King of Jordan visits West Bank to congratulate Abbas

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reality-again wrote:

“Palestinians fear that Israeli housing in the area could divide the West Bank and make the creation of a contiguous state impossible, concerns shared by some of Israel’s closest allies.”
This argument is moot, since the territory controlled by Palestinians is already divided in two: The Gaza strip along the Mediterranean, and the West Bank dozes of miles from there.
Palestine was not meant to have a contiguous territory even in 1947, when the UN decided to divide the land between the Jewish and Arab communities living in it.
The solution to this conflict is political and strategic – The Palestinians need to realize that being in such proximity to Israel naturally and inevitably means close relations between the two countries – Relations based on mutual interests and cooperation, and not on quibbling over land, which delays any solution.
Since the Palestinians have a weak hand in this game, they should play it the best they can, rather than try to play a better hand that they don’t have, or attempt to play a game of total war, like the second Palestinian government Hamas does.

Dec 06, 2012 10:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

@realityagain – Neither side was supposed to have contiguous borders. The plan was based on existing settlement patterns and Israel didn’t like the situation. That isn’t being said and is even being lied about now.

The new state should take those settlements as compensation for the loss of other territories. What other country on earth would put up with Sharon’s ridiculous policy? What other country on earth had ever faced a situation like this? States have confiscated property (Israel for one) or nationalized private property with compensation (many other countries) before.

It’s never a good idea to build on real estate without clear title to the site. The Israelis have never had, what could be called, clear title to the West Bank. They don’t decide those issues themselves, obviously! They just might loose them to the rightful owner. It isn’t clear what site were gained by purchase and what site were gained by confiscation. It doesn’t matter what one calls the occupants of the West Bank, they are still claimants to the property (or at least what wasn’t purchase outright).

The Israeli’s keep the IDF in the West Bank for very tangible gains and anyone with an ounce of brains knows that!

If the Israelis didn’t want to face this day they could have managed the situation a lot more generously. Instead of clinging to their “Jewishness” and building one of the prettiest ghettos in the modern world, they could have incorporated the West Bank and started to raise those people to be world class and not mortal enemies. They would have been a lot smarter to invest in a “charm offensive” rather than in bricks, mortar, and tanks. The early Israelis had one hell of an attitude. I have been hearing it for over 50 years.

It would serve them right to loose all the settlements to the new state. IF the cost of a life and property, dubious imprisonment of ten of thousands, torture and extra judicial assassinations were calculated in the cost of retributions, (actually, they don’t raise that issue) the West Bank and Gaza would have a big back bill to present the Israelis. The disproportionate loss of civilians may look good to the hawks but it looks terrible in any other situation. What do you think would happen to anyone else doing that anywhere else, except maybe Rwanda?

In a world run by a true rule of law, this situation could not have occurred. It is still a world managed by warlords.

Dec 06, 2012 1:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

excuse me – what “Sites”- my terrible glasses.

And BTW – one of the things I noticed about the early history of the State of Israel was the fact that the existing Jewish inhabitants, pre-partition, were not all that welcoming of the idea of a “Jewish State” either. They knew it would make trouble with their Arab neighbors. Mass movements have a life of their own and bulldoze anything in their path. And the first thing that dies is a feel for proportion, balance and common sense.

The Palestinians have been very long suffering actually. The Israelis have been behaving like spoiled, and very arrogant, brats.

The Movie Exodus (haven’t seen it in decades) painted the British as villains and they had very good sense.

How does anyone think the settlers would react if they found their servants had become their masters?

“building tunnels, bridges, roads there to facilitate Palestinian movement,”

That’s so sweet. That’s what you build to facilitate the movement of deer or moose. But it proves that the roads built in the West Bank were, as the Palestinians have been saying all along, reserved for the Israeli settlers. No wonder the Israelis supported apartheid S. Africa. They are so much like them.

