Republicans seek three-month debt limit increase, Senate budget

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Burns0011 wrote:

Until the *SENATE* passes a budget? Hell no. The responsibility of originating a budget starts in the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

The President makes a budget request. The House does not do an up or down vote, no, it modifies the budget request and then votes on it to pass it to the Senate. The Senate then modifies the budget and sends it back to the House.

The streamlining process happens when the Senate makes a budget based on the President’s budget request, and then the House and Senate bills are reconciled in a negotiation, then sent to the House to get an up or down vote, then returned to the Senate for another up or down vote, THEN finally sent to the President to be signed into law.

At NO point does the House wait for the SENATE to originate the budget.

Jan 18, 2013 1:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Burns0011 wrote:

In short, this is the Speaker trying to dodge the responsibilities and duties of the House of Representatives, on behalf of his party. It is a reprehensible action that speaks strongly of the inability of the Republican party to assist in governing the country.

Jan 18, 2013 1:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MikeyLikesIt wrote:

@ Burns0011

“The United States House Committee on the Budget and the United States Senate Committee on the Budget then draft a budget resolution. Following the traditional calendar, both committees finalize their draft resolution by early April and submit it to their respective floors for consideration and adoption.”

It took me less than 2 minutes to look this up. The Senate has not even PROPOSED a budget in 4 years. Meanwhile the house has sent a budget to the Senate every year per the rules and Senate leader Harry Reid has refused to even bring the bill to the Senate floor EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

You’re in the wrong here. The Senate couldn’t even propose a budget when they had a supermajority and the democrats couldn’t pass a budget when the had 2 years of complete control of congress and the presidency. What does that say about them?

But you keep on blaming Republicans if it makes you feel better. The fiscal grown ups in the room know what is actually going on.

Jan 18, 2013 1:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote: have to understand..Boehner is between a rock and a hard place. He has all those Tea Party wings nuts he can’t control. He couldn’t even get them to agree to his proposal last month on taxes. He’s tried getting Obama to propose spending cuts and now the Senate to originate a budget…those dogs just won’t hunt. It has to be really really embarrassing to be a dyed in the wool Republican these days. They are the poster kids of dysfunctional.

Jan 18, 2013 1:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MKM23 wrote:


Just because the House makes a budget does not make it a reliable and efficient budget. I am sure 95% of it was garbage.

Jan 18, 2013 1:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AZWarrior wrote:

No budget, no deals.

Jan 18, 2013 1:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
smit1610 wrote:

Very smart move. This will put the focus on our spending problem and force dems in real cuts. Very, very smart. You will see that the problem in Washington is Obama and the left wing of the democratic party.

Jan 18, 2013 1:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
smit1610 wrote:

Very smart move. This will put the focus on our spending problem and force dems in real cuts. Very, very smart. You will see that the problem in Washington is Obama and the left wing of the democratic party.

Jan 18, 2013 1:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jaham wrote:

I like this approach. I say they should just keep extending it by three months and continue to call for spending cuts every time.

Even if Obama and the Dems continually refuse to make cuts, it will clearly demonstrate their intransigence.

Jan 18, 2013 1:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jaham wrote:

@MKM23….as was Obama’s most recent budget proposal that was shot down in the DEMOCRATIC CONTROLLED SENATE 99-0….

Jan 18, 2013 2:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jaham wrote:

Oh, how I wish we had THIS Barrack Obama as President:

