Israel says will stick with settlement plan despite condemnation

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pcwrk wrote:

Finally the world is looking at this whole situation objectively. I’m not saying one side is right over the other but I am honestly getting tired of the “Israel can do no wrong” mentality. I wish a third party government could be created to govern the both the Israeli and Palestinian states. Tear down the walls and blockades and let them figure it out with an objective government.

Dec 03, 2012 7:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
reality-again wrote:

In 1956, following Egypt’s ‘nationalization’ of the Suez canal, the UK and France formed a coalition with Israel, and took the canal and Sinai peninsula from Egypt in a swift, successful military campaign.
Their joy over the achievement was short lived, as the US told the winners to return the canal and the Sinai peninsula to Egypt.
It was an embarrassment for those two old European colonial powers, and Israel learned a thing or two as well.
The bottom line is that since then, the US calls the shots in the Middle East, and neither the UK, nor France, or anyone else has enough power to change reality, sometimes referred to as ‘reality on the ground’.
The UK and France might face another embarrassing moment if they recall their top embassadors to Israel…

Dec 03, 2012 7:37am EST  --  Report as abuse
CMEBARK wrote:

This smacks of colonization by conquest…lebensraum.

Dec 03, 2012 7:44am EST  --  Report as abuse
tmc wrote:

You’re welcome Mr. Mohsen. Stop beating your women and maybe we’ll treat you better.

Dec 03, 2012 7:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
AZreb wrote:

Hopefully the UK, France, Russia and other countries who are appalled by Israel’s actions will recall their ambassadors. Of course, we won’t do that because we seem to back Israel in any and all of its actions, no matter how unconscionable.

And the “withholding” of funds due to the Palestinians is just pure THEFT – but no one has the guts to say that.

Dec 03, 2012 7:50am EST  --  Report as abuse
Charles613 wrote:

Abbas refuses to negotiate. It’s time that Israel put the land to good use.

Dec 03, 2012 7:54am EST  --  Report as abuse
pbgd wrote:

The frightening fortress style of the architecture with tiny shooting embrasures for windows indicates the danger to which the unhappy future residents will be exposed.

Dec 03, 2012 8:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
jrpardinas wrote:

Israel is a rabid little state drunk with too much military power.

It means to disenfranchise the Palestinians indefinitely. Keep them under its iron heel like modern Helots.

A bully in the mold of the patron saint of military bullies – the USA.

Dec 03, 2012 8:20am EST  --  Report as abuse
derdutchman wrote:

By what right do France and Britain tell Israel what Israel can or cannot do on land Israel owns by right of conquest? The next thing we can expect is for Britain to tell the United States what it can or cannot do in the colonies, and France will demand America rezone the Statue of Liberty to prohibit vendors from making replicas without the permission of the French. Don’t Britain and France have some British and French problems to which they can devote their attention?

Dec 03, 2012 8:24am EST  --  Report as abuse
breezinthru wrote:

It’s plain to see that Israel has never really wanted a two-state solution.

They were simply giving lip service to the idea while taking actions that gradually absorb the land surrounding Israel.

Dec 03, 2012 8:37am EST  --  Report as abuse
Empricial wrote:

I guess you guys don’t actually know what the settlements are, and where they are.
There are places that are under Israeli authority, and are considered as part of Israel. That areas are where the settlements are build.
That abovementioned ares are called – A territory, and it is of Israel’s land.
The other territories which are devoted to Palestinians are B and C, where there are no settlements.
All in all, what you call a “settlement” is actually just a regular form of micro-city, inside Israel’s terriroty, the same as villages in European countries.

Dec 03, 2012 8:44am EST  --  Report as abuse
JackVigdor wrote:

Muslims invaded The Land of Israel in the 700s. They forced the indigenous Jews to either leave the land or convert to Islam. Now they returned from their diaspora to their homeland and the world is siding with the invaders.

Dec 03, 2012 8:44am EST  --  Report as abuse
amsterdamaged wrote:

Israelis acting like stubborn, spoiled five year old children. It’s what they do best.

Dec 03, 2012 9:56am EST  --  Report as abuse
usagadfly wrote:

Israel has been facing significant criticism in the USA as well, and has for years. But, since we do not believe in political representation of political minorities especially of certain colors, it does not matter here. We do not allow political choices that are not “approved” in Tel Aviv on out ballots here.

We are an Israeli colony, sadly.

Dec 03, 2012 10:00am EST  --  Report as abuse
jch229 wrote:

Why is everyone acting so surprised?They told you how they would react before you did it.It is absurd to feign surprise now.This is what you chose with your vote at the U.N…perhaps you have all gotten a little to used to your own two faced ways to recognize that your actions have consequences….but they do.

Dec 03, 2012 10:20am EST  --  Report as abuse
jch229 wrote:

Why is everyone acting so surprised?They told you how they would react before you did it.It is absurd to feign surprise now.This is what you chose with your vote at the U.N…perhaps you have all gotten a little to used to your own two faced ways to recognize that your actions have consequences…But they do.

Dec 03, 2012 10:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
mohamedmohsen wrote:

Most of moslem people were either Jewish, or Christian origin they did not come from the rainy Sky,
besides the story of beating women, The gentleman who says that women are beaten, I like you to know one has a mother to begin with (which is a sacred figure in all religions we know of) who ever does beat a woman no sane human being. Great respect to humans only

Dec 03, 2012 10:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
Reuters1945 wrote:

@amsterdamaged
You stated quote: “Israelis acting like stubborn, spoiled five year old children. It’s what they do best”.

