Even without Congress, Obama could act to restrict guns

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AZWarrior wrote:

Wow Reuters, you just can’t wait to install Obama (AKA The ONE) as emperor. Look, the death of these kids was horrible, but no reason to throw away the Constitution. Don’t be taken in by these fascists.

Dec 17, 2012 9:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Jokay wrote:

You can restrict all the guns you want but you can’t restrict the nut bags who obtain them and use them.That’s the problem. If they want a certain kind of gun…they can get them.No law will stop it.

Dec 17, 2012 9:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
c0t0d0s0 wrote:

Firearms dealers are required to keep their records for twenty years. So that is one thing that is blatantly false. Am I the only one that misses when media companies published the truth?

Dec 17, 2012 9:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse

He could also save Social Security and Medicare.
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Dec 17, 2012 9:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
0321251A wrote:

Think decades down the road when president XYZ decides to enact horrible policy 123 and can do it with a wave of his pan. They are calling for another Caesar, in the name of expedience. This is madness. The specter of Rome looms large these days.

Dec 17, 2012 10:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RMck wrote:

It’s sad and devastating but guns are not the problem much in the same way cars are not the problem with drunk driving, it’s not the car it’s the person.

The media will now attempt to position then conversation in agenda mandated direction of guns are the source of all known evil. Lets be reminded violence existed among men long before the invention of guns. So lets not over simplify this sadness. I own no guns but I know guns are not our main issue. Training should be required and supervised for all gun owners and a license should be issued based on the care shown during the training as well as a written test.

Dec 17, 2012 10:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ForLiberty86 wrote:

All those who stand against the 2nd amendment of our Bill of Rights are TRAITORS to the United States of America! That goes for the Senate, Congress, and House of Representatives! I am so saddened to see this once proud nation of freedom where all citizens were meant to take responsibility for their own security are now suckling from the breast of the government. And now many Americans are so eager to throw away their birthright that the founding fathers fought and died for all because a nut-job decided to go on a killing spree! While that is tragic and horrible, now another tragedy is on the verge of happening! The tragedy that happened once before in Nazi Germany when Hitler ordered all citizens to hand over their guns and what culminated is a populace that was defenseless to stop him and his thugs! So too are we today about to allow the government to take our arms so that we can be defenseless little sheep! For shame America! FOR SHAME! How dare you spit on what the founding fathers gave you all because of fear!

Dec 17, 2012 10:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Psest328 wrote:

@AZWarrier… Who said anything about throwing away the constitution? The 2nd amendment gives citizens the right the bear arms, but you have to consider that this was an amendment that was written when guns meant muskets. When you didn’t have the ability to unload a clip of bullets. Restricting people’s access to firearms while completely eliminating access to semi-automatic and automatic weapons (something they won’t do, but should because honest, give me one reason why anybody actually NEEDS one) would in no way infringe on the 2nd amendment because you’d still be leaving a reasonable list of firearms that people would be able to use for home protection.

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia, but nowhere does it say that a person has a right to an AK-47. And there’s no reason for any citizen to own one.

Dec 17, 2012 10:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ignasty wrote:

Let’s start by getting criminal gangs and thugs neutralized.They certainly have used their illegal firearms to kill seemingly countless young and older people over the decades.I daresay this might be one of the many good reasons law abiding citizens exercise their 2nd amendment rights.

Dec 17, 2012 10:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
WallaBingBang wrote:

None of these recommendations would have had any effect on this shooting, nor any of the previous ones. It looks like those who are anti-gun (i.e. Reuters) just want to use this crisis as a means of putting forward their agenda, by executive decree no less — very autocratic. And, yes, gun dealers have to keep records for far longer than 3 days, more likes years, and many keep them forever to cover their behinds.

Dec 17, 2012 10:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
victor672 wrote:

Federal law bars anyone “who has been adjudicated as a mental defective,”… That would include all Democrats and certainly most of the Obama administration.

Dec 17, 2012 10:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Burns0011 wrote:

“Federal law bars anyone “who has been adjudicated as a mental defective,” but it does not specify whether that means only a court can disqualify someone, said Michael Volkov, a former Republican Justice Department official now at the law firm LeClairRyan.”

Adjudicated has a specific meaning. It means a judge has issued a ruling or confirmed a verdict, in a court of law.

Dec 17, 2012 10:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
McBob08 wrote:

Controlling legal gun sales is not the same as restricting or even banning guns, so get that idea out of your heads. What should be getting people up in arms is the fact that 40% of gun sales in America are done WITHOUT ANY BACKGROUND CHECK AT ALL!!!

