Obama not making new "fiscal cliff" offer to Congress: source

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americanguy wrote:

So President Obama is saying “**** you” to the Republicans?
Great, that is the MAJORITY of Americans voted for him for another 4 years.
America has had enough of Republicans and their treason games.
Stand Fast, Mr. President.

Dec 28, 2012 4:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
moonhill wrote:

And a majority of people elected the Republicans to the House. Stand fast, Republicans. Stalemate.

Dec 28, 2012 4:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

GOP demands to see Hawaiian birth certificate again before making any deal. Will have Donald Trump inspect it for authenticity.

HaHaHa, this is good stuff. GOP is dead.

Dec 28, 2012 4:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
saavedra wrote:

I salute you Barack. That’s why we elected and re-elected you. The Far-right and Wall street has laid waste to the middle class. Corporations are sitting on 3 Trillion in profits. The Middle Class, with its awesome spending power will ignite the economy, if you leave it some disposable income. Thank you.

Dec 28, 2012 4:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Jameson4Lunch wrote:

I think our nation may soon be reminded of the dangers of democracy. I pray we remember why a Republic was founded.

Dec 28, 2012 4:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
EddieK wrote:

At this point Boehner should refuse. The Tea Party ChuckleHeads have already left him with no other hand to play.

Dec 28, 2012 4:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
OG_Lila wrote:

So He makes the same offer he made previously and which was refused.

Is not a primary definition of insanity repeatedly doing the same thing and expecting a different result?

Can a president be removed for having developed mental health issues?

If not, why not?

Dec 28, 2012 4:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mb56 wrote:

“And a majority of people elected the Republicans to the House.”
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Well…. no… it’s an established fact that Democratic House members received more votes in total than did Republican House members… you are confusing the results of GOP Gerrymandering from 2000 thru 2006 with the popular vote…

Dec 28, 2012 4:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Actually Moonhill, a minority of people voted for the GOP majority in the house. That is, more people voted for House democrats than republicans in congressional races overall. However, with the artifacts of re-districting and relative over-representation of rural districts in the house…. the GOP was able to maintain their majority in the house. For now :)

Dec 28, 2012 5:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
smit1610 wrote:

Obama legacy: $20 trillion of debt. Good luck to your kids and grandkids!

Dec 28, 2012 5:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

moonhill: “And a majority of people elected the Republicans to the House. Stand fast, Republicans. Stalemate”

Not true, moonhill. A majority of votes cast for the House of Representatives went to Democrats. Obama won the popular vote in the nationwide contest. A majority of votes went to Democrats in Senate elections. They gained seats. And as I already mentioned, a majority of votes cast in House elections went to Democrats, where they picked up, I believe, 9 seats. And keep in mind that House elections are not national elections. They are regional. So no matter how you spin it, the Republicans have no national mandate. The Democrats have a mandate, history, and common sense on their side. Besides, Obama’s position IS the Republican postion. The tax cuts were meant to expire in 2010, as per the Republican House of Representatives.

Obama is only insisting that the Bush tax cuts be allowed to expire, like originally planned by Republicans, on only 2% of the population. Republicans refuse. The Republicans cut taxes while taking us into 2 different wars. Historically, Presidents raised taxes when taking us to war, in order to pay for those wars. That’s what you call being rational. Being rational is a good thing. We need to be rational now. The bill on the wars is past due. The expiration date on the tax cuts has also passed. The Republicans are just playing dangerous partisan games with the federal budget and US economy. The Republican politicians won’t be hurt. They all have plenty of money and are guaranteed a great salary until the day they die. So they don’t care what happens. It won’t effect them. And since their constituents don’t seem to be smart enough to care, where’s the incentive for the GOP to do the right thing? They don’t care if we get thrown back into a recession. It will only hurt the average American.

There’s no excuse for this. When one party refuses to compromise with the other, democracy dies. Obama and the Democrats are offering a compromise: let the tax cuts expire as planned but only on those who can afford it, 2%. That’s beyond reasonable. The Republicans got their way 2 years ago and then Obama made it clear that the tax cuts would be extended only for 2 more years. He compromised. Now it’s time for the Republicans to act responsibly.

Dec 28, 2012 5:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Sensibility wrote:

And THAT… is the sound of the President’s unstoppable hubris smacking into Republican immovable intransigence.

It is also the sound of failure. Can’t say I’m surprised.

Dec 28, 2012 5:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
saavedra wrote:

To a reasonable foe, he has reasoned; to humane foe he has pleaded; but to Tea Party Tyrants he will give no quarter!