I’m just aching to read more about the filthy business of settlement construction. It’s a pity, because the biggest and best are all so pretty and well designed, from what I have seen. The Palestinians never seemed to have appreciated the views from hilltops. But then again – they never had a chance to build anything without Israeli interference.

Dec 06, 2012 2:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DeanMJackson wrote:

Firstly, the term “Palestinian” was a national designation given to the inhabitants of the Jewish Homeland in 1922. Other than that, it had no ethnic/intrinsic nationalist* value, which is why the territory was re-named Israel on May 14, 1948 when the Jews declared independence.

Secondly, Arab governments resurrected the defunct “Palestinian” name in 1964 (at the first Arab League summit in Cairo, Egypt, where the PLO was officially created and launched) when they were forced to alter their strategy towards Israel, because Israel in 1963 had either tested their first nuclear bomb or actually acquired their first nuclear bomb.**

This brings us to the Six-Day War, which was planned (with the cooperation of the USSR) to be lost by Arab governments, so as to operationalize the Arab governments’ proxy strategy, using the newly-minted “Palestinians”.

Note that Arab governments never did create an “Arab” state for West Bank/Gaza inhabitants between 1948 – 1963, nor a “Palestinian” state (when “Arabs” was changed to “Palestinians”) between 1964 – May 1967.

The next phase of the Arab governments’ Long-Range Strategy will be to have Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza renounce their claim for an independent state and opt to become Israeli citizens instead, which is what they are according to the Palestine Mandate of 1922. When one throws in Arabs living in the refugee camps, the Jewish inhabitants of Israel will be electorally out-voted, leading to the reincorporation of the territory that is now Israel back into the Arab fold.

There is, however, one tactic that Israel will use to thwart the “new” Arab governments’ Long-Range Strategy:

Israel’s counter-strategy to offset the looming Arab electoral majority will be to offer Jews living all over the world automatic Israeli citizenship, thereby conferring the right to vote in Israeli elections, swinging the electoral balance back overwhelmingly to the Jewish side.

Contemporaneous with events described above, watch for the fake “collapse” of the Chinese Communist government (following the last major Communist disinformation operation: The fraudulent collapse of the USSR. Both disinformation operations fall under the “Long-Range Policy”, the “new” strategy all Communist nations signed onto in 1960 to defeat the West.), when soon after that “collapse” Mexico will request the “assistance” of Chinese troops in combating the then spreading Mexico City-manufactured “drug wars” there. America, however, will be stymied from preventing the presence of Chinese troops in Mexico due to emergencies that will “suddenly” crop up in the Korean peninsula, the Balkans, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.
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*”The First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations (in Jerusalem, February 1919), which met for the purpose of selecting a Palestinian Arab representative for the Paris Peace Conference, adopted the following resolution: “We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds.”[60]” – Wikipedia, “Palestinian People”.

and

“An all-Palestine Congress was held in Jerusalem between January 27 and February 10, 1919, to formulate a common policy, called “program”, on Palestine to advise Faisal while attending the Paris Peace Conference on behalf of the Arabs. The Jerusalem Congress was presided over by ‘Aref Pasha al-Dajani who was, at the time, the president of the Jerusalem branch of the Muslim-Christian Association mentioned earlier. (Representatives of the Association also attended the General Syrian Congress in Damascus.)(8)

The Jerusalem Congress, resolved to reject political Zionism and to accept British assistance on condition such assistance would not impinge upon Sovereignty in Palestine.(9) Basically, the Congress wanted Palestine to be part of an independent Syrian State to be governed by Faisal of the Hashemite family. It
also preferred U.S. political tutelage, should this be necessary, or British tutelage, as a second choice, but under no circumstances would the Congress accept French political guardianship.” – PALESTINE:
FACTIONALISM IN THE NATIONAL MOVEMENT (1919 – 1939), DR. MANUEL HASSASSIAN.

Note that DR. MANUEL HASSASSIAN inadvertently admits to the lie of the “distinct Palestinian People” when he writes, “Basically, the Congress wanted Palestine to be part of an independent Syrian State to be governed by Faisal of the Hashemite family.”