Obama needs to cut through the crap of the paranoid gun lobby and take assertive action to improve the background check database and require all sales, even at gun shows and over the internet, to have an accredited background check. It’s not banning anyone’s guns; it’s just simple common sense and self-preservation. You gun bunnies might feel safer, but there are a lot of people who feel much less safe with you guys owning guns, and they have the right to feel safe, too; just as you do, and since your “right” infringes on their rights, you lose.

Get an alarm, or a shieker. Studies show they work at least 4 times better than a gun and don’t run a risk of killing your loved ones.

Dec 17, 2012 11:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
samalematina wrote:

For all those commenting about how ‘gun control cannot work’. That is no reason not to have common sense laws in place. You can never get rid of all evil in your society but you must have laws in civil society to limit the ease with which guns a available.
Or for those who compare guns to cars ie: “guns don’t kill people just like cars don’t kill people”. By that argument we should remove all road safety rules and have a free for all. Road rules are in place to provide safety for road users. Similars if the US must really have guns in their citizens hands then there should be strick laws to determine, who gets them, what is not allowed and how they are securely stored. Without that the US is out of step with the rest of the civilised world…

Dec 17, 2012 11:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Donnatello wrote:

So let’s start restricting the amount of ammunition that you can purchase. It is a consumable that must be purchased to perpetuate your gun habit, so therefore it can be controlled. I know that they restrict the amount of cold medicine I can buy due to the pseudoephedrine that can be used to produce meth, so we can do the same thing with ammunition. That means all types of ammunition, and yes you will have to live with it. Somehow, I think my right to have a safe society for my children outweighs your right to stroke your ego by firing a weapon.

Dec 17, 2012 11:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
dlweld wrote:

As an outsider, the USA’s gun culture is sooo weird. It seems that guns and handguns in the US have taken on the attributes of magic amulets – an amulet that wards off evil if you have one in your back pocket. “Can’t leave home with out the magic charm”. I guess that comes from years and years of seeing guns used as plot devices in movies and TV and solving all problems – it sort of gets reality mixed up with fantasy.

When you see a gun or assault rifle and realize what a good job they can do blasting apart a pre-schooler – offensive to say the least. Not cool or neat.

Dec 17, 2012 11:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

Most of you apparently are blowing past the the fact that a 9mm handgun was used in the Giffords shooting. And Donnatello, less than 50 shots (1 box of 9mm ammunition) were fired. You people are stabbing blindly in the dark. This problem is way beyond guns. There is zero chance of getting rid of all the guns anywhere. Simply look to Mexico for evidence of that.

Dec 18, 2012 3:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

AZWarrior…people like you cherry pick what parts of the Constitution you like and apply words (that I highly doubt you truly know the meaning of) like fascism, marxism or communism to those parts you don’t like. Executive order comes from the Constitution. Every President in history has used it.

Dec 18, 2012 3:20am EST  --  Report as abuse
jwws9999 wrote:

I say outlaw these semi automatic weapons of mass destruction, and give the police permission to shoot on site anyone carrying them. My FIRST amendment rights are being violated everytime I go out in public and have to worry about some nutjob opening fire with these weapons in public

Dec 18, 2012 5:40am EST  --  Report as abuse
txguy2112 wrote:

@Psest328

Yes, when the 2nd ammendment was written the weapons available were muskets but the people we needed to defend against were also using muskets. Are you suggesting I use my flintlick (yes, I have one) against someone using a Glock? Unless I get real lucky with my first shot we will see who comes out ahead in that encounter.

Dec 18, 2012 7:20am EST  --  Report as abuse
chopper1 wrote:

Obama better clean up his own Justice Department (Fast and Furious) before he passes new gun laws onto the American people.

Dec 18, 2012 7:21am EST  --  Report as abuse
sylvan wrote:

GOPers used a scorch the earth policy during elections on every issue. They lost. Who cares what they think?
Take away assault rifles and high volume clips.

Dec 18, 2012 7:23am EST  --  Report as abuse
txguy2112 wrote:

@jwws9999

First off you might want to look up the definition of weapons of mass destruction. Semi automatic firearms are far from weapons of mass destruction as I cannot completely destroy cities with one. Also, exactly how does someone carrying a gun prevent your right to free speech? You really need to calm down and think before you post as both of your statements make no real sense.

Dec 18, 2012 7:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
PsychoGlory wrote:

Now matter what the laws say criminals are people who BREAK laws, laws do nothing to stop criminals they do not stop, prevent or even slow down criminals. What we need is less restrictions and more freedom so people are allowed to defend themselves.

