Gun enthusiasts pack shows to buy assault weapons

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viper41 wrote:

Most of these reporters wouldn’t know an “assault weapon” if it bit them in the ass!

Dec 22, 2012 5:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Vegascelt wrote:

The Mother Jones propaganda piece only looked at cases where four or more people were killed. If an armed civilian stopped the shooting in under four dead, then the Mother Jones propaganda study didn’t include those cases. For a more honest study, search for the one by William Landes at the University of Chicago and John Lott at Yale.
As far as rkirchem claiming that the police avoid firing their weapons, I’d bet he has never lived in Nevada. Lefties like him should e ashamed of advancing his agenda by using the bodies of dead children.

Dec 22, 2012 5:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
LtScrounge wrote:

RKirchem, and the data supporting those studies has been suspect. The truth is that the Mother Jones study deliberately excluded all mass shootings in which an armed citizen stopped it. Pretty easy to come to a conclusion when you exclude all of the data that disproves your conclusion. Want proof? Look at the Colorado shooting wherein one nut job shot up a church camp and then went to the church over 30 miles away. He killed two little girls in the parking lot but was shot by the female security guard volunteer before he could enter the sanctuary that contained hundreds of worshippers. Mother Jones didn’t include it in their report.

The Israelis had a problem with terrorists with REAL assault rifles, not semi automatic copies, attacking their schools. They trained and allowed those who wanted to carry firearms to do so. Terrorist attacks came to an abrupt stop and they haven’t had an attack on their schools since 1974.

BTW Reuters, you can’t legally walk into any kind of gun shop and walk out with an Assault Rifle in 30 minutes. You need to learn your terms if you’re going to write articles. The very definition of an assault rifle includes the capacity for fully automatic fire. To purchase a fully automatic weapon requires that the buyer undergo a FULL background check including finger printing and pay $200 for that background check. It averages close to two MONTHS for a class III background check to go through.

Dec 22, 2012 5:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
robobbob wrote:

I must have missed it in the article. Which gun did lanza purchase at a gunshow without doing a background check that she would have passed anyway?
Oh, what the heck, why waste a crisis by muddying up the narrative with facts when theres an agenda to push?

Dec 22, 2012 5:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Vegascelt wrote:

Another thing, rkirchem, the Violence Policy Center is a pro gun control establishment. Kind of skews their results, don’t you think. Funny you didn’t mention that. Also, about the NY police shooting bystanders, certainly not a case for depending on them for protection.

Dec 22, 2012 5:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Vegascelt wrote:

Another thing, rkirchem, the Violence Policy Center is a pro gun control establishment. Kind of skews their results, don’t you think. Funny you didn’t mention that. Also, about the NY police shooting bystanders, certainly not a case for depending on them for protection.

Dec 22, 2012 5:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Vegascelt wrote:

Another thing, rkirchem, the Violence Policy Center is a pro gun control establishment. Kind of skews their results, don’t you think. Funny you didn’t mention that. Also, about the NY police shooting bystanders, certainly not a case for depending on them for protection.

Dec 22, 2012 5:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
robobbob wrote:

@rkirchem
you will never find what you do not want to see. if it were stopped, it wouldn’t be a front page incident. just the week before SH, there was an attempted incident at an Oregon mall. When confronted by an armed CC civilian the maniac shot himself. loss of life, 2(?) out of an entire mall full of people. MSM coverage, almost nil.

Dec 22, 2012 5:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
4NoParty wrote:

The term Gun Show loophole is a dishonest, fabricated term. All gun show dealers will run a background check on any and all guns that require it. If a gun or rifle is pre 1898 it doesn’t require one. If a show goer has a gun with him and sells it to another person who isn’t a dealer, the only connection with the Gun Show is that they are at one. They could meet on a street corner, their homes, etc. I think the term is deliberately bandied about for political reasons. And, no, I do not have a gun. I feel that lying about a loophole that isn’t there, makes me highly suspicious of the intentions of the users of that term. A little more honesty would be a good start.

