Analysis: In speech, Obama pushes activist government and takes on far right

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bates148 wrote:

Inauguration 2009 vs. 2013

Gallon of gas 1/20/2009: $1.84
Gallon of gas 1/20/2013: $3.26

Unemployment rate 1/20/2009: 7.8%
Unemployment rate 1/20/2013: 7.8%

Estimated welfare spending as of 1/20/2009: $563 billion
Estimated welfare spending as of 1/20/2013: $1.03 trillion

Number of Americans on food stamps 1/20/2009: 34 million
Number of Americans on food stamps 1/20/2013: 47.5 million

Average monthly premium for individual health policies 1/20/1009: $161
Average monthly premium for individual health policies 1/20/1009: $184

Median household income in America adjusted for inflation 1/20/2009: $52,195
Median household income in America adjusted for inflation 1/20/2013: $50,054

Number of American soldiers killed in Afghanistan as of 1/20/2009: 630
Number of American soldiers killed in Afghanistan as of 1/20/2013: 1324

US national debt as of 1/20/2009: $10 trillion
US national debt as of 1/20/2013: $16.4 trillion

Social Security income/deficits as of 1/20/2009: SURPLUS of roughly $4 billion
Social Security income/deficits as of 1/20/2013: DEFICIT of roughly $20 billion

Sources:

CNN. http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/26/news/economy/gas_prices_sink/index.htm.
U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. http://www.bls.gov/bls/unemployment.htm.
U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA). http://www.bea.gov/national/index.htm#personal.
U.S. Department of Agriculture Food & Nutrition Service. http://www.fns.usda.gov/fns/
U.S. Department of the Treasury. http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm.
National Center for Health Statistics. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/.
iCasualties: Operation Enduring Freedom. http://icasualties.org/oef/

Jan 22, 2013 2:25am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

@bates148

It is so cute, the way you right-wingers copy-and-paste each others posts…

http://forum.palmettofootballtalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=28995&p=362180

http://conservativeblogger.tumblr.com/post/41133072321/inauguration-day-facts

It is so much easier than thinking for yourself, right?

Jan 22, 2013 4:07am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

What makes it really funny – you all copy and paste the typo! Which proves that none of you actually check the thing before posting it…

“Average monthly premium for individual health policies 1/20/*1009*: $161
Average monthly premium for individual health policies 1/20/*1009*: $184″

Jan 22, 2013 4:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
hotmess wrote:

No, what’s really funny is that when liberals can’t refute the argument, they attack the messenger.

Jan 22, 2013 5:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
tmc wrote:

Reuters, The President of the United State, no matter who is in office at the time, is NEVER an activist. I’m ashamed of you for printing it and think far less of your staff as well. One of the very unfortunate things that has occurred as generations change and blend is the lack of respect for the office. I don’t care if you like him or not, or if you’re one of those old racists, but he is the president and “WE” should demand respect for him. The media should be ashamed of itself for not only letting this happen, but encouraging it and setting the example.
We will not be able to lead the world again if we can’t even respect our own leaders.
Please, no more titles with the word Obama unless you include “president” in front of it. Or more approximately, please call him Mr. President. Until he dies too, like we did for all of the previous presidents.

Jan 22, 2013 5:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
tmc wrote:

I think this disrespecting the office actually began with President Clinton. George H. W. Bush was the last “Statesmen” and last respected president. Seems that way to me anyways.

Jan 22, 2013 6:04am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

hotmess wrote:
“No, what’s really funny is that when liberals can’t refute the argument, they attack the messenger.”

There is no argument to refute.

Jan 22, 2013 6:35am EST  --  Report as abuse
stoneon wrote:

Activist Obama is a pretty good description. Call him what he is. Refrain from bowing down to this man or any other. That’s how Hitler came to power, blind trust.

Jan 22, 2013 6:37am EST  --  Report as abuse
BlakeJ2 wrote:

It’s particularaly annoying when conservatives keep labeling Social Security and Medicare as “entitlements,” as though they are government handouts. They are not. Medicare is insurance and Social Security is a retirement fund, and I’ve been paying into both every month for over 35 years. I expect something back from them when I retire. If you conservatives want to get rid of SS and Medicare, I suggest you get your checkbooks out and refund all my premiums and those of everyone else who have paid into them. If you can’t afford that, maybe you should start managing these programs better and quit raiding them for your pet pork projects slipped into legitimate bills.

