Lawmakers play waiting game with 'fiscal cliff' deadline in sight

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MassResident wrote:

Balancing the budget is like having someone pour your liquor supply down the sink or put your drug dealer in jail. It is going to hurt over the short run but might save your life over the long term.

Dec 24, 2012 11:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
GaryShawn wrote:

Seems if our “leaders” and elected officials can’t reach a mutual understanding of what needs to be spent and where, maybe they should not be our leaders. hard to believe they draw paychecks for not doing there jobs.

Dec 24, 2012 11:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

McConnell and Boehner are simply trying to pass the blame because they aren’t capable of doing THEIR job. While Presidents can offer legislation for Congress’s consideration..Congress ALONE is responsible (per our Constitution) for writing and passing the laws governing taxes, spending and an accounting for those activities. The President’s ultimate responsibility is to either sign or veto the laws that Congress sends him. I would like to see ON TV an open debate between ALL members of Congress (House and Senate) on resolving this issue. That way America could see first hand who is obstructing the process and who is trying to find a REASONABLE solution.

Dec 25, 2012 9:38am EST  --  Report as abuse
pepineagles wrote:

Legislature Quiz: What is the difference between the legislature taking recess and the legislature in session?
The answer is:
A: Nothing
B: The legislature returns to Earth (home state) from Planet Washington
(aka LaLa Land). No space suit required.
C: Both A and B

Dec 25, 2012 10:33am EST  --  Report as abuse
pepineagles wrote:

“The withholding tables are sort of like an aircraft carrier, you can’t turn the thing on a dime.”

Unlike an aircraft carrier, Congress has a bunch of captains and no rudder. They can’t agree on a direction if they could steer the ship.

Dec 25, 2012 10:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

pepineagles..I see an option D in your quiz….D: D.C. area bars see a dramatic drop in revenue.

Dec 25, 2012 11:49am EST  --  Report as abuse
Hempy wrote:

Since Congress managed to put itself in this bind, they ought to look at what our founders intended. Alexander Hamilton advocated a proportional rate tax on the movement of money every time it moved. In Federalist Paper 12 he wrote:
“ The ability of a country to pay taxes must always be proportioned, in a great degree, to the quantity of money in circulation, and to the celerity with which it circulates. Commerce, contributing to both these objects, must of necessity render the payment of taxes easier, and facilitate the requisite supplies to the treasury.”
Hamilton intended that Congress levy and collect enough revenue to provide for the common defense and general welfare. Yet that’s exactly what Congress doesn’t want to do.
Hamilton also wrote:
“ Money is, with propriety, considered as the vital principle of the body politic; as that which sustains its life and motion, and enables it to perform its most essential functions. A complete power, therefore, to procure a regular and adequate supply of it, as far as the resources of the community will permit, may be regarded as an indispensable ingredient in every constitution….” (Federalist Paper 30)
Congress is to collect enough revenue to supply the public wants. The public indicated their wants in the past election. The public doesn’t want Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid to be cut.
Republicans have decided to ignore the public’s wants as evidenced by Sen. McConnell’s (R-KY) remarks.

Dec 25, 2012 12:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Cogs wrote:

I hate that prick.

Dec 25, 2012 12:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mitchie124 wrote:

It’s time to stop this stupid game and talk about issuing U.S. currency once again. The “federal” reserve is nothing more than a corrupt, parasitical cartel. Wise up people. Obama’s just doing a tap dance, because he’s just a populist creation and puppet working on the “fed’s” behalf.

Dec 25, 2012 1:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
FredH1 wrote:

Obama wants the cliff to happen for two reasons:
to blame the republicans and to get automatic tax increases on everyone and then to play Santa Claus and lower the rates for most of us.
That way he kills two birds with one shut and does not have to negotiate anything,

Dec 25, 2012 1:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Commie Boy wants the US to head into TAXAGGEDON, So Socialist Boy can pretend he fixed the problems and save the whole middle class, when it reality he is destroying it.

Dec 25, 2012 1:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
CmdrBuzz wrote:

Obama is a waste of taxpayer money. Time to start petitioning for his impeachment.

Dec 25, 2012 1:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse

President Commie Boy WANTS the U.S. to go into Taxaggedon.

Dec 25, 2012 1:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
microbob wrote:

As he talks into his golf club… “Give me more taxes so I can buy more votes for the democratic party” I think he will get what he wants if he does NOTHING. Taxes will go up and he will have more of OUR money to give to those who don’t work.

Dec 25, 2012 1:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
1peevedbob wrote:

Interesting how everyone in the Lame Stream Media is talking about the pending doom of the fiscal cliff, and the picture that lead this article has Obama holding a golf club…
I seem to remember just the other day when he was asked a pointed question about the Newtown incident he said he was busy being POTUS, and not on vacation. Sure looks like he is on vacation now, doesn’t it?

Dec 25, 2012 1:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse

FORWARD, off the cliff you go.

Dec 25, 2012 1:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
scottedgell wrote:

GrayGranthamAz1

If Obama would realize that the out of control spending he is doing is drastically hurting this country, then the parties could work together. Large Government does not drive a successful economy. Private business does. Whatever Boehner would submit to the liberal leadership would me vetoed by Obama per what he has said. Out of control spending does not help this country. That spending is what the left believes in and whats to implement is a major crisis in this country. Large Government does absolutely nothing but make the US get in even more debt.

