Connecticut gun rampage: 28 dead, including 20 schoolchildren

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sjfella wrote:

It’s official; the world has gone insane.

Dec 14, 2012 11:40am EST  --  Report as abuse
MetalHead8 wrote:

This is my Hometown. It’s 11:42am now, and this started around 9:45am. Info is still be gathered.

1 Shooter Dead, the other is still at large. Helicopters searched the woods, FBI is going door to Door, and Police Departments from surrounding areas are helping lock down the area. Reports say the shooter may be in a van with other armed passengers and fled into danbury (closest city). Thoughts and prayers go out to the families. I like to thank the surrounding towns for all the help.

Dec 14, 2012 11:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
MetalHead8 wrote:

So apparently the Principle was the Primary Targert and he’s dead on the scene.

@Americanguy, Rueters is just reporting the info that they have
@Harry, the the cops locked down a larger area becuase this shooter evaded cops and now the have the same armed pyscho path in a different city.

Dec 14, 2012 11:51am EST  --  Report as abuse
Bradnaksuthin wrote:

Banning guns will not solve this problem

This is just the price we have to pay to live in a society where our second amendment rights are protected

The solution to the problem is simple. Teach every school age child from kindergarten on up to use and carry a weapon at all times. If that had been the case, this tragedy would never have happened.

Dec 14, 2012 11:57am EST  --  Report as abuse
DunaDad wrote:

The consequences of easy gun access are clearly evident again. When will we realize that arming ourselves to the teeth does not make us safer?

Dec 14, 2012 12:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
explorer08 wrote:

@ Bradnaksuthin: you wrote – “This is just the price we have to pay to live in a society where our second amendment rights are protected”

If you are being serious, Bradnaksuthin, then you, sir, have gone insane. Saying that this act is OK because guns are OK is madness of the first order. I thank God I don’t live anywhere near you. Perhaps you’d be better off in Somalia where you can really exercise your love of guns.

Dec 14, 2012 12:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
iwritedoper wrote:

ban guns and the promotion of violent ‘entertainment’ and any other ‘dangerous reality’. Protect children. Promote growth and creativity.

Dec 14, 2012 12:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MetalHead8 wrote:

@Bradnaksuthin, Guns are like acholol, 18 years and up, Kids these days are not responable enough to have a weapon.

@Abulafiah – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Dec 14, 2012 12:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MetalHead8 wrote:

@Bradnaksuthin, Guns are like acholol, 18 years and up, Kids these days are not responable enough to have a weapon.

@Abulafiah – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Dec 14, 2012 12:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MetalHead8 wrote:

@Bradnaksuthin, Guns are like acholol, 18 years and up, Kids these days are not responable enough to have a weapon.

@Abulafiah – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Dec 14, 2012 12:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Calvin2k wrote:

Guns are just part of the Christian tradition in America. The gun is considered a holy object, you are supposed to worship the gun, and therefore consider being shot a blessing.

Dec 14, 2012 12:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MetalHead8 wrote:

So the apparently the school psychiatrist is also dead, along with the shot child that went to the hospital, Very very sad

Dec 14, 2012 12:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MetalHead8 wrote:

What? Over 100 rounds fired, 20 people shot….. thats terrible

Dec 14, 2012 12:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
davehorne wrote:

I’m not going to get in a pissing contest with those defending or denying the right to own weapons. I’m retired US Army though do not own a weapon (unless you consider an accordion in my attic as one).

What many here may find amazing are the statistics regarding gun ownership in the US when compared to other countries. You can look up many, many statistics very easily at nationmaster d o t com.

Dec 14, 2012 12:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
totherepublic wrote:

sjfella
I haven’t have you?

Dec 14, 2012 12:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DwDunphy wrote:

Maybe we’re going about this all wrong. Maybe the NRA should be forced with every membership to inflict a wound on the new member. Nothing fatal. But maybe if you finally felt what it was like being actually shot, you’d be more inclined to not shoot others. It’s the last resort since the gun junkies can’t break their hot metal heroin.

Dec 14, 2012 12:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
cautious123 wrote:

The problem goes far beyond guns. This country has an ethos of violence, and every institution, from politics to media to entertainment, is responsible. We have a president who has taken upon himself the right to assassinate US citizens if he simply thinks they might be anti-American (no trial by jury or presumption of innocence allowed); we have an entertainment industry that makes billions off the violence it assaults our senses with daily; we have a “defense” industry that is the biggest money pit in history; and we have politicians who stand in front of the entire world and lie just to get us into more useless and unnecessary wars. In light of the death and destruction of families, lives and property that this country has wreaked throughout the world, do we really expect to evade the consequences of our violence?

Dec 14, 2012 12:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

It is clear now, this country has a serious problem. This is not regular.

Dec 14, 2012 12:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rkirchem wrote:

More blood on the hands of the NRA and other gun nuts….

Dec 14, 2012 1:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
CleanFun wrote:

We’ll never get the truth because it isn’t flattering to the establishment.

Dec 14, 2012 1:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Harry079 wrote:

My God I apologize for my earlier post.

I get it now.

How tragic.

Dec 14, 2012 1:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
EFS wrote:

GUN LAWS. It’s a no-brainer. Why do we have no brains?

Dec 14, 2012 1:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
KJax wrote:

americanguy – you are a class A jerk. I think people more concerned with this tragedy that your need for a complete story without any holes. Insensitive bastard.

Dec 14, 2012 1:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

totherepublic writes: “I suggest we address the REAL problem. Making up some laws to contain the out of control, undisciplined, radical, liberal atttudes that have culminated in the murdering of children at schools.”

Really? Now? What is wrong with you, dude? That is the statement of a mentally ill person. These are children dying as we speak. And you want to use it to go on some deranged rush Limbaugh rant against ‘liberals’? You have lost all credibility on these pages, present and future. Get help.

Dec 14, 2012 1:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
surgednb wrote:

Watch, democrats will use this to force their gun control laws into place. The fact is, states that have more relaxed gun control laws, crime is significantly lower. Likewise, states that have stringent gun control laws, like Connecticut, have high crime rates.

Dec 14, 2012 1:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
PatrickHughes wrote:

There are TOO MANY GUNS in the hands of too many people in our country!

Dec 14, 2012 1:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gregbrew56 wrote:

totherepublic wrote: “Making up some laws to contain the out of control, undisciplined, radical, liberal atttudes that have culminated in the murdering of children at schools.”

Are you really tying gun violence against children to “liberals”? Seriously, dude, you are truly delusional!

Turn off Faux News, get out a good (non-violent) book, and CHILL!

Dec 14, 2012 1:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
totherepublic wrote:

AlkalineState=denial

Dec 14, 2012 1:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse

From the National Rifle Association Website (who incidentally have not yet referenced this tragedy but have removed several videos from their site.)

“Federal court strikes down concealed carry law…”
“Gun sales soaring since election”
“Assault weapon – It’s an anti gun invented term” – Wayne La Pierre
“The semi auto ban – is it back already?”

As long as Americans do not stand up to rich gunmakers, their supporters in politics, and their dubious claims about 2nd amendments to justify their business, pushing fearsome weaponry that not even armies use, then getting vetting procedures reduced, to allow the mentally unbalanced easily acquire dangerous weapons of mass destruction that are killing so many innocent children, they will be condemned to witness this tragedy playing out forever at around 3 to 5 times per year.

I am British. I consider your National Rifle Association are 100% responsible for yet another insane and sickening episode. Much of our nation (with few exceptions) simply cannot understand how your country can allow the pedlars of death to equip the insane to carry out these tragedies. Over here they would be criminal gun runners, and locked up.

Dec 14, 2012 1:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
arkbiz wrote:

The NRA, the Republicans, and all other citizens on the Right, may safely assume that they need to get ahead of the curve on these attacks. It is their policies, their opposition to reasonable accommodations of the public’s safety, their oddball slant on the Second Amendment that is enabling these creeps.

We need more restrictions, some bans, better background check procedures – all that sort of thing. Government and laws don’t exist to paint by number and venerate a bunch of dead guys – who would be aghast at what’s being done in their names. Government and laws exist to serve the living, feed them and protect them.

America’s Right is failing the country.

Dec 14, 2012 1:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Alexander_Sr wrote:

I believe this will have a serious impact on the RNA and it’s continued policies on their rights, to bear arms.

Dec 14, 2012 1:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Dave1968 wrote:

cautious123 wrote:
The problem goes far beyond guns. This country has an ethos of violence
- bingo. the nail on the head.

Dec 14, 2012 1:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
akcoins wrote:

totherepublic: Do you support abortion? It was ruled legal by the Supreme Court, or do you support getting the court to overturn that ruling? It does appear that the gunman or gunmen were a well regulated militia per the Constitution. What does a hatchet murder have to do with this crime? About as much as a DUI manslaughter and a knife murder have to do with each other. I love the liberal attitude red herring. These weren’t gangbangers. A lot of these murderers are the nice quiet guy who lived next door that wouldn’t hurt a fly.

Dec 14, 2012 1:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Chazz wrote:

So lemme see…. guns get up and convince their owners to “use me to kill people just cuz.”

Is it a “gun” that’s to blame or is it PEOPLE? Taking an inanimate object away from people will stop them from killing each other. Okay…I got it … yup, that’s the solution alright.

Before I go on further let me say, I don’t believe people need to own “assault rifles” I do believe in a person’s right to bear arms – you know, that Constitution thing.

Since even an idiot can see “guns” aren’t rising up to kill people – PEOPLE are rising up to kill PEOPLE! And again it’s not hard to see why. Just scan over the intelligent pontifications that appear in the comments sections of Reuters (and other publications) every day. I’ve never seen so much HATRED!

“Folks” bitch and complain about the lack of leadership from our “leaders” and yet the best example they set for us EVERYDAY is that of arrogance and….you guessed it, HATRED. Our “leaders” have successfully divided our country into sides that point fingers and direct words of HATE at each other.

Cry out against it as much as we want and it DOESN’T STOP. It just gets louder, and stronger and more hateful.

Isn’t it any wonder now why there’s been a “recent increase in gun violence?”

Okay – take everyone’s guns away…..do you really think the violence that we are directing against each other is gonna stop? Guns will STILL be used.

Humans have a loooooong brilliant history of conceiving ways ways to kill each other with weapons whether those weapons were “legal” or not.

I’m off now to immerse myself in the hate-speech pouring forth from these comments boards – keep ‘em coming!

Dec 14, 2012 1:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
PenRumi wrote:

American version of Beslan?

Dec 14, 2012 1:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
fred5407 wrote:

We have a real serious problem here. The war in Syria, Egypt, and Libya has come to our shores. These are not gun nuts, they are killers on a mission. I do no know the origin, but I suspect Hamas, Al Quida, and other groups. If it were me I would check out what I know and shut off all visitors from the middle east until I knew what this was all about. Gun laws will not stop this killing just as gun laws in Mexico do not stop the killing. We need to stop meddling in Middle East politics and stop playing Sheriff for the world. All you finger pointers should take a few steps back and find out what is going on before you point fingers.