Dec 18, 2012 8:09am EST  --  Report as abuse
jwws9999 wrote:

txguy2112, the first amendment gives the right to peaceably assemble, try getting your history lesson from something other than foxnews

Dec 18, 2012 8:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
mirab wrote:

Guns do not kill on their own as someone has to pull the trigger. These type of massacres in the United States are not uncommon and as we have seen in the recent past such as in Norway where a so called “Lone” gunman killed 77 children not to mention many other similar acts of violence in different parts of the world. The official report on this school shooting in Connecticut leaves much to be desired.

Dec 18, 2012 8:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
bflat879 wrote:

As arrogant as he is, it wouldn’t surprise me if he’d try but his best bet is to actually try something new for him, leadership.

Dec 18, 2012 8:44am EST  --  Report as abuse
bflat879 wrote:

As arrogant as he is, it wouldn’t surprise me if he’d try but his best bet is to actually try something new for him, leadership.

Dec 18, 2012 8:44am EST  --  Report as abuse
AZreb wrote:

Interesting – it was okay for “straw buyers” to buy multiple assault rifles when the Department of Justice and ATF were in charge of the “Fast and Furious” gun-running program that led to thousands of these weapons being given to drug cartels – and the killing of a Border Patrol agent, Brian Terry, on US land – but now they want to curtail those “straw buyers”. Make up your darn mind!!!!!

Dec 18, 2012 8:55am EST  --  Report as abuse
Draza wrote:

Herr Obama now wants the powers that Morsi has just granted himself. Heil Obama, the american dictator…

Now obey the ATF and board the trains…

Dec 18, 2012 9:04am EST  --  Report as abuse
Rich_F wrote:

i wonder why the press won’t report on how an armed citizen SAVED LIVES in the oregon mall shooting. oh that’s right becuase they have an agenda.

http://www.examiner.com/article/media-blackout-oregon-mall-shooter-was-stopped-by-an-armed-citizen?cid=db_articles

Dec 18, 2012 9:05am EST  --  Report as abuse
Overcast451 wrote:

And this stop illegal guns and the illegal use of guns how?

A law will fix the problems that are already illegal?

Makes sense… if you are clueless.

Dec 18, 2012 9:05am EST  --  Report as abuse
judester wrote:

Do you honestly think more laws on gun control will get the attention of the criminals?

Dec 18, 2012 9:07am EST  --  Report as abuse
jwws9999 wrote:

bflat, you guys lost the election because of your out of touch mentality and inability to govern, so start loking in the mirror before attacking obama

as far as these rifles not being wmd’s, tell that to the parents who lost their children

Dec 18, 2012 9:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
Crash866 wrote:

sylvan
that was presidential election not a mandate for the progressive liberal movement or a vote to change the constitution…you will find out more as time goes by…enjoy while you can but it was not a referendum to amend the constitution as the progressive liberals see it…

Dec 18, 2012 9:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
Crash866 wrote:

The Progressive Liberal movement and this president make me sick. Using this to grandstand and push their agenda…unreal…

Dec 18, 2012 9:19am EST  --  Report as abuse
Crash866 wrote:

samalematina
Your arguement is insane.

Dec 18, 2012 9:20am EST  --  Report as abuse
Crash866 wrote:

Part of the fundemental change he promised 2008…was anyone listening and believing it…tick tock

Dec 18, 2012 9:25am EST  --  Report as abuse
Crash866 wrote:

Notice how they didn’t even mention mental health…more a factor in these shootings then the weapons themselves

Dec 18, 2012 9:27am EST  --  Report as abuse
Crash866 wrote:

than the weapons themselves…I know I am crazy and mean

Dec 18, 2012 9:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
txguy2112 wrote:

@jwws9999

So anyone who disagrees with you is a republican who watches fox news. I feel sorry for you that you do not realize that the whole world does not break down into
1. people who think exactly like you
2. evil republicans
I am neither of those
I feel that the likes of you trying to take away my freedoms are infringig on my rights every bit as much as you think I am supposedly infringing on yours

Dec 18, 2012 9:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
TeaPublican wrote:

Do you think Republican Congressman Louis Gohmert of Texas is RIGHT when he said “if the Sandy Hook Elementary School principal had only had an assault rifle stored in a gun locker, lives would have been saved!” I don’t know, do you think that principal deserves some blame for not having a gun in her classroom or on her? Then what about what Larry Pratt, Head of “Gun Owners of America” when he said: “Federal and State laws combined to insure that NO teacher, NO administrator, NO adult had a gun at the Newton school where the children were murdered!” Do you think when schools are doing their safety plans they should also include having every school employee packing a weapon on them? Should teachers be allowed to have a M4 assault rifle hanging from their shoulder? And then Old Paths Baptist Church Pastor Sam Morris told his congregation that the shootings happened in schools that were government “mind-control centers” that taught “Junk about evolution: and “how to be a homo.” So, do school employees need to be armed and quit teaching evolution and how to be a homo so that their children can be protected from shooters?

