way and we can finally move forward again. And consider the alternative. Romney and the Republicans only care about wealth and power. The Middle Class is just hanging on by a thread as it is. Romney and his party would have cut that thread with an axe. As we see every day, The GOP doesn’t give two hoots about the Middle Class. Obama is trying to do what he can for the Middle Class against unprecedented opposition.

Dec 20, 2012 2:51am EST  --  Report as abuse
chris87654 wrote:

Irrational???? Boner still doesn’t see the fractured GOP is approaching irrelevant.

Dec 20, 2012 3:05am EST  --  Report as abuse
joe10082 wrote:

I have never in my 67 year life time in American witnessed so much incompetence by our Congress representatives and our presidential administration. They obviously have never learned the meaning of fiscal compromise in favor of the needs of a struggling middle class.There are 26,000,000 million unemployed middle class and 23,0000,0000 Americans living below the poverty level.Does Congress care, as reflected by aggressive actions to correct these serious issues? Hell No. The don’t obviously care. Does the President care? No. His problem and few people know it is that he struggles just to find his way to the White HOUSE bathroom on a daily basis!His leadership track record is a joke played upon the dead and specifically 18 veterans who commit suicide every 80 minutes each day because the All Volunteer concept was not designed for long term warfare.6,500 soldiers committed suicide last year alone!and many more will take their lives abused as they are by multiple combat tours.

Dec 20, 2012 3:24am EST  --  Report as abuse
EthicsIntl wrote:

Mr. Obama has proven to be a much stronger & intelligent leader than the Republican neocons,Wall Street, & the Elite could ever imagine. They all lost their bet on Romney, the super-thief-idiot, another Boy Bush that they wanted to put up for president. The Bush dynasties gave the final blows and destroyed the legitimate Republican party.

President Obama does not have to lift a finger, the tax breaks expire automatically and that is good news for the middle class, simple.
The Fiscal Cliff is another stupid Republican propaganda.

Dec 20, 2012 3:45am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

JoeObserver wrote:
“Boehner shouldn’t give in.”

You say that as though Boehner is relevant, or has some power. The right-wing just don’t understand that they have lost already.

If Boehner ‘gives in’, the preferential tax rates for the wealthy end. If Boehner doesn’t ‘give in’, everybody goes over the cliff and the preferential tax rates for the wealthy end.

It doesn’t matter what Boehner does. It makes no difference whether he gives in or not. He is irrelevant.

Dec 20, 2012 4:37am EST  --  Report as abuse
GeeOPee wrote:

Good lets go off the fiscal cliff. Tired of being held hostage by Republicans.

Dec 20, 2012 4:53am EST  --  Report as abuse
Spruce wrote:

Boehner tipped his hand when he set the threshold of his Plan B at 1 million dollars. He truly is on the side of the rich. I also maintain that he will try to force the middle class to pay for two wars, and the failed trickle down policies of the past 30 years.

Dec 20, 2012 5:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

I typically disagree with just about everything that bates148 posts. But he’s right on his last comment. How in hell do you vote back into office, virtually in toto, a sitting Congress with a 4% approval rating? Many of these SAME jack wagons have been in office for decades. By voting ALL those incumbents back into office you sent them the message..”Good Job!”. Or did you think that it WASN’T the incumbent from your state that was causing the problem? Last election cycle I voted against EVERY incumbent..regardless of political affiliation. This is what happens when you vote party line. Einstein’s definition of insanity is alive and well among the U.S. voting public. If you voted for an incumbent in the last election cycle. YOU are the problem.

Dec 20, 2012 5:32am EST  --  Report as abuse
JoeObserver wrote:

OHH ..Obama now threatens the Republicans. This not democracy then.

Dec 20, 2012 5:39am EST  --  Report as abuse
.lollyikens wrote:

I am so tired of this soap opera, will be glad when it is over.

Dec 20, 2012 6:14am EST  --  Report as abuse
Missourimule wrote:

The only Federal income tax that makes sense is an across-the-board, flat-rate tax that everyone pays — all citizens pay the same rate, regardless of income. Therefore, the rich pay a lot, the poor pay a little, and everyone knows what taxes are about. With the current system, the wealthier 50% of the country pay almost all the taxes, and the poorer half complain.