Dec 14, 2012 1:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DwDunphy wrote:

totherepublic: Arm yourself. They then shoot your child dead. Don’t you get it? You can hide guns in your every orifice; they KILL your kids. The only way to fix the problem is to get the guns out of their hands. The second amendment was an ancient proviso and you have an ancient mindset. You are of no help to the thinking and feeling people of this country who are weeping for the DEATH OF CHILDREN. Take your gun-loving drug addiction and your second amendment and shove them up your backside.

Dec 14, 2012 1:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Jameson4Lunch wrote:

arkbiz – Government and law do not exist to feed the living… they exist to ensure a code of law is established that protects your freedom to feed yourself.

To the people who think gun bans are the answer… the only thing you’ll see is an increase in the number of school bombings. People intent on killing will find a way.

I do think an armed teacher/principal would have made this a far less tragic day.

Dec 14, 2012 1:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DeuceDeuce wrote:

totherepublic wrote:
“You have all seemed to have forgotten a little thing called the United States Constitution. I have, and millions others, sworn an oath to defend that. The United Sates Supreme Court has ruled that, under the provisions of that Document, Americans have the right to arm themselves.”

Thank you for your oath, guy. Maybe it’s time to consider amending this document, and moreover, consider giving the book to the cork soaking right wingers in Congress so our country can make some forward progress.

Dec 14, 2012 1:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

Very tragic and sad. Something, anything needs to be done about gun violence.

I am voting that totherepublic gets a permanent ban on posting with comments he has made lately, appalling!

Dec 14, 2012 1:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
timebandit wrote:

5 million American men in prison or on parole – and that’s just the ones who got caught and were actually sentenced to jail time. The United States has not been safe for women and children for many, many years now.

Dec 14, 2012 1:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jeff81201 wrote:

Damn to hell the NRA and its relentless pursuit of insane and unbalanced gun laws.

Dec 14, 2012 2:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SyriasTruth wrote:

The shooting is terrible.

Why aren’t all the networks commenting on what a cowardly act this is!
Why aren’t they condemning the shooter…even unknown as the biggest coward in the history of the USA. Quit being the victims and the confused. Now is the time to be clear….and loud on what a useless piece of S#!t the stupid guy was that went with body armour on to an elementary school …..and shot little kids.

The most ignorant, coward of all time!

It’s not until you all get the people who are thinking of doing this….to see themselves as the disgusting useless cowards they are…that you will stop them from thinking they are about to do something GREAT !!! Don’t give them a chance to see themselves as anything else.

MY god I’m sick of the way the news media presents this type of tragedy. Concentrating on the suffering….and never mentioning the cowardice thatlead up to it!

Dec 14, 2012 2:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DwDunphy wrote:

To the NRA and every politician who stood up for them or took money from them, the blood of innocent children is on your hands. I hope none of you sleep a minute for the rest of your small, pathetic lives.

Dec 14, 2012 2:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Grammieto2 wrote:

this is a very sad and tragic event. Who to blame is some very sick individual(s) who took their anger, frustration or whatever out on some very innocent children and adults.

While you all sit around debating gun control and politics the rest of us are wishing that there was something constructive we can do to help.

Guns don’t kill by themselves, the people using them do. Rules/laws aren’t perfect and some people can get past them that shouldn’t. Don’t blame everyone for the actions of a few.

What drove them to do this and who could have had a chance to stop it. How do we keep our children safe in our schools. How do we teach others to recognize the signs of impending danger and what to do to try and stop it. These are the questions we should be considering not how to blame one group or another.

Dec 14, 2012 2:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SyriasTruth wrote:

As long as you can buy gasoline, and drive a car or a truck in the USA, taking the guns away will not stop this type of stuff. Driving a truck full speed into a school with a load of gasoline in the back, will do the same damage or more. Thousands of other ways to kill in mass….even without a gun. Look at Australia, England, and all the other countries that have strict gun laws….the killing goes on.

The media needs to quit glorifying these nut bags that are doing this…Just heard ABC News commentator declare ” This is the most killed in any schools shooting in the history of the US !” Such sensational public, TV comments are just fueling this type of act.
The next school shooter will work hard to kill more than 26.

Why aren’t there hours of comments on what a coward the guy is …that pulled the trigger?

Dec 14, 2012 2:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

totherepublic: If this kind of gun violence was occurring during the lifetimes of our Founders, they would have passed rational legislation to help prevent just senseless violence. How do I know this? Because they were very rational people.

We have to stop allowing the radical right to dictate our nation’s direction. They’re not logical, yet we keep allowing them to get their way. This tragedy is just the latest example. Of course guns need to be regulated. They’re dangerous. Certain guns should not be legal. Not everyone should be allowed to own a gun. The number of guns a person can own should be limited. And for god sake let’s make sure our regulatory agencies have the funding they need to carry out their jobs.

What is sad is that the tragedy is the result of an industry’s successful lobbying so that they can increase their profits. They’ve sold rightwingers on the idea that it’s about freedom and patriotism. No, it’s about having a rational society for us to raise our children in. Something has to be done. But first we have to do something about lobbying, or nothing on gun control, raising taxes on the rich, and a whole host of other things that we should be doing won’t get done.

Dec 14, 2012 2:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse

@totherepublic and all his detractors. This is a time to mourn. It is a time to deal with the shock. It is not a time for knee-jerk reactions one way or another. Later we can argue about guns, when some of the pain of this has diminished. May God have mercy on all of the souls of those lost today.

Dec 14, 2012 2:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Gunz4all wrote:

@Chazz – you’re funny, I like that. Because obviously, if there were no such thing as guns, we would still be reading this story today, but it would read a little differet: At least 27, including 18 children, dead in Connecticut school bludgeoning. You’re right, guns don;t kill people, people kill people – and this guy, without guns, would have done the same thing today, but he would have used a big stick or a baseball bat instead.
Oh wait, actually, guns give people that are otherwise frightened little boys a false sense of security and power.

There is a bright side to this story though – all those dead kids now won’t ever grow up to be maniacal idiots that shoot up a school for no good reason. 18 potential gun toting child killers have been taken off the market – thank you, (yet) unnamed Connecticut hero.

Dec 14, 2012 2:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
edfed wrote:

It is important to remember that guns don’t kill people, people kill people. What this event shows us is that it is time to get rid of stupid laws that prevent citizens under age 18 or 21 from exercising their constitutional rights. If many of the fifth and sixth graders had been carrying weapons with them this never would have happened.

Dec 14, 2012 2:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AJACO wrote:

totherepublic: Why do we need assault rifles with magazines that hold hundreds of bullets. I get the Second Amendment, but when one says “Guns don’t kill people, people do,” please think about what they kill them with.

Unless someone is well trained to react to such terrifying cicumstances, so you REALLy believe that they would have been able to “neutralize” the shooter instead of trying to get their students to safety?

We as a people seem to accept this violence as JUST a part of society – how can we change the dialog?

Dec 14, 2012 2:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Pastora wrote:

When are we going to amend the Constitution to change the second amendment?
When are we going to dismantle the NRA?
When are we going to understand that if people didn’t have access to weapons these things would not happen?

What about hunting? Banned!!!

Dec 14, 2012 2:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Pastora wrote:

When are we going to amend the Constitution to change the second amendment?
When are we going to dismantle the NRA?
When are we going to understand that if people didn’t have access to weapons these things would not happen?

What about hunting? Banned!!!

Dec 14, 2012 2:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SyriasTruth wrote:

Yellow journalism…sensationalized tradgedy by all news outlets!
Interviewed a child while tramatized for TV live coverage!

This is the very stuff these shooters …and the next ones are hoping for! The media will give it to them for months and years.

Never hearing a word about what disgusting cowards the shooters are!

No….just interview the child…get the terror on live TV !!

The news station needs this …they need you to crawl with them through the agony, death, horror and blood with them. Go now and watch it on TV. Just remember…the guys that do this …want it this way. Want it presented just like you see it now!!

The next coward is already planning to likely kill 50, 100 and you never even made it clear to everyne in the USA, what a cowardly piece of S#!T you have to be to dress up in body armour, put on a mask, shoot little kids, and shoot yourself before the cops get to you!

The Media and the rest of us who don’t speak out loudly….are part of the problem!

Dec 14, 2012 2:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ttallent13 wrote:

I have to laugh at all of you blaming the NRA. You are delirious. The NRA had nothing to do with this. Our moralistic meltdown, masochitic acceptance of violence, lack of discipline and desinegration of the family nucleus that is responsible. America’s failure to be accountable for their own actions and lack of direction to our youth are the basis. Guns have been here for hundreds of years. You didn’t see this happening in the 50′s, 60′s or even the 70′s. It is always someone else’s fault in our society….TIME TO BE ACCOUNTABLE.

Dec 14, 2012 2:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Emlee wrote:

Excuse me! A renewing a ban on assault weapons is NOT the answer! What needs to be renewed is PUBLIC HANGINGS for monsters like this man/men! It would be the answer to actively removing rehabilitative humans. Why do we imprison cold blooded murders, rapists and torturers???? It’s a waste of time and money! Rid this country as we can of those that cause such destruction!!!!Then the prison system would have room for the drunk drivers that kill by vehicular manslaughter/homicide and those that really do need rehabilitation!!! There is a difference! God help us all…this kind of horror will be at our own back-doors if it hasn’t arrived already.

Dec 14, 2012 2:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BillieJo wrote:

Why no comment on the Amish School Shooting in Pennsylvania?

Dec 14, 2012 2:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MrEmilov wrote:

It’s time for establishing no-shooting zones, like schools, college campuses, and places of special public importance. That requires plans and solutions, including controls over weapons locations, functionality, etc.

Dec 14, 2012 2:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mgreen13 wrote:

The world has not gone insane. This is not a worldwide problem. The only place that I have ever heard of anyone shooting up a school is in the USA. Sure, there are other problems in other countries (like suicide bombings), but you could argue that those are third world countries full of extremists. The USA shouldn’t be this way. The death penalty is not enough for this person.

Dec 14, 2012 2:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
hesba wrote:

People WILL find ways to kill others. Guns are not the issue.
Guns are stolen all the time. DUI’s happen all the time too. Where there’s a will, there’s a way. I can remember too many instances where innocent people are even strangled. Gun control is not the answer. And no, I don’t own a gun.

Dec 14, 2012 2:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
serspec wrote:

I don’t get why all the people here are blaming the NRA for this. Really? As stated many many times before, guns don’t kill people, people kill people. Banning guns will only take them away from the honest people in the country. Criminals will still find ways to get them and nothing will change. Pot is illegal in my state, but I pass 10 places I could buy it daily on my commute to and from work. There are just some insane people out there and no laws will ever stop them from committing these horrendous acts.