Dec 25, 2012 1:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Most people who spend as much time on the links as Ubama tend to develop something knows as a “golf swing.”

Guess the rumors that his “golf outings” are just cover for gay sex in the bushes on the back nine have some truth to them.

Dec 25, 2012 1:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
magfeeley wrote:

While the rest suffer, he is out playing golf. Gee I seem to remember Bush getting a whole lot of heat for playing the game. Oh that’s right the media works for Obama. 95% of the media, reporters etc are nothing but prostitutes. What a shame that our free press has turned into a pollitt bureau.

Dec 25, 2012 1:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ACRScout wrote:

When we go over the cliff, the first bit of government spending that should be cut is total elimination of salaries for Congress, the President and all of their staffs, said cuts to remain in effect until the fiscal debacle is corrected.

Dec 25, 2012 1:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mmilesll wrote:

Wasn’t the community organizer the one who said time and time again that “I won’t rest until everybody that wants a job has one”. No wonder he is so tired and needs for us to spend $4million on his Hawaii vacation. I’m sure he is constantly thinking about all the poor and starving Americans he has put out of work while he is golfing. What a total pos

Dec 25, 2012 1:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
kestrel27 wrote:

You idiot Liberals re-elected Obama, now live with the consequences. You own it!

Dec 25, 2012 1:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ACRScout wrote:

I am somewhat intrigued as to why people on threads like these want to blame “Boehner”, or “McConnell”, “Reid”, “Pelosi”, “Congress” or “Obama”, the are all guilty in this, so why point the finger at just one??? Each and every one of them is at fault.

Dec 25, 2012 1:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Blackstone3 wrote:

The best thing for our country is no deal. Let taxes rise. They should anyhow, after all, we need to balance the budget far more than buying more plasma TVs from Korea. Spending should be cut. Now. The Republicans will then have a chance of winning again. After all, so long as the Dems keep buying elections they will win. Obama showed them how. No matter how poorly the economy is going or how poorly a President performs, simply give more away and you will win. Simple as that. So, don’t raise the debt ceiling and let taxes rise. Live within our means and our children will be better off.

Dec 25, 2012 1:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Gabbo1234 wrote:

I’ve broken wind that resonated more deeply than 95% of what King Barry Soetoro has to say. Who programs his teleprompter, anyway – Whoopie Goldberg ? Michael Moore ? George Soros ? Fools, one and all.

Dec 25, 2012 1:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Galut11 wrote:

scrooge in chief….bah humbug

Dec 25, 2012 1:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Jonahswalk wrote:

How much is a trillion anyway? It’s Lebron James making 40 million a year for the next…uh…2000..uh 5000..uh..oh yeah, FOR THE NEXT 25000 YEARS. Now you know why we don’t have a budget…we are so far over the cliff we think fresh air in a free fall… must be the winds of change. The “fix” was in years ago when our elected leaders realized we could NEVER repay the debt or stop the government from spending our way out of debt. I’m going for a walk…

Dec 25, 2012 2:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gsn78613 wrote:

Why does the President hate us that he won’t work on a compromise?

Dec 25, 2012 2:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
whatnot wrote:

The election is over. Mr. VETObama won and, with the Great-Barrier Reid, blocks or threatens to block everything except the ObamAgenda. Mr. Obama’s 3:00 a.m. fiscal call has been put on hold, in favor of a snooze button.

Dec 25, 2012 2:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
whatnot wrote:

Gee, if Congress is the problem, then why aren’t Mr. Boehner and Mr. Reid the ones in conference with each other? And why does Mr. Obama toss out a veto-threat at any chance to compromise?

Dec 25, 2012 2:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Distillerman wrote:

Once again, the clown president is “focused like a laser beam.” The man is a fool and truly making a mockery of the position. He cares ZERO for this country.

Dec 25, 2012 2:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
GringoBandit wrote:

Let Obama stay at the golf course…He can damage the country less from there!

Dec 25, 2012 3:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
sirandrew wrote:

Nero played the fiddle when Rome was destroyed.
Our Nero plays golf while the country is being destroyed .

Dec 25, 2012 3:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
sirandrew wrote:

Nero played the fiddle while Rome was being destroyed .
Our glorious “Nero” plays golf while our country is being destroyed

Dec 25, 2012 3:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
vejer wrote:

gray grantham,,you may have a valid point,,,perhaps the states should run their own affairs.i have suspected this for years now,,piss on the irs,,let floridians and others tend to thier own well being,,,oh well it was good while it lasted

Dec 25, 2012 3:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JFKdemocrat wrote:

@xyz2055 First off your a typical Lying Liberal claiming to be an independent. OBAMA is the President and SUPPOSED TO LEAD, something he has not done EVER IN HIS LIFE. Reagan, Clinton were both “LEADERS” as Presidents with opposing Congress-es and yet got the budget done. In typical Dumocrat fashion you BLAME Congress entirely. Obama was President for 2 years with a DEMOCRAT Congress and FAILED TO PASS A SINGLE BUDGET….explain that oh Constitutional on? I see when things are crap it’s Bushes (GOP President) and when it’s still crap it’s the (GOP)Congress’s fault, even though the SENATE is run by DEMOCRATS and in FOUR YEARS REID has not VOTED ON A SINGLE BUDGET, not his, not Obama’s and not the budget PASSED BY THE GOP House earlier this year because OBAMA refused to let Reid (another do nothing blame gamer) vote on it. Nice try you Liberal in Independent clothing.