Dec 20, 2012 6:40am EST  --  Report as abuse
jw_collins wrote:

Comments? We have a government guided by a moron (Boehner), influenced by a racist (McConnell), cajoled by a fool (Eric Cantor), in deep debt, in deadlock, frozen in its self importance, devoid of statesmanship (Graham), lost in personal ambitions (most of ‘em), addicted to spending somebody else’s money, and always anxious to resort to war (McCain). Not even a resounding election result seems adequate to shake these guys to their senses. We the people are beginning to get pissed off.

Dec 20, 2012 6:58am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

Missourimule wrote:
“The only Federal income tax that makes sense is an across-the-board, flat-rate tax”

In what way, specifically, does that make sense?

Dec 20, 2012 7:00am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

JoeObserver wrote:
“OHH ..Obama now threatens the Republicans. This not democracy then.”

Obama vetoes to date – 2. GWB vetoes – 11. Daddy Bush vetoes – 29.

What were you saying about Democracy?

Dec 20, 2012 7:05am EST  --  Report as abuse
PKFA wrote:

@My_Opinion_7
Why is it my responsibility to take care of the old and disabled? Don’t they have family? Don’t they belong to a church? Aren’t there private charities? I’d like for someone to present to me a logical reason why my hard-earned dollars, time I spent working instead of doing something else, should be taken away from me by force and given to the old and disabled. By what right? Please justify this theft.

Dec 20, 2012 7:55am EST  --  Report as abuse
wrote:

That old wino, John Boehner, calls the president’s refusal to raise the income threshold to $1,000,000 a year “irrational” and “bizarre” ? Clearly, he hasn’t been sober enough or honest enough throughout these negotiations to admit that his (so-called) Plan B would exempt practically EVERYONE from the tax increase that we so sorely need if we are ever to start paying down the national debt. A pox on him and the special interest thugs he answers to !!!

Dec 20, 2012 9:31am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

@PKFA

The whole point of society is mutual help and mutual responsibility. If you don’t want to help your countrymen, if you are not willing to be part of the team, if you resent thinking of anyone but yourself, then you don’t deserve to live in that society.

Dec 20, 2012 10:02am EST  --  Report as abuse
libertyville wrote:

This president is going over the edge. His obsession for going over the fiscal cliff to maximize tax revenues has blinded him to what it means to the country.

Dec 20, 2012 10:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
Bekaar wrote:

To PKFA: you must have been borne a full adult, with a high school diploma and college degree in hand. Apparently, we the Senior’s didn’t pay any taxes to send you to school, your parents didn’t get any tax breaks because you were never a child … Do you get my drift. I could go on if you don’t.

Dec 20, 2012 10:49am EST  --  Report as abuse
Raelyn wrote:

Mercy! There are FIVE (5) flags behind Boehner in this picture. He is getting desperate — he used to always pose in front of just one (1) flag — as if the flags gave him credence — he is naught but a showman trying to impress everybody while he wrecks the country.

Dec 20, 2012 11:41am EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

PKFA: Abulafiah and Bekaar are right. Your post exposes your numbing selfishness and greed. As typical with attitudes on the right, you want everything that benefits YOU–built and paid for by past generations–but when it comes time for you to do YOUR part, suddenly it’s not your problem. You want to keep everything you’ve gained by living in American society for yourself. That’s the quickest and surest path to the demise of a once prosperous and thriving American society: Get yours and burn the bridges behind you so no one else can benefit. How noble of you. Something stinks.

Dec 20, 2012 11:53am EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Today’s Headline:

“GOP’s Bohner Flops As Reality Sets In”

Age kills. Stay young.

Dec 20, 2012 12:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

Raelyn: Good eye. Hadn’t noticed it. I was wondering why I had begun to get this warm and fuzzy feeling toward Bohner, and why I told my neighbor to bite me a little while ago when he asked for a hand. I was inadvertently being relieved of my senses, but thanks to your awareness I’m back to my good ole nice ways again. I have to be careful. Next thing you know I’ll be telling someone, “Shouldn’t everyone want to live in a ‘right to work’ state?” Scarey. Better go apologize to my neighbor ;O)

Dec 20, 2012 12:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Spruce wrote:

Boehner and Cantor would benefit from an Economy 101 class to realize that they are destroying the country.