Actually what Israelis do best is create major high tech breakthroughs in every conceivable area of science including medicine, disease control around ther world, chemistry, physics, water desalination projects that benefits agricultural success in impoverished Third World nations to better feed their people, nano technology in everything from superconductors to cell phone technology, etc. etc.etc.
Not to mention the highest proportion of Nobel Recipients in Science in the world based on per capita population numbers.

Please list, if you can, what scientific contribution/s any surrounding Arab country has contributed to the world in the past one hundred years that has benefited humanity.

I truly regret all the misery that has befallen both Arabs, Christians and Jews, et al, in the Middle East during all of its long history.

The United Nations voted in 1947 to try to end all that misery by dividing Palestine into TWO States, one for the Arabs and one for the Jews. The Jews, as the entire world knows, immediately agreed to the Two State solution arrived at by a majority of all the UN Members in 1947.
But the Arab nations unanimously rejected the UN’s TWO State solution and attacked Israel from all sides vowing they would never agree to the idea of Jews sharing any part of the Middle East.

Every tragedy that has engulfed the area once known as British Mandate Palestine, ever since 1948 can be laid at the doorstep of the Arab countries surrounding the tiny State of Israel that occupies just a few per cent of the total land area of the entire Middle East.

But the truth always hurts so it is more convenient to pretend the Palestinians were never offered a State of their own.

Every Arab leader who ever lived right up to the present, recognizes that the biggest mistake they ever made was to refuse to accept the solution the UN voted for in 1947 to divide Palestine equally between the Arabs and the Jews.

But all the Arab countries were so certain in 1948 that they could easily defeat the tiny State of Israel in the very hour of its birth, that the Arabs saw no reason to accept the UN resolution to create both a Jewish State and an Arab State.

The Arabs exhibited the ultimate degree of Hubris in 1947-1948.

But to this very day, neither they nor their supporters around the world can summon up the decency, the integrity or the plain old fashioned courage of character to openly admit they were wrong NOT to accept the UN’s Two State solution of 1947.

It is a pity all around.
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Dec 03, 2012 10:46am EST  --  Report as abuse

Wake up! Is anyone truly surprised? This is the outcome Israel has always planned. Never has a peace plan or separate state for the Palistinans been an Israeli goal. They now have just expedited what has been on their strategic agenda for years, if not always. In the name of religion and God, Israel is systematically destroying the people of Palistine. Israel is all about selfserving and self promotion and God has little to do with their decisions or actions. As historical societies go Israel now is following in the path of the ancient Egyptians and the German Nazis with the repressive deplorable treatment of millions of Palistinians in the name of national interests and security. The U.S. needs to do a reality check and step back from Israel and see the situation as two societies whose members ALL have rights and quit relating to the Israeli government as Ordained by God. They are no better than any other country in the world community. They deserve no special treatment or altered rules simply because they consider themselves God’s children and their country mandated by God. What about the rest of the people in the world? The Jews of Isreal need to be taught a lesson about equality of all people!

Dec 03, 2012 10:52am EST  --  Report as abuse
aware wrote:

..and this arrogant behavior deserves a rocket storm… and tell me israel is not another nazis regime…

Dec 03, 2012 11:24am EST  --  Report as abuse
reality-again wrote:

@mohamedmohsen

I agree with your comment – Ironically, even the Koran mentions the existence of Jewish tribes in Arabia. Ignoring the fact that today’s Palestinian Muslims have both Arab (Muslim), Christian and Jewish origins is unrealistic.
Also, needless to remind to Reuters’ readers that some of the Palestinians are Christians to this day, as millions of Egyptians, Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc are.
Some 20% of Israeli citizens are of Palestinian origin – both Muslims and Christians, and they enjoy the prosperity and freedom that Jewish citizens benefit from.
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict could have been solved within a week, if not for religious fanatics who think in ‘absolute’ (“divine”) terms:
On the Muslim side, you find the idea of ‘Muslim states’ that simply ignores the multiculturalism that has always characterized the Middle East, even under the Ottoman (Turkish) Empire.
There are religious nationalistic fanatics on the Jewish side too, but whenever there was a chance of reaching an agreement with the Arabs, Israeli right wing governments managed to curb these extremists, such as with the peace treaty with Egypt, the withdrawal from Gaza, etc.

Dec 03, 2012 11:29am EST  --  Report as abuse
usagadfly wrote:

Actually, what the Israelis do best is to carry out the will of God.

After all, God gave them dominion over all of the “beasts of the field”, which includes all Gentile semi-humans, and thus they have the Divine Right to rule over all mankind and the whole planet. Read about it in the Bible. So bow down and submit to your Masters, O World!

And since they are commanded to “go forth and multiply”, they are invoking their own version of lebensraum. The concept is valid and good, but only when implemented by Hebraic rather than Teutonic peoples.

Of course, having the US taxpayer provide the necessary funds through many “backdoor” channels disguised as everything from defense and pure “research” to “co-production” and “product development aid” is on the menu too, to fulfill the Destiny of God’s Chosen People. It is the way of righteousness. Just attune your ears.