Dec 18, 2012 9:45am EST  --  Report as abuse

‘The situation is desperate, it will take the action of one man who can act without legal hindrance to get us out of this grave danger.
Give me the power, I won’t abuse it.’

Where have I heard those words before?

Dec 18, 2012 9:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
xmanvietnam wrote:

More gun laws/restrictions will not solve the problem. The existing laws worked perfectly… he tried to buy a gun and was denied. So, he stole a gun and went to a target-rich, shooter-safe, gun-free zone as defined by existing laws. He broke the laws and killed people. By definition, laws ONLY apply to law-abiding citizens…criminals historically have little regard for the law.

If there had been fewer restrictions, allowing staff or parents to carry a weapon on the school grounds, this tragedy might have been averted, or atleast minimized. The gun-haters and governmetn are responsible for these deaths.

People need to decide if they will be a predator, victim, or survivor. rongoulden.com/Literary.htm

Dec 18, 2012 10:17am EST  --  Report as abuse
xmanvietnam wrote:

@Psest328 and others… While the Second Amendment and the Constitution was definitely written at the time when muskets were the ultimate individual military weapon, it was obviously designed to allow the common citizen (the militia) the right to arm himself comparably to the military standard of the time, in order to defend against an over-reaching government. Today, that means ‘assault rifles’…in the future, maybe ray guns and light sabers.

Dec 18, 2012 10:23am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

Rich_F wrote:
“i wonder why the press won’t report on how an armed citizen SAVED LIVES in the oregon mall shooting. oh that’s right becuase they have an agenda.”

Maybe the press don’t report it because it never happened. Have you read your own link?

“Meli took cover inside a nearby store. He never pulled the trigger.”

“I’m not beating myself up cause I didn’t shoot him”

Only in the Republican alternative reality can somebody not pulling the trigger and not shooting anybody become “an armed citizen SAVED LIVES”…

Dec 18, 2012 10:30am EST  --  Report as abuse
SGOLDEN wrote:

Obama has now taken on the sweet sound of the “paper butt hole”.

Dec 18, 2012 10:30am EST  --  Report as abuse
Crash866 wrote:

TeaPublican
Thanks for pointing out crazy to all of us. Don’t really need the help. By the way banning all guns won’t stop gun violence or people who wish to commit horrific acts with or without guns.

Dec 18, 2012 10:31am EST  --  Report as abuse
randburg100 wrote:

To all those who stand up and yell that having an arsenal at home makes you all cuddly and safe…..if I recall Lanza’s mother had a load of weapons…..fat lot of good they did her ….just a thought!!!

Dec 18, 2012 10:32am EST  --  Report as abuse
Crash866 wrote:

samalematina
Without that the US is out of step with the rest of the civilised world…
Really…crazy, bad, evil USA…get a grip

Dec 18, 2012 10:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

judester wrote:
“Do you honestly think more laws on gun control will get the attention of the criminals?”

They are not intended to get the attention of criminals – you are arguing against your own imagination.

The idea of gun laws is to make it harder for criminals to get guns. Why are you so opposed to that?

Dec 18, 2012 10:38am EST  --  Report as abuse
elsewhere wrote:

Another divisive project by liberals and small minded people in the US. Many people are tired of Obama’s behavior and tired of liberal agendas. I hope he doesn’t try anything along those lines for the sake of the country. If they lack knowledge of an object that means no one else can be smart enough to know or use it. What drivel and plain stupidity.

Dec 18, 2012 10:38am EST  --  Report as abuse
Crash866 wrote:

Donnatello
“Somehow, I think my right to have a safe society for my children outweighs your right to stroke your ego by firing a weapon.”

So you are saying those that have chlidren have more or stronger rights in the US? Um no. We all have the same rights. Check the constitution.
Horrible thing that happened but that does not change the rights of US citizens or your desire to change them as you see fir. Keep using this tragedy to grandstand…nice…

Dec 18, 2012 10:40am EST  --  Report as abuse
Crash866 wrote:

randburg100
It’s called personal choice and freedoms. Yes we shold be outrraged by this and Lanza’s mother made a bad choice and paid the price. I am guessing you would want to change the person right to choice. Think about it. Bad idea and it won’t stop this one or the next one.

Dec 18, 2012 10:43am EST  --  Report as abuse
sjfella wrote:

Old but just as true as ever; when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.

