Palestinians win implicit U.N. recognition of sovereign state

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rgbviews wrote:

The Palestinian request to the UN will be for recognition of their state based on the ’67 boundaries, including East Jerusalem ……. all completely in line with the official UN position and completely in line with the official US position as reiterated by Obama during his first term.

The Palestinians have been given false hopes and have ended up being cheated too many times. The world now clearly sees through the deceptions of the past. Enough already!!

Nov 29, 2012 1:23am EST  --  Report as abuse
joco69 wrote:

Its not the Palestinian move that is misguided but the view of the US and Israel. Obama had 4 years to get real peace talks going, instead he stood by Israel in every stance.
Its time that the Palestinians get a voice at the U.N., threats of withholding funds by the US will accomplish nothing else than diminishing its influence on the peace process.
Its time the US stops to please the jewish lobby and takes a stand in what has become a hugh failure in US foreign policy. The result of Israel taking the US for granted has made the jewish state arrogant and its actions against the Palestinians has become intolerable.
The US talks a lot about democracy, well if the majority of countries do vote for the U.N resolution, then democracy has decided and the US and Israel must accept the verdict, thats what democracy is all about!
Lets hope this is a turning point for Palestine, the world will be watching the US and Israel in the coming days.

Nov 29, 2012 1:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
spongeblog wrote:

The UN is provoking another MidEast war

Nov 29, 2012 2:07am EST  --  Report as abuse
Joe_Casepack wrote:

Perfect, a state with no land.

Maybe now is the time for “La Raza” to claim statehood before reclaiming USA lands for their state.

Nov 29, 2012 2:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
Lavrentii wrote:

A “slap in the face” to Obama and the American quisling regime, owned by zionists and neocons?

That the Americans and Germans would still be suggesting that the key is for the Palestinians to negotiate with Likudniks in Israel is preposterous beyond belief!

You are on the losing side again, America!!!

“You can always count on the Americans to do the right thing,… after they have exhausted all other possibilities.”
Sir Winston Churchill

Nov 29, 2012 2:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
Lavrentii wrote:

A “slap in the face” to Obama and the American quisling regime, owned by zionists and neocons?

That the Americans and Germans would still be suggesting that the key is for the Palestinians to negotiate with Likudniks in Israel is preposterous beyond belief!

You are on the losing side again, America!!!

“You can always count on the Americans to do the right thing,… after they have exhausted all other possibilities.”
Sir Winston Churchill

Nov 29, 2012 2:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
db123ct wrote:

What a name. joco69, or is it joko69, i mean joke69, whatever. Anyway, and i quote “thats what democracy is all about”. Who pay’s for that democracy buddy, thats right good old Uncle Sam, America. So we foot the bill, and then we have to be outvoted by who? Countries that contribute absolutely nothing. Maybe while we are at it we can let ahmadinejad lecture us about human rights. joco69, you tell good jokes.

Nov 29, 2012 2:29am EST  --  Report as abuse
boreal wrote:

It is easy to understand why Israel does not want Palestinian statehood. The longer they can drag out into virtual infinity their (none) negotiating tactics, the more land they grab and settle permanently on the occupied lands.

But why would the US – who supposed to be a freedom loving just country standing up to the downtrodden – go along with Israel does not make any sense.

Nov 29, 2012 2:32am EST  --  Report as abuse
db123ct wrote:

Reuters, please post my comments. No Lavrentii, I am not going to open the dictionary and check the definition of quisling just because you used it in a sentence. (You must be an English teacher, perhaps at a public institution of higher learning in California). I think you are correct. Americans will do the right thing, after they have exhausted all other possibilities they will realize that the palaestinians need to go.

Nov 29, 2012 2:35am EST  --  Report as abuse
db123ct wrote:

REUTERS, POST MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS AS WELL OR EXPLAIN WHY YOU CHOOSE NOT TO

Nov 29, 2012 3:29am EST  --  Report as abuse
stambo2001 wrote:

In the history books today it will look like the usa, israel, britain and Canada stood against the wishes of the rest of the entire world. We’re going to look like racist fools. Right down to the threat of retaliatory action if they follow through with the democratic vote. America is losing influence and relevance on a daily basis.

Nov 29, 2012 5:39am EST  --  Report as abuse
Tiu wrote:

An interview with IDF soldiers, in their own words…
http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NK28Ak01.html

Nov 29, 2012 5:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
Alex77 wrote:

It’s about time. What a mess.

Nov 29, 2012 7:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
ErnestPayne wrote:

Good. The sooner israel goes the way of the crusader kingdoms the better. Just listened to that idiot clinton repeat the same insane policy statements.

Nov 29, 2012 7:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
javedmir wrote:

– reiterated US warnings that the move could lead to a reduction of US economic support for the Palestinians — Victoria Nuland

This move if endorsed by the required number of UN members would at least be a recognition by the international community that Palestinians do have the birth right to live on their land. America and Israel now should stop blackmailing the liberation struggle which has been going on for the six decades.

Nov 29, 2012 7:22am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abbotson wrote:

So Hillary Clinton thinks it is a mistake for Palestine to be recognised as a state before negotiations are concluded? Well my dear Madame Clinton these negotiations will most probably be still going on in AD 2113. So until then Israel has a right to exist and Palestine does not? What an outrageous proposition. Well maybe the United States should not be recognised by the UN until a long overdue referendum is held in Great Britain and it results in British citizens; approval of America’s independent status; not necessarily a foregone conclusion.

Nov 29, 2012 7:31am EST  --  Report as abuse

Because Israel will never agree to the two-state solution on her own, and because there will be endless wars in the Middle East until that problem is solved, the UN vote to upgrade Palestine would seem to be a step in the right direction.

Nov 29, 2012 7:38am EST  --  Report as abuse
BlueOkie wrote:

We need to stop funding the UN, it hates us.

Nov 29, 2012 7:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
CMEBARK wrote:

The State of Israel has embarked on the same tactic that the Nazis did of lebensraum through conquest and “settlements”.

Nov 29, 2012 8:16am EST  --  Report as abuse
BioStudies wrote:

Yea this kinda reminds me of when they gave Obama the Nobel. Just another good old endorsement of terrorism.

Nov 29, 2012 9:12am EST  --  Report as abuse
AlDorman wrote:

Whereas the US consistently vetoes all condemnations of Israel by the four other UN Security Council members, making sure that the Palestinians are always screwed over, it has no ability to stop the UN committees of the General Assembly, the UNGA itself, or the ICC from criticizing or sanctioning Israel. The US and Israeli tactic has been to prevent any official world body from ever producing a text condemning Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians, lest a body of international law grow up that would stand in the way of further Israeli colonization of the Palestinian West Bank, or of its creepy and illegal blockade of the civilians of the Gaza Strip. That tactic is about to be defeated. –Juan Cole

Nov 29, 2012 9:24am EST  --  Report as abuse
Slammy wrote:

The Gaza Strip could become the Vegas of the Mediterranean. It already has great beaches, build the Casinos, offer deep family discounts and they will come. This strategy made the American Indians millions, maybe billions.