Dec 25, 2012 3:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JFKdemocrat wrote:

@xyz2055 the lying so called Independent Liberal Obama lover. REID runs the SENATE not Mitch. REID HAS NOT voted on a budget in FOUR YEARS….take your childish pathetic nothing but BLAME GAME home with your play-doh.

Dec 25, 2012 3:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JFKdemocrat wrote:

4 YEARS of OBAMA REID AND PELOSI and ZERO BUDGETS APPROVED. 2 Years of BOEHNER and two budgets passed and REID HAS REFUSED TO VOTE on them in the Senate….morons still blaming everyone but the Demoncrats who are the Party of hate and blame.

Dec 25, 2012 3:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RetiredVet101 wrote:

Impeach him…

Dec 25, 2012 3:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JeffRambo wrote:

Hey xyz2055 the election is over. What exactly has Reid done to demonstrate leadership? We all know the leadership won’t come from Hawaii. And, yes, Obama has a responsibility and role here. He needs to show some leadership, and submit a proposal that isn’t DOA like every budget he submits. That requires a certain level of seriousness on governance, and a conscious effort to stop politicking and start governing.

Dec 25, 2012 3:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
nanky wrote:

Bottom line, Congress can present plan after plan, but if it is not the “President’s Plan”, it won’t pass the Senate and certainly will not pass the signature pen of the president other than a veto. Why can’t Americans see that. Senate hasn’t presented a written budget for confirmation in 4 years. Congress passed a ‘balanced budget” bill last year and it died in the Senate because the President said he would veto it. It is the bloody President that is not negotiating in good faith. It is His way or the Hiway. Might as well go over the fiscal cliff and let all the government workers get a taste of what has been going on in the private sector. Nice of the Prez to give government workers day before Christmas off with full pay. Just another taxpayer gift. How many of you in the private sector got the same benefit?

Dec 25, 2012 4:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Barry has already stated, unequivocally, that he’s going to bypass Congress to fulfill his Socialist agenda. The guy is a traitor, an anti-American POS.

Dec 25, 2012 4:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Barry has already stated, unequivocally, that he’s going to bypass Congress to fulfill his Socialist agenda. The guy is a traitor, an anti-American POS.

Dec 25, 2012 4:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
LesLegato wrote:

Thank you Obama voters, you re-elected a jerk who has never run a business and whose personal goal is destroying America as payback for his bigamist alcoholic marxist father.

Dec 25, 2012 4:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
slobberdog wrote:

It is good that FearLess Leader enjoy a vacation we cannot afford.
We deserve it.

Dec 25, 2012 4:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
NowYouKnow wrote:

Of course he swings the golf club left handed — he’s a lefty in every respect.

Dec 25, 2012 4:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
dickn52 wrote:

The only thing I took away from this was that “Obama is a lefty”. Of course we knew his politics leaned a little left of center, but his gold clubs are left handed as well. Maybe that explains something?

Dec 25, 2012 5:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
KarlQuick wrote:

Obama is the most uncaring, deceitful, spiteful, egotistical, self-serving President I’ve ever read about in my 65 years on this earth. …he reminds me of Nero, fiddling while Rome burned. I wonder, did Nero actually benefit from Rome burning the way Obama plans to benefit politically from this disaster?
Now don’t get me wrong:
He WILL give us the equivalent of Bush Tax Cuts, but only after we beg for it, blame the Republicans for losing it, and quit calling for him to live within a budget! He will then institute the Obama Tax Cuts that will do even MORE damage to our economy in the long run than the Bush Tax Cuts did, but we won’t care because we have been conditioned to think babies should be aborted anyway!

Dec 25, 2012 5:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Probably the RINO excuses for Republicans will cave at the last minute and agree to let Obama jack up the debt limit and the government-spending level, even though tax increases would not come close to justifying the government’s present spending-level. Painful though it would be, I’d much rather see the government send the country over the fiscal cliff now.

Dec 25, 2012 5:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
dbznd wrote:

Let’s see: vote now to raise taxes or, go off the “Cliff” and vote to cut taxes in a week or so. Typical Politician – a$$holes! Nothing they do effects their own lives &/or finances; they just worry about the next election. Interesting how no one wants to talk about ENTITLEMENT REDUCTION!!!

When are we, the US Voters, going to demand that our elected officials do not receive pensions, other than Social Security like the rest of us, nor are unaffected by any law that they pass???

Dec 25, 2012 5:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Tymetoplay wrote:

God forgive me for saying this, but I sure hope strongly that the obama’s have a terrible vacation. They dont deserve to have fun when they’re destroying this country.

Dec 25, 2012 6:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
UnderGod wrote:

Nero had a fiddle. obama has a golf club… Same foolishness, different “leader”.

Dec 25, 2012 6:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
skyraider wrote:

Our corrupt and useless congress can simply delay the fiscal cliff and they will. If you are expecting responsible or ethical behavior, get over it.

Dec 25, 2012 6:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
StevePVB wrote:

The funny part will be those Obama voters that actually work (I know, that is a small number) having to pay some taxes. I guess paying anything is not your fair share.