Dec 22, 2012 5:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bobdee wrote:

“Gun enthusiasts” should be replaced with “Second Amendment supporters”. But I understand the attempt at “Yellow Journalism” here. Also, the comment herein referencing Mother Jones magazine as a source can be quite adequately refuted by the study conducted by William Landes at the University of Chicago and John Lott at Yale.

Dec 22, 2012 5:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
adfkadf wrote:

Weapons have been here since the dawn of mankind. Violence is a part of life from War declared by rulers to wives getting mad and killing the husband. The So-called utopia people long for is imaginary.

I’m a Vet, I went in the Army on my 17th birth date so I was raised by Real Men in the Military, you know the kind who would kill you. At 18 years old, I saw more death and killing than you can believe. I was in Vietnam with the US Army in 1967 and 1968 during the worse time….!

People have been taught to depend on a cop for aid but just because they have a badge and a weapon that doesn’t mean they have ever faced combat, they could very well be the biggest buffoon in a uniform but they are first responders. That’s a nice name to call someone who shows up after the fact. I would grantee 95% of them never faced a situation where the weapon had to be pull in defense.

Our Constitution is THE LAW OF THE LAND, The 2nd Amendment gives me the right to defend myself and it’s never going to be Changed. I would never put myself in a situation where I had to depend on some buffoon in a so-called uniform. The way things are going in the USA, has People terrified about the future so they are taking responsibility buying weapons for protection.

So my question is this, if this Nation comes totally unglued do you really think anyone is going to come to your aid?

Dec 22, 2012 5:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
daedilus wrote:

rkirchem wrote:

“An analysis this year from the Violence Policy Center found that states”……

Consider the source… A casual observance of the news here in the *real world* will demonstrate the cities with the tightest gun controls to be the murder capitals of the nation…

Washington DC, Chicago, Detroit, et all…

Stick with the real world and you won’t be deceived by propaganda.

Dec 22, 2012 6:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
daedilus wrote:

rkirchem wrote:
“n the 62 mass-murder cases over 30 years examined recently by the magazine Mother Jones”……

Again, consider the propaganda source you are quoting…

I can name two off the top of my head without any research.

1.)The recent Clakamas Mall shooter killed himself when confronted by an armed civilian.

2.)The attempted mass shooting in a church in Aurora the same week as the batman shooting ended after the first person was shot when the gunman was killed by an armed parishioner.

You are nothing but a paid hack troll.

Dec 22, 2012 6:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Semi-automatic rifles are used in less that 1% of gun crimes.

GunFacts.Info
http://gunfacts.info

Countries with stringent gun control laws have much higher violent crime rates than those without.

WOULD BANNING FIREARMS REDUCE MURDER AND SUICIDE?, A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence by Don B. Kates and Gary Mauser, Volume 30, Number 2 of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (pp. 649-694)

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

But Lefties don’t care about facts that contradict their preconceived notions, prejudices and totalitarian agenda.

Dec 22, 2012 6:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
everyone wrote:

A perfect example of the mental health question. Who are these people who think that a military firearm will save their skin? Strength is measured in numbers. Strength is measured by resourcefulness…..

They’re just going to wind up shooting each other. It’s true.

Dec 22, 2012 6:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
sbob850 wrote:

All you brothers out there who love your gun rights, I know you are there because I see you at the Gun Shows. The Democrats continue to lie to you and say they’re not after your guns, but, they are. So if you Democrat Brothers want to keep your Gun Rights, quit voting for DEMOCRATS.
Never Ever vote for a Democrat!!

Dec 22, 2012 7:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
sbob850 wrote:

All you brothers out there who love your gun rights, I know you are there because I see you at the Gun Shows. The Democrats continue to lie to you and say they’re not after your guns, but, they are. So if you Democrat Brothers want to keep your Gun Rights, quit voting for DEMOCRATS.
Never Ever vote for a Democrat!!

Dec 22, 2012 7:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
supersniffy11 wrote:

@bobdee – Can I use your term “Yellow Journalism”? It is most appropriate for what the pols and MSM are doing. They are whoring out this tragedy to promote their agenda. And they started it before they were even properly buried.