Dec 28, 2012 5:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Spruce wrote:

The Republicans saddled the country with two wars, an economy in the ditch, and trickle down economics for the past 30 years. The middle class has suffered enough. Let the GOP loose the next election.

Dec 28, 2012 5:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Well, the GOP has an offer in front of them to keep the lower and middle class tax cuts in place (covering 98% of the people), and let the 250K/year and above incomes go back up to the taxes they had in the 90′s.

The GOP politicians have been unable to bring themselves to do this, and would rather see ALL taxes go up. If the richest two can’t keep their tax break, then NOBODY gets a tax break. Their choice. If they fail to act by 12/31/12…. all taxes go up.

Dec 28, 2012 5:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Well, the GOP has an offer in front of them to keep the lower and middle class tax cuts in place (covering 98% of the people), and let the 250K/year and above incomes go back up to the taxes they had in the 90′s.

The GOP politicians have been unable to bring themselves to do this, and would rather see ALL taxes go up. If the richest two percent can’t keep their tax break, then NOBODY gets a tax break. Their tantrum, their choice. If they fail to act by 12/31/12…. all taxes go up.

Dec 28, 2012 5:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DrWhoWho wrote:

Moonhill simply shows more of the delusional side of the GOP. When a President wins reelection, when his party gains seats in the Senate and the House, when he wins the popular vote by 5 million votes, what does that tell you? That looks like checkmate to me.

Dec 28, 2012 5:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

GetEducated, these Bush tax cuts for the wealthy have been in place for over 10 years now. If they were so effective at ‘creating jobs’ as opposed to just enriching Cayman Islands bank accounts…. don’t you think these supposed jobs would have been created by now? Face it. The experiment failed. Trickle-down is de-bunked. Time to let these bogus bush tax cuts expire like they were supposed to.

Dec 28, 2012 6:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
r.u.crazy wrote:

I’m fully expecting the Republicans to stand their ground. Only slightly more than half of this country re-elected Obama to a second term but he thinks he has a mandate. He probably does with all those sucking the government teat. Can’t last, won’t last because everyone knows sooner or later you’re going to run out of other people’s money. I see war clouds on the horizon which is why the Dem’s really want everyone’s guns right now. It’s time to get this settled once and for all. Those pulling the wagon are damn tired of all those riding in it.

Dec 28, 2012 7:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

GetEducated: Before you go calling others stupid, you should stand firmly in front of a mirror and take a good, long look. The US has some of the lowest taxes among all developed nations: http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/tax-reform/news/2011/06/10/9751/ten-charts-that-prove-the-united-states-is-a-low-tax-country/

You ask, “Why would Bush had to set these tax breaks?” Well, I don’t know what that question means, but the federal government had a balanced budget and actual surpluses until Bush took us to war while cutting our taxes. I wouldn’t use Bush to make my arguments on how to balance the budget. That doesn’t make sense. Clinton did a much better job and Obama is just trying to get us back there.

What people like yourself fail to understand is that a modern, secure country costs money. We can either have a 3rd world style country, with very low taxes, or we pay more in taxes and continue to be counted among the nations of the developed world. You can’t have it both ways. Most Americans want us to remain advanced, and if they really understood what’s at stake, what our nation would look like if Republicans were allowed to do everything they want, almost all Americans would be opposing the Republican agenda: cut taxes drastically further; do away with Medicare and Medicaid; increase defense spending; cut funding for public schools and go to a voucher system; ban labor unions; allow those running our healthcare system to continue raising their costs while fewer and fewer Americans have access to affordable healthcare; ending the minimum wage; allowing all citizens to carry concealed weapons; seeing the growth of gated communities protected with armed security guards; an explosion of crime, and privately owned prisons (we already rank #1 in number of incarcerated and percentage of our population that’s incarcerated in the world.) There would be a small group of extremely wealthy people making the decisions for everyone else, and those decisions will be based on what is best for the plutocrats who run our country. That’ alreading happening.

The rest of us would prefer a country more like what we used to have when we led the world. It worked a lot better for a majority of the people. I don’t understand why Republicans have decided to hate their fellow Americans, viewing them as the enemy and wanting them to suffer, struggle, and submit to subjugation, but considering the GOP’s attitude toward everyone else in the world, I shouldn’t be surprised.

Dec 28, 2012 7:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

I see no reason why Obama should make another offer. Going over the cliff is a minor problem for Obama and a disaster for Republicans. If Republicans want to avoid their disaster, they need to offer Obama more than he gets by going over the cliff.

They are too egotistical to realise this, and seem to think they can make demands on the President. They are about to learn how irrelevant they have become.

Dec 29, 2012 5:38am EST  --  Report as abuse
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