In these consultations between Arab elites of Palestine circa 1919-1920, there was NO mention of the “distinct ethnic Palestinian people”. They referred to themselves as Syrian, Arab.

** Note: Arab governments held their first Arab League summit the very year after Israel’s reputed first test (or acquisition) of a nuclear bomb. The summit was necessary in order to implement a new Pan Arab government “Long-Range Strategy” towards Israel.

Dec 06, 2012 3:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DeanMJackson wrote:

Firstly, the term “Palestinian” was a national designation given to the inhabitants of the Jewish Homeland in 1922. Other than that, it had no ethnic/intrinsic nationalist* value, which is why the territory was re-named Israel on May 14, 1948 when the Jews declared independence.

Secondly, Arab governments resurrected the defunct “Palestinian” name in 1964 (at the first Arab League summit in Cairo, Egypt, where the PLO was officially created and launched) when they were forced to alter their strategy towards Israel, because Israel in 1963 had either tested their first nuclear bomb or actually acquired their first nuclear bomb.**

This brings us to the Six-Day War, which was planned (with the cooperation of the USSR) to be lost by Arab governments, so as to operationalize the Arab governments’ proxy strategy, using the newly-minted “Palestinians”.

Note that Arab governments never did create an “Arab” state for West Bank/Gaza inhabitants between 1948 – 1963, nor a “Palestinian” state (when “Arabs” was changed to “Palestinians”) between 1964 – May 1967.

The next phase of the Arab governments’ Long-Range Strategy will be to have Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza renounce their claim for an independent state and opt to become Israeli citizens instead, which is what they are according to the Palestine Mandate of 1922. When one throws in Arabs living in the refugee camps, the Jewish inhabitants of Israel will be electorally out-voted, leading to the reincorporation of the territory that is now Israel back into the Arab fold.

There is, however, one tactic that Israel will use to thwart the “new” Arab governments’ Long-Range Strategy:

Israel’s counter-strategy to offset the looming Arab electoral majority will be to offer Jews living all over the world automatic Israeli citizenship, thereby conferring the right to vote in Israeli elections, swinging the electoral balance back overwhelmingly to the Jewish side.

Contemporaneous with events described above, watch for the fake “collapse” of the Chinese Communist government (following the last major Communist disinformation operation: The fraudulent collapse of the USSR. Both disinformation operations fall under the “Long-Range Policy”, the “new” strategy all Communist nations signed onto in 1960 to defeat the West.), when soon after that “collapse” Mexico will request the “assistance” of Chinese troops in combating the then spreading Mexico City-manufactured “drug wars” there. America, however, will be stymied from preventing the presence of Chinese troops in Mexico due to emergencies that will “suddenly” crop up in the Korean peninsula, the Balkans, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

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*”The First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations (in Jerusalem, February 1919), which met for the purpose of selecting a Palestinian Arab representative for the Paris Peace Conference, adopted the following resolution: “We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds.”[60]” – Wikipedia, “Palestinian People”.

and

“An all-Palestine Congress was held in Jerusalem between January 27 and February 10, 1919, to formulate a common policy, called “program”, on Palestine to advise Faisal while attending the Paris Peace Conference on behalf of the Arabs. The Jerusalem Congress was presided over by ‘Aref Pasha al-Dajani who was, at the time, the president of the Jerusalem branch of the Muslim-Christian Association mentioned earlier. (Representatives of the Association also attended the General Syrian Congress in Damascus.)(8)

The Jerusalem Congress, resolved to reject political Zionism and to accept British assistance on condition such assistance would not impinge upon Sovereignty in Palestine.(9) Basically, the Congress wanted Palestine to be part of an independent Syrian State to be governed by Faisal of the Hashemite family. It

also preferred U.S. political tutelage, should this be necessary, or British tutelage, as a second choice, but under no circumstances would the Congress accept French political guardianship.” – PALESTINE:
FACTIONALISM IN THE NATIONAL MOVEMENT (1919 – 1939), DR. MANUEL HASSASSIAN.