MSM WHORES!

Dec 22, 2012 7:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Vegascelt wrote:

@Everyone Yes, strength is measured in numbers. The number of rounds in a magazine.

Dec 22, 2012 7:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Vegascelt wrote:

@Congressive, constructive debate tactic. BTW, are you still beating the wife?

Dec 22, 2012 7:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
daedilus wrote:

congressive.

what a troll.

number of privately held firearms in the USA: 345,000,000.

number of mass child murders in the USA in the last 100 years: 4

number committed with firearms: 2

number of mass child murderers out of 345,000,000 in the last 100 years: 3

number of children of school age shot in a gun-free city so far this year: 446 (Chicago)

Dec 22, 2012 7:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
4mommy wrote:

Violence Policy Center??? What won’t they report to further their agenda? So cops and trained security can’t hit their target? Maybe we should hire Ritalin-doped 20 year-old White males for security– they see to never miss.
Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Dec 22, 2012 8:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

Vegascelt wrote:
“For a more honest study, search for the one by William Landes at the University of Chicago and John Lott at Yale.”

John Lott was a fraud. Didn’t you know that?

All his data was conveniently lost in a ‘crashed hard drive’ (with no back up…)so no peers could review it, and a year-long search for anybody who took part in his claimed survey failed to find a single participant.

Dec 23, 2012 5:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

bobdee wrote:
“Gun enthusiasts” should be replaced with “Second Amendment supporters”.

I sometimes wonder if the ‘gun enthusiasts’ actually know what the second amendment says, or whether the deliberately choose to misquote it. This is what it says, in full:

“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

Can you see this bit -> “”A well regulated militia ”

See how it says “well regulated”? If you are a second amendment supporter, you should also support being well regulated.

It is time for gun enthusiast to understand that if the refuse to follow the constitution and accept being well regulated, they lose their right to bear arms. They should not be allowed to cherry pick which bits of the constitution they follow, and ignore the rest.

Dec 23, 2012 5:19am EST  --  Report as abuse
JiminGa wrote:

I promise all reading this post there were no assault weapons sold at guns shows this weekend, nor any weekend for that matter. Automatic weapons have been highly regulated since 1934. The authors obviously have little knowledge of guns and are too lazy to learn. So this is not a news report…it’s an editorial. But then, it’s Reuters where aoll “news” is editorials.

Dec 23, 2012 7:27am EST  --  Report as abuse
lloydc1234 wrote:

I can get a deer with one shot and a squirrel with one 12-gauge shot. I don’t need a magazine that holds 30 rounds. You others need to practice more and you don’t need 30 rounds to practice. Period.

Dec 23, 2012 8:03am EST  --  Report as abuse
Crazy_Redneck wrote:

@lloydc1234 — Who the heck shoots squirrels with a 12ga.? A nice pellet gun with a scope suffices. I would hope you can hit a squirrel with a 12ga. Can you hit 3 bad guys with 1 shot? Can you hit 3 bad guys with 3 shots? Shooting animals and shooting attackers are completely different things.

Dec 23, 2012 8:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
guru2u wrote:

With so many lawful Americans buying guns, and ammo, aren’t our “leaders” missing something? Maybe this is something Americans want and our “leaders” have once again misread the public and decided to “save us from ourselves”

Dec 23, 2012 8:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

@guru2u

They could be missing the possibility that the right-wing is building its own private militia, and that the non-gun fanatical majority need protecting from them.

Dec 23, 2012 9:23am EST  --  Report as abuse
Vegascelt wrote:

@Abulafiah John Lott was a fraud? Why, because you say so? As for the “well regulated militia” argument, the Supreme Court already says your wrong. And applying common sense, which you obviously lack, why would all of the other articles in the bill of rights be individual ones, except the 2nd amendment?

