NY newspaper hires armed guards after publishing gun permit names

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sidevalve56 wrote:

This is what happens when stupid collide…

Jan 02, 2013 7:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
redmerlot wrote:

And the newspaper handily proves their own hypocrisy. They decry gun ownership, but the moment they feel threatened, the first thing they do is hire people carrying guns to protect them. Oh yeah, those are “professional security people” they’ll say. Right. How many of you worry about how well trained security guards really are, or even the police.

No, the newspaper has exposed itself. What they really want is to ban all the guns…. unless of course THEY want them for their own protection.

Jan 02, 2013 7:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheBigM wrote:

Redmerlot: You give them too much credit for having ideals or principles. They want to create a self-perpetuating crisis so they can sell newspapers. I’d love it if someone dug up all kind of personal info on these people and posted it.

Jan 02, 2013 7:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
sixsixtysix wrote:

the lists of gun owners should be just as accessible as those of homeowners or vehicle registrants. i should be able to know who is packing heat around me.

Jan 02, 2013 7:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Tace_Caudex wrote:

I don’t understand why gun owners would be worried that other people know they have guns. It’s not illegal. What’s the problem?

Jan 02, 2013 7:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
CMDibe wrote:

the staggering hypocrisy of liberal bigots is only exceeded by their intellectual bankruptcy.

Jan 02, 2013 7:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
CMDibe wrote:

the staggering hypocrisy of liberal bigots is only exceeded by their intellectual bankruptcy.

Jan 02, 2013 7:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Asoshoh wrote:

Well now there is an open invitation for committed criminals to prey upon the homes and lives of law abiding citizens, invading their homes to procur free firearms that will not be traced back to them…

“But we felt sharing information about gun permits in our area was important in the aftermath of the Newtown shootings.”

Good intent…doubt it. Rash, inconsiderate, ethically impoverished and dangerous best describes such publishing practices.

Jan 02, 2013 8:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
nocroman wrote:

Yes, lets esculate the situation On gun ownership. Add my name to the list. veteran Robert Therrien. I am armed and will respond with deadly force with all the skill I was taght by the U.S. military if attacked personally, or my family friends or community are attacked. I will not wait for the police to investigate and maybe find out who attacked us. It’s called self defense! Legal gun owners and those that have recieved the training to carry concield weapons. should be able to carry concealed or unconcealed weapons and recieve a discount on ammunition to act in places where police cannot or where local governments cannot afford enough police coverage to deter crime.
A dead criminal commits no more crimes! That community lives in peace until another criminal shows up and must be put down like that rabid dog they have shown themselves to be. New penalties need to be passed. you kill, you die! you prey upon the weak, you die! you rob homes or stores, you die! NO theft leaves more profit so store owners are able to help those that ask for help or work. Prices will drop. People can go out at night to enjoy an evening walk with their spouse or girlfriend. Children can again play at a local park without fear of being kidnapped. The bleeding hearts of America need to stand firm and truely punish criminals in this nation. From the ghetto’s all the way to wallstreet, congress and the senate.

Jan 02, 2013 8:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Papasmurf58 wrote:

OK then! Lets see if the newspaper prints the names and addresses of its new security team. I’m sure they won’t have a problem with that !

Jan 02, 2013 8:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse

I’m happy to find out which of my neighbors are gun-nuts; know I know who are the power-freaks who need to be watched. Publishing the lists should be done nation-wide; let’s bring these nut-cases out of the shadows and into the sunshine.

Thanks very much to the Journal News for their integrity and bravery.

Jan 02, 2013 8:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
talker2cent wrote:

Should not concealed carry also have records concealed except for law enforcement purposes…hence the words concealed carry permit…sounds logical to me..

Jan 02, 2013 8:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DaveEddleman wrote:

Yep. Get those armed gunmen to make you feel safe. Funny thing is, if she/they were ever threatened by a gun, 99% of the CCW permit holders nearest her would be the 1st to defend her. Sadly, there are nuts who haven’t been identified and would pass a criminal background. I would agree to a quick, online psych eval for anyone wanting to purchase a gun, problem would be passing it. Even someone who is afraid of guns and wants a nonfiring museum piece would fail Obama’s acceptable critia.

All you people who think you’re “getting back at those nasty, mean, dangerous gunowners” do realize that the victim pool for criminals in your area just got a lot smaller and you’re still in it, don’t you?

I would agree with a website that allows someone with no criminal history to be allowed to see who within a 2 mile radius from their legal address has a gun, but you all have just taken the uncertainty out of the criminal element, which has really kept crime down. No they know who they can safely inflict violence on.