Dec 03, 2012 11:31am EST  --  Report as abuse
aware wrote:

@nativearizonan are you serious? majority of US government are jews! How do you expect US policy to be reasonable to Palestinians??????

Dec 03, 2012 11:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Israel complains: “The U.N. can’t just create a country without consulting the neighbors first.”

Dec 03, 2012 11:40am EST  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:

Throughout civilized history a group of people bound by religion with the sword and money as their creed has taken and taken and taken refusing to cooperate to the point animosities become so vile – they are pounced upon in a riotous fever and saved only by the grace of strong leadership. What makes it so that this nation walks this familiar path over and over and over again?

Dec 03, 2012 12:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JackVigdor wrote:

@Butch from PA
Are you referring to the Muslims who conquered the Land of Israel and imposed Islam on the inhabitants? Or are you referring to the European countires which went to Africa and forced Christianiaty on the inhabitants? Or are you talking about the Christians who invad the Middle East during the Crusades?

Dec 03, 2012 12:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JackVigdor wrote:

Aware, what a silly fellow you are. Moslems outnumber Jews in America and most elected officials in the US are Christians of some sort, not Jews. Whatever your information sources are, you need to think more clearly.

Dec 03, 2012 12:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JackVigdor wrote:

Who are the real bullies? Who invaded an international even which is supposed to stand for peace and killed innocent athletes? Who invented the modern airplane hijacking? Who attempted to assassinate the King of Jordan in September of 1970?

Dec 03, 2012 12:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
fromthecenter wrote:

They will continue to flaunt the rest of the world as long as they continue to own the govt of the united states.

Dec 03, 2012 12:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Brazilian1 wrote:

The recent vote by the UN last week was totally meaningless. The Palestinians had already been given a state in 1947 by the UN’s partition plan.

But they rejected that plan because it included a Jewish state, the existence of which they have refused to accept . Had it not been true, the wars of 1948-49, 1967, 1973 would not have broken out.

Dec 03, 2012 12:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Maybe the world needs to get the new nations of Israel and Palestine the same color of juice boxes so they don’t fight over them. Israel lives off American welfare. Hamas lives off of Iranian welfare. Jesus Christ, when are you mid-east nut cases going to grow up and get a job.

Dec 03, 2012 12:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jont wrote:

If Israel is still relying on “The Holocaust”, to justify its actions, that game is over along with “The Nuremberg Trials”. My father was on Omaha Beach, fought through Normandy, help free Paris, withstood the Battle of the Bulge,invaded Germany, over the Remagen Bridge and received three Purple Hearts,loosing an eye and achieving the rank of Master Sargeant, in the field.
Israel,receives daily the most sophisticated American weapons and demands additional American funding to sudsidize Israel’s Economy.
But,Israel lives in a different time now, America does not need them anymore. It is a corrupt Country under the control of Netnanhyua nd his “paid off politicians”.
Denying the right of the Palestinians a free state with its own borders and government by Israel’s continued settlements makes me sick.
Hamas won, and Israel is scared much like President Obama.

Dec 03, 2012 1:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Scrap the EU-Israel Association Agreement, now!

The immediate scrapping of the EU-Israel Association Agreement, which gives unrestricted access to trade with the EU, will see an immediate withdrawal of all new settlement proposals and the eventual repatriation of all illegal settlers back to their homes in Israel.

The Israeli government only understands two factors: economics and power, and without the hugely profitable, bilateral trade with the EU market, it has neither. All the threats of settlement expansion will then cease overnight. Without trade with the EU, Israel reverts back to being primarily an exporter of citrus fruit, potash and computer software with a population of just 7m people in 20,000 sq kms with few natural resources and of little geo-strategic or other value.

The political blackmail will cease! The nonsense of Netanyahu threatening the UN and the world will cease! Eventually even the US congress will understand that without the EU market, its Middle Eastern ally returns to the insignificance of being just another small state on the Eastern Mediterranean, barely the size of Wales.

Then perhaps, after 70 years of conflict, the international community can finally start to build a negotiated peace in this vitally important region of the world. Jerusalem will once again become the Holy City with free access to all and the United Nations will secure an independent state for the Arabs of Palestine, in 2013, the same as it did for the Jews of Palestine, in 1948.

In essence, there should be no difference. There are about 5.5 Jews and 5.5 million Arabs and they need to co-exist with 50% each of the available land and natural resources including water and coastline. Both states should be demilitarized by order of the UN Security Council and the US should permanently cease all arms shipments with immediate effect.

All that is necessary to achieve this positive result is to abrogate the EU Agreement, which should not have been entered into in the first place.
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paintcan wrote:

@derdutchman – your argument is nonsense. Modern nations since the founding of the UN have agreed to the Geneva conventions and those outlaw the rights of conquest and spoils of war. The Israeli government doesn’t seem to like that part of the conventions. Their idea of God isn’t quite that modern and the modern world is very inconvenient to the extreme right in Israeli politics. Their “God” has the personality, and historic “wisdom” of a silver back gorilla. He is not at all generous to outsiders. They are also very familiar with the concept of “infidels” except they don’t use the same word.

BTW – the examination of religious beliefs has become the norm in recent years. It fact – it may be long overdue. They can’t all be right and they can’t all be wrong – so something has to give.

