NY Times loses bid to uncover details on drone strikes

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sdkeller wrote:

How could she quote the Framers of our constitution to say that the people of the USA don’t have the right to know why our government is murdering our citizens? PATHETIC!!! Democracy is truly dead.

Jan 02, 2013 5:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
4ngry4merican wrote:

“”The public has a right to know more about the circumstances in which the government believes it can lawfully kill people, including U.S. citizens, who are far from any battlefield and have never been charged with a crime,” Jameel Jaffer, deputy legal director of the ACLU, said in a statement.”

If you are not only a member of Al-Qaida but a leader who directs its attacks, you are not at all “far from any battlefield”. You plan attacks against the USA, you get what you get.

Jan 02, 2013 6:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse

As always the Americans are leading the world, now many countries are developing drones which surely will kill thousands of innocent people without accountability and justice, if the americans can do it why can’t every other nation, the same with torture and illegal rendition.

Today it is some poor brown farmer, affording the government free license to act like this condones such actions with domestic criminals and common citizens. Eroding your justice system will lead to such actions closer to home in future.

Jan 02, 2013 7:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Smitty77 wrote:

I remember George Bush calling suicide bombers “cowards” but then we go around sending unmanned drones into foreign countries that maybe kill a terrorist but also kill anyone else in the vicinity. What we see with this action is the rest of the world choosing up sides to defend themselves against us! Too bad. There are some wonderful things to see outside of our country.

Jan 02, 2013 9:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mbitsko wrote:

Abraham Lincoln had no problem with killing Americans who were in an open state of war with the United States. I have absolutely no problem with this. When you travel to a foreign country and join an enemy organization that is at war with the U.S. then you are no longer a citizen. You are an enemy combatant.

What are we supposed to do? Issue arrest warrants for terrorists and send the cops to pick them up? Ridiculous. Kill them all.

Jan 02, 2013 9:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mbitsko wrote:

Being “far from any battlefield” stopped being a defense when airplanes were invented. This is not a new concept.

Jan 02, 2013 9:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Truly a dark day for democracy, when politicians start to act like dictators pretending to defending freedom.
What makes the judge think that she was protecting the american people from what a shroud of secrecy? Absolutely shameful!
There was a one hour BBC documentary on drone attacks on Pakistan and Afghanistan and how many truly innocent people were killed and the guilty ones running free. Just imagine China targeting amercican lives abroad claiming they were terorist, it would truly start a world war.

Jan 02, 2013 9:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Hamsholm wrote:

Why would the government have to hide it’s justification? Enemy combatants have to be identified and information that proves their guilt has to be collected. How else would you charge the suspected enemy if our forces captured them? Laws that justify our interdiction have to be observed. Otherwise why have laws?

Jan 02, 2013 10:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
milestocode wrote:

Rest assured, the information will be leaked the first time a Republican administration does the same thing.

Jan 02, 2013 10:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mmilesll wrote:

What happened to the Freedom of Information Act or is this “judge” a clone of nobamas and makes up whatever rule he wants

Jan 02, 2013 11:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
annieoftx wrote:

A democrat administration does not have to be accountable. That only happens when a republican is president, then the media goes into frenzy mode for the duration of said republican’s term. It’s ok for Odumbo to illegally wiretap and kill people with drones, but not ok when GW was doing it.

Jan 02, 2013 11:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
vnfin wrote:

“No flag is large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people in the name of war.”

Jan 03, 2013 12:11am EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

Ah yes, a new era of transparency. Another Obama failed promise.

Jan 03, 2013 2:05am EST  --  Report as abuse
kingdad wrote:

Start shining your old Goose-stepping boots as ‘Zieg Obama’ could soon become the cry of the land.

With Judges like this given Obama virtual protection from any and all public scrutiny, even from honest attempts by a “serious” media Outlet to expose the Administration’s criminal contempt of US and International laws as it assassinates Foreign Nationals, US Citizens and innocent men, women and children caught in the crossfire of these drone attacks as mere expendables/collateral damage.

Soon this arrogant, Narcissist will declare himself Supreme Ruler (like Chavaz, Castro, Il Jun, Mao etc.) As he roasts chestnuts over a burning fire containing the US Constitution and US Code.

