Ambushed NY firemen shot dead; 2 police killed elsewhere

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sjfella wrote:

Madness!

Dec 24, 2012 11:06am EST  --  Report as abuse
Yankee1776 wrote:

I already know the anti-gun lobbyist response. Let’s create prisons for all guns that are responsible for injuring or killing people.

Unless guns are sentient and capable of inflicting harm and/or taking the life of another, they are inanimate objects with no self will and no ability to act on their own.

Solve the problem, find and prosecute the criminals, not law abiding citizens who happen to enjoy owning and using firearms.

Anti-gun extremists claim they are not attacking the rights of law abiding gun owners. However, if you ask these same persons to outlaw alcohol, which is responsible for more than 2.5 times the number of deaths in the US than guns, then you are infringing on their freedom and right to consume alcohol.

Dec 24, 2012 11:31am EST  --  Report as abuse
MetalHead8 wrote:

Well said Yankee. Not suprising the gun control bigots are throwing insults. Regardless, this is really sad and im glad that the firefighter is ok. We lost to many firefighters in the last few years

Dec 24, 2012 11:52am EST  --  Report as abuse
reality-again wrote:

Sadly, this tragic killing as well as the one in Pennsylvania are yet another proof that this country needs no less than a complete reform of our gun laws, including very strict limits on gun ownership and trade.
A single, low-caliber, low-power, non-automatic handgun is the maximum firepower anyone should be allowed to own for their self defense, and only under severe limitations.

Enough is enough, and please stop using the 2nd amendment argument, since it’s obviously a moot one, because the people who wrote it were too good to imagine the madness going on in America today.

Laws are written to protect people, and not to expose them to psychopathic murderers and criminals.

Dec 24, 2012 12:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
circulo110 wrote:

Metalhead, two of the firefighters are dead. That’s not what I would call “OK”.

Dec 24, 2012 12:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
judgebean wrote:

The current national trend is to arm firefighters. They are called public safety officers that wield both gun and axe. Many communities are doing this out of fiscal necessity. It never occurred to me that both would be needed at the same time. Madness…

Dec 24, 2012 12:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

MetalHead8: You’re glad the firefighter is okay? Two died. You consider that okay? There is no such thing as a gun control bigot. It doesn’t make sense.

The real extremists are not those calling for gun regulations. They are in line with the rest of he world. The extremists are the usual suspects, the same ones who backed Bush’s war in Iraq based on lies; the same people who don’t believe healthcare should be made affordable for all Americans; the same people who reject the conclusions of the scientific community that man is contributing to global warming; the same people who attack any politician who tries to cut our bloated defense budget, who want to deny a woman the right to an abortion if they so choose, or who think billionaires will create jobs if only we offer them more tax cuts. It’s the same rightwing extremists who were trying to force our country to default on our debt obligations, causing our nation’s credit rating to take a hit. They are the ones demanding that the US no longer lead the world in progressive thinking.

What angers me is that these rightwing extremists want to deny our country a rational discussion on guns and how to reduce gun violence,the same attitude they have toward discourse on the wealth disparity that exists in the US. Most Americans, as do most humans on the planet, do not believe that more guns in the hands of more Americans is the answer. There is no evidence to support that. But there are plenty of studies that support the opposite view. http://www.upworthy.com/the-nra-thinks-more-guns-are-the-answer-bless-their-hearts-then-watch-this?c=ufb1

Dec 24, 2012 12:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Turf12 wrote:

so very sad, my condolences to the family and friends of these brave firefighters.

Dec 24, 2012 12:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
deerecub1977 wrote:

global media driven u.n. agenda

Dec 24, 2012 12:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
deerecub1977 wrote:

AGAIN this isnt about guns.

Dec 24, 2012 12:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
anarcurt wrote:

America the Brutal

Dec 24, 2012 12:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
L1FTD wrote:

I’m starting to think that all these shootings are part of a government conspiracy to take our 2nd amendment away.. They are becoming wayyyy to frequent..

Dec 24, 2012 12:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rubbadubdub wrote:

again, clear it up for me Americans, why do you need guns?

Dec 24, 2012 1:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Gigimoderate wrote:

Oh know…this is terrible. I’m scared to post anything else against guns. I live in the woods and I worry for me and my family that a man in Camouflage will be Reckless in shooting and injury me or someone I love. I worry the NRA has brain washed all their members into thinking more guns is the solution! People with a obcession of guns have a genuine fear the government wants to take their guns and fear drives them to do crazy things!