I am quite sure that the religious right in Israel is far more interested in their own welfare first, last and always, and their “God” has been house trained to accept their interpretation. It’s quite possible for people to see their own refection whenever they see the “will of God”. I think most people tend to do that. Their own concerns are always the matter closest at hand and one cannot understand what cannot be understood by mortal minds. And that observation is from the Bible too.

usagadfly – I hope you’re being sarcastic? It sounds like you are. Sarcasm is hard to make clear without tone of voice accompaniment.

@AlkalineState – that is very funny and apt!

Not to any comment above:
The idea that ‘ethnicity” is somehow a deciding factor seems to indicate that, even in this country, there are people prepared to save the Israeli way of doing business and, quite possibly, risk loosing their rights in their own country as a result of forgetting principals of equal protection under the law that are obliged to ignore issues of ethnicity.

BTW – what else to you call people who aren’t included with equal rights under Israel occupation? They aren’t Israelis by a decision made by the Israelis. They have the upper hand and the higher degree of responsibility. The brutal Romans were far more generous with even some of their mortal enemies. They usually made the occupants of captive provinces citizens (including the Old Hebrews), it should be remembered. “Palestinians” is a good enough name for the excluded.

Are you sure the issue of illegal settlements and occupation are worth forgetting principals of equal protection and fairness that govern far more than about ten or fifteen million people? There is a New Testament quote one seldom hears. “The children of this world are wiser than the children of light”.

Of course, if things go very badly over there, an awful lot of people could find themselves becoming “children of light” in a few milliseconds. I rather hope it doesn’t happen, but I’m not an optimist. The popular word for the Nazi genocide has become “the Holocaust” and that, uncomfortably, implies that “God” likes mass exterminations as a sacrificial offering from time to time.

To borrow from the Old Testament: “Vanity of vanities, all is vanity!”

Dec 03, 2012 1:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bermyluv wrote:

For those needing a history lesson…
While the Jewish people have existed since the time of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the Kingdom of Israel first came into existence around 1000 BCE. An independent Israel existed in some shpe or form for only the next 500 years when they were conquered by the Babylonians. They were subsequently subjugated by the Persians, the Greeks and the Romans. It was the Jewish revolt against the Romans in the 2nd century CE that led to the destruction of Jerusalem and the dispersion of the Jewish people from the region. The Arabs conquered the region in the seventh century CE and it was under their control until the end of the first world war when Britain took over.

So the question of who has a right to the land is not so clear. The thing is, the Judeo-Christian link has biased most western nations to favor Israel’s position. When you combine that with the fact that throughout their histories, most of the European nations have dealt with the “Jewish problem” harshly, you can clearly see the reasoning behind their desire to redress the wrongs perpetrated by their hate and jealousy made manifest through the nazis.

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xcanada2 wrote:

@Reuters1945:

What I’d like to know is, if the Zionist Jews are so smart, why did they decide to take over Palestine???

It they are so smart, don’t they have have something better to do with their lives???

Dec 03, 2012 1:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
VincentVery wrote:

Get your pink wigs, red noses and big shoes out for circus is back in town. Let me tell you what will happen now. US will make statement finding settlements ‘unhelpful, as that is the only thing they are allowed to read from Zionist script, UK will protest ‘very strongly indeed’ which will be followed by Telaviv call t White House ‘put those British dogs on the leash’ (which happened when Israel falsified British passports to carry out state sponsored assassinations so that was the last we heard on that subject), White House will call Downing Street ‘either you shut your mouth or we will shut it for you’ and Britan being the

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RRowleyTucson wrote:

The San Remo conference gave Jews the right to settle in the WHOLE of Palestine in perpetuity. The British Mandate of 1922 includes Gaza and the West Bank as Jewish territory. The British Mandate also provided for the establishment of a Palestinian State. It’s name is JORDAN today. Hence there are today NO Palestinians as the former Turkish Protectorate of Palestine no longer exists. Those who refer to themselves as “Palestinians” are the true occupiers as their legal homeland is Jordan. The ‘pre-1967 borders’ that many speak of were nothing but de-facto cease fire lines, and had no legal basis at all. When Israel took control of Gaza and the West Bank in 1967, they simply reclaimed what was rightfully theirs and so Israel building these 3000 new homes is completely legal. Something else to consider, the UN, in bifurcating Palestine, violated international law, Article 80 of the UN Charter prohibits this action.

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stambo2001 wrote:

@reuters1945 You would like some contributions to science from ‘arab’ countries? Well, first there are those arabic numerals. You know, 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. How do you like them apples Shineshine?!? How about the concept of 0 (zero) from Mesopotamia. Then there’s a little thing called medicine. Then the fact that Arabs were bathing while europeans were wallowing in their own filth and covering the stench with powders and perfumes. Just saying.

Dec 03, 2012 1:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BillDexter wrote:

The history is long. Hamas and the Zionists each claim land ownership and invasion by the other going back thousands of years. Still, I am disappointed in this latest move by Israel. Very disappointed.

Dec 03, 2012 1:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ChangeWhat wrote:

Palestinians don’t want to co-exist so therefore kill them all. They had the option for a two state resolution and they did not agree to it because they wanted to push Israelites “back to the sea”. They even called on their muslim brothers from other nations to help. Big mistake if you ask me, the muslim nations received exactly what they had coming to them for their inability to recognize another peoples on the face of the earths right to exist. This still stands true with the muslim in this day and age, they cannot coexist its such a shame.