Dec 14, 2012 2:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MetalHead8 wrote:

I used to sit next to the shooter, actually talked to him a few times. Ryan Lanza. Un-believable. Sick to my stomach thinking about this.

@Syriastruth – good to see some people in here with a heart.

Theres reports an entire classroom is currently un-accounted for. Pray they are found safe and sound

Dec 14, 2012 2:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
totherepublic wrote:

bluewater23000
This comment board passed through several headlines and stories as more information was made public. Many of my comments were made, and the others’, before the extent of the cruel and cold hearted carnage was known. May God have mercy also on all of us that mourn here today as well as those lost…thanks.

Dec 14, 2012 2:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Ira9 wrote:

I’m crying. My mind refuses to accept the news.
God give strength to the bereaved families!

Dec 14, 2012 2:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
OlePhart11 wrote:

This is a Terrible, terrible thing, but over the absurd thoughts of ignorant people, All Principles, Teachers, and school personnel need to be highly trained in gun safety, and be Armed while at school.
Had this been the case here, many, many children would have been saved.

Dec 14, 2012 2:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
sergejsu wrote:

@ChrisClarkGold

Just wish to add that not just Britain, but the whole Europe is wondering about sanity of the 2nd amendment.
We virtually do not have such kinds of crime here, in the Old World.

Dec 14, 2012 2:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
charlesbwi wrote:

“To the NRA and every politician who stood up for them or took money from them, the blood of innocent children is on your hands. I hope none of you sleep a minute for the rest of your small, pathetic lives.”

Dec 14, 2012 2:12pm EST — Report as abuse
you should’t speak anymore!!!

Dec 14, 2012 2:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SandyC69 wrote:

Right now, this minute is not the time to discuss gun control and the disintegration of our citizens into killers.

Now, RIGHT NOW is the time to be expressing ONLY condolences to the parents of 20 children (babies), and to the families of the adults killed.

Tomorrow you can discuss, rant and rave all you want about what’s wrong with this country. But just for today, let it rest and pray for the families of these victims.

Dec 14, 2012 2:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse

For those who, predictably, are, instead of focusing on the victims and survivors, feeding their political addiction by making this all about the guns (thus excusing, of course, the PEOPLE involved in the rush to make political hay out of someone else’s tragedy), I offer for your consideration the Osaka, Akihabara, and Tsuyama massacres, carried out with kitchen knives, trucks, axes, swords, etc. Or the 6 mass slaughters committed with knives in China in 2010-11. And on and on and on.

Or, you could just put politics aside for one day and grieve with the families.

Dec 14, 2012 2:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JaiMe.Z wrote:

It’s a cliche, yes…but it is NOT guns that kill people–PEOPLE kill people. Deranged individuals are found the world over; it is not an American exclusivity. The prevalance of these kind of events is increasing partially because of simple probabilities. More humans=more chance of mentally unstable humans. Anti-gun laws are not what we need…tougher/longer screening processes for gun sales are.

Dec 14, 2012 2:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AReader00 wrote:

Not for nothing, but do you seriously think the gun controls are going to fix the issue. Here is a thought, how about good parenting? How about we start keeping tabs on what our kids watch and do? Here is something simple have breakfast, lunch, and dinner with your kids! Pass on the values of being a good human being and all will be fine. Guns are easy to get and kill with no matter how many controls you have.

Dec 14, 2012 3:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
McHaggis wrote:

My heart goes out to the parents and families, it’s tragic when any child dies…but when a child is KILLED, it goes so far beyond tragedy that finding the words to express how I feel simply escapes me.

How can people get so mentally ill that they can actually rationalize killing a little kid?

Dec 14, 2012 3:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Andytlewis wrote:

God bless the souls of the departed children and adults. May he take them into his kingdom and comfort those left behind.

Dec 14, 2012 3:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
multilis wrote:

Make shooters famous is part of problem, next one will want to shoot to become famous as well. News coverage is absurd, lets go over the last bunch of killers as well, make them famous again.

Lets not make murderers famous like movie stars.

As far as liberal or conservative, both sides can be blamed if you want. If we had a movie that glorified the Nazi party people would be offended. But if we have a movie that glorifies gun violence, then similar people argue “I don’t believe in monkey see monkey do”

Dec 14, 2012 3:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Thoughts and prayers to the families and loved ones of the victims. May those young souls find a peaceful resting place.

Dec 14, 2012 3:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mgoblue0970 wrote:

Nice bias Reuters… you’ll name the white criminals in Colorado but not name the minority criminal in Virginia.

Dec 14, 2012 3:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
zakk1593 wrote:

Guns aren’t the problem here. I own guns, and i don’t feel the need to shoot up a school. It’s the jackass using the gun. I’ve said for years that to own guns, you should have to have a psychiatric evaluation, and periodically have them for as long as you own guns. But that is pretty rough. Shooting kids is a no-go.

Dec 14, 2012 3:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ERTweedie wrote:

Why don’t we not talk about “Gun Nuts” and gun laws for a couple hours and try to put some positive energy out there. Good that in the eye of evil and tragedy you maintain your “I told the country so” attitude.

If you want to help, quit bitchin. Let the less passive aggressive people do what they do. In the meantime, understand what these families and even the unaffected population are going through and have a little class.

Dec 14, 2012 3:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Anti-Kabbalah wrote:

America (along with many other nations) is being dumbed down, drugged, brainwashed with public education and television, The White House (NWO/ CFR members) led into economic slavery, and prepared for slaughter. Need I say more?

90% depopulation is the plan (NWO), poison the food, water, land.. total takeover.. mass murder is what they want.. Earthquake and Volcano weapons are already in operation (through HAARP) I feel the real power from the universe is coming.. It is time.

Dec 14, 2012 3:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bigbrothercfg wrote:

My Prayers for the Community, Families and kids that had to go thru this. Guns do not kill people, people kill and hurt people. If someone like me or another responsible gun owner had been on premise, we may have been able to avoid this disaster. Put the blame squarely where it belongs, on the back of the 24 year old loser who wanted his name in the news. When parents decide to parent, instill morals and quit allowing electronic babysitters to raise their kids.

The only people who would have guns if they were banned would be criminals and thugs (except for military and police). The right to bear arms is a solid law built into the constitution for gun owners to protect their families against harm by the following possibilities:
Deterring tyrannical government, repelling invasion, suppressing insurrection, self-defense, participating in law enforcement and organize a militia system. I do not need the government or other people who do not agree with my rights to tell me HOW I can protect myself and my family.

….I own guns (no,I don’t have a machine gun) have a conceal carry license, and would not hesitate to kill another human being (I use that term loosely for thugs, Cretans and other POS breathers that would do me, my family or innocents harm) in the right circumstance. I have been trained to shoot to kill, have an excellent aim and the resolve to use my weapons is a responsible manner. I have taught those same skills to my children and will never give my rights to bear arms under any circumstances.
Sign me, a conservative responsible tax paying god fearing AMERICAN.

Dec 14, 2012 3:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
angie1122 wrote:

@all you guys. There are a lot of parents who won’t be picking their babies up from school today. A lot of little kids who will not see Christmas or learn to drive a car or get their first kiss. Are you guys that obsessed with your potlitical agendas that yo

Dec 14, 2012 3:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ru4reel wrote:

Comments posted by Bradnasuthin, caution123 and american guy to name a few, are somewhat skewed and controversial which is indicative that there may be a few more Ryan Lanza’s out there. What seems to have been forgotten in many of the postings is the grief and horror that parents, and family members are undergoing as a result of an unbalanced individual who was probably very capable of posting the same “crap” as the above mentioned writers. Condolences to the parents and family of all affected.

Dec 14, 2012 3:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

@totherepublic, I take back my previous post, I know understand you made previous posts before more information came out…

I 2nd that all of us should impose a 24 hour moratorium on any ‘political’ comment on this thread.

Now is the time for reflection and mourning, not debate and ridicule.

Dec 14, 2012 3:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Neko wrote:

I’d like to see us quit killing each other.

Dec 14, 2012 3:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse

The murder rate in the US is 4.7 per 100,000.  The murder rate in England is 551 reported in 2011.  The population there is 53 million.  If our population was 1.2 million we would have a comparable rate. As it is we have a population of 311,591,917.  This means approximately 146,244 murders a year.  Tell me again how guns don’t have an effect?
While I agree that it is a horrible tragedy I would say that it is exactly the right time to discuss the issue of gun control. If we can never talk about it after a shooting we will never get to

Dec 14, 2012 3:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bobber1956 wrote:

Do not let it be for nothing.

“Teach Your Children”

You, who are on the road must have a code that you can live by.
And so become yourself because the past is just a good bye.
Teach your children well, their father’s hell did slowly go by,
And feed them on your dreams, the one they fix, the one you’ll know by.
Don’t you ever ask them why, if they told you, you would cry,
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.

And you, of the tender years can’t know the fears that your elders grew by,
And so please help them with your youth, they seek the truth before they can die.
Teach your parents well, their children’s hell will slowly go by,
And feed them on your dreams, the one they fix,the one you’ll know by.
Don’t you ever ask them why, if they told you, you would cry,
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.

Crosby, Still, and Nash

Dec 14, 2012 3:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

Guns don’t kill; people do. And give all the people guns and you’ll see a lot killing with those guns that don’t kill. People, the argument that guns don’t kill people therefore should not be regulated is a stupid, over-simplistic argument intended to be easily absorbed by the masses for the purpose of protecting profits from gun sales. The truth is much more complicated, and we shouldn’t let that insipid propaganda sales pitch keep us from enacting safeguards to protect ourselves and our families from gun violence.

To say guns don’t kill; people do, and use that a reason not to enact gun control laws ignores reality. Once again, we have the right ignoring reality. The US has the highest gun ownership per capita than any other nation. We also have the most gun violence. The people on the right, and those training them, would have you believe that there’s no correlation between our prolific gun ownership and our high rate of gun violence. Because guns don’t kill; people do. Of course. Please, reality must win the day.

Let’s stop allowing ourselves to be stupid just to avoid offending people on the right. There are sensible steps we can take to help minimize these kinds of tragedies. Gun’s are dangerous and should be regulated, and we shouldn’t allow ourselves to be bullied into not tackling the issue of gun control. We’re not threatening anyone’s freedom. Freedom has to have boundaries or you have anarchy.

First I think we need to do something to keep lobbyists in check. It’s the lobbyists who threaten our legislators, keeping them from addressing this problem, and many others.

Dec 14, 2012 3:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
unreason wrote:

timebandit: Males account for 77.6% of murder victims and 56.2% of violent crime victims overall. Excepting rape, males account for at least 50% victimization rate for all individual violent crimes. Only 52% of prisoners were sentenced for violent crimes. Violent crimes decreased by more than two thirds from 1994-2009.