And/Or, since the real issue seems to be lack of useful land, build a peninsula into the Mediterranean to increase capacity. The World Trade center site is built on land fill and Dubai has shown the feasibility of large expansions along the coast. Beach front property and more living space for all.

My creative ideas for a peaceful long term solution anyway.

Nov 29, 2012 9:25am EST  --  Report as abuse
Jossef wrote:

The most important lessons from this move by the
the Palestinians are the violations of the 1993 Oslo Accord
by the PA and by the European countries who are
signatories to the accord(e.g. France). This should
make Israel much more hesitant to sign any future
agreements with the Palestinians and show the lack
of credibility of those European countries who support
the Palestinian move; these European countries should
never be allowed to mediate a peace agreement again.

Nov 29, 2012 9:47am EST  --  Report as abuse
bmweeks wrote:

Interesting how the world has turned against Israel and the Jews, and so quickly forgotten why they were given that land in the first place. Interesting how the Palestinians demand a state when they have had one for so long in Jordan. Most interesting how no one seems to understand that when a terrorist organization lives next door and bombards you with missiles on a daily basis and you warn them repeatedly and then finaly react, you are the bad guy. If Mexico or Canada were firing missiles into the US, there would be a swift and punishing reaction, too. Same for any country be it Egypt, Iran, etc if they too had that same problem. Dark days when the world begins to believe Israel and the Jews are the cause of all of their problems. Spoons make you fat so now we have to eradicate all spoons!! If Hamas and Iran were successfull in wiping out Israel and all of the Jews tomorrow, it wouldn’t resolve a single thing. Jihadist require someone to hate. Humanity will always have a target on someone else’s back. It is human nature to love, and to hate even more. There is no solution to this problem. A mighty long fuse to a burried bomb was lit a very long time ago. Sooner or later it’s goign to cost many, many more innocent lives and all of us will have blood on our hands. Not just the Jews or Muslims.

Nov 29, 2012 10:02am EST  --  Report as abuse
ThomasShaf wrote:

A slap in the face unless……President Obama admits that it is better to participate in a process than stand on the outside. I predict a measured public support in recognition that it is always better to have some input. Then, the US can acquiess in efforts to remove the settlements using the UN process [without having to take a position itself about whether the settlements are illegal - and politicians losing constituants support] and stop this delay, delay, delay game played by Israel to expand and entrench illegally. The equivalent of spitting in the face of Palestineans all the while extending a “media propaganda driven” peace effort – that is just a plain lie – deception at its worst.
Thomas E. Shafovaloff

Nov 29, 2012 10:06am EST  --  Report as abuse
Vuenbelvue wrote:

Since the sand pile there is about the size of the island of Haiti (without the Dominican Republic side) this should be very interesting. I hope the experts decide how to share fresh water resources, coast guard, sanitary sewage, electrical production, public works, etc. What a funny thing this will become.

Nov 29, 2012 10:09am EST  --  Report as abuse
Whittier5 wrote:

Go for it, Palestine! Even this tiny step is decades past due.
It is only Israel’s wrong-wingers who object. Certainly not half of Israelis nor most of Americans.
Now, with the American Circus over, perhaps that tan Irishman in the WH can throttle back “American” blind-support of Idiotic Israelis.

@mammawati, you are so out to lunch.

Nov 29, 2012 10:12am EST  --  Report as abuse
toledofan wrote:

It is past time for the U.S. to get out of the UN completely. This is a joke and another major humiliation to the U.S. and we will sit idlely by and do nothing. Our foriegn policy is not only a joke, it’s a disaster waiting to happen.

Nov 29, 2012 10:14am EST  --  Report as abuse
guywise wrote:

There will be peace in the region when there will be a freedom. But one with power keeps committing crimes against the weak then there will be no peace. It is very unfortunate that we are one sided on this matter.

Nov 29, 2012 10:35am EST  --  Report as abuse
crittertron wrote:

I love this so much, as an American I have always been ashamed of my country’s bias in this matter, if it were up to me this vote would have happened 20 years ago or more. I hope the rest of the world knows that not all Americans agree with their government.

Nov 29, 2012 10:51am EST  --  Report as abuse
ghpadd wrote:

Until, and unless, the so-called member nations of the UN decide to pony up their share of the costs of running the circus known as the UN, you cannot trust anything the UN says or does. Most of the countries in the UN are only mouthpieces as they have absolutely no financial interest. My vote is to limit the funds the US pays to one share of the costs. You pay for your share you get to talk. You don’t pay…you don’t talk. I for one am sick and tired of US money and assets being used against the US by the rest of the world. If we had a strong enough president he would see this and show the strength of the US fiscal might. If the Arabs want so much for Palestine to be a success, then why don’t the Arab countries contribute to their success financially? Is it because a Palestine state would be as much a threat to an Arab world as it is to a free world?

Nov 29, 2012 10:55am EST  --  Report as abuse
tmc wrote:

Israel existed as a nation (kingdom) in ANCIENT times. Literally over two thousand years ago, and only for a VERY SHORT time. It never existed again until 1948 when the NATO powers carved up the region again. Far more maps throughout history have depicted the region as Palestine than as Israel.
Modern Israel was created as @bmweeks eluded to, because the western powers felt so bad about the holocaust. So we gave them land that was not really ours to give. Remember, in 1948 there was no oil or riches of any kind in the middle-east. The “goat herders” that lived there were of no importance.
So, to @BioStudies; I am an American veteran, I am not Christian, nor Muslim, nor Jewish. I do not hate anybody. But when you take an honest look at the situation it seems to me that it is wrong to take land from one group to give to another. Second, I do not like nor tolerate people that are outwardly racist or that force their opinions on others. The Jewish people in Israel are obviously racist and are forcing their opinions on others.
I truly hope that the empathy of the last century will be replaced by some common sense.

Nov 29, 2012 10:59am EST  --  Report as abuse
GeorgeBrown wrote:

I know that the U.S. gives billions of American taxpayer dollars to Israel every year (gives, not loans) but I wasn’t aware that Washington gives money to the Palestinians. It would be interesting to compare the two amounts, purely out of curiosity of course.

Nov 29, 2012 11:07am EST  --  Report as abuse
forzapista wrote:

What an awesome day for the Palestinians. They have had nothing but broken promises all along and it will be nice for the UN to recognize them (the same was Israel was created). Despite the threats of the Big Bad (bankrupt) USA, the vote should proceed.
@Bio Studies, despite what you were taught in Hebrew School, everyone who does not agree 100% with everything Israel does is not an anti-semite.