Dec 25, 2012 6:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rconaway wrote:

Glad to see Obama is getting his golf game in instead of spending time with his family or kids. If I was President of the United States with a family, any free time I have, would be spent with them. That tells you that’s it’s all about him and his ego, not the anyone else. So if he doesn’t care about his family, why do any of you who voted for him think he cares about you?

Dec 25, 2012 7:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
fxnusa wrote:

Maybe if Obama was in DC instead of taking a several week vacation to Hawaii, there would be some leadership. The only thing he’s led our country in over the last 4 years is spending far more than we take in and taking more vacations that any family ever should. It’s shocking that he spends so much yet does so little and people are fine with giving him a pass to vacation, play golf and do nothing else other than run up the credit card every month.

Dec 25, 2012 7:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ottohedrick2 wrote:

Obama should move to the island and give the keys back to the whitehouse.

Dec 25, 2012 7:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Jhawke wrote:

So, the Democrat-run Senate, led by Harry Reid, has not passed a budget in nearly four years. The Senate has voted 99-0 against both of Obama’s budget proposals over the past three years. Yet, it’s all the fault of Republicans why we are where we are according to the idiot left. I swear to God Democrat liberals are mental cases. They are such pathetic, childish, emotion-driven Kool Aid drinkers; nothing more than minds of children occupying adult bodies. They hide under the covers in their own fantasy world filled with illusions, dusted with pixie-dust, and laced with lies.

Dec 25, 2012 8:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Our beloved president is in Hawaii spending $4 mil and we are going over the cliff. This is all a charade to embarrass the Republicans. The Democrats are spending way too much money to keep their worthless humans fat and happy. They blame it on Bush while the Republicans had little or no control over any of the two houses of Congress. The USA is done. Unless, we get tough on spending, force welfare and food stamp precipitants to go to work. We need to cut taxes at all levels. Inheritance and the rest. People talk about rates but they never discuss deductions. You can have a rate of 80% if there are sufficient deductions to reduce the overall tax. It is time again for the lower income workers to pay also. I am not rich but I understand. WE need to exert what force (legal) that is required to take the country back. After all, we survived the end of the world and are in a new cycle. Why can people not understand we are headed to a status like Greece and others. They do not complain since they benefit. But, benefits do not last forever. What will you do 10-20 years from now?

Dec 25, 2012 8:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Paulii wrote:

The President has never passed a budget, his own party has voted his submitted budgets down each of the last 4 years. The cowards in Congress will not pass a budget as they don’t want to be “blamed” – via Harry the clown and Pelosi the criminal. The House, since Republicans took over, passed a budget each year. Prince Harry refused to have the Senate vote on it, because he knew it would pass. Cowards every one of them. Our fake President flies around the nation giving speeches, partying with rockstars, and golfing. He will be rewarded with a lifetime income 500% larger than the average American makes, plus FREE healthcare for life. In the past 7 years I have lost a business, been downsized 4x, spent through my 401k surviving all of this and 2 divorces and have been forced to move 11x, 7 cities, 3 states. I now earn 30% of what I did 8 years ago. Am I pissed? You bet. Every time I see these professional criminals divvying up trillions while lying about literally everything, it brings me closer and closer to…

Dec 25, 2012 8:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Liberals who are posting here remind me of a string of Christmas lights. They all hang around together, half of them don’t work and the other half that do aren’t too bright.

Dec 25, 2012 8:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bichen.01 wrote:

Time to draw a line in the sand. We can’t keep borrowing 40 cents of every dollar that is spent. We can’t keep printing money willy nilly and raising the debt limit as though it meant nothing. The last monthly job numbers can be broken down into 27% new private sector jobs 73% new government jobs (all levels – federal to local). Why are the Republicans so terrible at getting what is a great message across? We need new leadership in the House / Senate. I wish I was there leading the House: we would be moving to a balanced budget immediately, the spend thrift days would be over as of today, tax rates would be lowered which results in higher government revenues in line with the Laffer Curve, and I don’t care how much screaming comes from the left. It’s over and you’re done. And next year I think we can cut down on 50 or so Christmas trees in the White House and $4+ million dollar end-of-year vacations.

Dec 25, 2012 8:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Sounds like we have a crisis on our hands – let’s not let it go to waste.

Dec 25, 2012 10:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mayflye wrote:

The picture says it all. Obama has no intent of giving one inch on his demands! He will gladly go past the deadline, get all the tax increases he wants going along with the tax increases in the Obama care. He will then go the the “Middle” class and give a small “break” and crow about how much he cares.

Dec 25, 2012 10:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
robadude32 wrote:

@MassResident. You have to be joking about the budget. No democrat would even pass the so called president’s budget. They don’t care about being fiscally responsible. The president wants everyone to pay higher taxes. He doesn’t care one iota.

Dec 25, 2012 10:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
robadude32 wrote:

The president couldn’t lead his way out a paper bag.

Dec 25, 2012 10:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
robadude32 wrote:

The president couldn’t lead his way out a paper bag.