“Mr. President, I rise today to talk about America’s debt problem. The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our government’s reckless fiscal policies. Over the past five years, our federal debt has increased by $3.5 trillion to $8.6 trillion. That is ‘‘trillion’’ with a ‘‘T.’’ That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers. And over the next five years, between now and 2011, the president’s budget will increase the debt by almost another $3.5 trillion. Numbers that large are sometimes hard to understand. Some people may wonder why they matter. Here is why: This year, the federal government will spend $220 billion on interest. That is more money to pay interest on our national debt than we’ll spend on Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. That is more money to pay interest on our debt this year than we will spend on education, homeland security, transportation and veterans benefits combined. It is more money in one year than we are likely to spend to rebuild the devastated gulf coast in a way that honors the best of America. And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and states of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health-care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on. Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America’s priorities. Instead, interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans — a debt tax that Washington doesn’t want to talk about. If Washington were serious about honest tax relief in this country, we would see an effort to reduce our national debt by returning to responsible fiscal policies. But we are not doing that. Despite repeated efforts by Senators Conrad and Feingold, the Senate continues to reject a return to the commonsense pay-go rules that used to apply. Previously, pay-go rules applied both to increases in mandatory spending and to tax cuts. The Senate had to abide by the commonsense budgeting principle of balancing expenses and revenues. Unfortunately, the principle was abandoned, and now the demands of budget discipline apply only to spending. As a result, tax breaks have not been paid for by reductions in Federal spending, and thus the only way to pay for them has been to increase our deficit to historically high levels and borrow more and more money. Now we have to pay for those tax breaks plus the cost of borrowing for them. Instead of reducing the deficit, as some people claimed, the fiscal policies of this administration and its allies in Congress will add more than $600 million in debt for each of the next five years. That is why I will once again co-sponsor the pay-go amendment and continue to hope that my colleagues will return to a smart rule that has worked in the past and can work again. Our debt also matters internationally. My friend, the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, likes to remind us that it took 42 presidents 224 years to run up only $1 trillion of foreign-held debt. This administration did more than that in just five years. Now, there is nothing wrong with borrowing from foreign countries. But we must remember that the more we depend on foreign nations to lend us money, the more our economic security is tied to the whims of foreign leaders whose interests might not be aligned with ours. Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”

- Senator Obama , March 16th, 2006

Jan 18, 2013 2:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
uc8tcme wrote:

Why have the GOP (including smit1610) keep stating that Obama is the problem on the budget. He can only spend what is authorized and given to him. As my last post said – the GOP has spent the last four years vilifying him so much that they could not even do their jobs.

But I will give the GOP some credit – their retreat helped them get re-focused and deal with Obama and the Dems without throwing slurs and passing blame.

Breakout the popcorn, now this will be interesting.

PS the markets should respond positively to this news.

Jan 18, 2013 2:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
tatman wrote:

can we make the pay freeze retroactive, back to 2008 when this congress began its deplorable dereliction of duty on the largest scale since congress’ conception? while we’re at it, let’s stop these criminals from receiving lifetime benefits and the poshest health care that no other American can obtain. NO WORK=NO PAY. and they’ve done far less work than any congress in history. I’d say we go to a public rating=pay scale system. every year their approval rating falls below 50%, they receive a comparable cut in pay as a penalty for their poor performance… then, if no improvement, TERMINATION. i can’t think of any other job in America where you continue to get pay raises, perks and benefits when you willfully defy the will of your employer (in this case, the American people) and don’t accomplish even your most basic responsibilities.

Jan 18, 2013 2:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Timbuk3 wrote:

As long as the house paychecks are also tied to it. This will be fun, to watch them not collect paychecks for 6 years.
Seriously, they should pass a 5 year debt ceiling increase and go back to work on a budget that both houses can support. Instead of pontificating and “sending a message”, compromise and get it done please.

Jan 18, 2013 2:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jaham wrote:

@uc8tcme…smit1610 didn’t say just Obama was the problem he said “Obama and the left wing of the democratic party” is….

The Republican controlled House has passed a budget every year Obama has been in office.

The Democrat controlled Senate has not passed a budget since April 29th, 2009

Jan 18, 2013 2:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BoLee1971 wrote:

People should read the entire article before making knee-jerk reaction comments. He isn’t saying the Senate has to come up with a new budget. If you actually read the entire article, it quotes him directly as saying, “If the Senate or House fails to pass a budget in that time, members of Congress will not be paid by the American people for failing to do their job. No budget, no pay,” he said on the last day of a House Republican retreat in Williamsburg.” That means either the Senate or the House.

Come on Democrats, why didn’t you suggest not getting paid if you didn’t do your job?