Dec 18, 2012 11:09am EST  --  Report as abuse
Jameson4Lunch wrote:

It’s funny that people think banning assault rifles would make one lick of difference. A handgun is just as effective in close quarters situations. A standard hunting rifle can kill people just as efficiently. And if none of these were available, people would use knives, hatchets, and bombs.

People don’t decide they’re going to go shoot a bunch of people, they decide they’re going to kill a bunch of people. The use of a gun to do this is a matter of convenience, but other methods will be used if guns are no longer convenient to obtain.

Dec 18, 2012 11:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
randburg100 wrote:

Perhaps yank schools should mount 0.50 calibre machine guns on their main gates….anyone not providing suitable ID is machine gunned….????

Dec 18, 2012 11:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
randburg100 wrote:

By the way…all these millions of guns didn’t stop 9/11…..??

Dec 18, 2012 11:20am EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

How are all you dumb redneck sumbiches liking that Patriot Act now? Hey just remember what you used to say when Bush was in office: “If you haven’t done anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.” Good times. Idiots.

Dec 18, 2012 11:21am EST  --  Report as abuse
Crash866 wrote:

Abulafiah
Becasue it doesn’t work. South Side of Chicago is a case in point. Almost all the shootings are done by criminals with priors using illegally owned weapons.

Dec 18, 2012 11:23am EST  --  Report as abuse
Crash866 wrote:

elsewhere
Thank you saying what this

Dec 18, 2012 11:24am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

elsewhere wrote:
“Many people are tired of Obama’s behavior and tired of liberal agendas.”

So that is how he won the election. Interesting tactic.

Crash866 wrote:
“So you are saying those that have chlidren have more or stronger rights in the US?”

No. He is saying that you talk a lot about your alleged right to own a gun, but ignore everybody else’s universal right to life. Twenty eight people just had their right to life violated, but you don’t care about that. You are willing to let it happen all over again.

Dec 18, 2012 11:31am EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

If Congress is against gun control…. why don’t they allow guns in their building? By the NRA’s logic, isn’t it the responsibility of every congressperson and every administrative assistant and every intern to be armed and ready for the biggie?

Dec 18, 2012 11:47am EST  --  Report as abuse
fawltybean wrote:

Problem is Obama don’t have a spine… This has been the problem with many issues including fiscal cliff, debt ceiling and obama care. Obama’s policy put up a show then cave in to GOP.

Dec 18, 2012 11:49am EST  --  Report as abuse
Shamizar wrote:

Abulafiah wrote:
Only in the Republican alternative reality can somebody not pulling the trigger and not shooting anybody become “an armed citizen SAVED LIVES”…

So, by your logic, if an armed bank robber does not pull the trigger and does not shoot anybody it was not an armed robbery, the teller just gave him some money?

Dec 18, 2012 11:49am EST  --  Report as abuse
Crash866 wrote:

randburg100
Thats is the stupidest post ever

Dec 18, 2012 12:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Crash866 wrote:

AlkalineState
You have out done yourself with that post. Is this your logic to ban guns….

Dec 18, 2012 12:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Crash866 wrote:

Abulafiah
Amazing!!! I do care and it’s a horrible thing that happened. I never said anything about anyone’s right to life. I am not willing to let it or want it to happen again. But it will and there is nothng you or I or anyone can do about unless you are the person that is the going to commit a horrendius act and choose not to do so. This is about personal choice, rights and the freedom to have them. I hate to disapoint you but we all have them. What you want is to force everyone to live by your progressive liberal aganda and take away their rights as you see fit. Sadly, the progressive liberals are using this to grandstand.

Dec 18, 2012 12:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Crash866 wrote:

AlkalineState
This debate is about personal choice, rights and the freedom to have them. Not the right to bring weapons into Congress. Stay on point and make a rational arguement.

Dec 18, 2012 12:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Jameson4Lunch wrote:

To anyone shocked and asking for “something to be done” about this incident, understand that attacks like this are nothing new in the US. What is still the deadliest attack on a US school occurred in 1927 by a disgruntled board member who planted dynamite in a school. The Bath School disaster. Incidents like this will happen, as they always have in our modern society. Restricting freedom will do nothing to restrict a persons decision to become a monster and lose all empathy towards his fellow man.

Dec 18, 2012 12:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Crash, let me know when you have an answer.

Dec 18, 2012 12:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Crash866 wrote:

AlkalineState
Can’t answer a non-sense question. Ask the NRA you seem to know a lot about their “agenda”. I am guessing they would think it would be non sense to allow anyone to bring in weapons to congress.

Dec 18, 2012 2:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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