If “the the United States [is] not safe for women and children”, then neither is it safe for men. (Granted, the US rate of 4.7 murders per 100,000 is substantially higher than the western europe average of 1.0 murders per 100,000.)

Dec 14, 2012 3:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bobber1956 wrote:

multilis
At least this one will not get the publicity of a trial over a 2-3 year peroid, 8-10 years of appeals, and 3-5 years of the ACLU protesting his execution. All paid for by us.

Dec 14, 2012 3:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse

SOmething about this story is missing. IT makes no sense.

Dec 14, 2012 3:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Gatnos wrote:

Make no mistake; this was not a “random act” or the act of a “deranged gunman”. This is a premeditated act of terrorism, designed to inflate emotions against our one right that keeps us safe. This was a political act, plain and simple. Mark my words; “President” Obama will do his upmost to use this incident to pass legislation severely restricting private firearms ownership. If he can’t get the legislation, then in his all-knowing, dictatorial behavior, there will be a series of executive orders doing the same. Just as 9/11 was used to institute the Patriot Act, limiting our 4th and 5th Amendment Rights, Obama will use this “tragedy” to limit or remove our 2nd Amendment Rights.
The only way to stop these terrorist attacks is for good people to stand up and defend themselves. We need to do away with these “feel-good” gun free zones and allow honest citizens to defend themselves. If only one of the teachers had been armed…..

Dec 14, 2012 3:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
OliGo wrote:

A diet of graphic violence, 24/7, on the news, the movies, the TV, the video games.
Is it not time we, the parents, demand that violence be no longer given freedom of speech?
European friends of mine, say they do not have constant violence in the lives of their children. They don’t have violent acts as we do.
Perhaps gun control, but first and foremost, stop feeding the children a warzone of violence to stunt their minds until its numb to the evil of violent acts.

Dec 14, 2012 3:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
OliGo wrote:

A diet of graphic violence, 24/7, on the news, the movies, the TV, the video games.
Is it not time we, the parents, demand that violence be no longer given freedom of speech?
European friends of mine, say they do not have constant violence in the lives of their children. They don’t have violent acts as we do.
Perhaps gun control, but first and foremost, stop feeding the children a warzone of violence to stunt their minds until its numb to the evil of violent acts.

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JakeSmith wrote:

I would say this has a history between the teacher and the Shooter. The fact is, the Family court nation wide is the cause of these things! One the shooter likely had a history of instability! For example, usually the hardworking parent is forced to support the parent who does not want to work and ends up using the child for financial gain. After looking up the public record at the family court, it was found that the shooter did have a excessively long history of unstable environment. The shooter had 3 residential moved, had been in and out of 5 jobs and had abuse record. the problem is that family courts not just here but all over the nation tent to not protect children and the public from “at risk” parents. At risk parent is a parent (male or female) that had/has unstable living conditions and unstable supportability for their child. In this shooter case I would say there was a clear evidence that the shooter was “unstable” and “unfit” and the blame is the family court justice system. I have heard horrendous stories of Arizona Superior Courts placing children and the public at risk even having preponderance of evidence against a parents stability. The shooter should have been reported not be given access to schools where there are clear risks to the public and the children of the public. So with that said, I blame the family court and the family court judges who had been on the shooter’s custody case be prosecuted on murder charges!

Dec 14, 2012 3:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
hey.ryan wrote:

Ugh, this is terrible news. My prayers to the families of the victim, it probably feels like the end of the world for them.

Dec 14, 2012 3:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

This was a slaughter of children. What ever we thought was working in this country…. isn’t. These are not isolated incidents, they are increasing in frequency and scale.

Dec 14, 2012 3:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mandyblue wrote:

Seriously, Harry? That is your main concern here? They lock the schools down to protect our children, not to scare them. In the moment that decision was made I’m sure they knew nothing but that a madman entered an elementary school and opened fire on teachers and little kids. They didn’t know his motive. They didn’t know if he was the only shooter. They didn’t know if this school was the only target… All they knew was they had a duty and a rarely given opportunity to be proactive and keep the same thing from happening at another school. Maybe they should lockdown the other businesses you mention in the event those are robbed or a violent crime is committed there. Wrap your mind around this though…as a nation in general we protect our children so fiercely that should a violent crime occur in the vicinity of a school, even if the school is not involved, most districts will still lock down their buildings. Our children are too precious to fail to take caution.

Dec 14, 2012 4:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AndrewBinga wrote:

The states with the strictest gun control have more homicides.

Dec 14, 2012 4:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DwDunphy wrote:

Tax gun ownership.

Dec 14, 2012 4:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AndrewBinga wrote:

If you don’t count black homicides we have one of the lowest homicide rates in the world.

Dec 14, 2012 4:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse

I would like to see more being taught about defense techniques for the possibility of this happening in or where ever they may be.. Everyone needs to be informed about what to do..that way maybe at least one will do the right thing.. Also, if more people carry a concealed weapon then more people will be able to protect themselves or others from this. More ‘control’ actually means less, more ‘drugs’ is just going to lead to more ‘abuse’ but if more people “Man-the-fck-up” this would not be happening so much! And … I’d rather be judged by 12, than carried out by 6!! What about you???

Dec 14, 2012 4:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

USAPragmatist: I have to respectfully disagree with you and totherepublic. The gun promoters know they’re most vulnerable immediately following these tragedies. They prefer a moratorium on any talk regarding regulation because just after these events people are more willing to push the propaganda aside and go straight to the realization that something really needs to be done. As emotions subside, the gun promoters go to work paving over any thoughts of imposing on our freedoms and leaving us vulnerable to our government by taking our guns. Then everything goes back to the way it was, until the next tragedy takes place. Then this process is repeated. And unfortunately, there’s getting to be less and less time inbetween these occurrences. Enough with shying away from the topic of regulating gun ownership. We need to address this for the sake of those young victims who lost their lives today. We owe it to them, because this should have been addressed long before today.

Dec 14, 2012 4:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
upright63 wrote:

@stambo2001 Let’s take a look at some of the similarities and differences between the two events. In both cases dozens of innocent children were attacked by an apparent lunatic. In Connecticut dozens are dead. In China they are all still alive.

Dec 14, 2012 4:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
D-Rivera24 wrote:

It makes me sick to my stomach and furious that someone would murder innocent children! Death is too easy for these criminals, we need to make an example out of these type of criminals so anyone who dare thinks about doing something like this is afraid! I’m not talking about a life sentence or the death penalty, I’m talking about doing something that would cause them as much pain as they caused their victims and family! We need to do something that scares people from even thinking about crimes like these, something that would have them beg for mercy!

Dec 14, 2012 4:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

OliGo: I agree with that, as well. We need to do a much better, pro-active job of promoting non-violence in our children. The challenge is that violence is more exciting than non-violence. That’s at the heart of our challenge, and why we really have to be pro-active on this.

Also, there’s a whole new division of lobbyists that will bribe our legislators not to do anything to curtail violence in, for example, our gaming industry. I’m not one to favor censorship, but perhaps smart minds can come up with some practical solutions that could prove helpful. But certainly while we’re hashing out what can and should be done through legislation, parents need to step up and get involved. I think parents have become too passive regarding what restrictions they put on their children. One reason being that nothing teaches better than example, so parents need to practice what they preach to their children, and that’s not always easy.

Dec 14, 2012 4:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

AndrewBinga: First, why wouldn’t you count black homicides? Last time I checked, they were Americans, too. Secondly, would you please share the source of your information?

Dec 14, 2012 4:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
tombo3000 wrote:

Too bad teachers can’t carry concealed firearms into their class rooms, this gunman could have been stopped earlier. Law abiding citizens should be armed to prevent these tragedies.

Dec 14, 2012 4:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Jameson4Lunch wrote:

Go look up 2010 or 2011 China mass murder incidents at schools. The casualty rates are around the same, though the culprits use knives usually. You can’t ban crazy. At best, you can just try to protect yourself from it.

Dec 14, 2012 4:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse

People are quick to say “Gun Laws” .. It is People Killing People !!!! How about Fixing the VERY BROKEN MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM !!!!! Help these people b4 they go out & Kill More PEOPLE … Improve the services available – give more low $ options .. “.. most people whom have insurance pay 80% of Mental Health cost…”- what does that say about how much it costs All of those whom have NO Insurance ??? What is it going to take b4 the people in Washington say ” DuH, I think we have a problem..” Mentally Ill individuals without their Medications, without talk therapy, without monitoring … Agency’s that @ one time helped (i.e Child & Family Serv) – they no longer have the funds .. there are more people in need of their services then they have funds to help… Lincoln said “Freeing the Salves – will free ourselves..” – Well OBAMA needs to be like Lincoln & change the World ..”Helping the Mentally ill will in turn help Us as a WHOLE..” – Make it about People .. Not about $ …just sayin’

Dec 14, 2012 4:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Raker wrote:

Gun control laws will work about as well as marijuana control laws have worked. This school was in a regulated “gun free” zone.

What’s needed is what very few Americans are willing to do: create an actual working, human culture and economy based on the needs of us and not on the needs of the Military-Industrial-Prison-Money Complex. The American government sends drone strikes that kill children in other countries and no Americans get upset or shocked. Karma is a bitch and we need to own ours or watch it all get worse.

Until a critical number of Americans are willing to unhook themselves from the Teat of the Great Collective, we’ll see more and more of these incidents.

Dec 14, 2012 4:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Sukarasa wrote:

I would think that RIGHT NOW is the time to discuss gun control before it gets forgotten again and the RNA downplays it.

Dec 14, 2012 4:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rkirchem wrote:

The NRA has announced that if the staff and children were all armed with assault rifles, this would never have happened.

Dec 14, 2012 4:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
nebr-girl wrote:

PLEASE, PLEASE, STOP USING THE KILLERS NAMES!!! THEY DERSERVE NO NOTORIETY FOR THEIR DISGUSTING ACTS. “…1999 when two students, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, went on a rampage at Columbine…”

Dec 14, 2012 4:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gregbrew56 wrote:

MetalHead8 – My thoughts are with you, your family and friends during this horrible tragedy.

Dec 14, 2012 4:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Julzie wrote:

The issue is not gun control. The issue is people control. There are too many times a person gets into trouble time after time again and we let him off with just a warning or a slap on the wrist. There are too many people not held accountable for their actions and then when they don’t get their way, this is what happens. Guns are just the tools they use just like car jimmy’s for car theives. Take their tools away and just like in our prisons, they will make other things like bombs to get their point across. We take prayer and the pledge out of our schools for the minority complainers yet the devil if free to walk in. We get investigated everytime we punish our kids with a swift kick to the hind end so they have no boundries. And yet when these things were in place years ago, there were less incidents like this. Lets just put our kids in time out… our adults who commit these crimes in time out… that will sure do the trick (and I’m not laughing). We need stricter laws and punishments. We need to quit babying our children, put them to work to keep their minds and hands busy and learning good work ethics. That’s where we need to start!