Jan 02, 2013 8:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ralphziggy wrote:

So funny, anti-gun newspaper hires armed citizens to protect itself.

Jan 02, 2013 8:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DaveEddleman wrote:

@sixsixtysix wrote

They are moreso now. I can’t take a license plate down and run it to find the owner. Only a police officer has that access. This is for the owner’s safety.

Jan 02, 2013 8:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
lookingout4u wrote:

Doesn’t this just prove what most people know but aren’t saying? That there are a lot of guns out there. If I buy a house, I think it is my right to know if my neighbor has 3 handguns, 4 rifles, an AK47, 2 shotguns and 200 rounds of ammunition. If you have a right to have one, I have a right to know you have it. That is the best deterrent anyway isn’t it?

If you are worried that someone will break into your house and steal your guns, that is a normal reaction. We need a national dialogue on guns, people leaning on an antiquated 2nd amendment right and nothing else have to be more eloquent in their arguments to support gun ownership, have to be willing to register them, insure them, and get them regularly inspected. We do it with cars.

Jan 02, 2013 8:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Prepared wrote:

Printing the address of where a mentally disturbed person can steal a firearm is defiantly the most stupid thing anyone could do. You people need to understand the right to bear arms is the same right as freedom of speech, etc. However there are still things that you do not say. So get Prepared before it is too late.

Jan 02, 2013 8:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
CynthiaGee wrote:

So what’s the big problem? Gun ownership is legal – it’s a Constitutional right, as the NRA lobbyists are so fond of pointing out. I own a gun, and I don’t care who knows it,so why would any law-abiding, responsible gun owner have a problem with people knowing that they own a gun ???

…unless, of course, some of those gun-owners aren’t as law-abiding and responsible as they would have folks believe, which, judging by the threatening letters that the newspaper has received, certainly appears to be the case.

Jan 02, 2013 8:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DaveEddleman wrote:

@CMDibe wrote

“I don’t understand why gun owners would be worried that other people know they have guns. It’s not illegal. What’s the problem?”

In combat, frequently, “A weapon identified is a weapon neutralized.”

A criminal wanting a gun could target a listee when they’re not home to get it to use on others.

A criminal who chooses to rob a listee is going to be prepared and expecting to kill the homeowner, again, most likely for an additional weapon.

A criminal will most likely target a non-listee. This just made everyone’s like more dangerous.

Jan 02, 2013 8:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
elhamb3166 wrote:

The several reasons given by the paper justifying their actions ring a bit hollow. I believe that anyone who uses the Freedom of Information Act provisions could probably obtain the information so if you were concerned about the level of gun ownership in your area, you would not need the local paper to do your work for you.

However, a “You published my name as being a licensed gun owner so I’m going to shoot you dead” response does show the hypocrisy of a major segment of the gun owner population.

Jan 02, 2013 8:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BugBubba69 wrote:

This just shows the ignorance of the newspaper staff. The concealed carry permit holders have been through training on gun handling and laws plus have had a through background check by law enforcement personell before they could get their carry permit.

These are not the people you should worry about. Be concerned about the people who carry without permits and could care less about breaking the law.

Jan 02, 2013 9:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DaveEddleman wrote:

@tiredofgunnuts wrote:

“I’m happy to find out which of my neighbors are gun-nuts; know I know who are the power-freaks who need to be watched. Publishing the lists should be done nation-wide; let’s bring these nut-cases out of the shadows and into the sunshine.

Thanks very much to the Journal News for their integrity and bravery.”

I’m a prior-service Military Officer. I own a handgun. I have no carry permit. It’s just registered. Never fired it. Hope I never will.

It and I both stand ready to defend the innocent civilians and LEO’s alike.

Am I a “gun nut”?

Jan 02, 2013 9:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Evo1 wrote:

And I bet these idiots also were part of the crowd running down the NRA for suggesting armed guards would reduce attacks in schools. Funny how it’s the first solution they come up with when they themselves feel threatened.

Jan 02, 2013 9:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Evo1 wrote:

And I bet these idiots also were part of the crowd running down the NRA for suggesting armed guards would reduce attacks in schools. Funny how it’s the first solution they come up with when they themselves feel threatened.

Jan 02, 2013 9:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
emvp wrote:

The FBI’s empirical data for violent crimes in the U.S. is very interesting…over the last 20 years the violent crime rate has droped 50%.

Jan 02, 2013 9:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
americanguy wrote:

So the gun control freaks get hired guns to protect themselves?
So they can protect themselves with guns because they have money, but families cannot?
Nuff said.