Jan 18, 2013 2:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rkirchem wrote:

Current score: Obama 2, House 0

Jan 18, 2013 2:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse

The Repubs have finally taken a long range look at the needs of the country and are now ready to vote yes on the debt ceiling for 90 days. That’s really looking forward. It’s simple, simpletons, pass the debt ceiling now and then sit down and discuss the debt reduction. Work out what is to be cut besides the pensions, welfare, medical, etc. How about the billions in subsidies to the oil companies, grants to the NRA, defence contracts for planes not needed, subsidies to corporation farms for not growing crops, etc. Just do the job. Stop looking for opportunities to stop the “Black Man” in office. Your racist blockade is hurting the country.

Jan 18, 2013 2:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Speaker2 wrote:

Raising the debt, just means paying for government programs that have already been signed into law by Congress. This has nothing to do with budget cuts or budgets, Apples & Oranges.

The budget problem goes back to little Bush. Two un-funded wars, massive tax cuts, expansion of new departments, such as Homeland security and un-regulated home finance got us into this mess.

It will take a lot more than basic program cuts to get out of this, eventually Congress like it or not will have to raise taxes.

Jan 18, 2013 2:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
johnwayland wrote:

I want to see this on the NEWS !!!

Jan 18, 2013 2:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
uc8tcme wrote:

@ jaham – Get your facts right. Obama’s only budget was rejected (which submitting budgets is not his responsibility and it was only done on a practicality) and that was 3 years ago (not recently). No annual budget have been passed since 2007. As the guys stated in the first posts – the budget originates in the Congress.

Jan 18, 2013 2:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
NYSweetie wrote:

BURNS0011: You’re completely misinformed. Under the 1974 Congressional Budget Act, the Senate is required to produce a budget through the Budget Committee by April 1 of every year and adopt a budget resolution on the floor by April 15. It also cannot be filibustered and so just needs 51 votes to pass.

Jan 18, 2013 2:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
syfyguy wrote:

It’s amazing how many of you are so duped by the GOP. First off, the reason the Senate has never passed a budget is because it requires 60 votes, meaning a few Republicans, and as we’ve seen with the obstruction of the last 4 years, the GOP will not vote for ANYTHING the Dems propose, regardless of what it is. The reason the Senate shoots down the House budget is because their budget consistently wipes out Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and Welfare, all while drastically increasing defense spending. The biggest lie though that you conservatives fall for is the “spending is the problem”. If you did the slightest research, you will see that Obama has the LOWEST spending record in 60 years! That’s Dems and Reps! Actually Obama and Clinton are the ONLY two presidents in the last 40 years to have DECREASED the deficit. Borrowing from other countries has dramatically dropped thanks to Obama, and the deficit we have now is due to outstanding war loans Bush made, and have almost nothing to do with Obama. What the GOP does is everytime they are in power, they give giant tax cuts. They do this on purpose in order to create a deficit, which they then claim is because of “out-of-control spending”, even though spending has stayed the same or even decreased. They call this “starving the beast”, and it is a tactic the GOP has used for decades. It’s time to wake up people! Instead of watching Fox News, do your own research, and stop infecting everyone else with your self-imposed ignorance!

Jan 18, 2013 2:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MikeyLikesIt wrote:


Then by all means, bring the bill to the floor for a vote! If it is truly garbage then you would think Reid would want to expose it as such to say “Look here! The Republicans aren’t even taking this seriously.” Instead he is causing absolute gridlock by refusing to take House bills up for debate.


Sorry friend but you’re wrong. The president DOES have to submit a budget, it just doesn’t have to be used in the overal budget process if congress doesn’t want to include it.

“Congressional consideration of the federal budget begins once the President of the United States submits a budget request, which is formulated over a period of months with the assistance of the Office of Management and Budget, the largest office within the Executive Office of the President.”

And every year Obama has been late with his budgets (Which is breaking the law.)

Instead of trying to point fingers and pass blame, why don’t the democrats take the budget process seriously? Get together with your own party if you refuse to work with Republicans and hammer out a damn budget already!

If you do that and the House refuses to work with you, THEN you can say that the Republicans are obstructionists. Until then you are only the Pot calling the Kettle black.

Jan 18, 2013 3:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mainetke wrote:

NO! No more playing around with the economy. The Congress has an obligation to pay its bills. This is not more than politics Again! The debt ceiling needs to be fixed permanently. They need to stop playing around, and pass a balanced budget amendment. Go through regular order and send it to the President to be signed. If they did their job and the President VETO’s the budget they should have the votes to override! The Left only wants to “raise revenue”…. The Right only wants to “cut entitlements”. Regular order, open to the publis will show who is doing what, and who is getting favors.