Dec 20, 2012 1:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
irish062 wrote:

The motto of the Republican Party used to be “If it’s good for US Steel, it’s good for America.” They have revised that now to “If it’s good for the Koch brothers, it’s good for America.” If the last few decades of tax cuts for the rich and stagnation of the income of rest of us, the CONSUMERS, has shown us anything, it’s that their motto is 180 degrees away from the truth.

Dec 20, 2012 1:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

I am a bit conflicted on this whole process. The House of Representatives has the authority to produce the budget. The Senate can say yay or nay, and then the two of them compromise. Then the President can either sign it or veto it. Why is Congress trying to deal with the President before dealing with the Senate? If the President is pushing this, he is taking the budgeting authority from both Houses of Congress. Boehner should attempt to get Reid in with him and work with him. If Reid refuses, Boehner should produce their budget and send it up and Reid can send it back. Going directly to Obama is bypassing how our government is supposed to work.

In the end, everyone is going to have their taxes raised, Reid and Obama will blame it on the Republicans, but this is what they wanted all along, raise the taxes on everyone, spend the money, blame the Republicans.

Dec 20, 2012 1:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

@Abulafiah

“The whole point of society is mutual help and mutual responsibility. If you don’t want to help your countrymen, if you are not willing to be part of the team, if you resent thinking of anyone but yourself, then you don’t deserve to live in that society.”

Maybe you should read our constitution, the preamble to the constitution, and the bill of rights. The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, the right to private property, etc… By the way, you know that Republicans give far more to charities than Democrats. Why is it that Democrats can only be bothered to give if it is forced upon them, and not out of the kindness of their own hearts?

Dec 20, 2012 1:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gacha wrote:

Boehner and the Republicans have an interesting empty hand. Damned if they do and more damned if they don’t, they choose the latter because it chimes with the angry white man ideology of the present Republican party.

Well, hold on tight as we go over, but rest assured the 2012 Republican party will be the ones going down in history for historic intransigence and standing up for CEO’s everywhere.

Dec 20, 2012 1:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JamesD1 wrote:

This quote alone makes me sick of the Republican party

“While the White House slow-walks us all to the edge of the fiscal cliff, Republicans are once again taking action to protect American families, our economy, and our national security,” Boehner’s office said.

How ignorant do they think Americans are? My favorite part is that they sit there and claim we need to balance the budget. Making the rich pay the SAME! Tax % as middle class is balancing the budget. These tax breaks should never have existed in the first place.

Republican party of old would be sick and spit on the Republican party of today. Makes me sick to know I once voted for these clowns

Dec 20, 2012 1:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JamesD1 wrote:

I will never vote for a Republican again, they pander to their rich friends. Maybe we should cut the salary on politicians and see where that takes us. Since they get the “tax break”.

Last time I checked Americans didn’t vote people in to pander to the rich.

Dec 20, 2012 1:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
KORourke_AWEA wrote:

It is vital that any tax extenders package include an extension of the wind energy Production Tax Credit (PTC).

Congressional action to extend the PTC using the “start construction” criterion would allow wind energy to reestablish a stable base market in the U.S. that the industry can build on, with further market and technology innovation. If the wind industry’s domestic supply chain is lost now, we risk the possibility that it will never again be restored to its current level in the United States—not to mention grow to the potential that it can reach.

It’s no surprise that the PTC has such broad bipartisan support–it’s helped the wind industry create over 75,000 jobs, lower consumer energy costs, and revitalize the U.S. manufacturing sector in a time of overall weak economic growth.

America can be proud of its success in wind energy development and the brand new manufacturing sector it has built in practically every state in the union.

Despite these benefits, wind power could be singled out as the only energy source to lose its federal tax credit this year if the PTC is allowed to expire December 31, 2012. Please support American wind power by contacting your federal representatives and asking them to pledge their support for a PTC extension.