Nov 29, 2012 11:11am EST  --  Report as abuse
Cranberries wrote:

What a bunch of trash. These people aren’t remotely intelligent enough to run a country. They live in the dark ages and wage war with homemade rockets against the strongest military in the region. I hope they get their own state. Israel will have a nice target to destroy when the Palestinians commit an act of war by firing more rockets. They do not deserve a country to run. Bring back the British Empire.

Nov 29, 2012 11:16am EST  --  Report as abuse
Rich_F wrote:

this means nothing of substance. the UN can declare whatever it wants it has no teeth because those with the power make the rules. the US and Israel are intricately tied at the hip, always have been always will be. they will not go along with anything they don’t support so all the spewing by the anti-semites and terrorist sympathizers here means nothing.

Nov 29, 2012 11:40am EST  --  Report as abuse
Eric93 wrote:

How can the UN in all seriousness ‘recognize’ ‘a Palestinian State’ when there are in fact two Palestinian states – the West Bank and Gaza. Or haven’t they in all their ‘wisdom’ noticed this. This all reminds me of how th partition of India resulted in a similar ‘Pakistan’ – made up of East Pakistan and West Pakistan. And the result was that the two ‘Pakistans’ went their separate ways since ‘geography’ is all. The result, for those who forgot, was that West Pakistan became ‘Pakistan’ and East Pakistan became Bangladesh. For those who still fail to grasp the implications and analogy here there is no ‘Palestine’ to be made a ‘state’. There are two non-contiguous geographic entities with different ideas, ideologies, and governments. The only way to achieve a real ‘state’ of Palestine is to have all Palestinians under one roof – so to speak. This would involve a population exchange where all Palestinians in Gaza (ie Gazan’s) move to the West Bank and all Jewish settlers in the West Bank move to Gaza. Then there would be a situation from which a Palestinian State could be formed and the current political entities would have to work out their differences. Anything else would be, to put it bluntly, stupidity.

Nov 29, 2012 11:49am EST  --  Report as abuse
RUKidding9 wrote:

GREAT! Let them become a state. And when the next rocket lands in Israel the Govt and declare war legally and wipe them out.

Nov 29, 2012 11:56am EST  --  Report as abuse
Politicarl wrote:

It seems to me that this will be a move towards giving the Palestinians more of a voice, more of a presence in the world, and that it should ultimately help the cause of Peace. With greater recognition and more of a voice they will likely feel less motivated to speak out with bullets and bombs.

Nov 29, 2012 12:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bmweeks wrote:

People really should brush up on their Jewish/Palestinian history.

“The commonly used name of Palestine today refers to that region of the eastern Mediterranean coast from the sea to the Jordan valley and from the southern Negev desert to the Galilee Lake region in the North. The word itself is derived from “Plesheth”, or “Philistine”. Plesheth, (root palash) was a general term meaning rolling or migratory. The ancient Philistines were not Arabs, nor even Semites, but were most closely related to the ancient Greeks originating from Asia Minor. The word Palestine (or Palestina) originally identified the region as “the land of the Philistines,” a war-like tribe that inhabited much of the region alongside the Hebrew people. But the older name from antiquity for this region was not Palestine, but Canaan, and it is the term most used in the Old Testament regarding this particular parcel of land.
The Amarna Letters (an advanced art of ancient Canaanite writing) of the 14th century BC referred to “the land of Canaan,” applying the term to the coastal region inhabited by the Phoenicians. The Canaanites had many tiny city-states, each one at times independent and at times a vassal of an Egyptian or Hittite king. The Canaanites never united into a state. The history of Palestine is complicated by the many different cultures and civilizations that have flourished in the region.”

Geographically and historically speaking, Jordan occupies much of this land, not Israel. Palestinians should be asking for land from Jordan if they want their true historical lands. It is interesting to me that we keep discussing the Palestinian race when there is no such thing up until MODERN times after Israel was formed, where as the Jewish race (not religion) has been historically documented to this region. Palestinians are a group of diverse cultures that now identify with Arab ancestry even though their roots are a conglomerate of other races and cultures from regions all over the Mediteranian, mainly Greece (yes mainly Greece and Phoenecia).
The notion of a modern distinct “Palestinian people” with a language, culture and nationality of its own, is a creation of Yasser Arafat and his notorious PLO, in unison with the Arab League, and nurtured by the surrounding Arab nations and world media, after the ignominious Arab defeat in the 1967 war with Israel. The modern so-called “Palestinian people” are, in reality, a mixture of Arabs whose mother tongue is Arabic, whose religion is Islam, and whose culture is shared by most of the 22 surrounding Arab countries.
The name “Palestine” is the Romanized version of “Philistine,” which was assigned, by the Romans to the region in the first century AD. It was a derogatory and humiliating term imposed by the Romans on the Jews, who constituted the vast majority of the people who lived there. Rome forced on the Jews and their land the name of an arch enemy of the Jews, the Philistines. Rome even went so far as to rename Jerusalem, Aelia Capitolina. Thus, the name Palestine came into prominence and remained attached to the region until the end of the British Mandate period in 1947. However, Jews have always considered the land their homeland and Jerusalem its capital. In addition, the land was never without as many Jews as the governing power would allow.

Nov 29, 2012 12:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
OzBolts wrote:

While I don’t understand any who objects to Palestinian sovereignty, eventually… I actually (and can’t believe I’m thinking this) kind of see where Clinton et al has a point.

The Palestinians are very much at the mercy of the state of Israel right now, not many would disagree with that. However, there is also the region which they all reside within very few people seem to be considering. It’s a way bigger picture than many are seeing, it would seem.

The road to peace IS a 2 state solution, brokered by Jerusalem and Ramallah… not by the UN. By the United Nations acknowledging Palestine as a non-member state, and increasing their geo-political sway and international rights measures, a few problems arise:

1)What if they want to take Israel to task for War Crimes? Well.. if that happens, the elected Hamas rebels/terrorists/whatever are equally as guilty… if not more in the eyes of the laws regarding war. (human shields, women and children, rocket sites next to playgrounds etc.)

2)If the embargos etc. are forced down, whose to say that the extremely anti-Israeli Hamas won’t do exactly what they said? Start bringing in MORE arms and experienced fighters to try and cripple Israel.

3)Humanitarian aid becomes a lot easier to cut in the eyes of the rest of the world when an oppressed people begin behaving like a “violent nation”. Remember that one.

4)The Middle East is going through a massive reshaping at this point in history… whose to say that several of the above points won’t come to fruition and turn the area into a state of Total War?