No one is blameless, but holding the economy of the UNited States is NOT GOING TO FLY ANYMORE!!!

Jan 18, 2013 3:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

MikeyLikesit is right uc8tcme,,,the quote below is from page 4 of Paul Ryan’s “Path to Prosperity” version 3.0 2013. Furthermore, the Budget is strictly between the House and Senate. The final version does not go to the President for either signature or veto.


Article I of the U.S. Constitution grants Congress the power to appropriate funds from the Treasury, pay the obligations of and raise revenue for the federal government, and publish statements and accounts of all financial transactions.

In addition, the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Act of 1974 requires Congress to write a budget each year representing its plan to carry out these transactions in the forthcoming fiscal years. While the President is required to propose his administration’s budget requests for Congress’s consideration, Congress alone is responsible for writing the laws that raise revenues, appropriate funds, and prioritize taxpayer dollars within an overall federal budget.”

Jan 18, 2013 3:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jaham wrote:

@flashrooster said: “3 months! More proof that the Republicans are trying desperately hard to sink our economy.”

All the Senate has to do is pass a budget and they’ll raise it for a longer period….is that too much to ask?

Or do you enjoy the fact that the Senate hasn’t passed a budget since April 29th, 2009?

Jan 18, 2013 3:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MikeyLikesIt wrote:


Give it a break, man. You’re embarrasing yourself.

These kinds of hate filled rants only signify that you have no idea what you’re talking about and that you are so blinded by your hatred that you don’t CARE about your ignorance.

Jan 18, 2013 3:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ZackShoemaker wrote:

The right answer, for all the wrong reasons. They need time to budget, both sides of Congress, and our White House. But they should have already used that time, but they keep throwing blame, and passing the responsibility along, saying we can’t cut spending, and we have to borrow more. Let’s see the president’s 2 dozen proposed ways to help do that.

Jan 18, 2013 3:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
misterjag wrote:

Finally, the House Republicans are acting like grown ups.

Jan 18, 2013 3:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
syfyguy wrote:

@MikeyLikeslt – I think you might want to do a bit of actual research instead of watching Fox News or visiting that website Paul Lyin Ryan runs. The reason the Senate has not passed a budget is extremely simple: they need 60 votes. In other words, they need at least a few Reps. As we’ve seen the last four years, the GOP is unwilling to vote for ANYTHING the Dems propose. Have you not been paying attention to the record number of filibusters by the GOP? The reality is that the House HAS refused to work with Dems on ANYTHING! And the idea that our problem is “spending” is the biggest lie. Do some research. See how much less Obama has spent compared to EVERY other president in the last 60 years! The GOP spouts these lies every time. They create the issue with sweeping tax cuts, almost always causing a recession, then blame the Dems for spending, even though spending has not changed.

Jan 18, 2013 3:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

MikeyLikesit..of course Paul Ryan’s “Path to Prosperity” version 3.0 2013 IS the House’s Budget proposal for 2013. It’s unworkable. It eliminates Capital Gains and Dividend taxes, gives the richest in this country another HUGE tax break, INCREASES Defense spending and the only cuts are to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. The EXACT same platform that Romney/Ryan ran on. How successful was that….they couldn’t even carry their own home States. Romney/Ryan lost in Massachusetts (were Romney was Governor) by 23 percentage points. Lost in Michigan (where Romney was born) by 10 percentage points. And lost in Wisconsin (where Ryan is a sitting Congressman in the House) by 7 percentage points.

Jan 18, 2013 3:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Stick_Monkey wrote:

Another game show from the House majority.

These folks don’t have a clue.

Jan 18, 2013 3:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bfstk wrote:

House Republicans remind me of Inspector Clousseau—idiots. The debt ceiling needs to be extended for several years so that the markets are unrattled or we will pay a heavy price for the perception that the US House is composed of deadbeats and the credit of the US will fall costing us more money and jobs. Really, these infantile Representative remind us of high school pranksters unaware their actions may have badly profound consequences. The debt ceiling isn’t the vehicle to argue over spending that is appropriations. Anyway the American people are fed up with congress and the GOP will take another big hit except from states where the median educational level is 8th grade or less and people avoid reading because it hurts their batting eye… oops that was someone I’d rather not name on the old NY Mets.

