Boeing probe focuses on battery, 787 deliveries halted

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Whiteathame wrote:

Who manufactured the “blown” lithium-ion batteries and the major components of its charging sysytem?

Jan 17, 2013 10:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
tempedan wrote:

Cessna Citation II jets came with lithium ion batteries but after a few of the batteries overheated and some of them melted through the fuselage a lead-acid option was lSTC’d and a lot of owners paid huge bucks to make the conversion. Perhaps Boeing will offer the same solution.

Jan 17, 2013 11:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flysafe wrote:

Whistleblower lawsuit. Fire. Explosion. Injury- that was the 787′s battery system-six years ago, Not much new here

I hope this gets you mad. Mad enough to care, mad enough to dig for truth and mad enough to demand answers
How much do you really know? what you’re told? Or what you find out? Try this one out at the water cooler.
2006: That’s when a 787 battery fire and explosion leveled a high tech building at an Arizona company that was testing hardware for their Boeing product.
There’s an extensive case file and a whistleblower lawsuit which eerily presages the current problems plaguing the 787 electrical system. ( Try a search engine and enter “Securaplane whistleblower’ and ‘Securaplane fire’ -and try not to spill your coffee. )

Recent statements from DC and Boeing execs would be comical if they weren’t criminal. Yes-I just went there. It was a play to bolster the stock in the face of impending investigations, a move designed to keep orders on the books while they bought time like a con artist running a Ponzi scheme.
See, there’s no secrets being kept here except from you. They know the score…Playing deadpan for the camera, Boeing’s CEO and FAA Administrator Huerta and Sec.of Transportation Lahood all closed ranks and hoped for the best-but the fate of the Dreamliner was already sealed. It’s a good plane built by good, good people-too bad it all had to go so horribly wrong. The flaws can be corrected-but the executives will haggle over pennies, even with lives on the line. You’ll be cited a lot of engineering babblespeak about the probabilities, failure rates-it won’t come from pilot’s who’ve ever faced a fire aboard an aircraft. Sad truth is, getting it right was only a matter of managing risk and making better choices-instead, Boeing execs made a play for dreamy numbers, and tried to build a plane to meet the sales pitch. They could’ve gotten it right and never endured this, but now, they’ve hurt the entire nation. Securaplane-remember that company, look it up. Find out about that pesky lawsuit filed by a guy who fought for the truth. I wish I’d met him; he saw trouble ahead, tried to flag his coworkers, superiors-you know the rest. You do.

Ever seen a 787 up close? It’s a looker. Beautiful, sleek-and tragically flawed. We like pretty things-it’s our undoing sometimes. Nice plane though.

There are design issues as well; the battery configuration and system design placed fantasy over sound engineering. It’s really not rocket science.
Confronted with mounting delays, Boeing executives finessed lowered standards and eased certification rules under a prior FAA administrator, and the case of the fire at Meggitt PLC’s Securaplane division and the Michael Leon whistleblower lawsuit never seem to surface within US media coverage-until now. They pitched platitudes and told you it was safe-they looked you in the eye they did. You know the rest: the fuel leaks and other problems are just sideshows; though irritating and worrisome, it does occur; it’s a fact of life when you’re launching a new airplane .All along, the real show was always going to be systems architecture and what went on in the electrons whizzing about in Dreamliner’s innards. That fire from ’06… they put it down, but they didn’t put it out.
If you’re reading this, that’s good. If you’re motivated to seek accountability, Google is a great way to verify the above facts-give it to your kids-tell ‘em it’s an assignment. You might put them on a plane someday; who knows?

It all depends if you accept being condescended to by a snarky online poster or if you instead prefer to be jerked around by Boeing and DC officials. Somewhere out there, maybe you’ll join in and make a difference. I invite contact and engagement by fellow aviation professionals with a conscience and an eye to getting the facts out-it’s time we empty the trash and get credibility back into aviation lest we all behave like fainting goats while the sheeple get sheared by the wolves.

Jan 18, 2013 5:23am EST  --  Report as abuse
Yamayoko wrote:

I bought a couple dollars’ worth cell phone charger and it can prevent overheating and overcharging. I wonder why a multi-millions state-of-the-art aircraft cannot be designed to prevent same. Did Boeing sell special dreadliners to Japan’s ANA and JAL ? Air India and Qantas also have 787s but never reported same problem.

Jan 18, 2013 7:32am EST  --  Report as abuse
americanguy wrote:

Boeing needs to suck it up and ask NASA what battery to use, and how to shield it.
I don’t recall any battery fires in the space program.
Low bid never works out, does it? They have not saved a penny by picking the cheapest battery.