Dec 20, 2012 2:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JoeObserver wrote:

Obama is turning into a dictator as he threatens to use VETO power. Boehner and Republicans are ensuring that they don’t give into Obama Plan, while ensuring future generation from the idiosyncracies of Bernanke and Fed

Dec 20, 2012 2:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
COindependent wrote:

the budget gridlock is embedded in the Constitution–it’s all good. It prevents a President from designating himself “king and absolute ruler”. It demands that the sides come to an agreement–that each gets a little and gives a little.

This is not a negotiation, it’s a debate disguised as negotiation. The problem is that the issue is so complex that it cannot be negotiated in total–it has to be broken down to its critical parts–that’s how it’s done in business. The parties identify first where they are in general agreement, finalize those terms and then work on the more contentious issues.

The President’s “my way or the highway” is his prerogative, but it’s a non-starter. That’s not how you begin a negotiation–it causes the other party to either dig-in, or most likely walk. The President needs to acknowledge that although he won the election (50.8%)he does not have a mandate, as the voters kept the Republicans in the House. So, each side needs to man-up, identify those areas where they agree, and sort out the major issues–and come to some agreement. The damage that is being done to the (weak) economy is considerable.

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fromthecenter wrote:

The republican answer to the old, sick and poor? Soylent green

Dec 20, 2012 2:05pm EST  --  Report as abuse

It is an odd suggestion that the President’s proposed tax will destroy jobs. Let’s not forget that the original proposal, on which the President ran and won, was to raise the federal marginal income tax rate over $250k by 4.6%. That does not include any income below that, whether one earns $10m or $10k annually, nor does it include investment income. The largest share of income over $250k goes to luxury items, not normal goods, so that when an expensive car or house is purchased additional labor is not required to manufacture those goods, unless you’re looking hard at the margins. So the idea that such income is fed back into the system in the form of goods purchased and equal labor is demanded for those goods is almost pure bunk. Now that the figure has moved up to $400k it’s even more ridiculous.

Dec 20, 2012 2:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

TheNewWorld….Bingo! Your post is right on the mark. Presidents are not responsible for Budget’s, taxes, spending or allocating tax dollars or producing an accounting of these activities. Congress is. The ONLY reason that Obama would be in the conversation is to inform congress what he will sign and what he will veto. AND if their is enough support for the bill that Congress eventually send to the President, they can override him and make it law. Boehner and the House Republicans have been trying to pin this mess on Obama since day one. Nice try, but that dog just won’t hunt. FURTHER, it is the responsibility of Congress (both Houses) to come to a compromise that benefits ALL Americans. But your last sentence is wrong. Obama has been the ONLY politician in Washington fighting for the middle class the last 4 years. He does not want to see taxes rise on the middle class. But at the same time he can’t keep being held hostage to the House Republicans who are intent on representing the interests of the richest in this country.

Dec 20, 2012 2:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
julianzr wrote:

Republicans misunderstand the mood of the country. They have the illusion they can chip away at the president and Democratic Party’s victory with their own inaction and political theater. If the Congress cannot act the fiscal solution should come by an executive order.

Dec 20, 2012 2:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
PKFA wrote:

@Bekkar
Actually I am a “senior”. So I remember a time before the Great Society, when this nation was strong because each individual was strong. I remember carrying a full time college load and working full time to pay pay my tuition. I remember the youthful mistakes- and paying for them. I remember sacrificing for a better future. And I remember good decisions that reaped the benefits and bad decisions that had consequences.
Now, after a life of hard work and sacrifice you and others have the gall to tell me that I should give away the fruits of my life. You and others say I am greedy because I want to hold on to what I have worked for. You and others say it is my social responsibility to give at the point of a gun for redistribution to a faceless mob? To today’s whiners who demand what they have not earned and tell me I must do my part- for them- if they did their part I wouldn’t have to do it for them now would I? How dare you!
Regarding social responsibility, I give to the deserving. And if you’d like to know how to find “the deserving”- look for those in need who are busy working, not working the “system”. Too busy and too proud to ask for help, but if they accept it it’s temporary, not a way of life. Them I help- the rest can go to the Devil.