Jan 18, 2013 3:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MikeyLikesIt wrote:


Wow, a democrat blaming Bush for our problems? HOW ORIGINAL. Too bad you’re wrong.

The last budget approved by the Republican held congress and George W. Bush as president is as follows:

Total revenue $2.57 trillion
Total expenditures $2.73 trillion
Deficit $161 billion

The “budget” for 2012 under the democrat senate (where ALL spending bills must originate) and president Obama is as follows:

Total revenue $2.627 trillion (requested)
$2.469 trillion (enacted)

Total expenditures $3.729 trillion (requested)
$3.796 trillion (enacted)

Deficit $1.101 trillion (requested)
$1.327 trillion (enacted)

Of course this can’t be 100% confirmed because the democrats haven’t passed a budget in 4 years. But still, look at these numbers. Revenue has been roughly the same from 2006 to 2012, yet spending has increased by 1.066 TRILLION dollars. This is an increase of deficit spending of over 800%!!

We do not have a revenue problem. We have a SPENDING problem.

All of these numbers are direct from the website.

Jan 18, 2013 3:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jamr wrote:

hatched at a House Republican retreat – and WHO paid for this??? They just got back from holiday recess, are doing nothing until after inauguration and needed a retreat! I think most should have their pay taken away permantely!

Jan 18, 2013 3:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jaham wrote:

xyz2055….good point; let’s just keep with the status quo until our impending debt crisis implodes…seems logical.

It’s easy to point the finger of blame, critique and pick parts of a plan you don’t like, especially when you’ve put forth no plan yourself.

Jan 18, 2013 3:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Dragos111 wrote:

Time to kick the can down the road even farther.

Come on Congress, start tackling the spending problem!

Jan 18, 2013 3:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
URNSO wrote:

Finally a good idea from DC. Maybe there is hope for the GOP after all.

Jan 18, 2013 3:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
URNSO wrote:

xyz, it is interesting that you know what is in a budget that doesn’t even exist yet.

Jan 18, 2013 3:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
URNSO wrote:

bfstk, by your logic we could continure defict spending to infinity and it would have no effect on economy. my 7 yo old son have a better understanding ofd economics.

Jan 18, 2013 3:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
foggysail wrote:

If the following quote is correct–

“If the Senate or House fails to pass a budget in that time, members of Congress will not be paid by the American people for failing to do their job. No budget, no pay,” he said on the last day of a House Republican retreat in Williamsburg.”

then the Republicans have screwed up again!!!

Consider if the house passes a budget and the senate fails to do so under Reed, they all get their pay. This appears to be poorly worded, poorly thought out.

Jan 18, 2013 3:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

jaham…the Budget process is a give and take between the House and the Senate. The House plan (Path to Prosperity) is so far off the reservation that there’s really nothing to say about it except “NO”!!! The Senate refuses to even entertain that plan and the American people RESOUNDINGLY voted it down in this last election. Three years ago Boehner and Obama had a hand shake deal on approx. $4T in taxes and cuts (that were across the board). The Tea Party Republicans shot it down. Obama has put together 3 different bi-partisan committees to try and facilitate both parties coming together. The “Fiscal Cliff” is the result of the “Super Committee” that failed to agree on a measly $1.2T in cuts over 10 years. Boehner couldn’t even get the House Republicans together to approve a bill he offered in taxes last month. Blame Democrats and Obama if you will, but the Republicans in the House are in full bore implode.

Jan 18, 2013 3:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
syfyguy wrote:

@MikeyLikesIt – Those would be some scary numbers…if it wasn’t a blatant lie. Bush came into office with a $86 billion surplus, and the day he left we had a $642 billion deficit. Also what you fail to mention or are intentionally trying to lie about is that the increase in spending you mentioned occurred between 2006 and 2009, before Obama took office. That’s not even counting the $2 trillion in loan debt and interest on Bush’s loans that Obama then had to pay back. Where did all this spending come from? Defense. If you look at the ACTUAL record, instead of inventing one, you see how Obama has DECREASED spending by about half since he took office. This “over-spending” garbage is a lie the GOP has been spewing for over a century. You have not a shred of proof, because Fox News and Tea are not credible sources.