Dec 25, 2012 10:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

Paulii…Presidents don’t pass a Budget. The President is required to submit a budget for Congress’s consideration..but Congress alone is responsible for the budget. The president doesn’t even get the opportunity to sign or veto the budget passed by Congress. Helps if you ACTUALLY know what’s in our constitution before you place blame or go on a rant. Don’t believe me. Read page 4 of Paul Ryan’s “Path to Prosperity” version 3.0 2013 available in pdf on line. The section is titled “Statement of Constitutional and Legal Authority”.

JFKdemocrat and JeffRambo look equally as foolish. You guys really need to get an education.

Dec 25, 2012 11:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
dump28usn wrote:

This is like Nero Fiddling while Rome burned! Obama golfs while the country goes off a cliff! What a fu**ing idiot we have “leading” our country! Just another spook in charge of something but having no clue as to how to lead!

Dec 25, 2012 11:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
camurd wrote:

Now this is “real” leadership, Four!

This guy is a clown and has millions of fools that support him.

I find it funny that some would call the Tea Party idiots, when they seem to be the only people that understand that -3+1 isn’t balanced?

Stop the Spending and leave my property alone.

Dec 25, 2012 11:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

JFKredneck and Jeffdumbo…I singled out Boehner and McConnell based on what was in the article. See the quote below. Did either of you bozos ACTUALLY read it (The Article)? Kindly point to the post where I said Reid or anyone else in the Democratic Party was doing a good job.

“House Speaker John Boehner’s referred everyone to McConnell. McConnell’s tweet passed the responsibility along to Obama, saying it was a “moment that calls for presidential leadership.”

The simple fact is that the Tea Party nut jobs in the House will block pretty much everything. Even Boehner can’t get them to compromise. Boehner and McConnell are simply trying to punt THEIR responsibility to Obama for that reason. CONGRESS ALONE is responsible for budgets, legislation on taxation and spending as well as accounting for those activities…page 4 Paul Ryan’s “Path to Prosperity” version3.0 2013 “Statement of Constitutional and Legal Authority”. Or you can take the long way around and read the Constitution…based on your posts..that might be a tad of a challenge for both of you. But Good Luck :)

Dec 25, 2012 11:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

dump28usn..nice post. Makes you look like an ignorant racist.

Dec 25, 2012 11:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse

A RESPONSIBLE President would never go on vacation with our economy rapidly deteriorating. To Obama, everything is a political game–to hell with the well-being of the middle class.

Dec 25, 2012 11:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse

I just read that President Obama is cutting his vacation short so now what will all the Drudge Report posters complain about? God forbid that the guy with one of the toughest jobs in the world gets a few days off every now and then. Oh well, I’m glad President Obama got re-elected. It’s too bad he has to deal with the most stubborn Republican party in American history. I think it will all work out. The tide is turning against the Republicans big time.

Dec 25, 2012 11:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Jeff081 wrote:

I remember four years ago, just before Christmas in 2008, I was driving around Dearborn, MI, on a snowy evening one night going Christmas shopping. On the radio was a talk program where the guy said that Gore Vidal, the writer, supposedly said that Obama is naive when it comes to the military, and he also supposedly said that the U.S. would be under military dictatorship soon. I never heard it before or since then, and I never forgot it. But in the last four years, I’ve wondered if it could possibly happen, and what would trigger such a move.

Dec 25, 2012 11:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MDABE80 wrote:

Obama would know what to do about a “cliff” anyway. We might as well go off and see who raises the flag. We need a bigger long term deal , not some chippy little thing.
I hope this “concerned” President keeps playing golf and stays away. He’s worthless whenhe’s on top of his game. We’re better off without him around to spew lies.

Dec 25, 2012 11:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Oh please get informed and stop letting your elected officials and the media feed you lies.

China only holds 8% of this nation’s national debt.
Japan hold about the same 8%

The nations of Brazil, Russia, Taiwan, Switzerland and the United Kingdom hold trillions more of the national debt. BUT CHINA AND JAPAN ARE ONLY HOLDING 16% OF THAT 11 TRILLION IN DEBT APPROXIMATELY 2.3 TRILLION DOLLARS

About 11 trillion of this nation’s debt is held by dozens of OTHER foreign nations.

But the biggest holder of this nation’s national debt is held by the American taxpayer. About 5 trillion is owed to the Social Security Trust Fund, Medicare, Medicaid and federal pension systems. (THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE 17 TRILLION THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS ALREADY BORROWED FROM THE SOCIAL SECURITY FUND LEAVING “GUARANTEED I.O.U.’S)

China has actually decreased its holdings of U.S. debt over the past
year, dropping from $1.31 trillion in June 2011 to $1.16 trillion in 2012.

So now you can all stop worrying about China. They can be paid off in a year. Be more concerned what plan your “Leaders” are going to come up with to pay Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and retirement pensions.

There are two big items on the table to achieve these increases in revenue. Eliminate the mortgage deduction which raises 90 billion a year and TAX health care benefits provided by employers as INCOME. That raise about 190 billion a year. “I.m retired you say?” Well if part of your retirement package is employer paid for health benefits you are about to get a huge income tax increase. You will not be getting an exemption as being retired/fixed income.