Note that DR. MANUEL HASSASSIAN inadvertently admits to the lie of the “distinct Palestinian People” when he writes, “Basically, the Congress wanted Palestine to be part of an independent Syrian State to be governed by Faisal of the Hashemite family.”

In these consultations between Arab elites of Palestine circa 1919-1920, there was NO mention of the “distinct ethnic Palestinian people”. They referred to themselves as Syrian, Arab.

** Note: Arab governments held their first Arab League summit the very year after Israel’s reputed first test (or acquisition) of a nuclear bomb. The summit was necessary in order to implement a new Pan Arab government “Long-Range Strategy” towards Israel.

Dec 06, 2012 3:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
reality-again wrote:

@paintcan
You wrote (quote): “Neither side was supposed to have contiguous borders. The plan was based on existing settlement patterns and Israel didn’t like the situation. That isn’t being said and is even being lied about now.”
This is a grave misrepresentation of the truth.
In fact, the Jewish population accepted the 1947 UN resolution dividing the country into two states, and the Arab (i.e. Palestinian) population totally rejected it, vowed to ‘clean’ the country from the ‘invaders’, attacked civilians in Jewish settlements all over the country, and invited Arab states including Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and even Iraq to send their troops to help finishing the ‘cleaning’ job.
Reality turned out to be different, as we know, and the state of Israel was recognized by the UN in 1948, while the Palestinians had to live under Egyptian occupation in Gaza, and become Jordanian citizens in the West Bank, occupied by Jordan. It didn’t occur to the Palestinians, or to either Egypt or Jordan that a Palestinian state should be formed in these Palestinian territories occupied by Arab states.
In 1967, Egypt and a couple other Arab states vowed to invade Israel again, and massed troops along Israel’s borders.
Israel used the opportunity to kick out the Egyptian army from Gaza, and the Jordanian legion (army) from the West Bank.
Then, suddenly, the idea of a Palestinian state became a uniting cause for Palestinians and Arab countries.
To this day, there is no coherent and accepted Palestinian leadership, and no serious Palestinian peace policy.
The legitimate Palestinian government in Gaza was overthrown by a terror organization named Hamas, and the Palestinians live under two governments, one of which (Hamas) does not even recognize the right of Israel to exist as a state, and vows to kill Jewish civilians wherever they are.

Bottom line – There are no Palestinian partners for Israel for a serious peace process at this time. It’s all just smoke and mirrors, whining about Israel’s ‘unfair policies’, and vowing to keep the struggle until the last Israeli is killed or “kicked back into the Mediterranean” – an expression commonly used in the Arab world.

Get real, please!

Dec 06, 2012 4:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Reuters1945 wrote:

@DeanMJackson

Just to add some facts to what you have stated, whether people choose to agree with you or wish to dispute some of your positions, one fact that cannot be disputed is that the General Assembly of the United Nations voted overwhelmingly, on 29 November 1947, that the entire area of British Mandate Palestine should be divided EQUALLY between the Arab Palestinians and the Jewish Palestinians. This proposed map voted on and approved by the United Nations in 1947 is readily available on the Internet.

The Jewish Palestinians accepted the UN vote of 1947 but the Arabs universally rejected any idea that they should share any part of British Mandate Palestine with the Jews.

The UN partition resolution vote of 28 November 1947 was never suspended or rescinded.

Thus, Israel, the Jewish State in Palestine, was born on May 14,1948 as the British finally left the country.

Immediately, five Arab armies (Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq) invaded Israel. Their intentions were declared by Abd Al-Rahman Azzam Pasha, Secretary-General of the Arab League who boastfully and quite chillingly stated:

“It will be a war of annihilation. It will be a momentous massacre in history that will be talked about like the massacres of the Mongols or the Crusades.”