5)Let’s not pretend for a second Egypt, Iran etc. give all that much of a damn about the Palestinians for anything but political and militaristic reasons. They are a proxy to fight their enemies, the Israelis, without having to deal with the immense losses that comes with fighting the US’ “favourite son”

I know this seems all well and good, but there is a very real chance we are looking down the barrel of a gun right now.

“The road to Hell is paved with good intentions”

Nov 29, 2012 2:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rgbviews wrote:

bmweeks & NewIndependent:
Your history lessons are of no interest and please stop the outright lies. The Palestinians have formally recognized Israel’s right to exist, and have done so more than once. The whole world is willing to accept Israel’s legitimacy within it’s 1967 borders, except the extremists in Israel who want more than the world is willing to give.

…. and oh yes …..it’s time to get over your persecution complex …….start making friends instead of enemies.

Nov 29, 2012 2:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rgbviews wrote:

NewIndependent:
It is not wise to talk about accountability. Both parties are guilty, but I’d rather be the Palestinian in the docket than the Israeli.

Nov 29, 2012 2:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Rich_F wrote:

ozbolts a well thought out post, rare on a reuters site.

Nov 29, 2012 2:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ConradU812 wrote:

I blame the U.S. public school system for much of the liberal support for Palestinian acceptance into the U.N. Our school system’s history books are literally re-writing history, based on information from institutions like the Harvard Middle Eastern Studies Center and Georgetown University. The Saudi government and private Arab “benefactors” have donated tens of millions of dollars to these programs, which provide historical inforamtion for books to U.S. public schools in all 50 states.

A study was conducted on 28 of the most widely used history, geography, and Social Studies texts in our public schools. 500 historical innacuracies were found, such as America being discovered by Muslims, Jesus being a palestinian, and Jerusalem being an Arab city. Some schools are also having students (K throgh 12) memorize the 5 pillars of Islam and passages from the Koran, any of which the so-called “athiests” would have screamed foul about if the same were done of Christain text.

http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/4200

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/221607/saudi-classroom/stanley-kurtz

Nov 29, 2012 2:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rgbviews wrote:

Conrad:
Do you work for the Enquirer magazine, or are you accessing the computer in the library of your mental health clinic?

Nov 29, 2012 3:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Rich_F wrote:

rgbviews, you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. try again.

Nov 29, 2012 3:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bmweeks wrote:

@rgbviews you argument against history and calling it lies is invalid. But well played.

@OzBolts fantastic and very logical post. Best post by far.

Nov 29, 2012 3:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
KaosHiker wrote:

@ bmweeks well said. You were getting My vote, But okay Ozbolts it is.
The winner by a nose.
But hey , You still get the silver

Nov 29, 2012 4:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:

It’s a little late to not recognize America and Americans, even thought they are a large melting pot of ethnic background and have no religious stake into the land they live on. Only, the living remaining native population does.

Put that into context bmweeks.

If Palestine is not an independent state – what is it – a province of Israel. If so – why are they not welcomed in as Isreali citizens versus being pushed out economically, financially and land grab-wise?
You know the answer.

Recognizing Palestine at the UN will not achieve any lasting results, other than Israel and the USA leaving the UN at some point. Still – it puts the plight of the Palestinians more into focus.

Perhaps what was done for Israel should be done for those people living miserably in Palestine. This would end this constant nightmare.

Israel and the USA can broker nations willing to take them and put together a kitty of 1 million dollars per citizen and have the Palestinians vote on it. They can exit by 2014. They have no religious ties to the dirt they are fenced in on.

It would be far cheaper and more peaceful.
Perhaps Israel and the USA do not really want peace. Lot of reason not to have it. That is the real Rosetta stone why this goes on and on.

Nov 29, 2012 4:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
KaosHiker wrote:

@ Butch_from_PA

What country will We persuade to let these suicide bomb belt wearing, Death to anything that is not Islam live in. Maybe We could give them some land in Pennsylvania. Right next door to Your house.
Dont worry I am sure you would be safe. and when they are chopping off Your head in the name of Allah You can remind them how You took their side. its all good.

Nov 29, 2012 5:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AnandaMayi wrote:

Every evil in the world comes to an end. Today is the beginning of the end of American and Israel’s. I will go to bed a happy man.

Nov 29, 2012 5:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
kommy wrote:

Wait till 5.5 mln. expat Arabs will flood with their land claims.

Nov 29, 2012 5:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rgbviews wrote:

The UN vote is NOT a substitute for negotiations as some posters would have you think.

The UN vote simply establishes the two parties as EQUAL parties, and establishes an internationally recognized starting point for the negotiations.

Nov 29, 2012 5:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
KaosHiker wrote:

@ AnandaMayi ” I will go to bed a happy Jihadi ”

There I fixed that for Ya.

Nov 29, 2012 5:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
0okm9ijn wrote:

Congratulations to the suffering people of Palestine–long live and much, more prosperity as you form a perfect nation.

Nov 29, 2012 5:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
stambo2001 wrote:

It’s a brave new world out there. Well, the americans wanted to force the idea of democracy on the world, here’s what you get. 300 million americans cannot ever, ever, ever outvote 6 BILLION other world citizens.

This is symbolic in another manner. This may very well have the unexpected result of actually strengthening the UN. A chink has been exposed, a ray of light escapes. Sooner or later the people learn that the empire can fall.

Times, they are a changing!

Nov 29, 2012 5:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

The next missle launched will now be met with a legal response and dismantling of the non-member nation. RIP Palestine.

Nov 29, 2012 5:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rgbviews wrote:

bmweeks:
Correction: I did not call the cherry-pick history lies, it is just twisted. The lie was stating that the Palestinians have never recognized the existence of Israel.

Nov 29, 2012 5:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JamalLocke wrote:

So there’s finally a legitimate state around the area that has been known as “Israel” since 1948.

Nov 29, 2012 6:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:

KaosHiker,
We bring a lot of troubled immigrants into Canada – some really messed up with terrorist backgrounds – e.g. Somalia, yet they assimilate. Our culture softens the edges and they eventually fit in just fine.

I personally know a few Palestinians – not terrorists, just those who were desperate to escape the misery of their survival existence in Palestine.

I also know 2 Israeli families. One that emigrated for similar reasons. Israel is not the safest and happiest place to live.

I have no qualms having them live next to my home. Give someone a fresh start and they are new people.

Violent tendencies lose their power in a country not promoting violence.

Mind you – I also will not hesitate on justice at whatever means if my family is in danger. That is our family and civic duty.

What it boils down to – I would be a terrorist living in Israel as an Israeli or as a Palestinian living in Palestine, the way they presently co-habitate.

Nov 29, 2012 6:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
KaosHiker wrote:

Butch … So the honor killings, the vote regarding the implementation of sharia law in muslim communities, all that is part of the assimilation. who is being assimilated Canada?