Palestinians continuously spark the war with Israel with their blatant rocket attacks, and suicide attacks in the country before the Gaza blockade. Israel has a right to defend itself even against a third world civilization. Israel should have gone through with the offensive and removed hamas once and for all instead of stating new units being built.

If the Palestinians truly wanted peace they could have had it several times now, but again they keep shooting rockets by their elected hamas government. If Canada was firing rockets into the United States I would expect my country to protect me and remove the enemy fully and completely.

Dec 03, 2012 1:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ChangeWhat wrote:

Palestinians don’t want to co-exist so therefore kill them all. They had the option for a two state resolution and they did not agree to it because they wanted to push Israelites “back to the sea”. They even called on their muslim brothers from other nations to help. Big mistake if you ask me, the muslim nations received exactly what they had coming to them for their inability to recognize another peoples on the face of the earths right to exist. This still stands true with the muslim in this day and age, they cannot coexist its such a shame.

Palestinians continuously spark the war with Israel with their blatant rocket attacks, and suicide attacks in the country before the Gaza blockade. Israel has a right to defend itself even against a third world civilization. Israel should have gone through with the offensive and removed hamas once and for all instead of stating new units being built.

If the Palestinians truly wanted peace they could have had it several times now, but again they keep shooting rockets by their elected hamas government. If Canada was firing rockets into the United States I would expect my country to protect me and remove the enemy fully and completely.

Dec 03, 2012 1:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Brazilian1 wrote:

@ RRowleyTucson
Very good point. Thanks.

Dec 03, 2012 1:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
VincentVery wrote:

Get your pink wigs, red noses and big shoes out for circus is back in town. Let me tell you what will happen now. US will make statement finding settlements ‘unhelpful’, as that is the only thing they are allowed to read from Zionist script, UK will protest ‘very strongly indeed’ which will be followed by Tel Aviv call to White House ‘put those British dogs on leash’ (which happened when Israel falsified British passports to carry out state sponsored assassinations so that was the last we heard on that subject), White House will call Downing Street ‘either you shut your mouth or we will shut it for you’ and Britain being ever the obedient pet poodle will fold its tail between its hind legs and that will be the end of it. It makes you wander what would the world look like if Hitler won in WW2. The only thing that has changed are uniforms and haircuts as Nazi ideology seems to be rampant but there would have been peace in ME I can assure you of that. Those that died in WW2 must be somersaulting in their graves. Children and grand children of holocaust survivors to behave like this, there is no animal in animal kingdom to behave with such contempt towards another form of life but their days are thankfully numbered.

Dec 03, 2012 2:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
americanguy wrote:

Cut off the billions we give them to act like Nazis.

Dec 03, 2012 2:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Life1 wrote:

@ChangeWhat: Calling for the genocide of an entire people. Very classy.

Dec 03, 2012 2:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse

time to cut them loose, sink or swim, grow up and take care of your own arrogant land grabbing business.

Dec 03, 2012 2:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
CephasKeith wrote:

Israel; a rogue state
Israel’s defiance of the international community in pursuing its illegal settlement activities is a reflection of the US unconditional support for its escalating atrocities against the Palestinian people. By equipping Israel with the most sophisticated nuclear arsenal, the US has created and uncontrollable monster in Israel. Israel has become a rogue state. The US must decide whether the price is too high for securing the services of Israel as its eyes and ears in the Middle East.

Dec 03, 2012 2:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
puzzled wrote:

How can Israel wonder why the WORLD hates them? They are stolen land that was given to them after a world war, they stole the palestinians land, they demand reparations for their “holocaust” tragedies yet they are doing worse to the palestinians – they are creating anti-semitism because of their arrogance, their terror and their lack of respect to the international community – Israel has no one to blame for the hatred except themselves. And Netanyahu is the worst possible dictator ever planted

Dec 03, 2012 2:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bom wrote:

Shows that Israel is dedicated to peace but to have it all!

Dec 03, 2012 3:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Byron5 wrote:

You know what else doesn’t stop growing?… cancer

Dec 03, 2012 3:05pm EST  --  Report as abuse
puzzled wrote:

@changeWhat – how can you call for the extermination of the palestinian race – you are a complete Nazi – they too called for the extermination of the Jewish race – how can you even set double standards like that – what a waste of space you are

Dec 03, 2012 3:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
stambo2001 wrote:

It’s a repeat of WWII, only now it’s the Jews themselves attempting genocide on the people that wish to be known as Palestinians. Oh the irony, right down to the ghettos and checkpoints. Now the world has to decide whether to sit and watch history repeat itself or wage war against Israel and their enabler the USA. Strange days indeed.

The UN Security Council will be toothless as the americans will veto any resolution decided against the Zionists, to their historic shame. Who would of thought in our youth that the world would be today looking at America as the new global evil? Go obama go! I wonder how the Nobel Peace Prize council thinks of giving barry that award now, harhar! Well, Time magazine DID have Hitler as a man of the year once upon a time too.

Dec 03, 2012 3:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse

@ChangeWhat
Wow, you have absolutely no critical thinking skills, don’t you?

Dec 03, 2012 3:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:

The issues between Greece and Turkey were resolved on Cypress by having an independent army/police force in place.

The United Nations should enact a plan for a police force between the 2 nations overlapping by 5 miles on each side – with a heavy penalty for breaking of the code of peace.

