Biden draws NRA ire in drive against gun violence

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RetiredNMKid wrote:

Recommendations should include mandatory hands-on gun safety course as prerequisite to graduation from high school. Make that Junior high school. Why? To provide a way to identify and treat students who should never be permitted to bear arms (let them wear t-shirts). It’s unhealthy and unwise to permit students who have bottled up their anger to bear arms, but equally unhealthy and unwise to take the constitutional right to bear arms from mentally well-balanced patriots. Early identification and treatment of those with anger issues is the best remedy to violence in schools and in society. There are side benefits to hands-on gun safety courses that teach kids the lethality of real weapons firing real bullets. Kids who grow up with weapons learn hard lessons about lethality hunting birds or rabbits; those who only watch on TV are ill prepared to enter adulthood. Those who exhibit bottled rage in school are as dangerous as improvised explosive devices left to go off as young adults. Wisdom warrants treatment of anger issues before rather than after explosions.

Jan 10, 2013 12:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Gabowski wrote:

The current administration would not be interested in gun safety courses and many liberal parents would reject the idea. They have already rejected the NRA’s idea of volunteer guards in schools. The ban on sales of “assault weapons” will most likely pass in some form even though it won’t do anything about the millions of firearms already out there. All it would take is a few more massacres and the Democrats will advance to confiscation mode if they happen to be in power at that time. That will be fine with the millions of anti-American Americans who live in this country.

Jan 10, 2013 1:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BioStudies wrote:

Yea there is only a tight window to do this because once the public calms down they will realize that A: the most recent shootings (both in Connecticut and Colorado) took place in GUN FREE ZONES. B: If you make guns illegal only the criminals will have them. C: When the populace has arms at a crime scene that crime all of a sudden end. WOW

Jan 10, 2013 1:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BioStudies wrote:

I forgot to add D: Obama has no legal authority to ban anything.

Jan 10, 2013 1:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SanPa wrote:

Mass shootings were very rare, involved fewer victims, and generally involved worker disputes prior to the late 80s. High capacity firearms were unrestricted in those times. The two most apparent changes since that time were a) curtailment of federal mental healthcare funding, and b) the increased promotion of violent media depicting mass carnage. Perhaps a solution might be gleaned from targeting the sources rather than the means to violent acts.

Jan 10, 2013 1:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
CF137 wrote:

All it would take is a few more massacres and the Democrats will advance to confiscation mode if they happen to be in power at that time.
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That will never happen. The Supreme Court already ruled on the 2nd Amendment. The case was called District of Columbia vs. Heller.

Jan 10, 2013 1:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
speaker12 wrote:

We are faced with the greatest danger our nation has ever faced. The current executive branch is out of control. The time is coming when one must choose between the federal government and the people of the United States of America. God help us all.

Jan 10, 2013 2:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
americanguy wrote:

The same things Ronald Reagan and his fellow Republicans supported in the past.
Fine with me.
My pump shotgun, spewing almost 60 projectiles in 5 seconds (and you really can’t miss the target), is a lot better weapon than any assault rifle. I never even wanted an assault rifle. “Pretending I am in the military” assault weapons are no match for a shotgun ( 00 Mag Buck ), when it comes to defending your home or family. The only people who want military weapons, are nutty people who like to pretend they are in the military or in some Hollywood movie.
They dress up in ACU’s, boots, caps, sometimes helmets, driving SUV’s, and run around in the woods like crazy people pretending they are fighting the “bad guys”.

Jan 10, 2013 3:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Background checks are kind of lame. All of these recent school and theater shooters would have passed a background check. They had no priors and they are citizens. That’s about all it takes. It’s not a mental health evaluation.

Jan 10, 2013 4:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
explorer08 wrote:

@BioStudies: I do NOT want a few dozen “good guys” at a crime scene ready to bang away at a perp. These so-called good guys, as the NRA calls them, are untrained, unscreened and ready to bang away at the slightest provocation. They have no idea at all how to bring down a perp, like a trained police officer does. Testosterone driven twenty-somethings are not who you want in, say, the Aurora theater. Can you imagine if 50 or so of these unskilled but legal gunowners start banging away in panic mode, as they surely will? Carnage will result. Bullets all over the place including in bystanders’ heads.