Nov 29, 2012 6:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rubmoon wrote:

It’s about time. Good for Palestine. I think people are sick and tired of Netanyahu. I do think both Palestine and Israel need to negotiate peace and cease violence. As much as I do not agree with the creation of the state of Israel in the manner in which it was created (Zionism is wrong), it does exist and must be negotiated with by Palestine. Hopefully sone sort of peace will ensue.

Nov 29, 2012 6:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Wilf wrote:

Next step – Nobel PEACE prize!

Nov 29, 2012 6:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:

KaosHiker,

Take a look around you. There are many fringe groups living amongst you. Polygamists with under age wives, pedophiles, pimps, drug pushers, triads and mafioso groups who are performing similar in nature acts like Sharia Law abuses.

These are the exception and they are being continually hunted down and exterminated. Same with that sharia law.

Sharia law in Canada is about as long lasting and effective as the Klu Klux Clan in the USA. It get no roots and is a laughable fringe group of nuts thinking they can get away with honor killing and the likes outside of Arab states.

All those sharia law loud mouth frogs are cowards and their children soon become embarrassed by them and disown them in Western society.

I am more concerned with fast big money coming into Canada. It usually has criminal roots with political ties. These are the more dangerous elements – not individual who went thru hard times or were duped by their leaders or frustrated with no way out when they get cornered.

Nov 29, 2012 6:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

To the suggestion that the USA and Israel would leave the UN: that would be very like pouting. Between the two of them they are only about 5% of the world’s population. It will go on without them, quite likely, very happily and very productively. I don’t think the US will dare vacate it’s seat. It is conceivable they would have to reapply for membership. Both Israel and the US are living with an exaggerated sense of their own importance. The world does nothing better than change rapidly.

If any private party seeking broader justice than could be found among neighborhood bullies, were faced with punitive measures for going the route of looking to a court of law for redress, we would tend to accuse the controlling power of interfering with that party’s rights and trying to halt the process of legitimate justice. It would be illegal, I believe? It is certainly illegal to interfere with a plaintiff or witnesses once a Court has accepted a case. I don’t know why the Israeli and US government make such stupid statements as claiming they have a right to steal (withhold) tax revenues as a legitimate control of another population? They are talking and acting like Mafiosi or ward bosses.

Are they trying to use reverse psychology, perhaps, because they both must know better?

Nov 29, 2012 6:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
KaosHiker wrote:

@ Butch_from_Pa ,,, I do like Your rebuttal ..

Answer .. That is true, while those groups do exist. Theu are not all consolidated under one belief or doctrine.

However I do concede that You are Very well spoken. You state Your facts with trurh and conviction. Truly I apologize if I may have offended you with any of My statements. actually You have given Me a few points to ponder that may change some of My opinions.
Thank You
I always liked My brothers across the River. I hope the Maple Leafs always rise to 2cnd place in the NHL ” GO WINGS “

Nov 29, 2012 7:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
tizneh wrote:

It is easy for Secretary Clinton to say that this move is “counterproductive”. But the fact is that the US-brokered peace process has never borne fruit.

In the Oslo period of active negotiations (1993-2000), when Israel pretended to be willing to trade land for peace, the Israeli settler population nearly doubled. The US watched this all happen and never took any serious steps to stop Israel. In May of this year, the Council of the European Union warned that the time for a two state solution is fast running out, because of the pace of settlement expansion (which as it notes is illegal under international law) and because of what it called the “forced transfer” of Palestinians from the West Bank. The peace process is currently non-existent, because Israel won’t agree to a settlement freeze (required by the US-sponsored Road Map for Peace of 2003). The US ignores even the commitments Israel has made to itself and looks the other way on that country’s habitual bad faith in diplomacy. It is too much to ask the Palestinians and the rest of the world to go along with this.

The Palestinians simply have no reason to believe that US-backed peace talks will ever lead them to national independence. Israel shows no interest in containing its own annexationist ambitions and the US, in thrall to the domestic Israel lobby, will never say no to Israel. There is no hope for a peaceful solution if the issue is “left to the parties themselves”; i.e. left to Israel and a compliant US. The only hope is to internationalize the issue.

Nearly all the world gets it; our politicians don’t. Therefore, our politicians need to be shunted aside. Today’s vote, as a step towards internationalization, is the first bright light to shine for the cause of peace in a very long time.

Nov 29, 2012 7:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rgbviews wrote:

This is just one small step for the Palestinians. There is a long difficult road ahead.
But after today, there will only be the “occupation” of the State of Palestine and no more room for the “disputed territories”.

Nov 29, 2012 7:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
KaosHiker wrote:

@ paintcan … You do know that the U.S. was the main founding member of the U.N. We still foot the bill for 80 % of all U.N. expenses. All the Money in aid, The food,Water,and Medicine should not be delivered in boxes with a pretty blue label claiming it was provided by the U.N. They should be delivered in boxes with the American flag. With a line reading ” Donated by the loving caring American people. Who would really like to help You”
Then the World would know the truth. The United States is still the biggest advocate of peace and goodwill on this planet.
The U.N. has now become a very large group of Countries with all sorts of various conflicting Agendas trying to advance the advantage of their Countries. What is good for one Country will ultimately be bad for another so nothing can ever be agreed upon.
The U.N. has been irrellavent for a long time now.

Nov 29, 2012 7:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ThomasShaf wrote:

December 29, 2013 – Israel’s response – a threat – “Do not try to prosecute us in the International Criminal Court” – in legalese – an admission of wrongdoing. So, “the bomb” no longer is the threat it used to be. Netanyahoo’s recent policies disclosed the extent of the “new” now old secret defenses. The focus will, I predict, demand the U.S. give a new look to “illegal settlements” and just maybe the same threat to withhold money will be made to the Israeli government. Of course Netanyahoo will dust off a “bomb” for Iran to save some face. Iran sees a leader in Israel weakened and may take some action to highlight that event.
T.E.S.

Nov 29, 2012 8:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:

KaosHiker,
Hey, no offense taken by me. I love a friendly discussion sharing and bantering about opinions. Now for Detroit taking the Cup …. mmmm we shall see. Cheers.

Nov 29, 2012 8:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BioStudies wrote:

@forzapista I’m not Jewish and I’ve never been to Hebrew school.

Your comment shows your antisemitic behavior.

Nov 29, 2012 8:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
LesLegato wrote:

Israel must never and will never give up half of Jerusalem and/or create a contiguous new jihadi state that cuts Israel in half.

JORDAN is “palestine”.

Nov 29, 2012 8:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse

@OzBolts
while I don’t fully agree with your analysis I must say it is unwaveringly true in its words about Egypt&Iran.