In the ensuing war of 1948, attacked from all sides, by five Arab nations with fully armed and mechanized modern armies, many originally supplied by the British government, the newly born State of Israel lost approximately 1 % (one per cent) of its population.

This would be the equivalent of the United States losing 3,000,000 (Three Million) soldiers in a battle that lasted less than a year.

Stated differently, the comparable loss for Israel, per capita, exceeded the sum total of all the casualties the United States ever lost in ALL the combined wars it has ever fought since 1776.

And if only the Arabs had been satisfied to receive half of British Mandate Palestine and agree to share the land equally with the Jews, 50/50, as the 1947 UN vote stipulated, countless lives might have been spared on both sides.

Instead, Abd Al-Rahman Azzam Pasha, Secretary-General of the Arab League boastfully and chillingly stated:

“It will be a war of annihilation. It will be a momentous massacre in history that will be talked about like the massacres of the Mongols or the Crusades.”

And more than half a century later, Hamas and those groups that support Hamas, in other Arab nations, are still calling for Israel’s total destruction, not understanding that they are on the wrong side of History- still endlessly repeating all the same mistakes and follies of their past.

Dec 06, 2012 4:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Reuters1945 wrote:

@reality-again

Your brief synopsis of all the mountains of verifiable Middle East facts, separating Fact from Fiction, is a ‘tour de force’.

I rather doubt anyone will ever state so cogently the reality of the situation better than you have just done here. You have lived up to your name.

Bravo and bravo encore.

Dec 06, 2012 4:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DeanMJackson wrote:

Reuters1945 says, “…one fact that cannot be disputed is that the General Assembly of the United Nations voted overwhelmingly, on 29 November 1947, that the entire area of British Mandate Palestine should be divided EQUALLY between the Arab Palestinians…”

Firstly, Resolution 181, which you are mentioning, was not only a non-binding resolution, it was moot since the territory of Palestine was the Jewish Homeland per the Palestine Mandate of 1922, which includes the West Bank and Gaza. The United Nations made the resolution gesture under understandable desperation.

Secondly, read Resolution 181. No where does the resolution mention a “Palestinian” state, it mentions an “Arab” state.

Thirdly, as you said, Arab governments rejected Resolution 181.

Now, in the 1920s the League of Nations created six states for the Arabs in the Middle East (after the Ottoman Empire lost the territory due to losing World War I) and one Jewish Homeland. The Arab states were Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, The Alawite State and Jabal al Druze. The reason the League of Nations didn’t create a separate state for the “distinct ethnic Palestinians” is because no such entity existed, and the term Palestinian was a NEW name for Jews and Arabs in what the League of Nations demarcated as Palestine.

Arab governments lie today when they say the Jews stole their land in Palestine. When was that? Under the Ottoman Empire or the British Mandate Period? Don’t make me laugh! I guess Arab governments are referring to the Civil War in Palestine (November 1947 – May 1948) where a minority of Arabs living in Palestine (backed by Arab governments) rose up against the Jews. Any Arabs revolting against the Jews were forced out of Israel, including whole Arab villages deemed to be taking part in the hostilities. Many forget about the Civil War in Palestine.

Dec 06, 2012 6:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

@Reality-again – What’s the point of your argument? The Palestinians didn’t have their act together 60 years ago? I read that information by reviewing the UN SC resolutions and other Palestinian sites. I saw the maps. What do you suppose would be their condition today if the Jewish refugees hadn’t moved in on them? Where has that even happened in the world except during the period of New World colonization 300 to 500 year ago? We all know what it did to the native populations. Too bad for the Israelis they weren’t more contagious and couldn’t manage to kill off sizable numbers just by breathing the same air or touching a native. That would have made the glorious adventure so much easier for them.

What do the Palestinians do now? They are very nearly separated into two different countries now. You think the Hamas government should “repent”. That’s what the UN says should happen too. But they also demand that Israel lift the cordon around Gaza and let them rebuild. They also condemn nuisance “who’s the boss” flyovers of Gaza and Lebanon. Those people are very good at pulling each other’s chain, if you haven’t noticed? They know how to expertly get on each other’s nerves. The expression for it is “B__ls in your face”. That climate is much too hot for comfort. Neither side is above being spiteful, but I think the Israelis are more professional at it.

