Japanese airlines ground Dreamliners after emergency landing

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WJL wrote:

The problem for JAL is that it faces pressure from politicians to be subservient to American interests and this places unacceptable risk to passengers.

There are just too many concurrent incidents for it to qualify as a ‘safe’ plane.

Jan 15, 2013 8:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ShadyPines wrote:

I’m glad no one was hurt. This time. We need to move the plane manufacturing back to the Seattle area, where the experienced mechanics are located and where the name “Boeing” evinces some pride.

Jan 15, 2013 8:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bel47 wrote:

Even if not aircraft’s problem. Boeing is really pharked up this time.

Jan 15, 2013 8:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
evilpaulie wrote:

I have a feeling this is going to be one of those planes. You will see tons of them in air graveyards, like new. Especially if one crashes, this will jinx the whole program. I wouldn’t get on one. Not after all these problems.

Jan 15, 2013 10:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Pllc15 wrote:

One of the draw-backs when too much of the plane’s components were farmed out to too many suppliers. Tough to manage quality control. It is interesting to note that the batteries in question were made in Japan. The Li-ion type batteries that have had a spate of fires due to difficulty controlling their temperature in hybrid vehicles. They were first introduced to lap-tops but they too caught fire during the initial introduction 20 years ago. Li-ion batteries are preferred because their mass to output ratio is very high. In otherwords, they generate more power in the least amount of space. Present technology still has not found the ideal solution to controlling the temperature.

Jan 15, 2013 11:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ENGR4SUR wrote:

I’m glad to see that everyone was safe and they (ANA) decided to divert and land before anyone was hurt. Also good to see the Japanese Authority taking action to ensure safety.

Jan 16, 2013 12:43am EST  --  Report as abuse
SavageNation wrote:

Who is SHORTING Boeing stock and how are they tied in with the media.

Look at the circus Airbarge’s A380 was, even glossed up by Euro-Socialist Loving PBS.
Tell me there aren’t problems with ANY major vehicle.

Jan 16, 2013 12:43am EST  --  Report as abuse
TomKi wrote:

The 787 many problems are first and foremost, results of architectural-design errors made years ago. Boeing specified way too many new technologies and components whose sole purpose is to reduce cost. Not to deliver greater customer satisfaction. Then to compound this, Boeing decided to subcontract out the engineering-build of just about the whole aircraft. These contracts were awarded all over the world, selecting many who has little aerospace experience, and therefore can low-bid. Boeing management figured their job is simply to assemble parts together and laugh all the way to be bank.

It’s all about doing the least work, using the cheapest or newest parts – a by-now standard and uniquely American management style to deliver the maximum possible profit. Look what happened to HP – it doesn’t make stuff anymore. It put labels on other people’s stuff. This is also the 787 Dreamliner.

The 787 is a pure electrical plane, requiring a huge power plant. But to get such a plant going, it needs a huge battery bank. Instead of using try-and-true (and aviation certified) NiCd battery, Boeing picked notorious lithium-ion, with a reputation of catching fire in notebook. Why? Yup – cut cost and weight. This battery is now the subject to the Japan fleet grounding. Boeing care more about profit then safety.

When Boeing called its new liner the Dreamliner, the name came from top management. It’s supposed to be a dream for them – their balance sheet and big bonus.

Jan 16, 2013 2:06am EST  --  Report as abuse
Mickelenische wrote:

Every one of these problem 787s was made in the Everett, Washington plant by UNION hacks – old guys who cannot be fired because of seniority even though they are inefficient, error-prone, and just hanging on for retirement. Leaking fuel lines, improperly installed electrical harnesses, faulty battery installations, and loose connectors – all shoddy assembly problems and all coming from the UNION hacks in Everett.

The 787 will improve as the South Carolina non-union assembly line starts cranking them out.

Jan 16, 2013 3:33am EST  --  Report as abuse
arthurpkaske wrote:

Hey, dreamliner, ever heard of dreamweaver?

Jan 16, 2013 3:37am EST  --  Report as abuse
arthurpkaske wrote:

Hey, dreamliner, ever heard of dreamweaver?

Jan 16, 2013 3:40am EST  --  Report as abuse
WJL wrote:

Just enlarge the battery banks by 50% and reduce the charging intensity rate. That will help to make the problem less serious but not necessarily eliminate the problem.


Jan 16, 2013 7:20am EST  --  Report as abuse
americanguy wrote:

From a comment
“We need to move the plane manufacturing back to the Seattle area, where the experienced mechanics are located and where the name “Boeing” evinces some pride.”

ALL of the affected planes were made in Seattle.
So much for that silly comment.

Jan 16, 2013 7:41am EST  --  Report as abuse
CascaRufio wrote:

“many see as the future of commercial aviation”
Is this saying that many see the 787 as the future of commercial aviation, or is it saying that many foresee a lot of equipment failures in the future of commercial aviation?

Jan 16, 2013 10:04am EST  --  Report as abuse
noyoudont wrote:

Funny when I remember Boeing’s glee at setbacks Airbus was experiencing. After years of delays, engineering setbacks and obvious numerous problems with the “dream”liner, their foot is solidly planted in their own collective mouth. And, that’s where it belongs!

Jan 16, 2013 11:16am EST  --  Report as abuse
robertotoo wrote:

If my memory serves me, the delays were caused in part by sourcing parts from all over the world and finding that some of them wouldn’t fit properly. If I built something with my name on it I would want it built in house. Someone correct me if I am wrong about the outsourcing problem.

Jan 16, 2013 12:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JL4 wrote:

Did Mr. Aboulafia really have the nerve to say the industry is “nearing the tipping point”? What has to happen for the industry to acknowledge that this plane has been at “the tipping point” from the beginning? An emergency landing isn’t “the tipping point”?

I think people who lose family members in the first crash will call it an “unconscionable tragedy” and not a “tipping point”.

But no matter what, expect massive layoffs at Boeing. They’ll need to make up the loss of quarterly profits.

Jan 16, 2013 12:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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