Take Israel to International court? Sounds like a plan. At the same time, we’re gonna make sure we take a bit of a deeper look into the records of Hamas and Fatach (It’s not like it would take very much digging).

Nov 29, 2012 8:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Reuters1945 wrote:

Re: Palestinians win implicit U.N. recognition of sovereign state

But where is the word- “Again” ???

Whatever is Old – is suddenly New !
You cannot make these things up- not even in your wildest dreams.
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The same UN that has just given almost Universal support to the Palestinian cause of Statehood, already gave the Palestinians their own State, on a Silver Platter in 1947, which they were begged to accept without the need to fire a single rocket or so much as a single bullet.

It was called the UN “Partition Plan” of 1947 and all the Member nations of the United Nations were in full support.

This “Partition Plan”, intended to take affect as soon as the British vacated the region, divided all the land of British Mandate Palestine into two, roughly equal in size areas. The country was purposely subdivided NOT with a straight line across the middle but into irregularly shaped large land masses to takes into account the demographics of the different population centers. This map formula, it was hoped, would also discourage future wars.

But, most importantly, the UN was careful to make sure that both the Arabs and the Jews would each own and control a full 50 per cent of the total available land in British Mandate Palestine to create their own fully and legally independent nations.

The entire Membership of the UN were convinced this was the last, best solution to end all the acrimony and the endless, senseless bloodshed.

The UN voted and the Jews of Palestine accepted the UN decision to divide the country 50 % to the Arabs and 50 % to the Jews.

On the day in 1948 that the Jews declared themselves the free and independent State of Israel, the Palestinians could likewise, have declared their UN allocated 50 % portion of the country, the free and independent State of Palestine.

But not satisfied that the UN did not award the Arabs 100 percent of British Mandate Palestine, all the Arab countries surrounding Palestine immediately declared total war on the Jews, vowing to drive them into the sea.

The rest as they say is History.

Bravo and bravo encore to “bmweeks” and the few other rare readers of Reuters who have the decency, integrity and uncommon courage and honesty to stick to the easily verifiable facts of Middle East history.

If the latest sentiments expressed by the present day Members of the United Nations provides any happiness and/or comfort to the present day Palestinians, then I have no wish to diminish their new found happiness in any manner, shape or form. I sincerely wish them well.

All people on this Earth have a right to feel free, safe and secure within their own borders.

It is one of the great tragedies of history that the same UN that just voted in favor of Palestinian aspirations, previously voted in 1947 to award the Palestinians fully half of the geological land area of present day Israel- and without the loss of a single Arab or Jewish life.

How very sad and indeed tragic that the Arabs refused to accept what the UN was in a position to offer the Palestinians in 1947, an offer which the Jews of Palestine were fully prepared to accept in order to finally achieve peace in the country and end the senseless never ending deaths on all sides.

Now, over 60 years later, and after all the endless Middle East wars the UN is no longer in a position to repeat the offer they voted for in 1947. That boat has sailed and that train has left the station.

The commentator who stated that the Palestinians have repeatedly accepted Israel’s right to exist should feel ashamed at his abysmal ignorance of the primary facts in the Middle East.

It is one of the Sworn foundations of the Hamas Charter, as the entire world is well aware and knows too well, that Hamas will never accept the right of Israel to exist. Hamas is Sworn to the total destruction of the Jews of the State of Israel. Hamas has openly declared that as a fact.

I rather doubt these words will alter the opinions of any Reuters reader. Hatred for Israel is so deeply engrained in most of those who post here, that it is not likely that they will ever allow incontrovertible facts to get in the way of their prejudices, whether against Jews in general, or against inconvenient historical facts that contradict their mistaken world view/s pertaining to the history of the Middle East- more is the pity.

I wish to again express heartfelt thanks and deep appreciation to those readers of Reuters News, such as “bmweeks” et al, who are willing to engage in an honest dialogue where historical facts do matter and where the search for truth is taken as a sacred mission and distortion of historical facts seen as a sin.

Finally, how few people in the world, whether in Gaza, Europe or anyplace else today, know or care to remember that the vote just announced by the UN to recognize a State of Palestine is simply a repeat of something that same UN granted to the Palestinians in 1947 but which was refused by the Arab nations out of turn.

But this time around the United Nations is not in a position to also offer the Palestinians fully half of the land area of what was once referred to as British Mandate Palestine.

What the United Nations voted for in 1947, and tried its best to freely give to the Palestinians in 1947, was summarily refused by them.

Now that offer by the UN is more than a distant memory.

Indeed, most tragically, most present day observers of the Middle East, are not even aware it ever happened at all.

You cannot make these things up. Why would you wish to ?

And perhaps most ironically of all, indelibly engraved in the Marble walls outside that same UN, carved into the stone as a permanent reminder lest anyone be so foolish as to forget, are those immortal words of the great French philosopher, George Santayana, which are surely worth repeating here:

“Those who do not study History, are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past”.

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Nov 29, 2012 10:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

@Reuters1945 – Please cite a UN decision or other treaty or text anywhere that shows that Palestinians or Jews were given “states” of their own in the original partition plan. I looked – I couldn’t find one nor could I find any SC decisions from 1947 or 1948. The partition plan was based on two ethnic and religious groups living in territories they had tended to occupy before the plan and there was even some movement, Indian partition like, of existing inhabitants to settle in those areas where their own culture would be most common. The partition plan couldn’t have anticipated independent states in that area because the territorial boundaries were noncontiguous for both the Jews and the Palestinians. Both ethnic groups would have occupied territories that were interwoven with each other. It was not anticipated that Israel would be created and that they would want the entire territory for their own.

The PA also attempted to declare it’s own state in 1986 and that was ignored. I never even heard about it at the time and only saw a passing reference to it somewhere recently. Whatever it was I read, I think it said 1986.

It is amazing that people who would not put up with too strong a government hand in their own countries and their own lives, somehow, so easily adopt the imperialist attitude that power gives them the right, and even the responsibility, to divvy out other poorer and less powerful people’s property because it is more convenient for them to do that.

Nov 30, 2012 3:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
Reuters1945 wrote:

@paintcan

Thank you for both your willingness and your curiosity to research the subject of “The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine”.

Actually if one Googles “The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine” you will be amazed at the amount of historical material that is readily available. But the key to understanding the thinking behind how the UN of 1947 hoped to find a resolution to solve the problem of two groups both wanting to establish their own States is to study what occurred on 29 November 1947, when the General Assembly adopted a resolution recommending the adoption and implementation of the Plan as Resolution 181.

It was expected that the new states would come into existence two months after the final withdrawal of the British, but in any case, no later than 1 October 1948. This is all explained in detail in the text attached below.

As I stated previously it was planned that the two states would be equal in size but would not be totally separate entities but rather a set of large interlocking masses of land that would encourage and lead to all types of economic interaction/s that would benefit everyone.