The rest of your note is the same old, same old. I would dearly love to see the real business of who was paid, if anyone, what was confiscated and by whom, and how sites were assembled in the West Bank. It makes a whole lot of difference what the Israelis did there as to whether they really are the poor struggling but “so civilized” people they like to present themselves as or that their actions were “just”. Lebensraum is what its now being called and it hasn’t been proved otherwise. All anyone usually says is: “they hit us so we hit them harder”. I’m not surprised they hit the Israeli’s. If I were an Arab 60 something years ago I would have too. The Arabs didn’t move in on The Jews. That does still seem like an important point to make. To say otherwise is to accept something like the idea that The Papacy should get back the Papal States. Justice usually means that both sides of the dispute accept a decision and they understand the wisdom and necessity. It also means not taking advantage of loopholes or gaps in information: unless lawyers get involved and that’s another matter.

The Hamas government is not cooperating with the Israelis and the Abbas government is. So why are the Israelis making life more difficult for Abbas and his government? It makes no sense at all. Israel is not acting like a serious or honest negotiator and I think the answer is – those settlers never want to move or cooperate one bit. Israel has placed too many tangible assets in the West Bank and hates to see all those billions in jeopardy. They would rather the area be cleansed of the remaining inhabitants? The Palestinians were not the American aborigines who, for the most part, had only the vaguest of land use patterns, had no written language (not alphabetic anyway) and were really living at levels of sophistication of about 10,000 to 15,000 years ago. The Palestinians had towns, villages and working farms. They have a sophisticated religious tradition and some literacy but at low rates. The area may have been backward but it wasn’t living in the stone age. They weren’t significantly more backward that the pioneers or even small family farmers of even 75 years ago here. That’s the truth of the matter. The Israelis took all the lessons they learned and preached in Holocaust studies and have been doing the reverse of what they preached. I have never seen such BIYF hypocrisy.

Where do the Israelis get off thinking they are people or a state that must somehow receive guarantees of endless and open ended security from every government in the region? Isn’t it just possible that the whole idea of a “Zionist” homeland is a tour de force and can only be maintained through the constant and unrelenting use of force? Israel needs hostility from the neighbors or it’s whole foreign policy falls on its face. Without the excuse of the sea of hostility – the expansionism of that state looks too like the military domination and exploitation of a captive weaker population, whatever their origin.

Is there some little secret that we should all know? Can one reasonably expect that the Israelis have a long range plan we don’t hear about and some day they will embrace the whole territory under a rule of common rights and laws? Baloney.

Good for the Palestinians. I hope they can build their lives without the dominance of big brother with the light fingers and a love of bargain real estate. What other county gets to keep a pet people it can use and abuse and still not claim them as citizens, for the sake of maintaining an ethnic plurality.

Since no one has ever tried to answer my simple question – what makes a “Jew” a real true “Jew” (for the purposes of claiming a right of return) I’m inclined to think the whole things is a con game that masks itself as piety or ethnicity, or alternately, which ever one does the trick?

So for those who think there is no such thing as a Palestinian, I don’t think there is such a thing as a real “Jew”.

Dec 06, 2012 8:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Reuters1945 wrote:

@DeanMJackson

You state:
“The reason the League of Nations didn’t create a separate state for the “distinct ethnic Palestinians” is because no such entity existed, and the term Palestinian was a NEW name for Jews and Arabs in what the League of Nations demarcated as Palestine”.

I totally agree with your statement as quoted above.

I simply employed the terms “Palestinian Arabs” and “Palestinian Jews” to refer to the fact that in a place demarcated as “Palestine”, there existed so-called “Palestinians” who were Arabs and there were so-called “Palestinians” who were of the Jewish faith.