Jan 18, 2013 3:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote: GW’s last fiscal year as President the deficit was more than $1T….

Jan 18, 2013 3:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse

To Burns0011

The house has passed numerous budgets as illustrated by the above excerpt: “The Senate has not passed a formal budget resolution in nearly four years, while the House has passed budgets that have died in the Senate.”
Thus, the senate hasn’t proposed a budget after the House has passed their budget and sent to the Senate for their amending. The Senate (aka: Harry Reid) lets it languish without a vote.
I’m sure the House will pass their budget and send to him and he won’t do anything with it.

Jan 18, 2013 4:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:’s teh House Republican’s Budget “Proposal” for 2013..numyuk. Google it and read it for yourself…or should I cut and paste the address for you?

Jan 18, 2013 4:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
brotherkenny4 wrote:

It must suck being the politicians here at the end of the inflation/growth scam. However, that is where we are. There is no way to fake it from here. Sucks being you guys (and gals). And you all thought it was going to be a good way to line your own pockets. Well, you will still do that part, but that will just make what you are about to do to the rest of us that much more hideous and vile. Good luck to you “evil doers”.

Jan 18, 2013 4:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
tnazar wrote:

No Mr. Boehner – one year. 3 months just continues the absurdity. The Tea Party is irrelevant, ignore them, let their heads explode, let them lie on the floor and kick and scream like the toddlers they imitate. It’s time to grow up and join the President to govern our country.

Jan 18, 2013 4:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Eugene2012 wrote:

Memo to GOPee’rs: Pay up you deadbeats!

Jan 18, 2013 4:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RedBear57 wrote:

@Mikey: GW Bush and the Republicans were the ones that got us into this financial mess in the first place by first running off to fight an unnecessary and illegal war in Iraq without bothering to fund it. Secondly, they drove the car of the economy into the ditch by not reigning in the mortgage industry and Wall Street in general.

Now they say it is the Democratic party’s fault and the Democratic party is not fixing it fast enough? BullSpit!!!!!

Jan 18, 2013 4:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
sgreco1970 wrote:

John Boehner’s net worth is reported at 6 million dollars.

I don’t think he cares about his paycheck.

Jan 18, 2013 4:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

sjfella..BINGO!!!!! How the hell does a Congress with a 4% approval rating get voted back into office virtually in toto? OK I get that some of you bozos absolutely have to vote party line…but could you at least vote for the new guy in the primaries and get rid of the dead wood that’s been there for decades…Boehner, Reid, Pelosi, McConnell…just to name a few.

Jan 18, 2013 4:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Concernedcitz wrote:

Stop with the constant drama onthe debt ceiling and get it o ver with now. The country cannot keep enduring this uncertainty and the blame is going to the GOP so save yourself more negative publicity and just increase the debt ceiling. Then get on to the other financial matters.

Jan 18, 2013 4:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DaveEddleman wrote:


Ever taste any liberal kool-aid you didn’t like?

The House has been sending budget after budget for the past 4 years and the Senate refuses to vote on them.

This is the perfect answer. If ANY of these thieves in Congress want paid, they pass a budget. As the Dems control the Senate, let THEM make a budget that they will at least vote on, let alone for.

No spending cuts? Cutting ALL their paychecks should provide some savings.

Jan 18, 2013 4:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jaham wrote:

@xyz…nice spin, but I just wanted to inform you that the Senate Budget Committee can in fact propose their own budget resolution regardless of what the House Budget Committee has put forth.

Jan 18, 2013 4:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
beck162 wrote:

Lawmakers should be paid by the states they represent, not the American people as a whole. The pay should be different, as each state should be allowed to compensate its representatives as it sees fit. The fact that I live in Nevada and have fewer representatives than most other states doesn’t mean I should have to pay more (and by more, I mean the same as every other citizen) so that other states can influence more will. Also this temporary fix nonsense needs to come to an end, the budget should be invalid if it isn’t for an entire year. Also how is there not a balanced budget amendment? That is a no-brainer, you literally shouldn’t be allowed to spend more than you make unless it’s a “GENUINE” emergency.

