Petraeus case shows ease of government email snooping

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usagadfly wrote:

This sordid affair is much more sordid for demonstrating the absolute contempt in Federal secret police circles for the privacy of the American People. The official misbehavior on the part of the FBI is an utter disgrace. There must be high level firings in this, including the Director of the FBI and his chief assistant.

The continuing utter failure of the Government to serve the People must come to an end. This is nearly impossible without disposing of the 1789 Constitution and the highly corrupt and bribable political and judicial structure that has been constructed on its bones.

Money must be taken out of politics. Rights must be inviolate, and the penalties for official violations must be made severe and swift and certain. Judges must never be made into Princes or Cardinals again and must never be given life sinecures. We desperately need proportional representation in a political body that represents people, not wallets.

Time for a drastic change.

Nov 17, 2012 4:39am EST  --  Report as abuse
gordo53 wrote:

When it comes to electronic communication, one must assume that everything is scrutinized by the “authorities”. Big Brother is here; ushered in by a torrent of consumer electronic gadgetry. Privacy is fast becoming a thing of the past. The irony of it all is that it’s a self inflicted wound. Someday we will look back with regret.

Nov 17, 2012 5:58am EST  --  Report as abuse
PKFA wrote:

First and foremost, the government protects us. A strong military protects us from foreign aggression. A strong police force protects us from our fellow citizens. Strong commerce laws protect us from sophisticated and subtle financial thieves. Strong laws mandating seat belt use, banning smoking and preventing super-sized sugary drinks protect us from ourselves. I think sacrificing a little privacy in exchange for all that protection is a small price to pay.

Nov 17, 2012 6:00am EST  --  Report as abuse
go2goal wrote:

What’s even more amazing is how the us corporate media is ignoring the snooping that is even more widespread by us corporations!

Google, amazon, apple, Cisco, Microsoft…..they know a lot more about you than Uncle Sam!

Europe has an Internet bill of rights….but the republicans have stopped any such individual privacy protection in the u.s. Obama has tried….but the corporate republicans love it when our corporations have power!

Nov 17, 2012 7:50am EST  --  Report as abuse
randburg100 wrote:

First and foremost, the government protects us. A strong military protects us from foreign aggression. A strong police force protects us from our fellow citizens. Strong commerce laws protect us from sophisticated and subtle financial thieves. Strong laws mandating seat belt use, banning smoking and preventing super-sized sugary drinks protect us from ourselves. I think sacrificing a little privacy in exchange for all that protection is a small price to pay.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I presume you are very, very, very naive!!! With a mentality like that, you may as well be a cow in the slaughter pen!

Sooooo if it became “law” to rape your child…you would cheerfully comply? WAKE UP AND THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nov 17, 2012 7:51am EST  --  Report as abuse
libertyville wrote:

We now have the FBI spying on what used to be called water fountain conversations. To make it worse, the FBI trumps up any amount of charges for heated opinions of the moment. The young were afraid that we could someday have a thought police, and it has happened.

Nov 17, 2012 7:55am EST  --  Report as abuse
randburg100 wrote:

Oh yes, I thought the US was supposed to be the land of the “free”???

More like the country trapped in a very large cage where the bars are getting closer together by the month…….soon, the outside world will become a distant memory only available to the old….

Nov 17, 2012 9:17am EST  --  Report as abuse
ectogestator wrote:

The first paragraph of this story left out the word, “some”, as in “some Americans are stunned”. Most Americans are oblivious to this activity by government entities, and most of the ones who aren’t oblivious give the matter no thought. I can fully protect myself from this government activity by refraining from using email to communicate. As for the principals, some of whom are highly placed government employees with access to national security information, and some of whom requested the FBI to investigate their email, I feel no sympathy. In America, the love of money drives all, and each American can ensure that his “Americanth” unit of the national greed engine is used for good and evil. The individual freedoms each of us claims come with individual responsibilities and with individual authorities. If enough of us stop using Google, Facebook, Yahoo, etc, the ad revenues dry up, and the corporations and government will respond. Will that ever happen? No. Because there are not enough individual Americans with the intellect, education, love of country, or love of freedom to take part in the action.

Nov 17, 2012 10:40am EST  --  Report as abuse
TheUSofA wrote:

We certainly have given our privacy away in this age of reverse Big Brother. But Big Brother was fully established by the government under George Bush who upped the surveillance of American citizens without court order and then by Obama, the candidate who said he would definitely not support retroactive immunity to the telecoms, but then Obama the President definitely did support retroactive FISA immunity for warrantless wiretapping. The telecom (AT&T, Verizon, etc) companies that illegally opened their networks to the Feds, was then protected by the Feds.