Jan 10, 2013 6:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bobber1956 wrote:

Here is where I am at with all of this. When a law enforcement officer with a badge, a gun, a warrant backed by a Constitutional Order passed by Congress and affirmed by the United States Supreme Court comes to my door and asks me POLITELY to surrender my firearms I will. I really don’t care what the president or his mouthpiece has to say about it. Until then, I have done nothing wrong, stay the f— off my property or I will shoot you and I have a carry permit and will ve armed in public as well (especially now). I am done.

Jan 10, 2013 7:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
CF137 wrote:

It sounds like there is some kind of Executive Order coming down the pipe…probably to ban magazine and expand background checks. The interesting part will be to see if Congress challenges before it goes into effect.

Jan 10, 2013 8:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Anthonykovic wrote:

The government, not the NRA, was elected to govern the US.
Yet the NRA if often portrayed as telling Congress what to do.

From where does this perverse “power” and evil “influence” come from?
Who is shoving money into whose pockets?

Jan 10, 2013 8:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ReutersCheck wrote:

Leave it to the Dems to throw the baby out with the bath water. Truth is that guns ARE too easy to acquire – for BOTH criminals (especially criminals) and law abiding citizens. Gun control laws that Biden/Obama is going for will certainly be targeted at eroding the second amendment as is consistent with everything this administration has done regarding the constitution. This isn’t about duck and deer hunters and it is not about duck and deer hunting. Whom are we kidding? The second amendment is about ensuring THE PEOPLE have a last resort protection against an oppressive administration trying to rule OVER them against their will. Gun clips are not about hunting deer. There is a reason why law enforcement needs them and why someone trying to protect themselves would need them and it is not to look cool. The solution isn’t about banning clips from law abiding citizens. That’s just a step toward confiscation and another blow to the second amendment. Our “gun culture” does reflect a glorification of assault style weaponry. Just watch someone playing Call of Duty for about 30 seconds, look at the Nerf and squirt guns in the toy aisle, airsoft and paint guns or a “typical” 22 in your local sporting good store. It also reflects a growing willingness to use guns to impose your will. Just listen to rap music for about 2 minutes. All this just plays into the hands of the liberals wanting the ability to control us “for our own good” because “they know what is best for us” in their Orwellian wisdom. The tragic events in schools (not to mention those occurring everyday in our streets)are more a function of the attention and glorification our media gives to the respective criminal than it has to do with restricting access for law abiding citizens.
If you want to influence gun culture where it really matters you might want to take a look at our “rap culture” which has far greater influence on the role of violence in our society than anything Biden and his regulatory baffoons will ever come up with. Not to regulate it as liberals would think. But, to influence it. Use influential people in our pop and rap culture (artists, athletes, actors etc) to provide perspective, share more balance stories and help shape values and beliefs. But, this type of approach would be considered multiculturally insensitive by our liberal academia and media, so meaningful change where it really matters will never happen. Teachers can’t even refer to a kid like the killer in Connecticut as “troubled” for political correctness. Any hope of actively identifying and helping the thousands of kids like him is squashed by a tangled web of reporting regulations and risk management gymnastics. This administration’s approach to the problem is not about real solutions. Rather it is a politicized joke using a real tragedy as cover to push a liberal agenda which has nothing to do with the well being of our children.

Jan 10, 2013 9:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jmfree wrote:

speaker12:

Yes, “God help us all” in thwarting the well-armed anarchy so many would love to see so they can brighten up their dull and frustrated lives, aimed at no one in particular. Happy shooting!

BioStudies:

Gun free zones? What’s it like to live in your FACT-FREE ZONE? Newtown has been well-documented as hugely pro-gun. When blindly pro-gun, there is no lie too big to tell, eh?

lawgone:

“At least the NRA stayed silent until after the funerals…”???? Oh well, aren’t we impressed! LaPierre kept his piehole shut for a whole week! Clearly it took him that long to come up with his own mentally ill presentation that offended only 99% of the nation instead of absolutely everyone. I think your right to shoot off your mouth is far more sacred than your right to shoot. Have you donated to the Newtown victims?

bobber1956:

Why do I not feel safer with you on the streets with your concealed weapon? Please unload and come down from your tree.

