Special Report: Greece's far-right party goes on the offensive

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PeterisK wrote:

From one side populism to another – give or take, it’s still populism.

Nov 12, 2012 5:05am EST  --  Report as abuse
VonHell wrote:

lol nazi greeks that dont pay taxes either… and people in europe still hope to save Greece…

Nov 12, 2012 5:06am EST  --  Report as abuse
PeterisK wrote:

VonHell, there’s no denying that there is part of Greek society, which is heavily populist leaned – be it lef ot right. However, most of them are reasonable bunch. But there’s a catch – most of them don’t vote.

So all votes goes to populists. And we know that populists rarerly making sense.

With all this mysery I really think Greece should have gone cold turkey long time ago. We would be sorted it out by then.

Nov 12, 2012 5:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
PeterisK wrote:

VonHell, there’s no denying that there is part of Greek society, which is heavily populist leaned – be it lef ot right. However, most of them are reasonable bunch. But there’s a catch – most of them don’t vote.

So all votes goes to populists. And we know that populists rarerly making sense.

With all this mysery I really think Greece should have gone cold turkey long time ago. We would be sorted it out by then.

Nov 12, 2012 5:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
Raly wrote:

the problem with populism is that is does make sense, it makes sense on a very simple scale – it provides easy answers to difficult problems. But the answers are too simple, they are wrong. Greece is facing dramatically difficult times, Syriza (the socialists), KKE (the communists) and this nazi party are concentrating more than 50% of votes on them. It will not take long time till we see military units on Athenian roads…

Nov 12, 2012 5:47am EST  --  Report as abuse
Caspary wrote:

Europe should stop bailing out Greeks until they resolve this racist menace. Hitler was enough.

Nov 12, 2012 5:56am EST  --  Report as abuse
pbgd wrote:

This is a normal development in crisis times: Both extreme Right and extreme Left are raising their ugly heads. Same in Germany, both in the 1930s and now.

Nov 12, 2012 6:01am EST  --  Report as abuse
Renox wrote:

While these people may resemble “nazi” the way the salute, the real fascists are the Ragnis and Merkels who simply trying to install an European dictatorship over all EU countries. Unelected officials like Van Rompuy and Baroso come much closer to being nazi than these people walking around with black T shirts.
Or take Obamas “democraric” disguise who has the power to jail any American without trial, without a lawyer, is a far right aberration of Democracy, technically a Fascist.

Nov 12, 2012 6:12am EST  --  Report as abuse
Pete_Murphy wrote:

It was high unemployment in Germany that led to Hitler’s rise to power. Following WWII, the Global Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (“GATT,” forerunner of today’s World Trade Organization) was implemented in 1947 in an effort to address unemployment in Germany and Japan. Now, the resulting global trade imbalances are bankrupting debtor nations like Greece (and the U.S., soon to follow). Austerity measures aimed at cutting debt are resulting in – guess what? – high unemployment. Ironically, the scheme cooked up by GATT – “globalization,” while it held at bay the threat of war for a period of time, now may prove to be the trigger that starts the next one.

Nov 12, 2012 7:21am EST  --  Report as abuse
breezinthru wrote:

Golden Dawn almost has it right. The banks and the economic and political systems that suckle them have indeed stolen from ordinary Greek citizens and from ordinary Eurozone citizens.

The relationship between a country’s banking system and its citizens should be synergistic, not parasitic.

However, driving foreign citizens out of Greece can only serve to worsen their economic situation. Greece needs to bring in cash through commerce, rather than through loans.

Nov 12, 2012 9:13am EST  --  Report as abuse
fernando80 wrote:

dd

Nov 12, 2012 10:12am EST  --  Report as abuse
fernando80 wrote:

I do not know what the article is always using the term ‘illegal immigrant’ in this article. Clearly, for these fascists, anybody who is not deemed to be an ethnic Greek is ‘illegal’ and should be expelled from their country, no matter whether they have been granted asylum or, have one Greek parent, or have been legally adopted, or have citizenship from an European country. For fascists, everybody else is ‘illegal’.

Nov 12, 2012 10:20am EST  --  Report as abuse
anarcurt wrote:

…it is easy, by diligent study of the past, to foresee what is likely to happen in the future in any republic, and to apply those remedies that were used by the ancients, or not finding any that were employed by them, to devise new ones from the similarity of events-Machiavelli

Unfortunately it seems like Greece has too many looking at (failed) remedies of the past, whether it be fascism or communist socialism.

Nov 12, 2012 11:45am EST  --  Report as abuse
randburg100 wrote:

I wonder if the irony has struck Greece…thousands are running around with Nazi regalis plastered all over images of Merkel…yet thousands more want to join and elect their own Nazi party….

Nov 12, 2012 12:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
EthicsIntl wrote:

The European Union is bound to collapse.
When corrupt governments, corrupt Banks & corrupt elites control the economies this is what you get. And it is nothing new, it has been going on for thousands of years, and yet no one seems to have learned anything.
Worldwide the rich are getting richer & the poor are getting poorer. This has even alarmed the Chinese government & they are giving it top priority in their upcoming new leadership.

Greed, addiction to money, power and material possessions has always prevailed in human nature, and we are supposed to be the most intelligent of creatures… BS !!!

Nov 12, 2012 12:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
texas100 wrote:

Pete; you have it right; the fulcrum is unemployment that is tipping Greece, and ultimately most of Southern Europe into despair and hopelessness. This scares people into irrational actions (Golden Dawn) that they wouldn’t otherwise consider. More austerity is not the answer.
Austerity will never lead to growth; the economy slowly winds down as companies go bankrupt and capital drys up or is ‘exported’ to the EU.