Binney, former NSA official: The former NSA official held his thumb and forefinger close together: “We are that far from a turnkey totalitarian state.”

www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/

The NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say)

Nov 17, 2012 10:50am EST  --  Report as abuse
TOR01 wrote:

In response to PKFA who commented that “sacrificing a little privacy in exchange for all that protection is a small price to pay”, I would respectfully remind him/her of Ben Franklin’s admonition that “he who sacrifices freedom for security, deserves neither”.

Nov 17, 2012 10:50am EST  --  Report as abuse
mb56 wrote:

Our civil liberties and right to privacy have been completely trashed under the misnomer of “The Patriot Act”. Why must we continually relearn the lessons of the past? The reasons we segregated our law enforcement and intelligence agencies and raised the bar in the 60′s was because of these kinds of abuses under Hoover and others. Now their all at it again… literally THOUSANDS of “National Security Letters” inappropriately issued, American’s overseas conservations listened too, the TSA groping and bullying people with impunity, the police tasering grandmothers, torture condoned… Where is this country going and why aren’t are elected officials doing anything about it? Apparently, even they are afraid of our new police state.

Nov 17, 2012 11:54am EST  --  Report as abuse
geddo wrote:

You mean if I deleted an email 10 months ago, it still lives in the servers’ archives or library for anyone with a warrant or subpeona to view?

Nov 17, 2012 12:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
libertadormg wrote:

The cops have become voyeurs.

Nov 17, 2012 1:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ConstFundie wrote:

This is not an issue of privacy. This is about a public employee, largely responsible for the security of this Nation, putting a personal fling above that job, and putting the Nation in jeopardy via blackmail and foreign manipulation; Public employees logging hours of time at work playing grab-ass, using unprotected electronic communications, and including classified information. There is nothing personal about any of that, and by the nature of accepting Public intelligence jobs, a fraction of personal privacy and secrecy is relinquished.

Sure, Clinton should have been forced to resign or be impeached, and Cheney and Bush as well. And I agree that Patriot act laws and similar that remove Judicial review from balancing policing and military actions are a travesty. But hey, call me a llama.

Nov 17, 2012 1:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheUSofA wrote:

@ConstFundie

Sorry, but this whole scenario is ALSO an issue of privacy, or rather, the death of privacy and governments the world over, totalitarian and supposedly democratic in nature as well, spying on their citizens.

Nov 17, 2012 1:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bagehot wrote:

When are people going to get this? E mails are not the personal property of either sender or recipient. That goes double for civil servants, especially if they are on the federal intranet. Petraeus’ emails on USG servers are the taxpayers’ property, not his.They can (not must) be classified (post facto) on order from the White House.
Now this master of intelligence wants Congress to accept that only he was on point with the Benghazi hit. If this is a ‘can job by the West Wing to isolate and trivialize the General, it’s working like a charm. They really are in their own world….

Nov 17, 2012 1:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bobber1956 wrote:

This outcome proves the snooping is necessary, warranted and just.

Nov 17, 2012 2:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
UnPartisan wrote:

@everyone

Nothing on the internet is secure, absolutely nothing.

Nov 17, 2012 2:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
randburg100 wrote:

errrrrrr I thought this Petraeus chap was in charge of US spying ooops CIA….if HE uses emails & then wonders why he gets found out for shagging on the side…then I would suggest the US spy network hasn’t learned much since Francis Walsingham from the 16th century..

Nov 17, 2012 2:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheUSofA wrote:

@bobber1956

Yes, totalitarian, autocratic and undemocratic systems of government have been using your line of reasoning since the dawn of time. In others words the ends will always justify the means. Constitution? What’s that? Rule of law? For some not others. Democracy? If you say so it must be I suppose.

Nov 17, 2012 4:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheUSofA wrote:

@bobber1956

Yes, totalitarian, autocratic and undemocratic systems of government have been using your line of reasoning since the dawn of time. In others words the ends will always justify the means. Constitution? What’s that? Rule of law? For some not others. Democracy? If you say so it must be I suppose.

Nov 17, 2012 4:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Missourimule wrote:

We can worry about the “ease of e-mail snooping” some other time. Right now, what the Petraeus case should be telling us is that our government is openly lying to us about serious, national security matters, and trying to bury their failures, and more frightening, their lack of interest. The White House, the CIA, and everyone in Washington takes us for complete fools, and too many in the media just pant right along behind them.

Nov 17, 2012 7:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ConstFundie wrote:

@Missourimule, I agree, and the media do as they do because they are bought and paid for by the same owners.

Nov 17, 2012 10:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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