What a crazy country, but that’s nothing new, as we know.

Jan 10, 2013 9:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jmfree wrote:

ReutersCheck:

Yes, it’s all a big conspiracy to SNEAK in nightmarish restrictions on your rights.

Those sneaky, wicked, scheming liberals! Why don’t they just go out and win an election for once, instead of sneaking around like this?

Jan 10, 2013 10:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BuffaloGirl wrote:

Well said, JMFREE !

Jan 10, 2013 10:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BuffaloGirl wrote:

With the way the NRA proponents speak, it’s difficult to tell who the sane members are, if there are any.

Jan 10, 2013 10:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
dreamymiss wrote:

explore08 said, “They have no idea at all how to bring down a perp, like a trained police officer does.”

Yeah, like the cops in NYC had any idea when they opened fire into a crowd of people to get one guy? Remember that one? They thought the perp shot up the crowd, until ballistics came back and showed all but the dead guy up the street were shot by the police.

Jan 10, 2013 10:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
zenthrop2 wrote:

GUN FREE ZONES: MAGNETS FOR MONSTERS
Sandy Hook, CT – 27 dead
Aurora, CO – 12 dead, 58 injured
Sikh temple, WI – 6 dead
Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA – 32 dead
Columbine High School, Columbine, CO – 12 dead (guard at lunch returned shot stopped)
Amish school, Lancaster County, PA – 5 little girls killed
Public school, Craighead County, AR – 1 boy, 4 little girls dead
Ft. Hood, TX (Islamic terrorist) – 13 killed, 29 injured
9/11 aircraft (Islamic terrorist) – 2,753 dead
Chicago (home of President Obama) – among highest murder rate in nation
Washington, DC (Whitehouse home) – among highest murder rate in nation
Detroit – among highest murder rate in nation
Ukraine Stalin’s forced famine 1933 – 7 million dead
Germany Krystallnacht 1938 – 3 million Jews dead
China Mao’s Great Leap Forward – 40 million dead
Nuclear weapon free America 2014 (Proposed by Obama) – ????? million dead

Jan 10, 2013 10:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
zenthrop2 wrote:

GUN ALLOWED ZONES:
• Clackamas Mall, Portland, Oregon. No media explanation was given for the amazing fact that the assailant managed to kill only two people in the mall during the busy Christmas season. However, concealed-carry-holder Nick Meli hadn’t noticed that the mall was a gun-free zone. He pointed his (otherwise legal) gun at the shooter as he paused to reload, and the next shot was the attempted mass murderer killing himself. (Meli aimed, but didn’t shoot, because there were bystanders behind the shooter.)
• Mayan Palace Theater, San Antonio, Texas, this week: Jesus Manuel Garcia shoots at a movie theater, a police car and bystanders from the nearby China Garden restaurant; as he enters the movie theater, guns blazing, an armed off-duty cop shoots Garcia four times, stopping the attack. Total dead: Zero.
• Winnemucca, Nev., 2008: Ernesto Villagomez opens fire in a crowded restaurant; concealed-carry permit-holder shoots him dead. Total dead: Two. (I’m excluding the shooters’ deaths in these examples.)
• Trolley Square, Salt Lake City, UT: 2007 five killed, four injured. Police officials thanked Kenneth Hammond (off duty officer with gun who shot gunman) as a hero for saving countless lives.
• Appalachian School of Law, 2002: Crazed immigrant shoots the dean and a professor, then begins shooting students; as he goes for more ammunition, two armed students point their guns at him, allowing a third to tackle him. Total dead: Three.
• Santee, Calif., 2001: Student begins shooting his classmates – as well as the “trained campus supervisor”; an off-duty cop who happened to be bringing his daughter to school that day points his gun at the shooter, holding him until more police arrive. Total dead: Two.
• Pearl High School, Mississippi, 1997: After shooting several people at his high school, student heads for the junior high school; assistant principal Joel Myrick retrieves a .45 pistol from his car and points it at the gunman’s head, ending the murder spree. Total dead: Two.
• Edinboro, Pa., 1998: A student shoots up a junior high school dance being held at a restaurant; restaurant owner pulls out his shotgun and stops the gunman. Total dead: One.