This is happening in the US right now; significant unemployment and under employment; companies downsizing and not investing due to serious overcapacity in most industries; young graduates drowning under a mountain of college debt they can never repay; a government continuing to spend recklessly assuming China will never show up to collect.
The answer for Greece is an immediate ‘controlled default’ on their sovereign debt, at least to ‘argentine’ levels (33 cents on the dollar).. Without their own currency to devalue, this is the only way for Greece to recover..
For the US, the answer will end up being high inflation, a debased currency and a declining standard of living.

Nov 12, 2012 12:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
dareconomics wrote:

Far left and right populist political parties generally benefit from increased support tough times. Golden Dawn’s, the Greek fascists, have gone from being a fringe party before the onset of the debt crisis to capturing 7% of the last vote to 14% support today.

Greek political analysts believe that it has the potential to increase its vote total to 30%. At that rate, it will be the largest party in the Greek Parliament and get first crack at forming a government. New Democracy, the current coalition leaders, captured just about 30% in the last vote, and a certain Nationalist Socialist part in Germany once formed a government with a mere 33% of the vote in the Reichstag.

Greece cannot pay its bills, and sooner or later, probably after German elections, the troika will cut it off. At this point, resentment in the Greek electorate will reach a fever pitch. This means that either Golden Dawn or Syriza, the communists, will win the election.

The political situation may affect the troika’s thinking on the subject, and they may choose to fund Greece even longer to forestall a fascist or communist government, but I would not count on the troika’s wallet being open forever.

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Nov 12, 2012 12:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Send_us_Doves wrote:

If the greeks think that Nazi’s (and of course they are Nazi’s. If a wolf tells you it’s not a wolf do you just believe him and invite him to dinner? ) are going to be their saving grace they aught to look at what happened to the last bunch that cropped up. Poverty is no excuse for stupidity. Lets not repeat the past.

Nov 12, 2012 12:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
kumba wrote:

Revolution, far right or far left will come out of the all mess in Europe. Spring 2013 will bring changes. When it will start in one Country: Greece or Spain , it will spread to others, until complete chaos.

Nov 12, 2012 4:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
VonHell wrote:

for now they are only exploring the demagogic side of populism… but as their sense of power grows… sooner or later the leadership will make some antisemitic demonstration… and then my friends lets see how the euro big shots will react… since the euro was born around the idea of avoiding another ww2 and all nasty things that came together… i can imagine the french reaction…

Nov 12, 2012 5:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RickPeters10 wrote:

European political incompetence has created a platform for radical movements to espouse their “solutions” to a disillusioned populace.

Rather than give the Greek’s more money and demand austerity, Greek’s european neighbours need to work with Greece in a manner that creates jobs for the people – real jobs! Money going into the coffers of the greek government and the banks only stems a worsening situation and does nothing to address the root cause of the problem.

Economic prosperity is not found in the halls of socialism. Socialism just leads to a slow decline. It is is when people invest in business because they believe their investment is relatively safe and that there are prospects of good returns that jobs are created.

Who would invest in building a business in Greece right now? The risks are just too great – sovereign risk, political risk, business risk, personal risk etc.

If Greece is to prosper, then they have to be able to produce goods and services that they can sell not only within Greece but export to Europe. Prior to Greece adopting the Euro, it was a good place for the norther europeans to take a holiday partly due to the favourable exchange rate with the drachma. Soon as they joined the EU that advantage disappeared.

In my view Germany and the other EU countries should be providing incentives to their large manufacturing businesses to open up plants in Greece, and Greece should be putting in place laws that make it very worthwhile for these companies to establish their businesses there- such as lower minimum wages, laws that make it easier to hire and fire, taxation breaks etc.

When the Greeks people can get back to work, even if their standard of living drops to begin with, they will eventually come out the other side and be able to pay of their debts. You don’t get far in life if you keep borrowing money to pay the interest on borrowed money while continuing to get paid less to do less productive work.

Nov 12, 2012 7:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JamesPinNYC wrote:

I happen to go to school near where one of the community centers was made, and there were flyers protesting it everywhere. It worries me that this nightmare child of populism and racism has taken root in the birthplace of democracy, but it comforts me that there are those who stand up to it. Perhaps the Greeks can prevent themselves from becoming Nazi Germany through populism as well.

Nov 12, 2012 10:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Freeflight wrote:

RickPeters, Neo-Con agenda is showing..

Yes i’m pretty sure Germans will be delighted to outsource their jobs to Greek, it’s not like they care about unemployment right?

And lower minimum wages, less union rights and taxation breaks for big investors are exactly what lead to this global financial crisis in the first place. The only thing you will achieve trough these means is even more austerity, as people without a job will stand in line to undercut each other with lower wages (which also means they will have less money to spent on the actual economy) and the jobs will go to the lowest bidder (The companies hiring also don’t pay into the economy due to the taxation breaks and loopholes, after all they are mostly transnational). Those still won’t have any job security, as they will be easily replaced by others willing to work for even less money and in even worse conditions.

It’s called race to the bottom and it’s not the solution to the problem it IS the actual problem. Companies go where the work force is cheapest, where they pay the lowest taxes and where unions and employees don’t have any rights. That’s why manufacturing and other high capacity jobs are moving to India, China and other poor countries. Trying to undercut these countries will only result in having even worse living conditions then those countries already have.

That’s not a solution, that’s just spreading the problem further and making it worse. Capital does not care about countries, patriotism or living standards, it’s acting on a global basis out of self interest.

Nov 13, 2012 7:14am EST  --  Report as abuse
Darthkuriboh wrote:

The Golden Dawn MUST win. They MUST succeed. They are the only chance Greece, and by extension, the rest of Europe has of being saved from the Zionist oppressors which continually force European governments into suicidal/genocidal immigration policies. Support Golden Dawn now!

Nov 13, 2012 5:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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