And you are of course quite correct to say that Resolution 81 voted upon and passed by the UN General Assembly on 28 November 1947 specifies the term “Arabs” and not “Palestinians”.

As “Reality-again” correctly stated above in his/her comment:

“In 1967, Egypt and a couple of other Arab states vowed to invade Israel again, and massed troops along Israel’s borders.
“Israel used the opportunity to kick out the Egyptian army from Gaza, and the Jordanian legion (army) from the West Bank.
Then, suddenly, the idea of a Palestinian state became a uniting cause…”
In other words, a uniting cause for the Arabs living in what was once referred to as British Mandate Palestine as well as all the Arab countries.

It was only in 1967, (when the State of Israel had already existed for almost two decades), that the Arabs, hoping to extricate themselves from the disastrous mistake they had made all the way back in 1947 of rejecting the UN Resolution 81 (that offered the Arabs fully half of ‘Palestine’ on a Silver Platter), that the Arabs dreamed up the concept that there was a separate and distinct ethnic group that should be known as, and referred to, as “Palestinians”.

This is all quite clear to anyone who is prepared to simply learn all the historical facts and time lines regarding the events in the Middle East.

The UN in 1947 offered the Arabs fully one half of British Mandate Palestine to develop in any manner they so chose. But in their short-sighted greed to have everything and leave the Jews with nothing, they rejected the UN offer.

Now after endless wars of unnecessary bloodshed and countless dead the Arabs want to turn back the clock.

It is perhaps even more preposterous than if France would suddenly make the claim that they regretted selling approximately 20 % of the land of North America, which France once controlled, for one million dollars, and insisted on that land being returned to French ownership.

The Arabs are still waiting for a train that already left the station over half a century ago.

And the unhealthy Arab obsession to inculcate the most bizarre and unrealistic ideas into even their youngest children, from the earliest age, via school books, children’s TV programs, and posters of Martrys on every building, will forever doom any chance they might have to finally deal with reality as it is and not what the Arabs fantasize it to be.

It is difficult to know which event will arrive first- whether the Arabs will come to their senses and lose their suicide bomber/martyr mentality, or whether pigs will grow wings and learn to fly. All available evidence appears to indicate that the latter event will happen first.

Dec 06, 2012 9:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse

If you want to make peace, you don’t talk to your friends. You talk to your enemies. – Moshe Dayan

Let’s hope this happens sooner than later. Peace can only come if both sides are satisfied. Let the moderate forces on both sides talk and achieve results.

Dec 07, 2012 12:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
DeanMJackson wrote:

Reuters1945 quotes “Reality-again”, ““In 1967, Egypt and a couple of other Arab states vowed to invade Israel again, and massed troops along Israel’s borders.
“Israel used the opportunity to kick out the Egyptian army from Gaza, and the Jordanian legion (army) from the West Bank.
Then, suddenly, the idea of a Palestinian state became a uniting cause…”

Yes, that’s what the world saw, however what the world didn’t see were the strategy sessions between all Arab governments and the USSR. You see, in order to operationalize the Arab governments’ new Long-Range Strategy towards Israel, Egypt had to lose Gaza and Jordan had to lose the West Bank. Now you know why the IDF won such an amazing victory during the Six-Day War…that was the Arab governments’/USSR’s plan.

Reuters1945 says, “It was only in 1967…referred to, as “Palestinians”.”

No-no! The “Palestinians” were created in 1963. The next year, 1964, is when the Arab League held its first summit meeting in Cairo, Egypt, where the PLO was created. You forgot that! This means that when Arab governments lost the West Bank and Gaza three years later, they were supposed to lose those territories. Get it?

You’ll understand better when the “Palestinians” suddenly call for a one-state solution.

Dec 07, 2012 10:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

@DeanMjackson – You are a superstitious man with footnotes.

Dec 07, 2012 1:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DeanMJackson wrote:

paintcan says, “You are a superstitious man with footnotes”

I’m the fly in the ointment!

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