Dec 14, 2012 4:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
reality-again wrote:

Time to stop living in denial, and recognize our country is plagued by something terrible that’s directly linked to how easy it is for psychopaths and criminals to arm themselves with military grade firearms.

It’s not about the Constitution, it’s about the right of kids, parents and everyone to live free of fear, and the absolute duty that both Congress and Government have to protect us.
So far, both Congress and Government have failed -

DO SOMETHING!

Dec 14, 2012 4:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
GeorgeBrown wrote:

Sickening. This literally turns my stomach. The NRA and the gun nuts are to blame for this – they have blood on their hands, the blood of children.

If Americans have a violent streak in their national culture that’s all the more reason to bring in gun control.

I asked this question just a few days ago and I ask it again: why does anyone living in a civilized society need a gun and a bullet-proof vest???

My thoughts are with the relatives of the murdered.

Dec 14, 2012 4:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BIASSE wrote:

This just goes to show that gun regulation should be in theis country. It is indeed a shame that Republicans scream “second ammendment” when our precious little ones die, and such crimes as this are all too prevalent.

Dec 14, 2012 4:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Jameson4Lunch wrote:

Well said k.mitchell. Couldn’t agree more.

Dec 14, 2012 4:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Shamizar wrote:

Talk of gun control is, frankly, rather laughable. We perceived a serious problem with alcohol consumption in this country a few decades ago and amended the Constitution to solve the problem. Worked out fine, didn’t it? There are over 200 million guns currently in the hands of Americans. Properly cared for, they can last over a hundred years. How do you propose getting rid of them? Find other solutions, gun control is not the answer!

Dec 14, 2012 4:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RonHat wrote:

Get rid of all the guns and everything will be fine. Tell that to the 22 children who were attacked in China today, with a knife. Were there is a will, there is a way.

Dec 14, 2012 4:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BOBsmsg wrote:

BEIJING (AP) — A knife-wielding man injured 22 children and one adult outside a primary school in central China as students were arriving for classes Friday, police said, the latest in a series of periodic rampage attacks at Chinese schools and kindergartens.

The attack in the Henan province village of Chengping happened shortly before 8 a.m., said a police officer from Guangshan county, where the village is located.

BAD THINGS HAPPENED TODAY HERE AND IN CHINA – very similar though

Dec 14, 2012 4:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jessecbreeze wrote:

My thoughts and prayers go out to all the families and friends of these poor murdered children. And to the children and families and friends that have to now deal with such a traumatizing event. HOw about we concentrate on that for right now instead of getting into a political debate about gun control??

Dec 14, 2012 4:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Philo33 wrote:

The rights to bear arms may have made sense 200 years ago. But no longer…

Wake up, America!

Dec 14, 2012 5:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
lsochia wrote:

People,let’s see what points we can agree upon…

1. Our support in whatever way we can to the families of those affected.

2. We recognize there is a problem.

3. Mudering anyone, especially children is wrong (sad that I feel I have to include this point)

4. The number of victims may have been fewer if the murderer was not carrying a gun.

5. If the weapon used is capable of rapid fire the victim count usually goes up

6. All humans have the capacity for violence

7. The United States allows some humans more right than many other places.

8. We would try to fix problems which allows murderers to walk among us.

9. We want the world to be a safer place for all generations.

10. We, as a human race, are capable of making the world a better place

Dec 14, 2012 5:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Ilya76 wrote:

US Government should put a hand on guns immediately. And those good and law obeying citizens who still support this madness of guns being sold so easily to anyone, should consider that things like this could happen anytime, anywhere, to anybody, and what’s worse, to anybody’s kids, and having a gun in your closet isn’t gonna help to stop it.

Dec 14, 2012 5:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
kbrooksp wrote:

gun control has nothing to do with it, health care does. This would not have happened if the shooter who was obviously mentally ill, got the help he needed. Mental illness, not gun control is the real problem.

Dec 14, 2012 5:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bobber1956 wrote:

Imposing gun control on US citizens will start more violence than it will stop. Breaking the law to do it will create anarchy and chaos. No, now is not the time to do it, if ever. All facts. Only a delusional idealist cannot see that. And that idealist should have to be the one to enfoce it, not some one else with a gun.

Dec 14, 2012 5:05pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Myxmon wrote:

This is so sick and sad that people have to politicize such a horrific tragedy. Just looking at all the rotten humans here shows whats wrong with this nation. Blaming guns or the NRA for what some deranged lunatic did is wrong on so many different levels. Please people keep your political agendas to yourself and offer up prayers for this community and the families affected.

Dec 14, 2012 5:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
dfot wrote:

I can hardly wait for the NRA justification for this.

Dec 14, 2012 5:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
PenRumi wrote:

I agree with @Julzie. We need to put back civility back into civilization. Too many kids are growing up without knowing the difference between right and wrong.

Dec 14, 2012 5:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TreeofNa wrote:

Seems like they want to crack down on Americans having personal weapons… How do you make a bunch of gun laws and take away people’s rights to protect themselves? Make them afraid of guns… Make them feel like no one should have them but the police and government…

Give weapons to someone and have them shoot up a bunch of kids… or a bunch of people in a movie theater… How else are we to think? That people just started losing their minds and want to kill children? All of a sudden… people just want to go on shooting rampages??

There’s something missing… and I really feel like this has more to do with gun control than even the tragedy of the event… which is really sad… We don’t mind sacrificing our own to make a point or to take control.

Dec 14, 2012 5:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse

@AlkalineState- When is a deranged, suicidal, murderous maniac with a gun ever, “regular”?

Dec 14, 2012 5:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
arniejr1 wrote:

The right to bear arms should not permit people to have assault weapons that serve no purpose other than to assault. All registered assault weapons need to be rounded up by the government and local law officials. If not, these kind of incidents will continue. Recent history leaves no doubt of that.

Dec 14, 2012 5:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Bobber, I agree that we have to be careful when it comes to infringement of Second Amendment rights. However, it is interesting to note that the Constitution never mentions guns. Neither in the Second Amendment nor anywhere else. It does talk about ‘Arms.’ Arms can mean swords, arms can mean guns, arms can mean artillery, arms can mean ballistic missiles (as in arms race). We kind of made up the handgun thing later, to suit certain lobbies. We now act like that’s what the founding fathers meant. But When we do ‘Arms sales’ to Saudi Arabia and Turkey, are we selling them handguns? More like jets and missiles. The government knows what it means by arms, and us citizens are not really on their list of eligible carriers.

The NRA has been reduced to little more than a gun-dealer lobby. And guns have very little to do with the Constitution. Arms are much broader than guns. No?

Dec 14, 2012 5:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
toronto1Q1 wrote:

GUN CONTROL PLEASE! For the love of God America!

Dec 14, 2012 5:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
samdallas214 wrote:

To bad this peace of trash was killed,it would of been a lot better form him to of been shot several times and lived with pain so bad no pain meds would control it and then spent the rest of his life in prison and in pain.
I own 2 guns and do not believe they should be taken away from me, but what does a person need a gun that will shoot 100+ times,I thank we can have a reasonable gun control like no 50-100 round clips

Dec 14, 2012 5:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SyriasTruth wrote:

225 Million people in the USA.

You are going to what? Let less than 1/100,000th of a single percent, of the glory gore seeking shooters you see rob the rest of the law abiding citizens of their rights? Take the time to GOOGLE the mass murder that has been done recently in any of the nations where guns are banned…you’ll see there is no place on Earth where you are free of such slaughter. The Middle East commenters here are a laugh, when they will kill anyone for anything in public stonings, beheadings, and women have no rights at all. None…treated like property and owned like a dog.

God help the families of the innocent.

Someone! Everyone…..scream out loud what a coward this fool was to shoot little kids. Don’t think for a minute he was insane when he did it. Face the fact…there are people who seek the glory, the fame, the mass chaos you see now on TV.

Stop the advertisement of such acts. In 1917, the details of such horror was not fit for print. There was a reason News agency that printed such contorted, detailed agony and gore was shunned by the public…called Yellow Journalism! Look it up!

The News Media circus is feeding the very ego of such men that will shoot you and your child for such instant fame. LIVE ! ON TV !!! You are making ready the next mass murder!

Dec 14, 2012 5:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
heartoffire wrote:

To begin, this is a terrible tragedy that was the work of a twisted and sick individual(s). I believe that all of the gun bashing and hating comments are due to the ignorance of non-gun owners and truly anti-American. The NRA serves its puropose very well…protecting our founding rights. Please let me know about the statistics regarding NRA members going berserk and killing innocent children…oh yeah, there aren’t any because it does not happen. For all of the IDIOTS that believe gun bans work, please review: Drugs are illegal, killing people is illegal, using a stick to beat people is illegal etc etc. etc. Do you truly believe that the shooters would not have obtained a gun if they were regulated/illegal? Shooter: “hey man I want to kill my parents and a bunch of kids but dang it…guns are illegal.” It is this type of ignorant human drone liberal thinking that perpetuates this logic. Pray for the families of the victims and realize the last time there was an assault weapon ban in place violent crime was exponentially higher.

Dec 14, 2012 5:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
victor672 wrote:

Obama hints at “meaningful action”. Meaningful action? Like removing all godless liberals who have ruined schools and infiltrated churches, who have destroyed authority and parental rights, and turned children into amoral, spoiled and entitled monsters? Those liberals? That would be meaningful.

Dec 14, 2012 5:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SyriasTruth wrote:

Call a coward a coward. Make it clear for houes on end what a piece of trash you have to be to do such things….get it on TV !! Get it across to the sorry cowards what the truth is about such acts. Nothing but toilet paper can wipe these men off! Nasty little men with a dream to be famous, to cowardly to face anyone armed…dressed in body armor to shot unarmed children in school. What a pathetic stupid coward! I can only thank him for killing himself, to spare us all any other BullS#!t he could come up with. His last act says it all about him. Useless, mindless, and a coward!

Dec 14, 2012 5:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

The NRA will attempt to make its usual claim that what this school needed was MORE guns. They’re a gun-dealer lobby now, so of course they will say that. They use these events as fundraisers.

Dec 14, 2012 5:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse

@Biasse- I’m a center-left Independent who usually votes Democratic, and I am an adamant and staunch supporter of the Second Amendment and the right of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms.

And unless the Second Amendment is repealed (good luck with that), that right to bear arms will Not Be Infringed.

And we already have loads of gun control and regulation laws on the books. The problem, as usual with many other laws, is enforcement.

I’m NOT a member of the NRA, by the way, nor do I have a desire to be one.

Dec 14, 2012 5:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse

@AlkalineState– Sorry, but in the 18th century, “arms” referred to firearms, as well as swords and bayonets, spears, and any other weapon of war or defense, same as today.