Dec 20, 2012 2:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
lynxbear10 wrote:

HAS EVERYONE FORGOTTEN THAT THE SENATE HAS NOT PASSED A BUDGET YET SO EVERYONE WISE UP!

Dec 20, 2012 2:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jaham wrote:

I’m content with the sequester as it constitutes a much more serious initiative to rectify our fiscal issues than anything Obama has put forward thus far.

That said, it is sad that our Congress and “leadership” are incapable of effecting pragmatic cuts and revenues instead of handcuffing themselves to an across the board, in-discriminant sequester

Dec 20, 2012 2:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jaham wrote:

@julianzr said: “Republicans misunderstand the mood of the country”

Yea, and liberals misunderstand the fact that we have a spending problem too large to tax our way out of…

Dec 20, 2012 2:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jaham wrote:

Headline of the day:

Veto Happy Obama Continues to Tell Us What He Won’t Do; Refuses to Cut Spending as His Own Deficit Commission Recommended.

Dec 20, 2012 2:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jaham wrote:

@Abulafish said: “The right-wing just don’t understand that they have lost already.”

And the left-wing just don’t understand they don’t control the House and don’t have another super majority to squander.

Dec 20, 2012 2:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
webzest wrote:

WHY?

Dec 20, 2012 2:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

@xyz2055

Boehner is the weakest speaker of the House I can remember. He is held hostage by the Tea Party, by the Democrats in the House, the Democrats in the Senate, and Obama. It is sadly comical. Obama is in essence fighting to keep the Bush tax cuts in place for 98% of America. But the tax cuts are a part of what has gotten us to this point of deficit spending and increased debt. His heart might be in the right place, but we are going bankrupt, and everyone is going to feel the pain, especially the poor and middle class. But at least that is more honorable than the Republicans of the last 12 years that ran up our tab to support the wealthy.

Still, when this is all said and done, it ultimately falls on Obama, just like 2000-2008 fell on Bush. Saying otherwise means you think the President is impotent. He isn’t. He is smart, he is shrewd, he is manipulative. His share in the American bankruptcy will be recognized in history, it will be just as big GW Bush’s.

Dec 20, 2012 3:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
kafantaris2 wrote:

Leave it to the GOP to marginalize itself even further.
First, it went against black Americans. Then it went against Latino Americans. Now it is going against every American that does not make a million dollars.
Day after day in the Fiscal Cliff talks the GOP is painted as the Party of the rich. Its leadership insists the public sees it this way — thus nicely pushing the Party itself down the cliff.
Are there no old-timers left out there to set the Party straight?
Is there no one around with balls to wake the GOP from its stupor?
Have the Tea Party knuckleheads managed to so thoroughly castrate them all?

Dec 20, 2012 3:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Wassup wrote:

Boehner’s inability to compromise, Obama’s arrogance and the ignorance of Congress to demand change for this nation is perhaps one of the most dismal if not the saddest eras in United States fiscal history. These supposed representatives of the people are a failure in every respect. That would be slightly lower to the ground than the 52% who re-elected these bimbos.

Dec 20, 2012 3:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse

The differences are narrowing, right? Boehner wants to increase taxes on the upper .2 percent, while Obama wants increases on the top 2 percent. According to Business Insider, persons in the U.S. making $1 million or more a year constitute less than .2 percent of the total number of taxpayers. Sterling Greenwood/AspenFreePress

Dec 20, 2012 3:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse

The differences are narrowing, right? Boehner wants to increase taxes on the upper .2 percent, while Obama wants increases on the top 2 percent. According to Business Insider, persons in the U.S. making $1 million or more a year constitute less than .2 percent of the total number of taxpayers. Sterling Greenwood/AspenFreePress

Dec 20, 2012 3:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

There is no fiscal cliff. Raising revenue and cutting spending is not a cliff. It’s not even a road embankment. It’s a vitamin. Time for Congress to take it and move on.