Dec 23, 2012 9:50am EST  --  Report as abuse
Cogs wrote:

Another writer who doesn’t know what he is talking about. “Assault Weapon” is a term madeup by the Lefty media. The closest thing is an automatic which has been outlawed for civilians since 1934. A sem-auto is probably 95% of all firearms in the USA.

Dec 23, 2012 9:59am EST  --  Report as abuse
jgreene wrote:

There’re is no such thing as an assault weapon. The ignorance of this Reuters writer is as great as that of American anti-gun Liberals. There are handguns, shotguns and rifles. Rifles are either bolt action, lever action or semi-automatic.

Full auto weapons like military m16 are illegal to own EXCEPT with a very special and difficult to get FEDERAL LICENSE.

The British People have been disarmed by their Masters. The American People are armed, locked and loaded.

The monsters committing these multiple shootings are empowered by THE LAW becaus they ALL have had mental problems and were taking prescription medications which may have lead to their SUICIDAL BEHAVIOR.

Dec 23, 2012 10:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
jgreene wrote:

There’re is no such thing as an assault weapon. The ignorance of this Reuters writer is as great as that of American anti-gun Liberals. There are handguns, shotguns and rifles. Rifles are either bolt action, lever action or semi-automatic.

Full auto weapons like military m16 are illegal to own EXCEPT with a very special and difficult to get FEDERAL LICENSE.

The British People have been disarmed by their Masters. The American People are armed, locked and loaded.

The monsters committing these multiple shootings are empowered by THE LAW becaus they ALL have had mental problems and were taking prescription medications which may have lead to their SUICIDAL BEHAVIOR.

Dec 23, 2012 10:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
cathy1954 wrote:

Daedilus, u are so right. I live in the Detroit are and we are one of the nation’s murder capitals. You want to know why? Because no matter how tight.gun laws are, the criminals ie gangs, buy their guns off the streets. There is/are no background checks or gun laws that apply to them (for those that don’t know). A concealed gun permit takes about 6 months to get before you can get a purchase permit. Meantime, gang related shootings have probably caused 12 deaths. In a neighboring city, it takes about 30 minutes to get a purchase permit. Criminals will always have guns but with stricter gun laws, the law abiding person may not. And, there is no permit to own a “regular” rifle you can get those at any Target, KMart, or Walmart. Wake up people, wouldn’t you want a gun to protect your family? One you know would do the job? Just make sure you don’t shoot the guy in the back or you will be tried for murder or manslaughter.

Dec 23, 2012 10:33am EST  --  Report as abuse
lawgone wrote:

If this isn’t the most bias, untruthful, piece of malarkey I have read in a long long time I don’t know what is, even the headline is untrue. First off, they are not “assault weapons”, they are neither, “assault” would infer they are for the sole purpose of assaulting and “weapons” would infer they are only used as a weapon. Further, actual assault rifles are capable of full-auto fire which have a selector switch on the rifle that is used to go from full-auto to semi-auto fire and are used by the military for the sole purpose of “assaulting”. How can a discussion even take place if outright lies are being used? Any semi-auto firearm does the same thing, the ONLY difference is the profile (appearance) of each firearm. For instance, I have rifles which have the appearance of a “standard” looking rifle and have a magazine, and, I have rifles that have the appearance of a “military” rifle but neither are “assault weapons” and both operate exactly the same, they just look differently. One may look scarier than the other, but the is the only difference between them. I have handguns that are semi-auto as well and operate the same as a semi-auto rifle. What this really amounts to is the writer of this article and the politicians in DC are outright lying in order to further their gun grabbing agenda. The federal “assault weapon” ban of 1994 made absolutely no difference in the statistics over the 10 year banning period. They were lies back then and they are lies now.

Dec 23, 2012 10:57am EST  --  Report as abuse
regould22 wrote:

I wonder if the gun haters know they are responsible for the jump in gun sales.

Dec 23, 2012 12:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
kg4boe wrote:

The lesson to you media pukes is that We The People will not give up our liberties. You can pump out all the twisted propaganda lies you want but know this truth. If you or the government think we will just hand over our guns, your are sadly mistaken. Remember, any unconstitutional laws passed are null and void on arrival. Do not tread on us!