Dec 14, 2012 5:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Gigimoderate wrote:

You gun nuts make me sick…. assault weapons ban is coming! These poor children!

Dec 14, 2012 6:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

Emlee: “Excuse me! A renewing a ban on assault weapons is NOT the answer! What needs to be renewed is PUBLIC HANGINGS for monsters like this man/men!”

Please explain how having public hangings would have prevented this. Do we really need assault rifles? If so, why? They are the go-to weapons for mass killings for this. Are people hunting rabbits with assault rifles? Can’t we at least agree to banning assault rifles, with stiff penalties for those?

Dec 14, 2012 6:05pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Ras-Mitat wrote:

“It’s official; the world has gone insane.”

No, @sjfella, it’s just America, not the world!

Dec 14, 2012 6:05pm EST  --  Report as abuse
stopwhinning wrote:

Can you imagine sending your child to a classroom where the teacher carries a gun or to a school where all the teachers and administration are gun carrying God fearing good old boys and girls! How come when a tragedy of this nature occurs people are so quick to add “If only a person with a gun was there to stop it….” WHAT? Do you really believe that Mrs. Lazorowicz from 3rd period English is going to reach into her bottom drawer and take out a sniper between contestants of the spelling bee? This is not a 3d video game… children are dead! As far as teaching children at home..most of these school shootings are brought on by people that had relatively normal childhoods with parents that take an active role in their children’s lives….. the thugs from the wrong side of the tracks are not the ones committing these mass killings.

Dec 14, 2012 6:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Overcast451 wrote:

Always.. schools, churches, business..

Never hear of shootings where people are armed, like a gun and knife snow.

Dec 14, 2012 6:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
2_amazed wrote:

We live in a society where children grow up saturated with a proliferation of violence in all forms of media promoted as entertainment. It was documented in the 1980s that violent video games increased aggression in children–there were congressional hearings on this very topic at that time. Yet, when these tragedies happen the immediate response by government officials is, we have to limit Second Amendment rights. Guns have been around for hundreds of years in this country. They were used to protect oneself, one’s property, and one’s family. However, do we see historical evidence of the mass killings by young people other than what has been going on since the late 20th century? No, yet we do see evidence that those involved in this 20th century and Millennial senseless violence have a history of using violence as a form of entertainment. I will not be surprised if both of our most recent young killers have followed that same pattern. The guns are not the problem, violence of as a form of entertainment is.

Dec 14, 2012 6:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SyriasTruth wrote:

You know nothing of pychoanalysis if you think you can tell the shooters from the non-shooters with such evaluation !!

Don’t jump too quick to call the man….deranged, suicidal, mentally disturbed…..when he planned it, gathered what he needed, and then acted it out. He may have been perfectly sane by every measure but wanted to do exactly what he did ….as his final act….to be exactly what you see! To Create exactly what you see.

Insane? of Successful? Which is he?

I see him and all his twisted glory seeking, as nothing but an act against the most helpless by a pathetic, despicable coward, who could not make anything of himself….even if he had lived a full lifetime.
The useless slug at least removed himself from this Earth!!

Dec 14, 2012 6:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Zen, firearms? Where does the constitution say firearms? The term ‘arms’ is much broader than firearms or personal weapons. Always has been, always will be. When countries have an arms race, they’re not seeing who has the biggest handgun collection. When France was supplying Washington’s army with illicit ‘arms’ to beat the British, it was far more than rifles and bayonets. It was canons, mortars, ships. The NRA is feeding its paying members a sugar pill about the handgun thing. It’s a dealer-lobby. The Second Amendment is already broken. We might as well start over from scratch when it comes to interpreting it.

Dec 14, 2012 6:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SyriasTruth wrote:

There isn’t a gun owner in the USA that does not wish they had been in the school ….armed when the shooter came in! Not a single one!

Take the guns, it want change a thing….watch the next school mass murder be just as horrfic, and even more dead…by some other conjured means. Yes! Cojured by the mind of a man seeking the fame you see so vivid on the TV. Don’t look too deep….it’s plain to see!

Dec 14, 2012 6:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse

@AlkalineState- My bad, I responded impulsively to your comment about ‘arms’ after reading only the first two sentences.

Nonetheless, your argument is a weak one. In 1787, when the Constitution was ratified (or was it actually 1789? I forget), virtually every able-bodied free white male owned a musket, or even two or three.

The Founders clearly meant personal firearms to be included in the term “arms”, since it was the taking away from the people of firearms by monarchists in Old Europe, thereby enabling autocrats to more effectively oppress and control their people, that inspired the Second Amendment in the first place.

And remember this: The Second Amendment, ultimately, protects our cherished First Amendment, something that liberal journalists (and bloggers and posters), seem to conveniently forget.

But granted, in 1787, they didn’t have machine guns and bazookas, etc., but they did have cannon, and I don’t recall that individual citizens were allowed to own or use heavy artillery, and they certainly aren’t allowed to own any today, legally.

Dec 14, 2012 6:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Reuters1945 wrote:

An American Tragedy That Did Not Need To Happen
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It is rare to see so many comments on a tragic news item and it is understandable that people are both so angry and so heartbroken.

People can take philosophical sides as far as the “right to bear arms”, until doomsday but that will not solve the immediate problem and challenge of preventing such ever repeating tragedies.

There is however an almost water tight solution that no one is talking about and it is already being used nation wide and has been for a long time.

Many schools and Courts and buildings both government owned and privately owned, as well as all airports, of course, have had metal detectors installed and in use, 24/7, for years.

The good ones are almost impossible to sneak guns and knives through.

Good metal detectors will detect something as small as a two inch pen knife or paper cutter. They are 99% accurate and effective.

In addition at many sites that have used metal detectors for years such as schools, there are additionally, people on duty who also do a quick search of student’s book bags, at those schools where such measures are deemed necessary and prudent.

I cannot think of a single American school that has such procedures in place that has ever suffered any type of intrusion by a person with a gun.

These preventative measures have been available and have been successfully employed for years nation wide.

Yes, it does slow down people traffic and is considered an annoyance by some but that is the worthwhile price one pays to prevent innocent children from being massacred by some deranged human being.

While people continue to debate the “right to bear arms” until the cows come home, the President and Congress can put a stop to the slaughter of America’s children in 48 hours if they would only muster up the political and moral will to do so.

And neither the NRA, deep pocketed gun lobbies/manufacturers or “Right to Bear Arms” fanatics can do a thing to stop the installation of Metal Detectors at the front lobby entrance of every school in America just as has existed at every airport in the world for decades.

The solution to preventing unnecessary deaths in schools has existed for years and it works. I would not allow my own children to attend a school that did not make an effort to protect the lives of the students.

If every parent in America kept their child home until their school had metal detectors installed you would see this recent continuing disaster stopped in its tracks- forever.
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Dec 14, 2012 6:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
cheeze wrote:

How many more events like this are going to happen until the law comes in and stops the sale of ammo to the general public? This is a new age and time, “The right to bear arms” has come and gone. The only people who need guns are the police and the army. If you want to shoot a gun join those two. Its time to curb the NRA and its influence in Washington and do the right thing so we can all sleep at night. May god bless those little souls.

Dec 14, 2012 6:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

Raker: “This school was in a regulated “gun free” zone.”

I may be wrong on this, but I think every school is in a gun free zone.

Why are so many people afraid of practical gun regulations? What would really be missed if we banned assault rifles, and included stiff penalties for anyone caught with one? People advocate tougher punishments for people who commit these kinds of heinous crimes, but too often the perpetrator doesn’t survive the incident, they either kill themselves or are killed by police, so the threat of public hangings or a mandatory death penalty is not the answer. But if you believe that tougher punishments act as a deterrent to crime, ban assault rifles with tough punishments for those possessing assault rifles. They’re only good for killing large numbers of human beings. We can do without them.

One last point. For those who are serious when they state that we don’t need more gun control laws, but need the laws in place enforced, how many times have you complained to your representative about the poor enforcement of existing gun laws? Zero? The Republicans have been intent on de-funding our agencies that regulate guns, making it impossible to adequately enforce our current gun laws. Has anyone thought to advocate for spending more money enforcing our gun laws, or have you been too busy advocating for lower taxes?

Dec 14, 2012 6:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SyriasTruth wrote:

Simpletons in a crisis make me sick !

The high rise is on fire….quick jump out the window…before you check to see if the stairway is clear for escape from the fire!

Dec 14, 2012 6:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rajrpm wrote:

Wow…again it happens..feeling for the USA here in Australia – that second amendment is a tough one – it’s tearing at the security of peace loving law abiding good hearted US citizens – the right to bare arms is starting to look like it means the right to kill when cornered – mentally, emotionally…I feel for you.

Dec 14, 2012 6:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SyriasTruth wrote:

Simpleton’s….ban the guns!

Dec 14, 2012 6:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
WallaBingBang wrote:

Actually, it looks like Connecticut already has an assault weapons like ban — how exactly did that help here?

Dec 14, 2012 6:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Duxan1 wrote:

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html
59 out of 77 school shootings were in the US. When will this nation realize that the National Redneck Association is endangering the nation’s future -its childrn?

Dec 14, 2012 6:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BioStudies wrote:

I think we should ban cars. They kill more people than guns every year and no one reports it!

Dec 14, 2012 6:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SyriasTruth wrote:

Good metal detectors will not work at schools. You have to have people manning the detectors, you have to lock all the other doors, like at the courthouse, control access in and out! You allow an open door to the outside away from the detectors, for any reason….you have allowed entry by some fool waiting for that allowed door to open. So Now…fence the school yard, make it exactly like a prison. Guards at the towers! It won’t help!

Dec 14, 2012 6:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

BOBsmsg: If that nut in China had an assault rifle, most of those children would be dead. Guns make killing easy. You shouldn’t pretend otherwise.

Our Founding Fathers were wise, practical men. If maniacs were running around killing large numbers of people with assault rifles in their day, they would have done something about it. They wouldn’t have run around saying, well, there’s not much we can do about it because we of the 2nd Amendment. In their day, a gun was not a weapon of mass destruction. They were primarily used for hunting, but for military purposes, their guns were enough to ward off an invading army. You could only shoot one bullet at a time. Then you’d have to reload. Those days are long gone, my friend. Warfare is much more sophisticated, and owning an assault rifle will only make you safer in your imagination.

Dec 14, 2012 6:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
k.mitchell wrote:

Looks like my comment on the tragedy and gun control laws was censored because I mentioned some racial issues in a completely non-racist way. It’s unfortunate, since I spent a long time crafting that comment and it was completely innocuous.

Dec 14, 2012 6:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

SyriasTruth: No one is talking about taking away your guns. Why do you people keep saying that? It’s a red herring. Now, if you own an assault weapon, that’s something I think should be taken away. It’s a weapon of mass destruction that shouldn’t be legal, for the same reason we don’t allow people to walk in off the street and purchase hand grenades. Should we legalize hand grenades? Ground to air missile launchers? Scud missiles? Land mines?