Jan 10, 2013 10:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
dreamymiss wrote:

explore08 said, “They have no idea at all how to bring down a perp, like a trained police officer does.”

Yeah, like the cops in NYC had any idea when they opened fire into a crowd of people to get one guy? Remember that one? They thought the perp shot up the crowd, until ballistics came back and showed all but the dead guy up the street were shot by the police.

Anthonykovic I just read that 100,000 people have joined the NRA in the past 18 days…they already had millions of members.

Jan 10, 2013 10:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BuffaloGirl wrote:

@ReutersCheck

I’m not so sure that I like the full import of your “influence change” stance. While it sounds good, this is what the NRA has been doing for so long that has kept this issue under the rug, so to speak. Their influence, has made many afraid to have a discussion where, they too, might be able to have more than a one-sided discussion with the NRA who wont let others speak. The reason so many people can’t stand the NRA is that is is not truly open to a two-sided conversation. They’d rather bully instead. Gee wasn’t that the reason for this last shooting?

Jan 10, 2013 11:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jmfree wrote:

The NRA, and the blindly pro-gun populace, is chock full of armchair patriots who dream of being heroes for a day in an action movie shoot-em-up.

The truth is you take away their electricity, ATM cards, and gasoline and any one of them would be dead within five days. Having to walk a few miles to fetch water just once would put them in the emergency room.

But, wait what’s that I hear? No no — they’re the self-sufficient pioneers who ain’t gonna take no guff from no gub’mint. They don’t need nobody and will shoot trespassers on sight, and they just KNOW how to spot bad guys. And keep your kids outta the way, cause they mean business.

And they sure don’t need a good re-read of the Constitution, cause somebody already told ‘em what it says.

All the more reason I want to keep guns AWAY from them. Heroes for a day, one and all. And without remorse.

Jan 10, 2013 11:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ReutersCheck wrote:

jmfree – you shop at Walmart?

Jan 11, 2013 1:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
ReutersCheck wrote:

What do gun free zones have to do with a mentally unstable person illegally obtaining weapons (which will happen regardless of gun control laws) and killing innocent people?

Jan 11, 2013 1:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
BuffaloGirl wrote:

@ReutersCheck

If there is gun regulation to stop the sale and ownership of automatic and semiautomatic guns and mega-magazines, that will be a big step forward and have an impact on the sociopath ability to randomly get their hands on one and kill scores of people. We’re never going to stop every evil sob. But we can make an effort to limit the damage that can be done. Honestly, I don’t know why the NRA thinks they are above it all and cannot see the logic in that.

Jan 11, 2013 2:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
borisjimbo wrote:

It doesn’t take much to draw the NRA’s ire.

Jan 11, 2013 2:40am EST  --  Report as abuse
Mandingo wrote:

So the lovely NRA has been prohibiting research on anything gun related. Petty crooks. I know those weapons as I am ex military and have shot FN’s, AK-47′s etc. I also know they are killing machines designed by the armaments industry to cause maximum destruction to any human body. No, they are not for duck hunting. The 30 round magazines allow the killers behind these human murder machines to pump out 30 rounds in under a minute. I don’t want civilians to have these human death machines just like I don’t want civilians to own and drive tanks, which are also not used for duck hunting, no matter what the NRA says.

Jan 11, 2013 3:07am EST  --  Report as abuse
deke44 wrote:

What American in his right mind would advocate assault rifles or any other weapon which would hold more than 7 bullets at a time. As a young hunter many years ago, I was told that if you got, at best, 2 good shots at your game animal and missed, the animal had every right to get away. That is callede sportsmanship. I suspect there are dummies who go hunting with assault rifles and just spray in the general direction of the game animal regardless if one or more bullets end up in the head or gut of another hunter. If their excuse is to use their assault rifle against what they consider an encroaching government, they are really nuts.
I cannot wait for the Hagel hearings. I want to hear what all those chickenhawkis who ducked Nam have to say about Hagels ability as Sec Def. I have always been under the impression that the President and Sec of State established foreign policy and the Sec Def carried out that policy. Cheney, as Sec Def got 6 deferments during the Nam war and then shot his hunting companion serving in the Bush administration. And that last Sec of Def, who considered himself a wordssmith, made the dumbest statement to come out of any war. Why it was worst than after 6 years of fighting in Nam a gereral said “we are just beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel”. Rums, when asked by a 2nd Lieut. “why his troops had to scavenge through Iraqi dumps to uparmor their vehicles”, Rums statement will go down in history proving him to be the most stupid Sec Def ever, “When you go to war” said Rums, “You go with the Army you got, not the one you want”. Why is that statement so dumb? Simple it was a preemptive war. In a preemptive war the attacking army, us, decides when, where, what the major objectives are, the type and amount of troops needed, the type and amount of equipment required to complete their mission.