Regarding your statement below that quote:

“It was not anticipated that Israel would be created and that they would want the entire territory for their own”.

Allow me to point out that this is precisely what was envisioned by the UN, that is to say, two States living side by side, but it is totally incorrect to suggest the future State of Israel wanted all the territory for their own. In fact the Jews were quite satisfied to share the territory with the Arabs as suggested by the proposed UN map.

Contrary to your statement, it was in fact the Arabs who adamantly rejected any suggestion that Palestine should be shared by both Arabs and Jews. That is precisely why the Arabs launched the War of 1948 with the intention to destroy the State of Israel in its very hour of birth.

All the work done by the UN at the time, regarding their attempts to arrive at an equitable distribution of land to both the Arabs and the Jews has been fully documented and preserved for the historical record for future generations. There is no mystery involved and anyone is free to research all that transpired in 1946, 1947, 1948, etc.

Please Google “UN Partition Plan” and start from there. A good introduction to the historical facts can be found in the Wikipedia article of which just a small part is quoted below. Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
Anyone who really wants to know how the world got from point “A” in the Middle East conflict in 1947 to points “X, Y, and Z” in the present can easily do so with the help of a laptop, from the comfort of one’s armchair.

UN General Assembly Resolution # 181 (ii) came to a vote on November 29, 1947. All pertinent Documents still exist. The official “Subject” of the Vote was titled: “Future Government of Palestine”.

The well Documented result of the vote was that the Resolution was adopted.

It is interesting to note that in a moment of unintended candor, in 2011, Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas stated that the Arab rejection of the partition plan was a mistake he hoped to rectify.

In fact the entire Arab world is well aware that rejecting the UN Resolution of 1947 was the single greatest mistake they ever made.

Most tragically, both Palestinians and Jews, in heartbreaking numbers, to this very day, have paid an incalculable price for that mistake.

Once again “paintcan”, let me say I am impressed by the fact that you want to learn more about the root causes of half a century of needless wars and needless suffering on all sides in the Middle East conflict/s.

If only there were more Reuters readers like you, but alas that is not likely to happen any time soon.

Cheers

Please read everything below and then access the full article at Wikipedia.

The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine (of 1947)
________________________________________________________

The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine was a plan for the future government of Palestine. The Plan was described as a Plan of Partition with Economic Union which, after the termination of the British Mandate, would lead to the creation of independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem. On 29 November 1947, the General Assembly adopted a resolution recommending the adoption and implementation of the Plan as Resolution 181(II).[1]

Part I of the Plan contained provisions dealing with the Termination of the Mandate, Partition and Independence. The Mandate would be terminated as soon as possible and the United Kingdom would withdraw from Palestine no later than the previously announced date of 1 August 1948. The new states would come into existence two months after the withdrawal, but no later than 1 October 1948. The Plan sought to address the conflicting objectives and claims of two competing movements: Arab nationalism and Jewish nationalism (Zionism). Part II of the Plan included a detailed description of the proposed boundaries for each state.[2] The Plan also called for Economic Union between the proposed states, and for the protection of religious and minority rights.

The Plan was accepted by the leaders of the Jewish community in Palestine, through the Jewish Agency.[3][4] The Plan was rejected by leaders of the Arab community, including the Palestinian Arab Higher Committee,[3][5] who were supported in their rejection by the states of the Arab League. The Arab leadership (in and out of Palestine) opposed partition and claimed all of Palestine.[6] The Arabs argued that it violated the rights of the majority of the people in Palestine, which at the time was 65% non-Jewish (1,200,000), and 35% Jewish (650,000), [7] most of European origin, [8] who immigrated in the late 19th and first half of the 20th centuries as a result of the Zionist movement (see Zionism).

Immediately after adoption of the Resolution by the General Assembly, the Civil War broke out.[9] The partition plan was not implemented.[10]

In 2011, Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas stated that the Arab rejection of the partition plan was a mistake he hoped to rectify.[11]
(continues at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine )

Nov 30, 2012 5:31am EST  --  Report as abuse
Reuters1945 wrote:

@paintcan

Thank you for both your willingness and your curiosity to research the subject of “The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine”.

Actually if one Googles “The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine” you will be amazed at the amount of historical material that is readily available. But the key to understanding the thinking behind how the UN of 1947 hoped to find a resolution to solve the problem of two groups both wanting to establish their own States is to study what occurred on 29 November 1947, when the General Assembly adopted a resolution recommending the adoption and implementation of the Plan as Resolution 181.

It was expected that the new states would come into existence two months after the final withdrawal of the British, but in any case, no later than 1 October 1948. This is all explained in detail in the text attached below.

As I stated previously it was planned that the two states would be equal in size but would not be totally separate entities but rather a set of large interlocking masses of land that would encourage and lead to all types of economic interaction/s that would benefit everyone.

Regarding your statement below that quote:

“It was not anticipated that Israel would be created and that they would want the entire territory for their own”.

Allow me to point out that this is precisely what was envisioned by the UN, that is to say, two States living side by side, but it is totally incorrect to suggest the future State of Israel wanted all the territory for their own. In fact the Jews were quite satisfied to share the territory with the Arabs as suggested by the proposed UN map.

Contrary to your statement, it was in fact the Arabs who adamantly rejected any suggestion that Palestine should be shared by both Arabs and Jews. That is precisely why the Arabs launched the War of 1948 with the intention to destroy the State of Israel in its very hour of birth.

All the work done by the UN at the time, regarding their attempts to arrive at an equitable distribution of land to both the Arabs and the Jews has been fully documented and preserved for the historical record for future generations. There is no mystery involved and anyone is free to research all that transpired in 1946, 1947, 1948, etc.

Please Google “UN Partition Plan” and start from there. A good introduction to the historical facts can be found in the Wikipedia article of which just a small part is quoted below. Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
Anyone who really wants to know how the world got from point “A” in the Middle East conflict in 1947 to points “X, Y, and Z” in the present can easily do so with the help of a laptop, from the comfort of one’s armchair.

UN General Assembly Resolution # 181 (ii) came to a vote on November 29, 1947. All pertinent Documents still exist. The official “Subject” of the Vote was titled: “Future Government of Palestine”.

The well Documented result of the vote was that the Resolution was adopted.

It is interesting to note that in a moment of unintended candor, in 2011, Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas stated that the Arab rejection of the partition plan was a mistake he hoped to rectify.

In fact the entire Arab world is well aware that rejecting the UN Resolution of 1947 was the single greatest mistake they ever made.

Most tragically, both Palestinians and Jews, in heartbreaking numbers, to this very day, have paid an incalculable price for that mistake.