Dec 24, 2012 1:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

I see these incidents as an opportunity, the dawning of a new day when every man, woman and child can freely carry the weapon of their choice wherever and whenever the choose. I envision neighbors meeting at the local grocery showing off their latest purchases, sharing a laugh as they shoot the stock clerk in the butt. I have a dream where people are packin’ in church, at the local McDonalds, or enjoying a pizza party at Chuck E. Cheese with their kids. I can see joggers and folks walking their dogs all carrying heat on a beautiful sunny day. A world where everyone has a gun at sporting events and casinos, movie theaters and rock concerts. That’s the world we need to work toward. That could be our future here in the US if the gun safety advocates don’t get in our way. God bless our guns. No where in the Bible does it say, live by the gun, die by the gun, for surely if God didn’t intend for man to carry a gun he would have stated that in the Bible.

Dec 24, 2012 1:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
seren37 wrote:

Society is breaking down but Wayne La Pierre says “Every American has a right to a shoulder-launched missile. And shouldn’t those firefighters have had Guards so they wouldn’t have been shot when fighting fires? Let things burn so we can have our Rambo rifles. Those shooters were probably playing video games as they assassinated firemen. No doubt they were godless and gay, too! A guard on every rooftop, I say. A guard in every corner. America as an armed camp! Let’s hear it for the gun manufacturers and the NRA! Yayyyy! Besides. nothing to see here, folks. Move along. Now is not the time to discuss this. Wait a few months until we’ve forgotten all about it because we’re all agog about Justin Bieber’s hangnail.”

We are beginning to see the pathetic insanity of La Pierre and the tinfoil-hat Rambo Wannabees he incites. I even saw one paranoiac claim that big corporate “gun control” money was behind the firemen being shot. Yeah, right – there sure is big corporate money behind gun control. And this nut can buy guns every day of the week. If you’re not scared by now you should be.

Dec 24, 2012 1:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Gigimoderate wrote:

Rooster….thanks, I needed that laugh as I head out this Christmas Eve! Happy Healthy!

Dec 24, 2012 1:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mark6508 wrote:

Every 3 hrs a person dies from fire. We need to stop this sensless killing. Fire needs to be either banned or its use restricted. The average person has no need to use fire.

Dec 24, 2012 1:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Yankee1776 wrote:

The issue is not the guns. The issue is that our society is breaking down as a result of the breakdown of the family, prevalence of gangs, and the illegal drug trade.

Let’s focus our attention on the real problems in this country and everything else will fall in line.

Dec 24, 2012 2:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
p9179 wrote:

Those firefighters didn’t deserve to die.

Dec 24, 2012 2:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
p9179 wrote:

Those firefighters didn’t deserve to die.

Dec 24, 2012 2:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JoeObserver wrote:

People are increasingly become insane.

Dec 24, 2012 2:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
explorer08 wrote:

The gun loving fools will say people kill, guns don’t kill. Yet, if this nut case in New York had tried to kill without a gun how far would he have gotten? He might have stabbed at one of the firefighters with a knife but that’s about it. It’s the guns, stupid. It’s the guns. Of course, it is too late for gun control. There are over 300,000,000 guns extant in the USA. Too late.

Dec 24, 2012 2:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DrWhoWho wrote:

People (and the Scalia Supreme Court) really need to reread the 2nd Amendment. They’re talking about arming militias, not about every man’s right to own a gun. In the early Republic with the Whiskey Rebellion, Shay’s Rebellion, Indian attacks, the state militias were absolutely crucial in enforcing order. Every man of a certain age was required to own a gun and be ready for call up. Today we have no militias. Instead we have the National Guard, police forces and SWAT teams. There is no need for every man to own a gun. It’s time we had a sane SCOTUS ruling on the issue. This slaughter needs to stop.

Dec 24, 2012 2:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

NRA issues statement: “These firefighters should have armed themselves before going on a fire.”

Dec 24, 2012 3:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
CaptPhil wrote:

Publish the names of the killer and his address so we can provide his family with a very merry christmas.