Jan 03, 2013 3:27am EST  --  Report as abuse
El-Cid wrote:

Let’s use basic US law enforcement logic. Why would you hide information if you didn’t do anything wrong?

Jan 03, 2013 3:44am EST  --  Report as abuse

“On May 21, 1998, McMahon was nominated by President Bill Clinton to a seat on the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York”

All you need to know.

Jan 03, 2013 4:06am EST  --  Report as abuse
godbluff wrote:

@ sdkeller…You may not understand this, I hope you will try to learn though… Firstly; The corporation which resides in the sovereign nation of washington dc is not “Yours” nor “our” government per-se. You are a citizen or subject to them through acquiescence or default. The Judge in this case ruled correctly by law. The president, is under War Powers Act as were all his predecessors starting at G. Washington. The constitution was officially suspended during the Civil war…

Secondly; We are not, nor have we ever been a democracy. We were told we were a Constitutional Republic. Democracy is worse than an
autocracy. Currently, we are a bastardized version of about 10 political ideologies up to and including Communist/socialist/Fascist/oligarchical/Alien?/democratic…

Lastly, don’t worry about what “they” are doing, you won’t change them. Keep your friends and family close and love all man, and maybe this will all sort itself out…

Jan 03, 2013 6:43am EST  --  Report as abuse
dencal26 wrote:

NY Times has no far left moles inside who can feed them information like they did during Bush?>

Jan 03, 2013 7:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
artvet2 wrote:

Hey folks – anyone who wonders why much of the American public distrusts their own government such that they would fight rather than give up their right to won personal weapons need only read this article.

Jan 03, 2013 7:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
Br-andit wrote:

You people crowned him king now we all have to deal with it.

Jan 03, 2013 8:05am EST  --  Report as abuse
stonehillady wrote:

The Times & the ALCU have a lot of balls to question the man they all supported Barack Obama. All the Congress, which means the American People all agreed to the NDAA Laws & all bought the notion that Al-Qaeda was responsible for 9/11 without any facts, just assumptions as the State Dept. suggested & the NYTimes ran with it. So with this technology of drones & all the excecutive orders the American Congress allowed the President to have, the Judge is right.

Jan 03, 2013 8:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
reuterssucks1 wrote:

Its OK. We just have to trust them.
NOTE:this is ironic sarcasm at its most extreme.

Jan 03, 2013 8:21am EST  --  Report as abuse
reuterssucks1 wrote:

Its OK. We just have to trust them.
NOTE:this is ironic sarcasm at its most extreme.

Jan 03, 2013 8:21am EST  --  Report as abuse
ounceoflogic wrote:

o’bama hasn’t publicly disclosed anything his entire life… why should he start now?

Jan 03, 2013 9:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
LTCB wrote:

If there is no “war on terrorism” then they have NO excuse to hide what they’re doing; extra-judicial murder. IF it’s the “war on terrorism”, they’ve given themselves carte blanche to kill ANYONE whether or not they’re a citizen. During our Revolution we didn’t go about murdering Tories on sight. Oh how the mighty are fallen are fallen. God will judge these murderers and our nation too.

Jan 03, 2013 9:32am EST  --  Report as abuse
GBlert wrote:

“…first contemplated by the Bush administration…”

I see. It’s Bush’s fault. Obama gets to kill people. Holder gets to say it’s legal. But it’s Bush’s fault.

Cow dung. It’s Obama fault. It’s time to get over the meme that “It’s Bush’s Fault.” Bush didn’t do it. Obama did it. Torture was was BAD under Bush, but killing is GOOD under Obama.

Justify that New York Times; it’s Obama fault.

Jan 03, 2013 9:37am EST  --  Report as abuse
EU_Hold_On wrote:

The fact that citizen were killed during the attak isn’t too shocking to me. Talibans are at war with the US, there are collateral damage.

What i find shocking is the way the government doesn’t expose the facts as they should do. At least American people should know what is the outcome of taxes they pay.