Dec 23, 2012 1:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
whtnationaist wrote:

The children of Sandy Hook didn’t die from guns, they died from neglect. Neglect of even the most basic safety measures. All that stood between them and a killer was a window. An easily broken window. Anyone with a machete, rifle, baseball bat, etc could have taken their lives. There is no excuse for such neglect of the safety of our children!

Dec 23, 2012 1:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
whtnationaist wrote:

To see how well gun bans work look at Kenya… the routinely have massacres that rival anything in the US. Millions died from machetes in Rwanda. The problem with school shootings is lack of common sense safety measures. Most schools let anyone walk in and go anywhere in the building. Sandy Hook children had only an easily broken window between them and killers. No secure lobby like business have. No locked and cardkey operated doors like businesses have. No safety at all.

Dec 23, 2012 1:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bobber1956 wrote:

obama caused this recent rush for the American people to arm themselves. He planned it. Just wait until he gets with the UN next year. And then who is it he is “vacationing” with out of the country, sort of, and the “public eye”. There is only one way left to end this peacefully. Benghazi-impeachment. WAKE UP!!!!!

Dec 23, 2012 2:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse

THIS IS EUGENICS AT IT’S FINEST MOMENT. CONGRESS DOES ITSELF PROUD. I AM SURE THE SPIRITS OF GOEBBELS AND HITLER APPLAUD FROM HELL OBAMA WILL BE PROUD ALSO

Dec 23, 2012 3:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse

GUN CONTROL IN AMERICA IS EUGENICS AT IT’S FINEST MOMENT. CONGRESS DOES ITSELF PROUD. I AM SURE THE SPIRITS OF HIMMLER, GOEBBELS AND HITLER APPLAUD FROM HELL OBAMA WILL BE PROUD ALSO

Dec 23, 2012 3:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DearOldDad wrote:

School shootings can be stopped by allowing responsible adults to carry concealed.

However, Wayne LaPierre’s plan is bad; it sounds like a new TSA for our schools. (Why does NRA have an affinity for big government solutions?) We don’t need federal police, especially in our schools sexually assaulting us when we parents go there for our kids. Simply repealing the gun-free zone laws will do the trick. NO to the bad idea of federal guards!

Dec 23, 2012 4:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rasputyn wrote:

In preparation for the imminent civil war in the US?

Dec 23, 2012 5:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Vegascelt wrote:

The idea advanced by most folks is to use off duty or retired police officers in plain clothes. The cost could be covered by reducing the bloated administration staffing in most school districts.

Dec 23, 2012 5:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Vegascelt wrote:

The idea advanced by most folks is to use off duty or retired police officers in plain clothes. The cost could be covered by reducing the bloated administration staffing in most school districts.

Dec 23, 2012 5:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
yourking wrote:

FBI stats show more Americans are killed every year by shotguns than rifles of which assault weapons are only a subset of the rifle category. Banning assault weapons is simply putting lipstick on a pig. It will not change the number of deaths caused by handgun and shotgun and those that kill with assault weapons will simple use a different alternative to kill their victims.

Dec 23, 2012 6:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ACRScout wrote:

My question in all of this is “If gun owners give in and accept new restrictions on guns, what’s next?” Is free speech next on the political chopping block? Since when did the U.S. Constitution authorized punitive action against all citizens because of the misdeeds of a few? As a law abiding gun owner who has NEVER in my 55 years, broken ANY firearms law, I have to wonder why a nut shooting up a school becomes justification for restrictions being placed on my freedoms?

Actions such as those being suggested by the political left, only make me less likely to agree to any restrictions, and makes me more likely to engage in politics to let my elected Reps know that I will not accept any concessions on their part as my elected Reps and that I will vote accordingly.

Dec 23, 2012 8:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

“Gun enthusiasts pack shows to buy assault weapons”

Yes…. that will fix it. Because 300 million guns in this population has not been going badly enough. Hillbilly Christmas to the rescue!

Dec 24, 2012 4:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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