Dec 20, 2012 4:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BOOWAH wrote:

Where the hell is the fairness? Fifty Billion in defense cuts transferred to the poor? Trading cuts to Medicare and Social Security for modest tax increases on millionaires? It’s nothing but wealth shifting, and it has been going on for decades! The rich like to think they earned their money the hard way, but in truth, their wealth was largely the result of biased legislation! This country will not, and should not stand with this imbalance!

Dec 20, 2012 4:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MrWoody wrote:

When will this administration learn that Obama was not elected KING of America. He is in charge of “one out of three” branches of Government, which means he must work with the other two if he wants to get anything done. It’s NOT my way or the Highway, its compromise or nothing gets done. 2 Trillion in cuts(maybe) over 10 years is NOT compromising, it’s a joke.

Dec 20, 2012 4:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
anarcurt wrote:

Once they are done with this transparent stunt they will take Obama’s deal. He gave them a lot more than anyone expected and they should be happy to take it.

Dec 20, 2012 4:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:

The GOP is black and white – we are for the rich and will stall and stagnate any progress till we are back in power Congress, Senate and President).

There are less rich people in America than poor people. How is it they are able to hold a majority in the Congress?

GOP bible belt auto votes aside – there are still a lot more middle class and poor than rich.

Are the Democrats so incompetent that a common sense person would rather vote to loose a bigger portion of his salary every year or are the Republicans much better at spin?

A solid leader right now would:
- raise tarrifs to prevent unfair trade for certain products,
- make the tough call to reduce government spending across the board for 3 years,
- increase taxes across the board for 3 years
- add luxury taxes for 5 years,
- impose stiffer taxes on companies offshoring,
- stop all the useless grants and giveways,
- stop giving welfare to other countries for 3 years
- and seriously compliment ideas of both sides of the house.

We don’t have a government anymore. We have well oiled get into office campaigns and capitalize on any disaster event for media purposes.

Neither party gives a damn about America – just how to win the party line further while enjoying the trough feeding at the lobbyist diners and future board appointment promises.

Dec 20, 2012 4:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
CPFftw wrote:

The headline should read Republicans shove us over the Fiscal Cliff concluding 4 years of do nothing obstructionist politics.

Dec 20, 2012 5:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
uc8tcme wrote:

Boehner is just trying to shift the blame (plain and simple) that is the shame of it all. He steps up to every news conference day after day and starts off with how the President is not offering nothing – which is a lie. He knows what every the President offers and he agrees to, he will not be able to get his House GOP in line to pass it. So many people is worried about who to blame for any and everything. Ok, blame Obama – What cha’ goin’ do about it?? – Impeach him – not!!

So let’s just hold our collective noses and go off the cliff. And hope they can fix the things that will drop us back in to recession.

Happy Holidays everyone.

Dec 20, 2012 5:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

TheNewWorld..you are still wrong. This isn’t Obama’s mess. And isn’t his responsibility to fix it Bush was in the same boat. He let the Republicans run wild…he should have vetoed more. But he didn’t. Therefore he was a willing partner in the deal. We have grid lock. While that worked well under Clinton…Clinton didn’t have record unemployment and a run away $1T annual deficit. Read Paul Ryan’s “Path to Prosperity”. It is GW on steroids. More of the same policies that got us here. That’s the mentality that Obama is dealing with. Cut taxes for the richest AGAIN and increase Defense spending BEFORE tackling the debt…that is insane.

Dec 20, 2012 6:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

News Update:

“GOP’s Bohner Goes Limp, Republicans Now Playing Pool With Rope.”

Time to hang it up, GOP. America has given up waiting for you Bob Dolers.

Dec 20, 2012 6:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

Alkaline State..I have come to the same conclusion. The Fiscal Cliff is actually a gift. Congress simply can’t control and can’t cut spending. Even with the Cliff we will still accumulate $3T more in debt over the next 10 years. Time to take the medicine for not keeping our house in order. Hoping Obama sticks to his guns and doesn’t give Congress (both sides and both Houses) an easy way out of this.

Dec 20, 2012 6:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bobber1956 wrote:

There you go obama right back to your buddy’s Clinton rates. The economy is on YOUR head. I think we have just enough left in the coffers to impeach you and convict hillary.