Dec 14, 2012 6:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ellen203 wrote:

There is NO reason for ANYONE other than police or active military to own a gun. Think of how many fewer deaths there would be if owning a gun became nearly impossible. I have never understood why it is legal to own firearms. Maybe many centuries ago it was a way to protect yourself, not any more and it creates a great deal of potential for murder and misuse.

Dec 14, 2012 6:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JayTParker wrote:

Being Canadian, I fully believe in absolute gun control. The American Constitution requires some serious review. Someone wrote that kids should also carry guns. Wonderful – don’t pass a test, shoot your teacher. If all Americans have such a great desire to shoot and kill, maybe the draft should return. It may get it out of their system.

Dec 14, 2012 6:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
genellius wrote:

TO THOSE POSTING THAT PROHIBITING ALL GUNS WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM:

I am not an attacker. I do not need to resort to such petty vice to bolster my ego. I am also a member of Mensa and 999, therefore, I am not closed minded, however, I submit to you this true story.

3 years ago, a personal friend and anti-gun fanatic living in CA was gunned down in his home. His wife was also killed. Both murders occurred in front of their children, a boy and a girl (this last was not reported in the news due to the sensitivity of juvenile law).

I was at the trial where the defendant stated that he knew that this person was an anti-gun supporter, and therefore felt confident that he could enter the home and do what he wished without fear of being shot. I WAS THERE AT THE TRAIL AND HEARD THIS!!!!

While I agree to strict gun laws and responsibility, I challenge ANY total anti-gun supporting Father or Mother to put yourself in the place of my friend. Would YOU support the emboldening of violent criminals by removing the possibility of defense by firearm, knowing that those criminals would then have free access to YOUR CHILDREN???

A balanced and proper process should be implemented, but I will NEVER allow ANYONE to assume that they can enter my home with deadly intent without being exposed to possible death by firearms.

Use of deadly force is an extreme response to be sure, but as long as there are people willing to invade my home with that level of violence, I WILL maintain the right, regardless of liberal anti-gun laws, to protect my family with the same level of response.

Dec 14, 2012 6:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TBer wrote:

What do you think the chance is that this person was playing violent video games every day. Highly likely, I’d say.

Dec 14, 2012 6:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
lexicon999 wrote:

Bradnaksuthin. You’re insane, giving kids guns to protect themselves? The problem isn’t guns, guns don’t kill people, people do. However the US have a daft system, anyone can buy one. Our family used to have guns.

As for blaming violent games and movies, no that isn’t the problem.

As for banning assault rifles, any gun .22 and up is a deadly weapon, so if they’re banned you still have handguns.

I think the solution to reduce tragedies like this is for gun owners to have mental check ups every so often.
Banning guns would help, however if people want to go on a killing rampage the fact that guns are illegal wouldn’t be a concern to them. They’ll get them somehow.

Dec 14, 2012 6:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ConradU812 wrote:

“We’re going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics,” Obama said…

What an inspiration to cold-blooded, opportunistic politicians everywhere…using this as a poster board for his agenda.

If you want to ban weapons, move to Mexico. I hear it’s working wonderfully for them….except for that higher mortality rate from guns thingy.

Dec 14, 2012 6:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Reality-1 wrote:

Back in the 1960′s the growing violence in inner city neighborhoods was attributed to the violence that children experienced as they grew up. The theory went; children were desensitized to violence by their constant exposure to it. Consequently, they behaved in a more violent manner. If that theory was ever true, why should the waves of senseless violence we have been experiencing surprise anyone? We allow our children to spend most of their time playing extremely violent video games. WE train them to be insensitive, violent, vindictive. Parents sit by while children become “game zombies” and somehow think its OK. We are fools if we are surprised by the consequences. Parents wake up, take control you children. It is YOUR job.

Dec 14, 2012 6:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SODQI wrote:

US is arming terrorist in Syria to kill civilians and behead, kids here do watch that on youtube, they just think they are playing call of duty, god bless their souls.

Dec 14, 2012 7:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Justthefacts5 wrote:

The .223 bushmaster was found in his car. I was not a “bullet proof” vest. It was a “load bearing” and equipment holding vest. The little tid bits of info matter too you know.

Dec 14, 2012 7:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
lexicon999 wrote:

kbrooksp. I think once someone has mental illness, then that household should be barred from owning guns. Won’t stop it, but reduce it.

Dec 14, 2012 7:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

WallaBingBang wrote: “Actually, it looks like Connecticut already has an assault weapons like ban — how exactly did that help here?”

It won’t do a lot of good until they’re banned on the federal level. That doesn’t mean you’ll never see another person with an assault rifle, but it means it will be a lot harder to acquire one. And if we put severe penalties on those caught with assault rifles, then you have in place a deterrent to dealing in assault rifles and, of course, owning one. If you don’t think that would have a positive effect, then why bother having bans on any weapons? Or bans on anything, for that matter.

Dec 14, 2012 7:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jon_citizen wrote:

If the NRA wants to continue to be relevant, they need to help find a way to reduce mass murder committed with guns.
It’s no longer enough for them to hide in their bunkers declaring the 2nd Amendment to be holy and sacrosanct.
In the end, this is more about the nation’s mental health than it is about guns, but it’s harder to deal with insanity than gun control.

Dec 14, 2012 7:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BrittanyHall wrote:

Was Ryan Lanza the only man who was doing the killing or was there another man
My mom’s boyfriend said someone was in the woods running.

Dec 14, 2012 7:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

JayTParker: Our Founders made the Constitution flexible because they were smart enough to know that things would change in ways they couldn’t imagine. What they didn’t anticipate is our inability to reason and act on that reasoning. When they drew up the 2nd Amendment, they weren’t weighing the possibility of man developing a weapon of mass destruction and using it on school children. It’s sad that a lot of Americans today can’t reason for fear of running afoul of their political party’s position on guns. What makes this particularly tragic is that their party has taken that position on behalf of the gun industry and its profits, and sells it to the masses as protecting our Constitutional rights. If we were smarter, it wouldn’t work.

It’s really very simple. When a serious problem arises, confront it with solutions. It’s stupid to say, well, we should do something about it but that would be in violation of the 2nd Amendment, so we’d better just live with the problem. That’s what’s happening here. Those on the right will say, I’m all for doing something, but not gun regulation, and that’s as far as it goes. No other solutions are offered.

Dec 14, 2012 7:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Why are mass killings from guns and gun-owners never called terrorist attacks? Even in the press, they are called ‘rampages’ or other such things. But really, they’re just terrorist attacks like any other, no?

Dec 14, 2012 7:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

jon_citizen, I agree. The NRA needs to self-police better. Instead of going out on a limb for the nut-cases in their rosters, they should be cleaning house. They used to promote responsible gun ownership and use.

Dec 14, 2012 7:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
NorCal_Randy wrote:

It continues to amaze me at the ignorance of many of the comments made here.

First of all, any legislation on assault rifles would have zero affect on the weapons this gunman used today. He didn’t use assault rifles. He didn’t use an automatic weapon either. He used handguns, and yes, they are deadly when used as this gunman used them.

Secondly, this guy didn’t do this spur of the moment, this was planned and thought out, with evil intentions. Otherwise why would he have so many ammo clips for the guns he used? If he fired nearly 100 rounds as reported by some news articles, (this remains to be verified by the police), then he had to have multiple ammo clips, already filled with ammo. Even if he only fired 1/3 of the number of shots reported, he would have had to have multiple ammo clips.

I’m sure we will hear in the near future where he obtained his guns, and ammo, and spare ammo clips.

So, any gun control legislation that might possibly have any impact on this situation recurring, would have to include semi-automatic hand guns, ammo used in them, and spare clips for these weapons.

Now for the anti-gun people. A gun is a tool, they are used for hunting, and protection. I use mine when I go in the mountains, hiking, and camping. Both for hunting and target practicing. And I am prepared to protect myself with it. My gun is not an automatic, or assault rifle.

Dec 14, 2012 7:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
willie48 wrote:

Mr Obama wipes tears and advocates gun control. Yeah Mr Obama, use the emotional impact of dead US children to advance your agenda of gun control; you opportunistic parasite. Wipe tears for dead childeren even as you bomb Afghanistan; I guess their dead children don’t count. The hypocracy is appaling. Public policy and law should be grounded in reason , not emotion.

” Gun control” is a euphyism for “lets concentrate fire power away from lawfull citizens and into the hands of government and other criminals. ”

Whether in the hands of government , criminals, or citizens, guns are part of the environment. The good life is being adapted to the environment. Adaptation is a messy evolutionary project. The requisit for evolutionary adaptation is “liberty”.

Dec 14, 2012 8:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Duke717 wrote:

We need to have more security and safety in the schools. Most government offices have security guards, including museums. Our children are more important than old paintings. With all the drugs, bullying and violence going on in schools a safety officer may help. I think president Obama was trying to keep composure but gave a heartfelt message. He did elude to more gun control and waiting to see what direction is taken. Heart goes out to the families and loved ones of the victims.

Dec 14, 2012 8:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
fromthecenter wrote:

I wish they could have got this sick BAST*** before he shot himself and put him in a prison somewhere where they could have terrorized, beaten and made his life a living hell for the rest of his days. Killing himself was too easy of death. On a side not, after reading some of these posts one would have to wonder if we need background checks before letting them sign into this site let alone buy a freakin gun.

Dec 14, 2012 10:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

willie48: People like you are a big part of the problem. Obama wasn’t using these young victims to promote any agenda. What would you have the man do? It is part of his job to speak to the nation when tragedies like this happen. Just because you hate him, probably in part because of the color of his skin, doesn’t mean that everything he does is bad or wrong. Where’s the hypocrisy? You don’t know how to spell the word. Do you even know what it means? What hypocrisy? It means your doing something you’ve been critical of others for. Is Obama a hypocrite because he said something needs to be done about this problem, when secretly he loves guns? Is that it? What hypocrisy?

And what gun control agenda are you referring to? Can you back that up with ANY evidence AT ALL? Because I follow politics pretty closely and I’ve never heard Obama say anything that could be construed as a “agenda of gun control”. And your last paragraph doesn’t make any sense at all. Sounds like the utterings of a madman.

These kinds of tragedies are happening with increasing frequency. That constitutes a problem for our nation and Obama simply said that we have to put politics aside and work on coming up with a way of confronting the problem. What can you possibly criticize about that? I think he’d better deserve your criticism if he did the easier, cowardly thing of pretending that these tragedies aren’t a problem and that we should just carry on and hope it never happens to us or a loved one.

Dec 14, 2012 10:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Gshong wrote:

A few things that could prevent or at least reduce the fatalities: 1. Safety guard at school only allows teachers or students get in (not family members of teachers), 2. sensible gun control: small size magazines / one gun allowed for one person to own . 3. Public more aware of mental ill people in community and be alert when they are close to public crowds.