P.S. The TAX ON HEALTH CARE BENEFITS PROVIDED BY EMPLOYERS AS INCOME IS NOW CONGRESS’ FAVORITE IDEA AS THEY NEGOTIATE “A COMPROMISE” BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

THE GOVERNMENT TAKING OVER 401 PLANS (BUYING THEM OUT WITH BONDS PAYING 3%) IS #2 ON THE LIST OF WHERE TO FIND NEW REVENUE. BY THE WAY IF THEY “BUY OUT” THE 401′S (CONFISCATE/NATIONALIZE THE MONEY) 401 HOLDERS WILL STILL BE REQUIRED TO PAY 5% OF EACH PAYCHECK INTO THE NOW GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED 401 PLANS UNTIL THEY RETIRE WITH SOCIAL SECURITY. THERE WILL BE NO OPT OUT OPTION. EVEN IF YOU SWITCH JOBS THE GOVERNMENT WILL NOW CONTROL YOUR 401 PLAN. IF YOU DIE BEFORE RETIREMENT THE GOVERNMENT SIMPLY KEEPS YOUR 401/SS MONEY.

IMAGINE THAT THE TOTAL PRIVATIZATION OF INDIVIDUAL 401 ACCOUNTS MERGED INTO THE FEDERAL SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM. AND YOU THOUGHT OBAMA WAS A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT.

Cut Food stamp entitlements or welfare benefits. Sorry both programs are totally exempt from any deficit reduction plan cuts. THEY ARE COMING AFTER THE MIDDLE CLASS SO GET USED TO THAT FACT. ACTUALLY YOU SHOULD ALREADY BE USED TO THAT FACT. THE MIDDLE CLASS ALWAYS ENDS UP PAYING THE BILL.

So if i were you i would be looking for a very last minute “Compromise” probably signed on New Years Eve about 11:30 PM that extends all the tax cuts but that taxes Health Care Benefits as income. That will give them 1.9 trillion over their 10 year period. Then they will nationalize the largest deposit of capital in this nation the 401 plans. Guess who administer the nationalized 401 plans program? Right Wall Street and the Banks.

STILL WONDERING WHY AN ESTIMATED 3 TO 4 MILLION RETIREES ARE PLANNING TO RETIRE AND PERMANENTLY LEAVE THE UNITED STATES IN 2013? EVER SEE WHAT $300,000 BUYS ONE IN THE ENGLISH SPEAKING Caribbean PARADISE NATION OF BELIZE? OR WHAT ONE CAN BUY IN ITALY, IRELAND (VERY HOT RIGHT NOW DUE TO THE DEPRESSED REAL ESTATE MARKET) HONDORUS, FRANCE, TAIWAN, CANADA ETC.

THERE WAS AN ENTIRE ARTICLE THIS PAST SUNDAY DESCRIBING HOW EUROPEAN AMERICANS HAVE DECIDED TO LIQUIDATE THEIR ASSETS TAKE THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS AND “GO HOME” OR RETIRE TO A FRIENDLIER FOREIGN NATION. 3 T0 4 MILLION ALONE THAT WILL RETIRE IN 2013. CHECK SOME OF THE GLOBAL REAL ESTATE CORPORATION WEBSITES AND THEIR INVITATIONS TO AMERICANS TO RETIRE OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES.

Dec 25, 2012 11:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

Armyspouse1988..since Congress isn’t in Washington either and Presidents can’t write and pass legislation on their own…what exactly would he be doing if his was in Washington right now?

Dec 25, 2012 11:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rusino wrote:

No Man in particular the President of The United States should not allow himself to be photographed with such skinny legs in saddle shoes!

Not to mention he leans a little Communist! even Putin see it!

Dec 26, 2012 12:07am EST  --  Report as abuse
roccotool wrote:

Let’s see if the Far Left Party is willing to help Americans via tax cuts and less spending. They own the responsibility now. We Republicans tried to shake hands across the aisle. Now the Libs own it.

Dec 26, 2012 12:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
AlbertMaslar wrote:

The only way to solve the problem is to involve all in government. My 5-page 84-point plan includes 3% National Sales Tax with no-exemption for purchases by any entity, individual, business, religious, education, charity, or Government. Tax paid to itself automatically reduces budget.

NST allocation; 1% Budget; 1% National Debt; 1% Universal Medicare for all legal residents having valid visa, or Social Security Number, NOT Employee Identification Number meant for business but used by illegals for ID to gain status and benefits.

The graduated 20% maximum income tax table treats all income alike with no exceptions. Stock market transactions would be subject to a 1% transaction tax, limiting negative effects of High Frequency Trading that creates artificial volatility gobbling up investor profits in the blink of an eye while causing havoc in the market.

“The Hill” published $755 Trillion total transactions in 2008. Deducting $312 Trillion in stock transactions and no exemptions creates $13+ Trillion in annual tax revenues: 1/3rd each or $4.43 Trillion for Budget, $4.43 Trillion for Debt reduction; and $4.43 Trillion for Universal Medicare replacing ObamaCare. The $16 Trillion national debt can be eliminated within 5-10 years, as $4.43 Trillion approximates current budgets.

For copy of 5-page 84-point plan, contact albertmaslar2@gmail.com.

Dec 26, 2012 12:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

roccotool….the House has yet to pass a bill to resolve this mess. Boehner pulled the bill he wanted to get a vote on because he didn’t have the votes. The Tea Party nut jobs are the prime source of that catastrophe. Republicans haven’t crossed the aisle or anything else. FIRST you pass a bill. Then if the Senate refuses to bring it up for a vote or the President vetoes it..then maybe you have an argument. Right now you have a dysfunctional Republican party that can’t even compromise with themselves to produce a Bill.