Dec 20, 2012 7:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

@xyz2055

Clinton didn’t have complete gridlock. We got a lot of good bills out of the Republican House, Democrat Senate, under Clinton. A lot of good reforms, and a balanced budget. The responsibility lies on the President when it comes to history. No one talks about the Congress or Senate that Reagan had to work with, or JFK had to work with, or FDR had to work with. Great leaders lead.

My severist complaints of Bush was his expanding of the Federal government and the deficit spending and debt. Obama can eliminate a lot of that. He doesn’t want to, he has no plans to, and he hasn’t done a thing to revers Bush’s bad policies. If anything he has doubled down on them. He has only had 2 years of Boehner that you can blame on the Republicans. He had 2 years of Pelosi, who was speaker for 2 years before that. No one blames her for the debt/deficit from 2006-2010. But everyone wants to lay the blame on Boehner. We wouldn’t have this mess now if the Democrats had taken care of business in 2008. But all of that ultimately falls on the President. His failure will be remembered in history, not Pelosi’s or Boehner’s.

Dec 20, 2012 9:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

@xyz2055

I forgot to add. GW Bush didn’t run trillion dollar deficits, Obama has done that. You can’t blame the Iraq war anymore, Bush had us set for withdrawel before Obama ever took office. What Bush left was his tax cuts that ended 2 years ago. We have the Obama extension of Bush’s tax cuts, along with 100s of other tax cuts that Obama did for his stimulus.

Why do you give Obama a pass? He ran in 2008 on hope and change, a new era in Washington. Now it is he is powerless to do anything to fix the situation. The President is supposed to be the best of the best. Not a patsy that can’t lead, and is only washing the deck as the ship sinks.

Dec 20, 2012 9:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

@AlkalineState

“There is no fiscal cliff. Raising revenue and cutting spending is not a cliff. It’s not even a road embankment. It’s a vitamin. Time for Congress to take it and move on.”

I very much agree with you. I just get tired of the political posturing by Boehner and Obama. I give everyone in Washington a 4% approval rating right now.

Dec 20, 2012 9:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

@kafantaris2

“Leave it to the GOP to marginalize itself even further.
First, it went against black Americans.”

The Democrats were against the civil rights, not the GOP. The dixiecrats transferred over, a decade after. If you want to go back to slavery, Lincoln was GOP…

“Then it went against Latino Americans.”

Reagan granted amnesty to some 3 million illegals in the 80s. Bush Jr wanted to do reform before he left office but the Democrats refused to entertain any bills. Really, the Democrats have done nothing but make empty promises other than Obama’s recent executive order.

“Now it is going against every American that does not make a million dollars. Day after day in the Fiscal Cliff talks the GOP is painted as the Party of the rich. Its leadership insists the public sees it this way — thus nicely pushing the Party itself down the cliff.
Are there no old-timers left out there to set the Party straight?
Is there no one around with balls to wake the GOP from its stupor?
Have the Tea Party knuckleheads managed to so thoroughly castrate them all?”

You got a point with the Tea Party. And Boehner is horrible at communicating with anyone it seems. The problem is Obama wants to continue spending money. He is going to raise the taxes, and he wants to add a $50 billion stimulus to the package. He gets $80 billion in revenue and has aleady spent over half of it. This is the same thing we see in government over and over. They will always need more money, and as soon as you give it to them, it is spent in triplicate. The most frustrating part is they always wait until the deadline to start these negotiations. Of course they all had to make sure they were going to get re-elected first…

Dec 20, 2012 9:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

TheNewWorld…the deficit for GW’s last year in office was over $1T. Read the article below. This will be inconvenient for you if you think Obama is responsible for the $1T+ deficits.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-spending-inferno-or-not/

Dec 20, 2012 9:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

TheNewWorld..you must be really really old toi have such a short memory. Obama was blackmailed into extending the Bush era tax cuts to get the debt ceiling increased. You know the debt created by Congress. Remember all the House Republicans threatening to default on our debt obligations. And the second paragraph of your post shows that you have absolutely no memory. Remember the conversation we had just two days ago where I posted page 4 of Paul Ryan’s “Path to Prosperity” for you. ALL Presidents are powerless unless they have a Congress willing to work with them. The founding Fathers gave all the power to the 535 rather than the 1. Constitutional basics grasshopper.