Whichever side refuses this would be considered the aggressor and independent penalties worked out at the UN – e.g. sanctions or other.

At least on paper this will show the aggressor nation.

Dec 03, 2012 3:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

You know what will help Israel and Palestine get along better? A common enemy to fight against. Instead of helping these two sides, the rest of the world should be bombing them both (or at least stealing their olives). Something. Think of it as a team-building exercise to end the most tedious standoff on earth.

Dec 03, 2012 3:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
1bar1 wrote:

Cut off the untold billions in ANNUAL U.S. taxpayer dollars –
that is a protest they will understand.

Dec 03, 2012 3:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
stambo2001 wrote:

Apparently we all originated in Africa, so who do I talk to at the United Nations to have a country in Africa partitioned for me and mine? Sooner or later we’ll prove life originated from somewhere closer to the centre of the universe; just wait till we file claim for THAT place too.

Dec 03, 2012 4:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ConradU812 wrote:

It appears that Israel is finally understanding that they are dealing with a bunch of politically correct U.N. minions and morons. The U.N.’s widget factory is falling down becuase they’re using non-entities (palestine) as world pillars. Fools following fools.

Dec 03, 2012 4:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Israel rejects U.N.’s authority to recognize a new state; denies U.N. involvement in formation of Israel,1947. Also refutes ‘theory of gravity.’

Dec 03, 2012 4:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
EvilAxis wrote:

If you ever want to read the comments of someone who is completely out of touch with reality read all of Stambo comments…..This individual is borderline paranoid delusional personality….In his comments he compares the Israelis to the Nazi (how many gas chambers are the Israelis running?) This , if anything, shows a complete lack of understanding of the current situation and history as well. Then he compares Obama to Hitler……Lol…your comments would be funny if they weren’t so pathetic. Stalin had a term for people like you…useful idiots…..I hope that you are an arab because at least that might explain your disability.

Dec 03, 2012 4:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

What Isreal and its supporters do not get is….

Settlements on Palestinian land that Israel took over by force are equal to Palestinian militants lobbing rockets at Israel. They are both provocative acts showing no respect or willingness to deal with the other side in productive manner.

Dec 03, 2012 4:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
quatra wrote:

Just like unruly children.

Dec 03, 2012 4:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
VincentVery wrote:

I wander what it feels like to be American tax payer these days. 50 million of your own people are living without basic medical care whilst your government is pumping billions into Israel which in turn makes you look like a bunch of monkeys in front of the rest of the world. How does it go…

“O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?”…

I love that ‘the land of the free’ part the best. Well, at least we have something to laugh about.

Dec 03, 2012 4:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Grant_X wrote:

Just for argument’s sake, let’s say that in 1947 the UN agreed to put Israel in New York, and pushed all of the American residents out of New York to New Jersey. Then, in 1967 Israel invades New Jersey saying it was their land too. Then, they build settlements in New Jersey.

Would any American stand for this? Anyone? We did steal the land in the 1600-1800′s from the Native Americans living here, after all. So would anyone stand for something like this for one minute?

Dec 03, 2012 5:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
explorer08 wrote:

I used to be an adamant supporter of the Israeli cause but, in my estimation, the Israelis have morphed into nothing more than arrogant idealists. The US should refocus its efforts on the western hemisphere and let things float where they will in the eastern Mediterranean.

Dec 03, 2012 5:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

“Israel re-draws borders to include Elko, Nevada and the parts of Mongolia that have water.”

Dec 03, 2012 5:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Humey wrote:

Its funny, the Europeans nations either voted for or abstained
during the Palestinian vote and now now are amazed that the
Israelis are reacting to the vote and not listening to them.
Europeans like for jews to bend over and take in the posterior.
They can feel bad for you but when jews protect their interests
then they are the bad guys. For every action, there is a
reaction.

Dec 03, 2012 5:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

“For every action, there is a reaction.”

… says the guy who liked it when the UN invented a state called Israel in 1947 and then moved the locals on to a reservation next door.

Dec 03, 2012 5:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Time to reduce, or stop completely, foreign aid to Israel, something that will more than likely catch their attention. It won’t be long before Israel is completely dominated by UltraOrthodox Jews and then the country will collapse from within. At that point the majority of the population will be engrossed in prayer and religious study with no one left to work or pay taxes or serve in the military. Israel will ultimately succumb to the extreme views and policies of the far right elements of the present government and the atmosphere of hostility it fosters towards all its neighbor in the region. A little good will could create a lot of good will.

Dec 03, 2012 6:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bobber1956 wrote:

obama takes another stand for islam.

Dec 03, 2012 6:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
OntheBalcony wrote:

Either Netanyahu is an idiot or he is callously engaged in a well thought out cruel. callous cynicall ploy to (a) give the finger to the Palestinians (b) determine the practical resolve/depth of international support for Palestinians in light of the recent UN vote (c) create or regain negotiating leverage by creating a non-existing bargaining chip from thin air.

Netanya is not an idiot. On one hand, it is a brilliant propoganda move, on the other, it makes it easy to understand why less Machiavellian world leaders consider him a dangerous manipulative liar. Perhaps the best response is for truly concerned nations to simultaneously recall their respective Ambassadors “for consultations” while sending Israeli ambassadors back to Israel with confidential letters to be hand delivered to Netanya and instructions not to return without a written response. In effect, call Netanyahu’s bluff and wipe that supercilious smirk off his face.