Dec 24, 2012 3:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
GeorgeBrown wrote:

You Americans are always so worried about foreign terrorists attacking your nation. What you don’t seem to realize is that you are your own terrorists: you’ve created a pervasive level of fear and terror in American society that a group of jihadists could never hope to accomplish.

Dec 24, 2012 3:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Tiu wrote:

It’s probably just some sick, twisted sicko stirring the disturbed American psyche.

Dec 24, 2012 3:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
deerecub1977 wrote:

Blood on the hands of the justice system. Why was he out of prison?

Dec 24, 2012 3:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AdamSmith wrote:

The second amendment says:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

My question to assault weapon owners:

Are you part of the Militia?
And are you well regulated?

If not, then I think the second amendment gives you zero right to own anything.

Dec 24, 2012 4:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bobdee wrote:

“flashrooster”: I don’t want the USA to ever, ever “be in line withthe rest of he (sic) world”. I am a chauvinist and I think the USA is singular in its greatness and in the freedom it affords it citizens through the single most perfect document written by man, the US Constitution. The “rest of the world” that you admire, apparently, should be looking to the US Constitution to get things right.

Dec 24, 2012 4:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Kuji wrote:

“Yankee1776 wrote:
The issue is not the guns. The issue is that our society is breaking down as a result of the breakdown of the family, prevalence of gangs, and the illegal drug trade.

Let’s focus our attention on the real problems in this country and everything else will fall in line.”

I’ve been shot at in this country. I was driving down I-95 in South Carolina and some guy was on the side of the road shooting at cars trying to hit tires. I had a bullet hole on the side of my car near the tire well. I think some people just like to shoot at stuff whether it’s paper targets, clay pigeons, people or cars. I’m sure it was just someone with a gun and who was bored. Not a gang or drug cartel.

If we’re blaming gangs or broken homes, or discussing whether it’s a good idea to have a cop escort every child in America to school as a viable solution (it’s not), then we aren’t having the REAL discussion that maybe people make bad choices when they are empowered with a tactical gun that is capable of keeping SWAT teams at bay. Maybe we need to look more into psyche of what guns do to people. Do people own guns because they want to “protect” their family or becaues it gives them a sense of control? A gun is just a tool – a popular argument for gun rights, but in the hands of a human being it becomes an extension of ourselves, it’s no longer just a tool. And it’s readily availalbe for just about anyone to get their hands on with record speed.

The human race has always been violent – so maybe we should just look in the mirror really long and hard and just realize that violence is just a part of who we are.

If we want to stop these types of tragedies, we’re going to have to make some big changes and measured enforcement that can show metrics of gun violence going down. Anything less than that metric is a failed arguement. It’s going to take time and dedication, with compromise on both side to come up with a workable solution, and the availability of guns WILL be part of that discussion. It has to be since it’s a variable in this social equation. It has to be or we should just accept that indiscriminant mass gun violence is here to stay.

Dec 24, 2012 4:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bobdee wrote:

Seren37: please provide where the NRA (anyone in leadership) said “every American ha the right to a shoulder-fired missile”. If you can site when and where, I will void my membership.

Dec 24, 2012 4:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

deercub1977 argues: “global media driven u.n. agenda”

Huh? The UN shot some firefighters today? You teabaggers are breathing too many mobile home fumes. Get some fresh air, turn off the AM radio for an hour or two, buy the wife some flowers. You tight old bastards :)

Dec 24, 2012 4:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
blacknblue2 wrote:

The chickens are coming home to roost. We have grown one or two generations of people that were never taught how to handle life.

Kids went into sports, everyone got a trophy, nobody lost.

Kids aren’t taught how to handle bullies on their own, they are told to run to a teacher.

In school things like battle ball were removed from gym class because hey we can’t let anything hurt little Johnny’s cotton covered world.

We have schools with psychologists on staff to psycho-babble the parents.

We have children (mostly boys) who were medicated at an early age using psychotropic meds such as Ritalin.

The majority of children have been raised in broken homes. The mantra was, don’t stay together because the children will see your unhappiness and that isn’t good. Don’t work at it…just run.

Now we are seeing real time results of the social experiment, we are seeing people that are not capable of living among us, living life, living in the real world. We now cray to ban more things. Ban this, ban that make us safe. Nothing is going to make us safe from what the psychologists have brought upon us.