Jan 03, 2013 11:56am EST  --  Report as abuse
ss31704 wrote:

This does not make any legal or justifiable sense. It is a dangerous precedent. Exactly who is the administration accountable to in the case of “anti-terrorist ” drone attacks? What are the criteria, if any, before they take out your house?

Jan 03, 2013 12:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Distillerman wrote:

Obama’s drone war is hypocrisy to the highest degree. The blame Bush mantra for his such efforts resonated constantly in the lib media. But now, a report by the law schools at Stanford and New York universities suggests that during the first three years of ODroneo’s time in office, there were 259 strikes for which he was ultimately responsible, that killed between 297 and 569 civilians, of whom at least 64 were children. So I guess “we don’t need no stinkin’ details.”

Jan 03, 2013 1:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Ranger01 wrote:

King Obama, Answers to no one. The law does not apply to him.

Jan 03, 2013 1:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
comment7777 wrote:

The arguments of whether person x, y or z deserved it are pathetic. That is irrelevant to what is the issue at hand. Due process is still what we are guaranteed and this circumvents that protection.

Jan 03, 2013 1:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Janeallen wrote:

@mabitsko:
The problem is the horrendous civilian casualties caused by these “so called targeted” drones. Because they are unmanned, they often kill entire civilian families without getting one bad guy. And very respected journalists from the United States, and Britain, our closest ally, have produced ample evidence that these drones are about the worst PR for America.

Obama claims that he will bring back respect for America from the world at large. His stubborn decision to use drones, and use them indefensibly carelessly, recklessly, causing untold civilian trauma, is the exact opposite of what he had promised to do when we voted for him.

This article misused the word “targeted” to avoid the big elephant in the picture. The drones are supposed to be targeted, but they miss more than they hit the target.

Ironically, the staunchest critics of Obama on this issue are his democratic base, human rights advocates, voters like me who voted for him; yet he still doesn’t listen.

Jan 03, 2013 1:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
kicklibsout wrote:

Bush/Cheney on steroids! Where’s the outcry retrogressive hypocrites?

Jan 03, 2013 1:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Janeallen wrote:

@Distillerman:

Thanks for the info.

To translate, using drones, Obama has killed more than three times the number of innocent children killed in the Newtown school massacre. And clearly, he has not shed a tear.

This is why some of these regional people join terrorist groups in revenge.

This is why some Americans don’t want to travel with American passports.

Jan 03, 2013 2:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Janeallen wrote:

Incidentally, why did no Pakistani give us intelligence about Bin Laden’s whereabouts in Pakistani for so many years?

Could it be because every one knows somebody or some family killed by Americans? I cannot remember the exact number, but I remember one report on PBS seemed to say that more Pakistanis have been killed in Pakistan, in relation to this war on terror, than Americans killed in 9-11 already! And most of the Pakistani forces, even the ones being trained by us, don’t know what 9-11 means! How are these folks able to support us? How is Obama able to justify such ongoing carnage and the motivation it gives to the local people to join the terrorists against us?

Even David Ignatius, an expert on the intelligence in this area, has been highly critical of the drone program. He has the reputation of knowing more than anybody else about the CIA intelligence there.

OBAMA: The files will be released in 50 years, whether you like it or not. You’d better have a darn good reason, not a good excuse, but a good reason, for your policy there.

Jan 03, 2013 2:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ILikeRush2 wrote:

Obozo is now the Judge, Jury and Executioner. I think all dictators have this power. He as already killed 2 Americans in this manner with no trial.

Jan 03, 2013 2:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Distillerman wrote:

@Janeallen:

Precisely. We are witnessing the slow and very calculating disintegration of this republic. It’s gonna be a very bumpy ride. Be well.

Jan 03, 2013 8:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Mojo13 wrote:

Another sign, as if any were needed for those who have been paying attention the last decade, that Constitutional governance is dead in the U.S. A secret government, beholden to the banks and the Military Industrial Infotainment Complex, rules from behind the scenes. Carefully managed and manipulated elections every four years allow we the people to choose one or the other corporate-controlled candidate, either of which will do the bidding of the Secret Government, not the people.

It’s a pity that so many in the judiciary are cowed into submission also.

Jan 04, 2013 4:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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