Dec 26, 2012 12:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
boater56 wrote:

I feel sorry for this guy and his family. He will not make it. He will be a little short on the calender of life.

Dec 26, 2012 1:04am EST  --  Report as abuse
gohuskies wrote:

is Harry Reid ever going to do anything? he made a mess out of the debt ceiling & now this. What are the people of Nevada thinking? get a leader who actually leads, now that would be a novel idea.

Dec 26, 2012 1:06am EST  --  Report as abuse
SoWhSooWhat wrote:

To Obama “time to put politics aside” means you give in and support his position. It’s only politics if the other guy is doing it. He forgets that more people voted for a Republican Congressman than voted for him.
Oh, sorry, it is Golf he was referring to. He is putting politics aside to play some golf.

Dec 26, 2012 1:47am EST  --  Report as abuse
MDABE80 wrote:

No it means Obama’s too incompetent to come up with a plan that doesn’t increase spending. He’s a community organizer.who just happens to be elected by some idiots.

Dec 26, 2012 5:16am EST  --  Report as abuse
MDABE80 wrote:

No it means Obama’s too incompetent to come up with a plan that doesn’t increase spending. He’s a community organizer.who just happens to be elected by some idiots.

Dec 26, 2012 5:16am EST  --  Report as abuse
MDABE80 wrote:

No it means Obama’s too incompetent to come up with a plan that doesn’t increase spending. He’s a community organizer.who just happens to be elected by some idiots.

Dec 26, 2012 5:16am EST  --  Report as abuse
CraigPurcell wrote:

.. meanwhile we just lost Egypt.

Dec 26, 2012 5:45am EST  --  Report as abuse
Redeye29464 wrote:

What is considered the most powerful man in the world, the President does truly deserve a vacation. Still, I would bet that 75% of all CEO’s and private business owners would NOT be out and about while the business is being run by idiots.
1. Couldn’t this vacation have been delayed until after it is completed?
2. IF a deal is already done, WHY would you put your public pawns at worry by not at least saying it is done and will be signed on X date?

It is really sick to see this.

Dec 26, 2012 6:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
Redeye29464 wrote:

@AlbertMaslar

The 1% on all stock transactions would kill the Market. Day-traders aside, this flat tax (fee) would penalize people in and out. Moving even funds for diversification in retirement accounts would be penalized. Not everyone is getting double digit returns annually. This plan would punish investors. I would personally open an account off seas if this would happen. Tax evasion, no. Overtax evasion, yes.

Dec 26, 2012 6:57am EST  --  Report as abuse
lloydc1234 wrote:

This debt thing started under Reagan-expanded under Bush 1-expanded in the early years of Clinton-stopped under later years of Clinton-doubled under Bush 2-expanded under Obama. There is plenty of blame to go around.

Dec 26, 2012 7:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
lloydc1234 wrote:

This debt thing started under Reagan-expanded under Bush 1-expanded in the early years of Clinton-stopped under later years of Clinton-doubled under Bush 2-expanded under Obama. There is plenty of blame to go around.

Dec 26, 2012 7:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
lloydc1234 wrote:

This debt thing started under Reagan-expanded under Bush 1-expanded in the early years of Clinton-stopped under later years of Clinton-doubled under Bush 2-expanded under Obama. There is plenty of blame to go around.

Dec 26, 2012 7:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
SSMcDonald wrote:

Leave it to Reuters to highlight this false article with a (old) photo of Obama at a podium as though he’s giving some information. Attention Reuters, Obama is in Hawaii on vacation. He could care less about the problems of the economy or the USA. Please print some truth once in a while instead of your incessant liberal bias.

Dec 26, 2012 7:41am EST  --  Report as abuse
2Confused wrote:

“But McConnell, who is up for re-election in 2014, was shunning the role this year…”

And there in lies the biggest problem with Washington DC. The ONLY thing those in Congress and the Seante are intereted in is their next election instead of doing what must be done to save this nation from the Marxist agenda Obama is working hard to implement. They all knew over a year ago we would be faced with this cliff, yet nothing was done. Why? Because they had campaigns to run and elections to win. Their priorites from the president on down is keeping their job, NOT running the country.

Dec 26, 2012 7:50am EST  --  Report as abuse
2Confused wrote:

“But McConnell, who is up for re-election in 2014, was shunning the role this year…”

And there in lies the biggest problem with Washington DC. The ONLY thing those in Congress and the Seante are intereted in is their next election instead of doing what must be done to save this nation from the Marxist agenda Obama is working hard to implement. They all knew over a year ago we would be faced with this cliff, yet nothing was done. Why? Because they had campaigns to run and elections to win. Their priorites from the president on down is keeping their job, NOT running the country.

Dec 26, 2012 7:50am EST  --  Report as abuse
pogojoe wrote:

I wish someone would shove a golf club up ODUMBAS butt ,,,,,

Dec 26, 2012 8:17am EST  --  Report as abuse
pogojoe wrote:

ODUMBA needs a golf club shoved in his anus ,,,,,,,,,,

Dec 26, 2012 8:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
Max17 wrote:

I’ve only seen one plan that is any good. It has the most fair tax increases and includes some spending cuts. While fear mongers are calling it the ‘fiscal cliff’, it would better be named ‘a decent start’. Debt is now over $51,000 for every living American – that includes you societal mooches that vote for a living. Time to start paying up, or as one idiot recently said ‘eat your peas’.