Do some research about the use of Ritalin. The USA has been using most of the worlds supply, look at a graph. Then find a graph that shows the off the cuff shootings. You will notice that the lines are very similar. For 40 years we’ve had a war on marijuana but meanwhile the pharmaceutical industry have been using the children as test subjects. Where is the war against Ritalin?

Dec 24, 2012 4:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
blacknblue2 wrote:

Oops I forgot where I was posting. I made reference to pharmaceutical companies which I am sure will be banned from posting.

Dec 24, 2012 4:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Well bob, how are you guys going to take on a ‘tyrannical government’ without some heavier weapons. You weren’t planning on using your handguns against the government F-16′s, were you? Were you?

Fact is, the NRA has taken the position that gun ownership is not just about hunting or home defense. It’s about individuals protecting themselves from a ‘tyrannical government.’ So how does that happen without real firepower? Either the NRA is mis-reading the 2nd Amendment, or it is feeding its members crumbs while the government eats cake.

Dec 24, 2012 5:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BurnerJack wrote:

@TheBushYears: Youy astound me! With the large number of legal, sane and law abiding gun owners out there, by mathematical definition, people like this are actually pretty rare. Yet you would group millions together do to ther actions of a VERY few. Sounds like extreme prejudice to me.
To all those that would advocate gun eradication, I ask you this: In a world and society that bans illegal drugs, have yet to eradicate them from the street, more importantly, can’t even eradicate drug use from prisons where daily life is under as tight a control as government can muster. Is gun eradication really a viable goal? Really?
Fact is, this is a baseless, kneejerk response to the urge to “Do something!” It would be great if it was achievable, but I doubt that it really is. More achievable is perhaps a smokeless powder that expires after a reasonable timeframe with microdots imbedded in it so the ammo used in the commission of a crime is easily identifiable and tracable. While these measures won’t end the problem, over time they could have a real effect. But in the end, you really can’t control people. You need to rely on the vast majority to be sane and responsible. Newington could have easily been a speeding car at the end of the schoolday at a suicidal, maniacal rate of speed. I understand what the ‘gun controllers’ say, and thos on the other side as well, I just say that whatever action is decided, let’s not go off on the unattainable. Let’s be real.

Dec 24, 2012 5:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

Too many crazy people and to many guns, bad combo.

Seriously past time to amend 2nd amendment and to provide quality mental health care.

Dec 24, 2012 5:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JoeBarton wrote:

Police officers and Firefighters should have had protection of armed security guards. This could have been avoided.

Dec 24, 2012 5:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
fuzzywzhe wrote:

It was already illegal for the murderer to own a gun.

DIDN’T STOP HIM DID IT?

No amount of gun control laws will prevent criminals from owning weapons if they want to. They are CRIMINALS. They don’t follow the laws. Gun control only disarms people who do.

Dec 24, 2012 5:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Adam.Smith wrote:

I suppose Lapierre will be telling us we need police escorts for the police.

Dec 24, 2012 5:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ejhickey wrote:

i think it is disgraceful that both sides of the gun debate are trying to leverage the deaths of two dedicated public servants for their own political ends. perhaps reuters should suspend public comments

Dec 24, 2012 5:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Adam.Smith wrote:

Metalhead says:

“Regardless, this is really sad and im glad that the firefighter is ok.”

OK? he’s dead, along with another firefighter and two policemen.

Dec 24, 2012 5:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
lucky12345 wrote:

Ask yourself this, why did we let him out of jail, he killed his own grandmother with a hammer…

Dec 24, 2012 6:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
joejohnson043 wrote:

death penalty for murder, these people would be alive today, and many more victims of murderers set loose. Why are so called ‘progressives’ against capital punishment for murder & rape? Because what they really want is a destabilized and destroyed nation, and that is what they are getting…..

Dec 24, 2012 6:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bobber1956 wrote:

All the people with guns over there…all the people without guns over there. If I have to explain from this point on you would not get it anyway.

Dec 24, 2012 6:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
joejohnson043 wrote:

The Agenda has been well published for many years. It is no excuse to claim ignorance. The Communists have been successful and systematic in their attacks from within, now they are ready to disarm us. They will use the Useful Idiots to persuade us using emotional pleas, Hollywood, bullying, threats of violence etc. Stop watching sports long enough to connect the dots, notice what they are really pushing, and follow the power (not just the money).