And as far as leading is concerned…looks to me like Obama is Leading. And going to make the Republicans live into the Fiscal Cliff cuts that they agreed to. This time they don’t much to blackmail him with.

Dec 20, 2012 9:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

It doesn’t really matter who pushes or drags who over the “Fiscal cliff”. They both die at the bottom anyway. They will forget, completely, what got them there when they reach the bottom.

But xyz2055 has a better memory than TheNewWorld. I’m tending to forget it all. The cliff promises to be a big drop. I will never see employment – even as a janitor – again. It’s going to be a long and boring drop to the bottom but the politicos will be tearing at each other all the way down. It’s their job – with handsome benefits.

This is not a country that makes sacrifices. It hires “little people” to do their dirty work and make sacrifices for them. That is what it has done since Vietnam.

Dec 21, 2012 12:59am EST  --  Report as abuse
jaham wrote:

“Obama threatens to veto”

That a way Obama…instead of putting forth a feasible, balanced solution as you promised, tell us more of what you WON’T do…that’s just the kind of leadership this country needs.

Dec 21, 2012 9:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
RealityMan wrote:

Until the Republicans get serious about cutting defense industry entitlements (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F…, it’s going to be hard to have a rational discussion about the budget. The USA spends MUCH more on military expenditures than any other country (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L….

The taxpayer money that subsidizes the defense of other countries allows them to fund their nicely padded social safety nets. If we’re going to defend Europe and Asia, shouldn’t *they* be paying us for it?

Dec 21, 2012 10:54am EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

RealityMan..to your point…

For 2012, here are the top 15 Defense spending countries in the world. The U.S. in 2012 spent $711B, if you add up the total of what the next 14 countries spent..it’s 706.1B total.

1. US $711 B
2. China $143 B
3. Russia $71.9 B
4. U.K. $62.7 B
5. France $$62.5 B
6. Japan $59.3 B
7. Saudi Arabia $48.2 B
8. India $46.8 B
9. Germany $46.7 B
10. Brazil $35.4 B
11. Italy $34.5 B
12. S. Korea $30.8 B
13. Australia $26.7 B
14. Canada $24.7 B
15. Turkey $17.9 B

And this doesn’t include the Department of Homeland Security. Which employees 240,000 people and has an annual budget of $60.5 B. We spend more on the DHS than most countries spend on total Defense.

Is this really necessary?

Dec 21, 2012 3:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

“Obama was blackmailed into extending the Bush era tax cuts to get the debt ceiling increased.”

You said it right there. Obama is the weakest President in modern history. He lets the Republicans who were in the minority in the House and Senate from 2008 to 2010, run his policies. Why take up for such a poor excuse for a President?

Dec 21, 2012 4:05pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

Furthermore, all of the Democrats blame the GOP. Obama always blames the GOP. Guess what we are going to hear the next 4 years. Blame the GOP. The leaders of the Democrat party are not leaders. They are nothing more than idealogues that can not deal with the results of their failed policies. They take no responsibility for anything. Even when they are in charge, it is always someone else’s fault. Absolutely pathetic.

Dec 21, 2012 4:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

TheNewWorld..and yet under Obama we are coming out of the nightmare the Republicans created. Unemployment is slowly going down and the day after Thanksgiving set a new holiday spending record. New cars sales are the best they have been in years and housing is better than it’s been since 2006. Consumers are filling the malls. Corporations are reporting record profits. GOP is still selling the same old program that got us in trouble in the first place. My family is doing very well under Obama..how’s yours?

Dec 21, 2012 4:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

Folks..I’m on the road in about 2 hours to spend a great Xmas with my family. So I’m outta here for a while. Hoping all of you have a great xmas and an even better new year. I’m betting the Fiscal Cliff won’t be as bad as you’ve read. Politician’s finally out smarted themselves. It will make things better in the long run.

Dec 21, 2012 4:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Let the little fudge-packer veto it.

He keeps saying it’s his ballgame. Let him own it.

Dec 24, 2012 6:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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