Dec 14, 2012 11:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gogsy wrote:

My heart goes out to everyone involved. May God rest their souls
From Dunblane, Scotland

Dec 15, 2012 2:52am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

It says a lot about the gun-nuts that even when something like this happens, they still say “No problem! It’s okay! Don’t change anything – guns make everything safer!”

America has more mass shootings than the rest of the industrialised world combined. America has a higher homicide rate than any other advanced country. Guns do *not* make everybody safer.

@NorCal_Randy; @willie48; @ConradU812

Could one of you tell us all how many American civilians you are willing to sacrifice so you can carry on playing with your silly guns? How many Americans have to die before you will admit that the USA has a major gun problem and you are part of it?

Dec 15, 2012 3:09am EST  --  Report as abuse
k.mitchell wrote:

First and foremost, my condolences to the families of those affected. As for gun laws, it is not necessary to have stricter control or to ban guns in this country. Every time a tragedy like this occurs, there is a knee-jerk response of politicians and the media to reignite the gun control debate, with solutions such as banning a certain type of gun, extending the waiting period before a purchase can be made, doing deeper background checks and the like. These are easy solutions, and can be implemented in the term of a politician with quantitative results. However, the real root of the problem is not something that can be fixed within a single term, nor quantified that easily.

It’s similar with education. Here, the root of the problem is a young culture unmotivated to learn, with values in conflict with those necessary for success in education. However, tackling this problem requires the deconstruction of this culture, and its replacement with one that produces good students. You can’t achieve this on the short-term nor quantify a change in culture, so people resort to throwing money at the problem. You can buy iPads and supercomputers for all students, but it won’t make them any more motivated to learn. Gun debates propose solutions that are equally ineffective.

American culture is violent, more so than most others among the developed nations. Violence is perpetuated in movies, video games, the news, and virtually all other sources of media. A violent culture begets violent people, and a case in point is AA’s living in urban areas. Before you scream racism, let me assure you that it is merely racialism, or a belief in a difference among the races that is not linked to discrimination. I hesitate to use this as an example, but it is unfortunately an excellent one to use. The black urban culture is extremely violent and aggressive, a fact that no worldly person would argue against. In my belief, it is this culture, not any innate biological differences among the races, that has resulted in 1 in 18 AA males being currently in jail, or a shockingly disproportionate number of AA’s responsible for violent crimes compared to other races. The statistics cannot be disputed. The argument of racists is that the high crime rate of AA’s is due to biology, and that this is the basis for discrimination. The more educated among us recognize that something other than biology is the culprit. The obvious reason for this violence is a violent subculture. Hence, a violent culture can beget violent people, but more importantly the converse is also true.

That being said, we need to change American culture. Not just urban AA culture, though this needs changing the most (Latino is a close second), but our entire culture. I cannot give a pathway for doing this, but as more Americans realize this fact and distance themselves from the gun ownership debates, we can make some real progress towards making our country a safer place to live in.

Dec 15, 2012 5:58am EST  --  Report as abuse

@FlashRooster- FlashRooster said: “Our Founding Fathers were wise, practical men. If maniacs were running around killing large numbers of people with assault rifles in their day, they would have done something about it. They wouldn’t have run around saying, well, there’s not much we can do about it because we of the 2nd Amendment.”

I have to disagree with you here, Rooster. First of all, relative to our now 314 Million population (third largest in the world today), maniacs are not, relatively speaking, “running around killing large numbers of people”, nor would our mass-killing rates be all that relatively large in post-colonial times, like it or not.

And while our “wise and practical” Founding Fathers came to a practical and wise consensus embodied in the US Constitution, many of them were jealous, materialistic, selfish and even borderline scoundrels. They came to a compromise because of their own best interests, not because of any grand, moral and philisophical superiority over others.

Those “wise, practical men”, however, understood too well the tendencies of governments to become tyrannical, and that’s why James Madison and others insisted that in order for the Constitution to be ratified, that it MUST include the Bill of Rights!

Do you understand, Sir? And never forget that the Second Amendment ultimately guarantees the First Amendment!**

**Incidentally, the Supreme Court has ruled, on several cases, that local and state police are under NO OBLIGATION to protect individual citizens, but only the community at large. Food for thought.

And one more thing. While this is yet another tragedy caused by a deranged, suicidal madman with a gun, we cannot let emotions and the whims of popular opinion trample our fundamental rights. If you don’t like it, emigrate to Europe or Asia.

But you’ll probably never read this as I doubt Reuters will publish it, even though I’m a center-left Indie on most issues, except that pesky Second Amendment!

Dec 15, 2012 7:23am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

ZenGalacticore wrote:
“we cannot let emotions and the whims of popular opinion trample our fundamental rights”

I would not call 28 dead children a ‘whim’ or an ‘emotion’. I would call it a tragedy.

I would also ask you how many dead children you need to see before you admit that this ‘fundamental right’ (Which is actually just some right some guy made up and not fundamental at all) for wannabe criminals to bear arms is actually a huge problem that is killing people.

Dec 15, 2012 9:38am EST  --  Report as abuse
YellowSky wrote:

Guns are not the problem. People are the problem. In China alone in these past years there have been many mass murders with knives, axes, BOX-CUTTERS. Putting more strict gun laws in place would not solve this. These abominations will only take that as another reason to go buy a gun and commit these horrendous acts. Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.

Dec 15, 2012 9:56am EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

@Abulafiah

“I would not call 28 dead children a ‘whim’ or an ‘emotion’. I would call it a tragedy.”

It is a tragedy, but ZenGalacticore wasn’t stating that. What he said was “we cannot let emotions and the whims of popular opinion trample our fundamental rights”. You will not get guns banned, you will not get guns off the streets.

You want to ban the guns, how about this, I have heard the guy was autistic. Lets lock up all austic people and children. That way this will never happen again. Those with mental issues have killed before by other means. They are a threat to us all and must be eliminated…

I am saying this only to point out the absurbidity of using an example like this to get rid of our rights, our freedoms, and our liberties. Have we learned nothing from the Patriot Act and the willing giving up of our freedoms due to our “emotions” and “whims of popular opinion”? Do you really feel safer because of these new laws?

Dec 15, 2012 1:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Abulifiah- The main reason that the Founding Fathers made it extremely difficult to amend the Constitution, or to repeal an amendment therein, is for the very reasons of, “popular whim and emotion”.

The only amendment ever repealed was the 18th Amendment on the prohibition of the, “manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors…”.

And guess what? The 18th Amendment was proposed, voted on, and ratified in the first place in an atmosphere of mass national hysteria and emotion. It was quite a phenomenon, but the cooler, more rational side of the collective consciousness of the people, in the end, prevailed, and the misguided amendment was repealed.

We’re not going to make law abiding people safer by disarming them and making them defenseless. And even if guns were completely banned for civilians, be assured that criminals and maniacs intent on theft and robbery or death and destruction would still obtain them, illegally.

Dec 15, 2012 4:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
darwinsr wrote:

Gun control is not the solution to the problem. God is. This country needs to get back to the basics and that’s believing and trusting in the Lord.

Dec 15, 2012 8:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SyriasTruth wrote:

When they make guns illegal, no problem.
Guns…What guns?

There will be millions of reported thefts from gun owners homes…just before the law is passed.
Guns what guns…they were stolen!

You will have a hundred million new criminals the day the law is effective. It will be all the previous law abiding citizens who owned guns, and didn’t turn them in. Law or no Law.

You will have very few guns out of very few hands….and millions of people against the prohibition of guns, and the ones that didn’t turn them in….are now criminals. It won’t work any better than it did in England, and all the other places guns were banned!

That’s a fact. Not one bit safer. Isn’t that the point of getting rid of the guns. It just won’t stop the mass killings. That individual that conjures such things will quickly see that he can drive 75 miles an hour right into the school as it is letting out…and kill 35 or more people with his pickup truck or little car.

Dec 16, 2012 1:38am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

TheNewWorld wrote:
“I am saying this only to point out the absurbidity of using an example like this to get rid of our rights, our freedoms, and our liberties.”

What about the right to life for those 28 dead children – don’t you care about that? Is the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution really more important to you than the universal right to life? It certainly looks that way.

Your reasoning is also lousy. It is not “an incident like this”. It is “incidentsS like this”. This is not the first and only incident like this no matter how you pretend, it is only the most recent of a long series of incidents like this. In fact, the USA has more incidents like this than the rest of the developed world combined.

Why do these ‘incidents’ keep happening in the USA? Because right-wingers like you refuse to accept that there is a problem, refuse to do anything about it, and ensure that it *will* happen again. And again. And again. It seems that no amount of dead Americans is too many to overcome your partisan ideology.

Dec 16, 2012 3:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

ZenGalacticore wrote:
“We’re not going to make law abiding people safer by disarming them and making them defenseless. And even if guns were completely banned for civilians, be assured that criminals and maniacs intent on theft and robbery or death and destruction would still obtain them, illegally.”

Real life examples, many of them, say you are wrong.

In the advanced countries that have controlled guns, the homicide rates are lower – much lower – than in the USA. In Germany, for example, the homicide rate is 1/5th of the US homicide rate. Clearly, criminals in Germany are not running around with guns merrily killing defenceless civilians as you (and SyriasTruth) imagine.

Nor is it happening in the UK, or France, or the Netherlands, or Sweden, or Australia, or Spain, or Norway, or Austria, or Japans, or Australia, etc, etc. All have gun controls, and homicide rates far lower than in the US. The highest among those countries is the UK, and even there the homicide rate is near enough 1/4 of the US rate.

The truth is, your refusal to do anything about an obvious problem pretty much guarantees that this will happen again – probably in a matter of weeks – and more people will die.

Is that really what you want?

Dec 16, 2012 3:49am EST  --  Report as abuse

Abulafiah- Germany is about twice the size of the state of Georgia in land area, with a population of 80 million, most all of them culturally homogeneous Germans.

Norway has some of the harshest restrictions on guns in the Western World, and that didn’t stop the mass killing there a couple of years back.

The US can’t even seem to control who comes across our border, with millions of illegal aliens coming across in the past 4 decades. How are we going to keep guns out? We have almost 4,000 miles of border, how much does Germany have?

And who says that, “refuse to do anything about an obvious problem”? You’re jumping to conclusions. I have no problem with banning semi-automatic “assault” rifles for civilian use, or clips containing 30 rounds.

And much of the problem in this country when it comes to mass-shootings is not only Mental Illness, but lax or no enforcement of existing gun laws.

For example, Seung Cho, the mentally disturbed student who went on a rampage with guns at VA Tech a year or so back, had been declared by a judge to be, “a danger to himself”, and therefore was ineligible under Virginia as well as federal law to purchase or own firearms of any kind.

But he managed to get them anyway, didn’t he.

Dec 17, 2012 4:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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