Dec 24, 2012 6:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
joejohnson043 wrote:

The Agenda has been well published for many years. It is no excuse to claim ignorance. The Communists have been successful and systematic in their attacks from within, now they are ready to disarm us. They will use the Useful Idiots to persuade us using emotional pleas, Hollywood, bullying, threats of violence etc. Stop watching sports long enough to connect the dots, notice what they are really pushing, and follow the power (not just the money).

Dec 24, 2012 6:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
whtnationaist wrote:

As to assault weapons…. they are already banned. The liberal media is way behind the times. Assault weapons are banned because only government and a few collectors are allowed automatic weapons. All assault weapons are capable of automatic fire. Some people like to call the castrated copies we are allowed “assault weapons”. It just shows how little they know about guns.

Dec 24, 2012 6:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
whtnationaist wrote:

The shooter was a convicted felon, he was already under a gun ban. If police couldn’t keep him from guns how do they expect to enforce more gun bans? Do they really think they can confiscate all of our guns? I just hope police quit before being ordered to do that. Otherwise they likely will not survive.

Dec 24, 2012 6:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
fred5407 wrote:

And just think. Going on 50 years since we made it legal to kill babies, and then we closed the mental hospitals and told the patients and doctors to have them look outside of themselves rather than inside of themselves for the answers. Bandaids won’t work to stop the blood flowing from an artery. Political spin and lies will never replace honest leadership. Bribes and contibutions will never allow our representatives to vote their hearts rather than their job or pocketbook. I think we have too big a fire to put out now that it has gotten going. Sorry about that.

Dec 24, 2012 6:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
whtnationaist wrote:

“NRA issues statement: “These firefighters should have armed themselves before going on a fire.”” Silly… the police already accompany firetrucks. Quite slandering NRA. It was a typical criminal who got his guns the same way addicts get their drugs.. on the street. He already had a gun ban on him. More gun bans are not going to stop criminals like this.

Dec 24, 2012 6:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
joejohnson043 wrote:

execute murderers and rapist! Problem solved very quickly…

Dec 24, 2012 6:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
joejohnson043 wrote:

execute murderers and rapist! Problem solved very quickly…

Dec 24, 2012 6:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mike794 wrote:

as a fellow fire fighter my thoughts an prayers to the family. Forget gun laws for one minute and realize this man does not belong in society. he murder his grandmother with a hammer. Despicable!

Dec 24, 2012 6:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
whtnationaist wrote:

These killings were by criminals already banned from having guns. Adding more gun bans won’t work any better. Look at Mexico, the opposite happened. With strict gun bans you get more deadly guns, automatic weapons, REAL assault weapons. Do liberals want our country to look like Mexico?

Dec 24, 2012 6:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
beech wrote:

Why would Spangler ever be released from prison. He should have been incarcerated.

Dec 24, 2012 6:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

bobdee: You are exposing the kind of thinking we are seeing far too often on the right where all the world is either right or wrong, black or white. It’s not. I’m not suggesting we let other countries dictate policy to us. But to suggest that America can’t learn anything from any other country, that somehow we’re smarter about everything than all other nationalities is the height of arrogance and the thinking of a fool.

It’s a good idea to see what is and isn’t working around the world, because we most assuredly are not smarter than everyone else. Furthermore, on this gun issue it’s not a case where Americans are all on the same page, unanimous in our opinions on our gun policies and in our disagreement with the rest of the world. The US has more gun related violence than any other developed nation. The right keeps insisting that it has little to do with the availability of guns and, in fact, believe that the answer lies in getting more, not less, guns in the hands of citizens.

On this issue a majority of Americans believe we need additional regulations, but because of the gun lobby the majority is not getting their way. You talk about the superiority of our system, yet you are getting your way through the abuse of our system rather than the way our system was intended to work. The NRA targets any politician that talks about supporting gun regulations. Our politicians are afraid of the NRA. That’s not how our Founding Fathers intended for our governing system to work.

So rational, frustrated Americans like myself will say, among other things, look at what other countries are doing, countries that are avoiding the gun violence that we have and let’s adopt some of the more effective ideas, because what we’re doing isn’t working. The US is not smarter than the rest of the world about gun ownership. Doing nothing is unacceptable, and only a minority of Americans believe that the answer lies in getting more guns in the hands of more people. There is no legitimate study that supports that idea. Guns are dangerous and man is an irrational creature. It’s a volatile mix. Using a gun requires continuous training. That’s why cops are required to get ongoing training. The reality is that most people are unwilling to commit to such a training regimen. Cops understand how difficult it is to use a gun properly under duress, which is why most police officers oppose allowing more people to carry concealed weapons.