Jan 11, 2013 7:26am EST  --  Report as abuse
deke44 wrote:

Take note of all the expressions of sorrow for the 26 killed at Newtown. Their only concern is owning a gun. There is no one trying to take their guns away except for the type of weaponry that most sportsmen would not use in hunting game or in target practice. Who needs weapons that shoot a multitude of bullets in seconds to kill a deer. If there are those who use those weapons to hunt they ought to be kicked out of every fish and game club and their names published in the paper as to what a sportsman should not be. Maybe that might be too harsh, it might set some idiot over the edge and he would attack the next fish and game club meeting. I am not opposed to the second amendment, though there are times I wish I could be given one guarantee. That being, the only people killed or maimed by guns would be they have a god given right to own any type of gun they want. What is next, grenade launchers, bazookas, howlitzers, heavily armed tanks?

Jan 11, 2013 7:52am EST  --  Report as abuse
Jameson4Lunch wrote:

deke44 – Not sure what guns your talking about that ‘shoot a multitude of bullets in seconds’. You know automatics are banned, right? If you just mean semi-autos, then I guess you could say my Marlin Model 60 .22 fits that bill. As does my my P85. As does my MkIII. Hell, I can even get a good 6 shots in 3-4 seconds with my Vaquero single action.

Guns are designed to kill, and if they are used to that intent, they will. The model matters very little.

Jan 11, 2013 4:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
lyricsbylucas wrote:

2nd Amendment Right To Bear Arms Or Not

There is a move in this country to keep guns out of schools,
And yet our Founding Fathers found it to be a rightful tool,
The Pledge of Allegiance is removed which instilled pride,
We banned the bible but sexuality, students need not hide?

It is true guns are not for the irresponsible as people claim,
But, banning them will not stop the criminals or the insane,
The word of God was forced out & violence replaced grace,
School districts put metal detectors in the good book’s place.

If gun control is implemented it will make easier every crime,
Good citizens unarmed then evil is more apt to get out of line,
When the bad guys know the good guys don’t have or cannot,
Be armed with like firepower or resistance, what have we got?

Chaos! Much greater than any thing now present in the U.S.A.,
Every time crime abounds safety will be to look the other way,
And even then, knowing that no one can lend a hand or assist,
The ability to stand around & do nothing is a much greater risk.

Every mass killing in our safe schools suffered irreparable harm,
Isn’t because the kids had guns but our educators weren’t armed,
No murders are sneaking in police stations or on a military base,
As they know darn well the likelihood of return fire in their face.

More background checks, no buy it now & take it home with ammo,
The minimum? “Complete Criminal History” why take the gamble?
Along with a medical investigation re: an applicant’s mental history,
When buying a gun gone is the right to doctor-patient confidentiality.

The banning of weapons because they kill would be like banning cars,
Just because people get drunk and get behind the wheel leaving bars,
The motor vehicle is not the problem so therefore, neither is the gun,
But, it is in the hands of the unstable when the most damage is done.

2nd Amendment protects the right of the people to keep & bear arms,
Now it’s as necessary as livestock, tractors and grain feed on a farm,
Are not air marshals and airplane pilots trained and armed in flight?
Don’t let a rash to judgment implement the wrong in place of a right.

Remember the gangster days of Al Capone, the Mafia & the Mob?
Our streets would be no safer and it would be easier to get robbed,
A good defense stops a good offence, teams will play another day,
However, there will be no tomorrow for the unarmed blown away.

Jan 12, 2013 9:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
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