Jan 18, 2013 4:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

DaveEddleman….please give us the details of any Budget the House has presented to the Senate in the past two years…and what you personally like about it. I’m an Independent by the way.

Jan 18, 2013 4:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
URNSO wrote:

I found it. Intersting.

Jan 18, 2013 4:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote: spin..just fact. Now, If you want to blame the Senate as well..I got no problem with that. Reid is an idiot. While the Republicans are malicious and un-cooperative…the Democrats in the Senate couldn’t find their backsides with a map, GPS and a guide dog. Absolutely worthless.

Jan 18, 2013 4:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
sjfella wrote:

People, people, people. You continue voting for those bozos. What’s wrong?

Jan 18, 2013 4:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
syfyguy wrote:

To all those who keep complaining about the Senate not taking up the House budget proposal…have you even looked at the House budget proposals? They are a joke. Last year’s “Path to Poverty…I mean “Prosperity”" House budget gave even more giant tax cuts to the super rich, totally guts Medicaid, privatizes Medicare with vouchers, wipes out welfare, steals from Social Security, and drastically increases the war budget. Why is it so hard to understand why the Senate is against it when the election showed us AMERICA is against it?

Jan 18, 2013 4:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MikeyLikesIt wrote:

Typical response from the liberals. “Fox news this and Bush’s fault that.”

Here we go:


You call my number a lie and then try to say the Clinton had a budget surplus. Bear in mind AGAIN, that congress writes the budgets. So who had control of congress at that time? Oh yeah! REPUBLICANS. Even then that so called surplus was smoke and mirrors. Money was taken from the Social Security fund to plug the deficits.

@ xyz2055 & RedBear57

AGAIN, CONGRESS writes the budgets. Not the President. Right? Who controlled congress starting in January 2007? DEMOCRATS! Who refused to listen to Bush when he was asking that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac be audited? DEMOCRATS! Who wrote the Community Reinvestement Act which forced banks to lend to high risk minorities in the name of fairness? DEMOCRATS!

My numbers above which some call false are directly from government websites. THESE ARE FACTS! Now either argue with facts or take your ball and go home. Simply saying “HURRR Unfunded wars! Tax cuts for the rich!” only makes you look stupid in the face of facts.

Jan 18, 2013 5:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

URNSO..the CBO (the bi-partisan arm of Congress that provides the analysis for all congressional bills) characterized “Path” as long on promise and short on specifics. Paul Ryan makes the INSANE argument that as a percentage of GDP we just aren’t spending enough on Defense. No particular area…just throw more money at Defense. We already spend 48% of what the entire world spends on Defense and 9 times more than Chine (#2 in Defense Budgets). While we are running $1T + deficits. Free your mind..research this stuff..the Democrats are not perfect. But the Republicans are crazy!

Jan 18, 2013 5:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

Mikeylikesit…if you want to take sides in this argument..go for it. But you are on a fool’s errand. Here are the facts..dispute them if you will. In 2000 when GW and the Republican’s took office we had a $5T debt and an annual deficit of $18B. Republicans had control of Congress for 6 of the 8 years Bush was in office (last two were Democratic). When Obama took office in 2009 we were in debt more than $11T and had an annual deficit of more than $1T. Obama and the Democrats are far far from perfect…but what GW and the Republicans did to our economy from 2000 to 2006 is unprecedented. Spent money like drunken sailors. The funding bills for the two wars are legendary. The pork was so massive that even John McCain took his fellow Republicans to task.

Jan 18, 2013 5:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

Mikey….Clinton is responsible for the crazy loans that Countrywide and the like made that set up the financial disaster that occurred in 2007. Wall Street didn’t help. JPMorgan invented the Credit Default Swap (Buffett called them “Financial Weapons of Mass Destruction”) that took those sub prime loans, packaged them and sold them to an unsuspecting public. The premise was to give minorities more access to buying their own homes. But who had control of Congress in the Clinton years that wrote those laws…….Republicans.

Jan 18, 2013 5:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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