I don’t support a ban on owning guns, but I strongly agree that we need to take a new look at our gun laws and find a way to help reduce the number of incidents involving guns, and like most Americans I’m sick of the right dictating a policy to the majority of us, a policy that simply does not work. Let us not be afraid of increasing gun regulations if studies demonstrate that they can have a postive effect. And for god’s sake let us stop kowtowing to the gun lobby. That’s ridiculous. They make profits while we get shot up. They do not own our government. We are living under a policy dictated to the rightwing masses with the objective of increasing profits for the gun industry. That’s not a sound basis for determining what our gun laws should be.

Dec 24, 2012 6:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

Okay, if gun regulations aren’t the answer, what is? And please, don’t say more guns unless you can back it up with research.

Dec 24, 2012 6:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
reefers wrote:

“i have an easy reason” he did this. b/c he wasn’t executed immediately after his trial for beating his 92 yr old grandma to death with a hammer in 1981

Dec 24, 2012 6:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlaskanDude wrote:

its really too bad so many of you have such a misconception of the NRA and the 2nd Amendment. The NRA is not a crazed gun cult, it is an organization that enjoys owning and shooting guns. We’re any of these nuts NRA members? As for their stance on guns laws. We have thousands of them and criminals by nature don’t care if they are breaking one when they kill people. To ban certain guns won’t change the madness. He killed his grandma with a hammer. Is there an outcry to ban hammers except for licensed carpenters and only when on duty? Lastly, regarding the 2nd Amendment. It IS our constitution and should never be removed by legislation, less the 1st Amendment be next. Or Forefathers realized times would change and the Constitution needed to by dynamic. To that end they provided a way to change it as needed. The Second Amendment CAN be altered or dropped. All it takes is 3/4′s of the state legislatures to vote to do so. Go the legal American proper route if you want it changed.

Dec 24, 2012 7:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlaskanDude wrote:

its really too bad so many of you have such a misconception of the NRA and the 2nd Amendment. The NRA is not a crazed gun cult, it is an organization that enjoys owning and shooting guns. We’re any of these nuts NRA members? As for their stance on guns laws. We have thousands of them and criminals by nature don’t care if they are breaking one when they kill people. To ban certain guns won’t change the madness. He killed his grandma with a hammer. Is there an outcry to ban hammers except for licensed carpenters and only when on duty? Lastly, regarding the 2nd Amendment. It IS our constitution and should never be removed by legislation, less the 1st Amendment be next. Or Forefathers realized times would change and the Constitution needed to by dynamic. To that end they provided a way to change it as needed. The Second Amendment CAN be altered or dropped. All it takes is 3/4′s of the state legislatures to vote to do so. Go the legal American proper route if you want it changed.

Dec 24, 2012 7:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlaskanDude wrote:

its really too bad so many of you have such a misconception of the NRA and the 2nd Amendment. The NRA is not a crazed gun cult, it is an organization that enjoys owning and shooting guns. We’re any of these nuts NRA members? As for their stance on guns laws. We have thousands of them and criminals by nature don’t care if they are breaking one when they kill people. To ban certain guns won’t change the madness. He killed his grandma with a hammer. Is there an outcry to ban hammers except for licensed carpenters and only when on duty? Lastly, regarding the 2nd Amendment. It IS our constitution and should never be removed by legislation, less the 1st Amendment be next. Or Forefathers realized times would change and the Constitution needed to by dynamic. To that end they provided a way to change it as needed. The Second Amendment CAN be altered or dropped. All it takes is 3/4′s of the state legislatures to vote to do so. Go the legal American proper route if you want it changed.

Dec 24, 2012 7:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
VonHell wrote:

recent events that are hard to believe… if i witnessed such event i would not believe…
Someone shooting kids in a school;
Someone shooting the fire brigade when they come to the rescue;
Some medical staff subjected to a phone prank about a patient at the hospital;
A group of men gangraping a woman in a bus…

Dec 24, 2012 7:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bobber1956 wrote:

fred5407
Not sure what to say but wow, you are right. Thanks for the center!