Once again “paintcan”, let me say I am impressed by the fact that you want to learn more about the root causes of half a century of needless wars and needless suffering on all sides in the Middle East conflict/s.

If only there were more Reuters readers like you, but alas that is not likely to happen any time soon.

Cheers

Please read everything below and then access the full article at Wikipedia.

The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine (of 1947)
________________________________________________________

The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine was a plan for the future government of Palestine. The Plan was described as a Plan of Partition with Economic Union which, after the termination of the British Mandate, would lead to the creation of independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem. On 29 November 1947, the General Assembly adopted a resolution recommending the adoption and implementation of the Plan as Resolution 181(II).[1]

Part I of the Plan contained provisions dealing with the Termination of the Mandate, Partition and Independence. The Mandate would be terminated as soon as possible and the United Kingdom would withdraw from Palestine no later than the previously announced date of 1 August 1948. The new states would come into existence two months after the withdrawal, but no later than 1 October 1948. The Plan sought to address the conflicting objectives and claims of two competing movements: Arab nationalism and Jewish nationalism (Zionism). Part II of the Plan included a detailed description of the proposed boundaries for each state.[2] The Plan also called for Economic Union between the proposed states, and for the protection of religious and minority rights.

The Plan was accepted by the leaders of the Jewish community in Palestine, through the Jewish Agency.[3][4] The Plan was rejected by leaders of the Arab community, including the Palestinian Arab Higher Committee,[3][5] who were supported in their rejection by the states of the Arab League. The Arab leadership (in and out of Palestine) opposed partition and claimed all of Palestine.[6] The Arabs argued that it violated the rights of the majority of the people in Palestine, which at the time was 65% non-Jewish (1,200,000), and 35% Jewish (650,000), [7] most of European origin, [8] who immigrated in the late 19th and first half of the 20th centuries as a result of the Zionist movement (see Zionism).

Immediately after adoption of the Resolution by the General Assembly, the Civil War broke out.[9] The partition plan was not implemented.[10]

In 2011, Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas stated that the Arab rejection of the partition plan was a mistake he hoped to rectify.[11]
(continues at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine )

Nov 30, 2012 5:32am EST  --  Report as abuse
Naksuthin wrote:

60 years ago black people in the US couldn’t eat in the same restaurant as white people. They couldn’t live
in white neighborhoods, go to white schools, drink from white drinking fountains, sit side by side on the same bus.

Today blacks and whites in the US have learned to work and live together side by side in peace. Even electing a black President .

Meanwhile in Israel a childish schoolyard feud between Jews and Palestinians has been going on for well over 60 years, too.

Yet Jews and Palestinians are no closer to living side by side in peace today than they were 60 years ago.

During those 60 years Apartheid in South Africa ended; Communists and Capitalists figured out a way to co-exists and cooperate; the IRA ended its bloody war in Ireland; America and Communist Vietnam buried their differences and now share diplomatic and trade relations.
Today Russians coexist peacefully with Germans even though the Germans killed 13-20 million Russians during World War II; Native American Indians coexist peacefully with the same white people that robbed them of their lands and forced them to live in concentration camps. Even Israel is now strong allies with Germany…a country that institutionalize the extermination of 6 million Jews.

People across the globe have learned to put aside their differences. They have learned that there is more to be gained by working together than fighting against each other.

Only the the Jews and the Palestinians, continue their decades old feud of self-righteous hatred and revenge.

If Jews and Palestinians aren’t intelligent enough to find a non violent, less destructive way to live in peace…like everyone else…maybe they should be left to bomb each
other for another 60 years or until nothing is left in Israel and Gaza but of rubble and dead bodies.

Obstinate Stupidity has a price.

Nov 30, 2012 7:03am EST  --  Report as abuse
javedmir wrote:

Something has been achieved. Of course it is the time for the smiles but still much more miles are still ahead to cover by the Palestinians.

Nov 30, 2012 10:16am EST  --  Report as abuse
YoungTurkArmy wrote:

I spent my first 24 years in the US, the next 40 in Canada. I am now living in Mexico and, for the first time, “my” government supports Palistine! Viva Mexico! Viva Palistine!

Nov 30, 2012 11:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

“The Plan was accepted by the leaders of the Jewish community in Palestine, through the Jewish Agency.[3][4] The Plan was rejected by leaders of the Arab community, including the Palestinian Arab(s)sic.”

I think you could have done without the patronizing tone, but that sentence above suggests that if that experiment in state building had been tried any other place on earth, especially in the imperial homelands of the managers of the situation, it would have died immediately. And the reason being, they would have fought like hell to stop it!

The Arabs were in no condition to do that. Now they are. And the Israeli’s can only expect that reaction because they claim they are a “people” who have a valid right to press claims for their religious or ethnic ancestors. The Arabs can easily, and even more reasonably, make the same claim. And heir claims don’t; rest entirely on religious interpretations of the situation.

“Separation of Church and State” – you know?

Nov 30, 2012 12:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

@reuters1945 – Reuters has, so far, not printed my first reply and that gives me a chance to make a better one. And I forgot to address it to you.

“The Plan was accepted by the leaders of the Jewish community in Palestine, through the Jewish Agency.[3][4] The Plan was rejected by leaders of the Arab community, including the Palestinian Arab(s)sic.”

I think you could have done without the patronizing tone, but that sentence above suggests that if that experiment in state building had been tried any other place on earth (except Africa), especially in the Imperial homelands of the managers of the situation, it would have died immediately. And the reason being, they would have fought like hell to stop it! The Arabs have been saying since the beginning that it was – to paraphrase – sweeping the European’s dust under the Middle East’s rugs. And at the time that’s all the Arab world was really known for.

The Arabs were in no condition to do anything to effectively block the situation. The wars since were only a symptom of the underlying malaise. Now they are in a situation to press hard. And the Israelis can only expect that reaction because they claim they are a “people” who have a valid right to press claims based on their own interpretation of rights they derive from their religious or ethnic ancestors. The Arabs can easily, and even more reasonably, make the same claim. And their claims don’t rest entirely on religious interpretations of the situation. So many of them had deeds recorded with the days of the Ottoman Empire.

Planning board reviews in this country can be more intractable. A developer really has to mind their manners with them. But it’s amazing the latitude war allows the dominant. All the homilies, in comments above, about national intelligence and fair play are flaccid sermonizing compared to the power of victory at war.

“Separation of Church and State” – you know? That is not a principal that was operating when the partition plan was written. The entire western world was looking for a way to recompense for the Nazi genocide and the Arabs were the cheapest means available at the time. The rationales, excuses and apologies for the situation, ever since, has really only been a form of political “theology”.

A peace will take in the ME as long as neither side is humiliated, or forced to be less than they really are, by that peace.

Nov 30, 2012 12:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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