Jan 02, 2013 9:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Dragos111 wrote:

The media keeps telling us that the gun owners are now afraid since bad guys know where they live. Actually, it might be a different scenario altogether. The bad guys now know where all the unarmed, potential victims live. They know which houses to avoid.

If I lived there and did not get on that list, I would run out and get a “this property protected by Smith and Wesson” sign.

Jan 02, 2013 9:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Forcekin wrote:

There are some double digit IQ’s at work on both sides here. lol. Not a “Gun Nutt”, but you have to let rational thought and logic prevail. From a logical /philosophical point of view you could say that ideals kill more people than anything. Whether it be political, religious, or cultural. In America we have the 1st Amendment which protects our right to differ in all of the above. At what point would you give up this liberty? Perhaps the next war? Or maybe he next depression? Its happened before and it would be unrealistic to think it wont happen again. We live in a reactionary society and the media makes money from it so of course they are gonna play on your emotions. Its hard for people to see the bigger picture when they loose the ability to empathize and this is why they focus on polarizing viewpoints. Its a bummer that they do this because it makes it impossible to get things done as the politicians look at the media as the voice of the people. Lets be realistic….. its none of my business what religion you are or what you do or don’t have in your home. The concerns of those who think we need change in policy need to be addressed and not snubbed off. there are easy steps that can be taken without infringing second amendment. Guns are not going away so you nuts on the anti side would have better luck moving to a country without this liberty. I personally do not want to live in a county where liberties are taken away so easily whether it be the 1st or 2nd amendment.

Jan 02, 2013 10:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ConstFundie wrote:

Funny, guns are a fine and needed defense for themselves. If only we all could hire personal armed guards.

Jan 02, 2013 11:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
fromthecenter wrote:

I’m not sure what the heck the point of publishing peoples names? But, based on the attitudes that a lot of the gun owners have i would think they would like it? They usually wear the gun owner status like a badge of honor anyway.

Jan 02, 2013 11:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RonJohn wrote:

I wonder if these security guards had their named published in that newspaper.

Jan 03, 2013 1:12am EST  --  Report as abuse
MetalHead8 wrote:

So the Gun Control Bigots hate the thought of putting armed guards at school, but its ok when they are protecting themselves?

Another blistering display of Hypocrisy and ignornace by gun control bigots. Rosie O Donnell did the same thing a few years back with One Million Moms. She had many passionate anti-gun speeches but then had her bodyguard get a carry permit.

Jan 03, 2013 10:55am EST  --  Report as abuse
OldRogue wrote:

You have the right to a gun? Then I have the right to know about it.

Jan 03, 2013 6:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
crittertron wrote:

This story is not worth the microbes of cyberspace it is written on, another waste of breath like so much else on this site.

Jan 04, 2013 4:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DaveEddleman wrote:

Congradulations, you just put the wives and children of every armed guard and LEO in New York in danger, as well as every unarmed citizen in NYC. Are you happy yet? I think the publisher, and anyone who was a part of this psychotic liberal game should be charged as an accessory to anyone who was argeted an any way by criminals due to this map.

“Inmates using newspaper’s gun owner map to threaten guards, sheriff says”

“Ex-Burglars Say Newspaper’s Gun Map Would’ve Made the Job Easier, Safer”

Jan 05, 2013 2:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse

The editorial staff of the Journal needs to have a serious discussion among themselve as to how their actions, any of this makes the world a safer place and how it directly relates to the Conneticut shootings other than the fact these people own guns. What percentage of their readers have an interest in, or desire to know the addresses of registered gun owners? Sure the names are public record, so why the need to sensationalize the matter? The paper needlessly and for no other reason than to sell newspapers and make more money form advertisers, openned up these law obiding individuals private lives to unnecessary scrutiny and created the possiblity of putting them in harms way. I truly believe, even though the publication was within their legal rights, that certain moral and ethical lines were crossed here in infringing on citizens expectations of respect for privacy a lack of regard for the common good or doing no harm. I fail to see how in the balance of pros and cons this could any way be considered beneficial to the Journal’s readers or citizens in general. Then comes the irony and absolute hypocracy of hiring “ARMED” guards just takes the whole thing over a cliff. The Journal News editorial staff will be cleaning the egg off their faces for some time to come. Gannett might want to hire employees that are little more responsible and enlightened in the profession of journalism and ethics. It is a safe bet Gannett has and will lose advertisers over this, as it should

Jan 06, 2013 1:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AZreb wrote:

The personification of “hypocrisy”.

Jan 08, 2013 8:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
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