“And just think. Going on 50 years since we made it legal to kill babies, and then we closed the mental hospitals and told the patients and doctors to have them look outside of themselves rather than inside of themselves for the answers. Bandaids won’t work to stop the blood flowing from an artery. Political spin and lies will never replace honest leadership. Bribes and contibutions will never allow our representatives to vote their hearts rather than their job or pocketbook. I think we have too big a fire to put out now that it has gotten going. Sorry about that.”

Dec 24, 2012 7:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

AlaskanDude: Seriously,”it is an organization that enjoys owning and shooting guns.” Do you take us for a bunch of fools? It’s a gun lobby. Their primary job is to protect and advocate the interests of the gun industry. They may own and shoot guns, and enjoy it, but please don’t tell my you honestly believe that’s their primary reason for existance. As always in America, it’s about the money. Why do you think their answer to everything is more guns? Of course it’s more guns because the more guns we own, the more their profits rise.

Dec 24, 2012 8:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ejhickey wrote:

if the shooter had been executed or given life in prison , the firefighters would not have been shot. the shooter sounds like he was a evil person who was beyond redemption and should have been kept out of society.

Dec 24, 2012 9:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Fairness101 wrote:

The problem is indeed not the gun itself, which is just material, but it is the hundreds of thousands of Americans owning them who might have a weak spot of controlling them. If you just combine the statistics, for example, of families with domestic violence and the amounts of guns owned, then you can conclude there are numerous gun owners who hit their wives and children on a frequent basis. Not a pleasant thought. Add to that everyone with some minor or major mental disorder, you got probably another tens of thousands of people owning guns who may not be in control of their mind 24 hours day, 365 days a year. So, that’s what needs to be done: take away the guns from anyone who might possible abuse them. On the other hand…America is a country of gunners…guns are cool; if something moves you shoot it, period. People loosing their lives here and there is part of the game and part of American culture. Already thousands of soldiers have lost their lives in totally useless wars.

Dec 24, 2012 9:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
HueTet68 wrote:

Amazingly all the disparate gun incidents are reported immediately linking all as a whole. HOWEVER, the 40 (so far this year) incidents of whites being assaulted by black “flash mobs” are neither reported on nor linked to show a pattern of evolution. Just not important I guess. Perhaps that’s why non-victims carry?

Dec 25, 2012 6:13am EST  --  Report as abuse
RickDouglas wrote:

OK, everybody, it’s time to turn in your hammers to the nearest courthouse.

Dec 25, 2012 6:40am EST  --  Report as abuse
asellers98 wrote:

Definitely need to look at banning vehicles, they are definitely proven to kill more officers than guns.

Dec 25, 2012 8:37am EST  --  Report as abuse
newpalfan wrote:

This evil man had already executed his grandmother with a hammer and only served 17 years in prison. The nut had already been identified as a threat to society but the prison term did not fit his crime. Life in prison or a death sentence could have prevented the chance of future violent acts.

Dec 25, 2012 10:58am EST  --  Report as abuse
Norwegianbear wrote:

It is really quite simple. This man should have been put down in 1981 after killing his grandmother. End of story. He would never have killed again, but those who support killing the 2nd amendment also seem to be against the death penalty and locking up the insane. It is difficult to comprehend but for them letting the criminal and insane rule seems to be OK. Finally, shame on Reuters for using this unfortunate situation to preach. There is no connection between this incident and the school killings, except for the deranged minds of the perpetrators, but the Reuters agenda is clear to see.

Dec 25, 2012 11:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
LC_CPA46 wrote:

Predicteable, most comments on Reuters consist of left wing, ‘talking points’ decrying the evil ‘gun mentality’ in the U.S. This was a horrible tragedy, perpetrated by a fellon who possed these weapons illegally…Now you think another ‘gun law’ would stop him? I think not. Of course, those commenting IGNORE the MILLIONS of times violent crime is prevented or stopped by someone armed with a weapon, concealed or not!.. I know you will ridicle the source, but anyone with just alittle intellectual honesty will read this article and consider the FACTS disclosed in it… Fact that can be found nowhere in the MSM, that is in the liberal ‘tank’, as always… I hate to confront you with facts, given how you like to ‘feel’ your way through life… http://www.anncoulter.com/

Dec 25, 2012 11:14am EST  --  Report as abuse
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