Jan 18, 2013 7:50am EST  --  Report as abuse
Jason_Lung wrote:

The Chevy Volt battery is made by LG Chem. Not A123.

Jan 18, 2013 7:54am EST  --  Report as abuse
Jason_Lung wrote:

The Chevy Volt battery is made by LG Chem. Not A123.

It’s a big deal in the auto industry, and falsely blaming Chevy Volt issues on A123 doesn’t help a company that’s already in trouble.

Jan 18, 2013 8:00am EST  --  Report as abuse
BlueOkie wrote:

Fly the friendly skies if you dare, just don’t do it on a 787

Jan 18, 2013 9:31am EST  --  Report as abuse
niche wrote:

Given the frequency of the battery overheating, it is impossible that Boeing engineers and their management did not know the problem in the testing process. I believe that there is a cover-up so that Boeing could start selling this model that was already behind schedule by 3 years.
As part of this investigation, the US and Japanese governments must find out what Boeing and GS Yuasa knew about the problem and how they decided it was supposed to be fixed.

Jan 18, 2013 11:20am EST  --  Report as abuse
WJL wrote:

@Yamayoko

Your phone charger was made in China.

Jan 18, 2013 3:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JonHarrison wrote:

Everywhere I have been been reading that the Lithium Ion batteries were chosen over safer Nickel Metal Hydride type to save weight. In one article data was given on the batteries that let me calculate the weight savings: it’s a mere 62 pounds per plane. There must be a better reason for using these potentially dangerous devices and I would like the press to report what it is.

Jan 18, 2013 4:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse

FAA & worldwide grounding all 787, going to cost Boeing about $1 Billion in Losses. Let’s do the maths:

About 50 Boeing 787 delivered thus far All Nippon 17, Japan Airlines 7, United Airlines 6, Qatar Airways 5, Air India 5, Ethiopian Airlines 4, LAN Airlines 3, LOT Polish Airlines 2.

787 seats about 290 passengers , just say an average ticket cost $1,000

Per 787 Money Earned Per Day = 250 seats x $1,000 x 2 Trips = $500,000 Per Day
Thus, 50 Planes will Cost Boeing Per Day = $500,000 x 50 = $25,000,000 Per Day

And it looks like this matter might take 1 month before 787 in the air again, let say 2 weeks for the engineers to fix problem and manufacturer new batteries, then FAA take 2 weeks to test and approve battery.

Thus, 50 Planes will Cost Boeing Per Month = $25,000,000 x 30 Days = $750,000,000 Per Month

All these airlines may sue Boeing for loss of business and compensation, running an airline not cheap you have to pay salaries, airspace etc In addition, this loss revenue will result in these airline with lost profit example united airlines stock dropped 3% and bad for investors & board.

Harwood Feffer LLP is investigating potential claims against the board of directors of the Boeing Company , concerning whether the board has breached its fiduciary duties to shareholders. Looking at roughly $250,000,000

Thus, TOTAL LOSSES FOR BOEING = $750,000,000 + $250,000,000 = $1 BILLION

Jan 18, 2013 5:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
pbgd wrote:

The first question is: Who made the batteries? And the second question remains: Is is really such a good idea to employ hundreds of manufacturers to make the parts for a single plane?

Jan 18, 2013 7:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
eddo wrote:

GS Yausa manufactured the batteries and Thales supplied the battery control systems. I’ve seen what happens when a battery is overcharged and it looks very similar to the photo of this battery pack. I’m wondering if charger power regulation might be the problem.

Jan 19, 2013 11:24am EST  --  Report as abuse
GarryGR wrote:

“The 787, a leap in aircraft design, has been plagued by cost overruns and years of delays, though orders last year helped Boeing overtake rival Airbus as the world’s largest manufacturer of passenger jets”.

This is the 3rd time I’ve read that 787 orders helped Boeing overtake Airbut (for the year 2012). Boeing had a net of minus 11 “787″ orders last year.

Jan 19, 2013 8:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
GarryGR wrote:

Boeing had a net of minus 11 “787″ order last year.

Jan 19, 2013 8:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
GarryGR wrote:

Boeing had a net of minus 11 “787″ order last year.

Jan 19, 2013 8:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
GarryGR wrote:

Boeing had a net of minus 11 “787″ order last year.

Jan 19, 2013 8:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
GarryGR wrote:

Boeing had a net of minus 11 “787″ order last year.

Jan 19, 2013 8:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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