Dec 26, 2012 8:43am EST  --  Report as abuse
newheart200 wrote:

Our lazy president had to go back to work,Oh too bad .hahaha

Dec 26, 2012 9:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
fraccle wrote:

Equal opportunity president.. He can do no wrong, because nothing is expected of him.

Dec 26, 2012 9:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
MTterb wrote:

Everyone deserves some time off during the Christmas season. I got Christmas Eve and Christmas day off from my job (yes, I know the word “job” may be foriegn to some of you so let me use a different word, employment opportunity). Obama and his crew should be allowed one day to fly from DC to Hawaii (which is nearly the furthest state from DC, all on the tax payer’s dime. Couldn’t he choose Florida or someplace closer?), one day to enjoy himself there, Christmas day (or in liberal talk, holiday), and one day to fly back. There is absolutly no reason he has to take a weeks vacation, I don’t get a week. I was dag gone lucky to get Christmas Eve off and not Friday or some day not consecutive to Christmas day!

Dec 26, 2012 9:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
Minuteman1776 wrote:

This is exactly what Obama wants. That way he can blame the Republicans. In the mean time. It’s time to play Golf.

Dec 26, 2012 10:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

MTterb…I get 7 weeks of paid vacation a year. What do you work in? Retail?

Dec 26, 2012 10:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
Tonylord wrote:

How does GOP gain anything by not making a deal before the fiscal cliff? The taxes go up for the 2% Americans they represent anyway. The defense gets cuts which they want to protect their friends in the defense industry. They will have to agree after the new year to vote for tax cuts for the families making $250 or less retroactively. So what is it that they gain by averting a deal? I don’t think even they know why they are against a deal. It is simple for them, just do no make any deal that Obama will agree. Period. GOP is finished as a viable political party.

Dec 26, 2012 11:50am EST  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

Looks like this thread is full of the type of people that are the problem, like the tea-party nut cases in the House that are holding anything up….’Obama is a Marxist’, ‘Obama is a socialist’, ‘Obama is a communist’, etc., when you think EVERYONE else is the problem, then most likely YOU are the problem. They will not do ANYTHING that is the right thing to do, just because Obama proposed it and ,in their minds, ANYTHING Obama wants to do is ‘socialist’, ‘Marxist or ‘communist’. They were not elected to oppose anything Obama proposes, they were elected to GOVERN and they need to start doing it or they are going to bring the whole GOP down with them. And America needs a viable 2nd party alternative to the Dems, we have always had 2 parties that compromise and the tea-party nut jobs have ruined this, they are out in force on this thread spouting off their hate, why do they hate so much?

Dec 26, 2012 1:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

USAPragmatist…leaders of the Tea Party in Congress..Michelle Bachmann, Rand Paul and Paul Ryan….any more questions?

Dec 26, 2012 2:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JOEDY wrote:

Everyone is complaining about how incompetent either Congress or the president is. All of this incompetence is just a reflection of the incompetence or ignorance that the majority of voters that vote for these idiots have. We are a government of the people and the people have spoken. Once again we have proven that you cannot underestimate the power of stupid people in great numbers.

Dec 26, 2012 2:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gardenstateed wrote:

Why is all coverage related to the impass focused ONLY on tax rates? Spending should be the first issue tackled. Too many times, deals have been struck to increase revenue with the promise of spending cuts later. Still, we have a $16T dollar debt and run budget deficit year after year after year. When money is tight in my household, increased revenue is always discussed AFTER spending is trimmed.

Dec 26, 2012 2:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Erie wrote:

This dog eating coke head from Chicago wants the cliff because it raises everyone’s taxes and guts the military. Two things that give radical America haters orgasms !!If anyone doesn’t believe this, wait until 2013 when Obozo’s 4th recession hits !

Dec 26, 2012 2:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
FTCAIN wrote:

Our fearless leader is doing what he does best, enjoy himself on our dime!

Dec 26, 2012 4:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
batmanRox wrote:

Going over the cliff is better than making a deal with terrorists.

Dec 26, 2012 6:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

“Looks like this thread is full of the type of people that are the problem, like the tea-party nut cases in the House that are holding anything up….’Obama is a Marxist’, ‘Obama is a socialist’, ‘Obama is a communist’, etc., when you think EVERYONE else is the problem, then most likely YOU are the problem. They will not do ANYTHING that is the right thing to do, just because Obama proposed it and ,in their minds, ANYTHING Obama wants to do is ‘socialist’, ‘Marxist or ‘communist’. They were not elected to oppose anything Obama proposes, they were elected to GOVERN and they need to start doing it or they are going to bring the whole GOP down with them. And America needs a viable 2nd party alternative to the Dems, we have always had 2 parties that compromise and the tea-party nut jobs have ruined this, they are out in force on this thread spouting off their hate, why do they hate so much?”

You realize you just said “when you think EVERYONE else is the problem, then most likely YOU are the problem.”, and then went on speaking about how the Tea Party was the problem…

Dec 29, 2012 10:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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