Dec 03, 2012 7:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
stambo2001 wrote:

@evilaxis Gas chambers? How droll! The zionists use american drones to do the killing instead. Targeted assassinations. No courts. My, how law abiding, democratic, and moral that is. But they only kill Palestinians, and they don’t have any more value than animals to you Zionist supporters, now do they?

Are you stating that both Obama AND Hitler were not Times ‘person of the year’?! That was my comparison…and it is fact. Are you saying that the Palestinian camps don’t exist? They do. Are you saying there are no checkpoints? There are. Do the Zionists take Palestinian lands for their own use…like the Nazi’s did to the Jews themselves? Yup, they sure do. What about bulldozing farms? Ditto. Taking their money? Yes as well.

So where is the staggering difference you see? I think you interpret the truth as a form of terrorism. You can’t face the truth so you resort to purple faced, drooling rage against reality.

Dec 03, 2012 7:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
EvilAxis wrote:

@stambo…..you have once again reminded us all of your ignorance. First I would like to be clear that I am not a ‘zionist supporter’ exclusively or whatever you like to label all people that disagree with your “truth”.

The obvious solution to the never ending game between the Israelis and Palestinians is a two-state solution. Within that you must understand that the Palestinians will not be given the right of return or many of their other demands. SImilarily the Israelis will have abandon the settlements that they have made on Palestinian territory…Anyway you know nothing of the intracacies of the conflict as shown by your previous statements. Anyone who believes that its ‘all the Nazi Israeli Zionist Facists fault’ obviously does not possess critical thinking skills.

As for your comments about democratic values etc, I find it laughable that you condemn Israel and the US while your Palestinians murder each other and drag their fellow country men through the streets on the back of motorcycles….I am sure those guys had a fair trial.

No country is prefect obviously but the Americans and Israelis are in a ‘damned if you do damned if you don’t situation…..Whatever they do will be condemned by the ravenous horde of online intellectuals such as your self…

The point of your comment was to compare Obama to Hitler for supporting Israel, which you then attempted to backtrack from due to your realization of how foolish you must have looked…..How in all honesty do you pretend to have any sort of objective opinion about the situation when your description of events refers to the Israelis as the Nazi’s and Obama as Hitler? I guess they didn’t teach you in elementary school that making up lies doesn’t prove your point.

I truly hope that some sort of solution can be reached between the Israelis and Palestinians, but as a realist I see no end to this issue….It is obvious by now to all that Palestinians hate the Israelis more than they care for their families and children….whatever it takes to defeat the infidels I guess….If only the Palestinians would have been smart enough to accept the Oslo accords, they will not recieve a deal any where near as generous in the future…..

As for yourself I know what I have wrote will make no difference as you are a committed “anti-zionist.” You will continue to claim that the US/West and Israel are the new Nazi’s, while pardoning all the actions of your Jihadi friends…..After all you are just another useful idiot….Keep up the hyperbole you Palestinian Facists Nazi Communist Jihadi (see I can put ‘outrageous’ labels on people too) have a good one, and maybe do us all a favor and volunteer for Hamas during the next conflict, at least then you can die a martyr.

Dec 03, 2012 7:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
stambo2001 wrote:

@evilaxis okay then, WiseOne, what of the Orthodox Judaists that stand against the Zionist state? You may want to consider I am more self-loather than Arab. Did that cross your mind? Do you understand the reference? There are Jews around the globe of the mind that the Zionists are a false people supposing themselves, in arrogance, performing the work of God.

The people living in the ‘land of Palestine’ refused the actions of the League of Nations, but had the decision forced upon them regardless. Funny how the Palestinians were not allowed to refuse the global majority then but the Zionists feel free to refuse the global community today. Flake.

Dec 03, 2012 8:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse

@jrpardinas
you know why Israel has such fierce and overwhelming (at least as the Palestinians are concerned) military power?
Because #1 Israel is home to a lot of technological innovation
and
#2 because they have to have it. Literally every one of the nations that surround them whether peaceful or hostile want Israel destroyed.

Dec 03, 2012 8:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gunste wrote:

Let us face it. The Israeli Right Wing want all of Palestine to be incorporated into Israel. They just cannot figure out what to do with all the Palestinians. “Never again”. reminds them what was done to them.
If Israel wants to buck the world opinion, cut their financial support from the US.
What they are doing is like Mexico annexing all the Latino settled areas in the US. What would the US do?

Dec 03, 2012 8:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse

@paintcan
What kind of person discredits the atrocity of the holocaust with quotation marks?

The arguments on this thread may be fierce and even hostile, but none have sunk nearly that low. Reuters is a relatively unbiased news source with legitimate information. The level of disrespect you show with your comment is borderline indescribable. If we wanted to read mindless hate mongering we could go to a website where they tolerate that profound intolerance.

Dec 03, 2012 8:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gunste wrote:

Let us face it. The Israeli Right Wing want all of Palestine to be incorporated into Israel. They just cannot figure out what to do with all the Palestinians. “Never again”. reminds them what was done to them.
If Israel wants to buck the world opinion, cut their financial support from the US.
What they are doing is like Mexico annexing all the Latino settled areas in the US. What would the US do?

Dec 03, 2012 8:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

@newlyindependent – Doesn’t that suggest that founding that state, unlike those states around it, might have been a very bad practical judgment call on the part of foreign powers? Israel is the only one of the ME states that has an endless appetite for more ground. Just compare what happened there in the last 60 years to what happened to the neighboring states’ boundaries. Those were also recently invented. And the Israeli’s are pursuing a just foreign policy? Their justice has so far been defined, what is due and right for Israel and they alone have the right to territory gained by conquest. That was the Nazi claim too! The UN has continually condemned that point of view but called them the occupying power with responsibilities they neglect or ignore. The Iranians are defying the SC, and they are being condemned and sanctioned on only a suspicion. There is no true rule of law on the face of the earth now and it could easily be characterized as a planet of warlords, or potential warlords.

And just because the US may have grown the same way doesn’t make it the legal way for the future. If you want to be the bullying power you have to stay strong and that is difficult for the population if the contest in sever enough. They get exhausted and they start to die. Strong states hate the weak within their populations. That was noticeable in the last presidential election. Hannah Arendt called them States of Will, I think. Israel is one now and still masquerades as the victim of bullies.

BTW – There are right wing elements in Israel that think it shouldn’t settle for even the West Bank and Gaza but should try to reclaim the maximum extent of the biblical Israel. That included parts of Syria, Lebanon and Jordan, apparently. Your grandkids could be arguing about the rights of the occupied Lebanese and even Syrians after the “peacemaking” Israeli’s occupied them under US protection in 2025? Maybe sooner – things move so fast today. In fact, because, it seems, the world needs the bipolarity of winners and losers, perhaps the west will devolve into economic and political turmoil while the East becomes the center of world civilization? The biggest numbers will likely speak the loudest. And they can sell affordable weapons of the latest designs to our “freedom fighters”. Then we can redecorate our suburbs too. They would go down like forest fires.

Every other country in the ME is full of “religious fanatics” but only the Israeli’s have the correct interpretation of historical facts, are sane, and have technical and cultural sophistication? Sure they are! They are definitely more advanced in some things. But they can also be accused of making sure the situation stayed that way as long as possible to their support and profit. Many would make that charge. Friendly neighbors don’t swindle each other. It’s liable to bring out the killer in each. BTW – The Jews in the ME were actually engaged in what we would call loan sharking: at least some of them, in more desperate circumstances. Never believe the malarkey that tries to characterize a “people”. Nobody’s all good. A “people’ are usually everything they can imagine or are allowed to be.

It seems to me the only thing that makes states very dangerous to each other is the degree of organized, militant ideological commitment engendered in their populations. People may have old-fashioned social notions and not be militarily or economically strong. That’s obviously the case in Israel/West Bank/Gaza but the better armed guy is likely a cop, a police warden or a thug. The credibility of Israel as a just Cop is questionable, the role of warden, disgusting, and the role of thug becoming more obvious.

If I was a Palestinian I think I would want my full civil rites and fullest measure of self determination and control for the country of it’s own national resources. In other words, it wouldn’t matter which side of the wall I lived on because neither would, over time, be worse to live in than the other. Anything insisting on that division is wrong. And there should be an effort to determine who was unjustly deprived of their means on either side during the period of difficulties. If that could be rationally and legally decided and restitution made, and the decision was globally accepted, what would anyone there have to reasonably complain about?

Otherwise the issue will go on as the bloody and expensive drain on the resources of both parties for a very long time. Have they turned each other into masochists to drain their energies? Or is that what keeps them motivated and they can drain the attention and treasuries of the world to their murderous obsession?

Actually, it’s the only continual bloody conflict that I know as much about for as long as I can remember. It is a conflict that draws up all sorts of personal memories regarding its defining issues. I’m jaded now and think it’s the best show in the house. This is more serious than watching slather movies and I donlt tend to watch them. And this event has been the emotional core of so much ME history and even threatened to constrain my movements as a citizen of the US. It contains the mother-load of reasons to go to war and stay at war. It could be the “engine of the world” and illustrates that somehow people have to bleed to eat and that “God” always wants his blood sacrifices. I think it’s the feast of Ball. I think that’s the message.

And I will hate the sight of it until I close my eyes for the last time, my brain turns to dust, and anything I knew about the universe goes with it.

Ashes to ashes, Dust to Dust, the world was a horror, and now YOU are dust.

BTW – once one has become dull to the charge of being anti-Semitic, or anti-ethnic anyone, and actually learns to see people as equals and worthy or respect and even love – you also catch on and realize they can be truly despicable and you just have to hate their guts.

But I’m a big boy now and learned how to sit on my hands when I want to punch someone. Among the civilized set – the sight of the gesture alone should be enough. You just don’t make any money sitting on your hands. Somehow all that blood turns to gold and the crime of the situation is: the sacrifice is very one sided as are the profits.

Dec 03, 2012 10:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

Excuse me – I made a mistake regarding loan sharking. I meant to say the Middle Ages. I am also old enough to know that any “people” can engage in sharp practice. The Jews didn’t invent it and aren’t the sole practitioners and, frankly, have the better regulated and “enlightened” society (in my opinion) than the less affluent or sophisticated Palestinians, and that is rapidly changing. But Israel wouldn’t have received the premises they occupy now if it hadn’t been for the depressed and undervalued character of the neighborhood. It was a definite “fixer-upper”.

Dec 03, 2012 11:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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