Jan 22, 2013 6:55am EST  --  Report as abuse

To quote an old song from The Police: “Poets, priests, and politicians have words to thank for their positions; words that scream for your submission; and no one’s jamming their transmission…” A true leader has the ability to pull groups of split opinions together to accomplish a common goal. We’ll see if anything actually gets accomplished beyond words.

Jan 22, 2013 6:56am EST  --  Report as abuse
GLK wrote:

Is this really the leadership that YOU wanted? Really?

Jan 22, 2013 7:06am EST  --  Report as abuse
tmc wrote:

@stoneon, there is a difference between respect and bowing down to someone. If you don’t know the difference you should really consider getting some counseling.
I also said respect the office, not the person. Otherwise we will continue to render the office less and less capable with each new “guy”.

Jan 22, 2013 7:11am EST  --  Report as abuse
justinolcb wrote:

this is the worst administration in US history, as well as the greatest embarrassment and most incompetent – the ideals of Martin Luther King, Jr are exactly opposite of Obama – the “dream” became a nightmare when he was elected! Socialism = slavery, it hasn’t worked in Europe, South America, nor Asia – maybe someone can make it work on the South Pole ;)

Jan 22, 2013 7:27am EST  --  Report as abuse
NJ989 wrote:

Regardless of how utterly destructive Obama and his Democrat handlers are for the US, he will end up at the top of any rankings made by “professional” historians. Academics understand that, at least when it comes to analyzing those produced by the Democrat Party, their role is not to be historians but to be hagiographers. The hagiographers of Obama will no doubt have a tremendously difficult task, but they have one advantage that will allow them to score Obama at the top. Anyone with the temerity to speak the truth about the damage done to the nation Obama was elected to lead will simply be denounced as a racist. Self-censorship will ensure that the assessment of this administration will be entirely one sided. Every piece of “history” written will be as fawning as the writings of Schlesinger about FDR.

Jan 22, 2013 9:00am EST  --  Report as abuse
r.felder wrote:

All the reports keep saying that Obama only raised taxes on the wealthy. However, my social security withholding (tax) went up 2% starting in 2013 and am NOT wealthy. This tax went up for EVERYONE because of a part of the fiscal cliff deal the president signed that ended a reduction in this tax. So…. taxes went up for everyone. Check your paycheck to see how many thousands per year you won’t have anymore.

Jan 22, 2013 9:06am EST  --  Report as abuse
sylvan wrote:

“Far less certain is how Obama might follow through on his pledge to address climate change in a significant way.”
My guess would be eliminate drilling subsidies for big oil, institute a carbon tax, and invest in green energy sources; all of which he has said he supported, or done, at one time or another. I hope US quickly catches up to the countries leading the way in abating carbon pollution. I hope he uses his bully pulpit to also promotes ideas, like “Meatless Mondays” which would also have health benefits. So many ways to contribute to a solution now that the Feds are clearly on board. I am sure the Kochs had a rotten, no good, awful, terribly bad day yesterday; which is great news for the rest of us.

Jan 22, 2013 9:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
TimoB wrote:

justinolcb – you don’t know what Socialism is dude. And just because you don’t agree with President Obama’s policies does not mean that they are effective, competent and needed.

GLK – Yep! I voted for a man who can lead this country and take on difficult issues like gun safety.

hotmess – you are not making any argument, just listing random facts. Do you think we are better off than we were in 2009? As a small business owner, I know we are much better off.

Reuters – the republicans are not trying to gut social security and medicare because of the deficit. They are wanting to weaken or destroy these successful social programs because they benefit the poor and do not make millionaires richer.

Jan 22, 2013 9:21am EST  --  Report as abuse
Redford wrote:

Takes on ‘far right’? To him everything is far right.

Jan 22, 2013 9:23am EST  --  Report as abuse
GA_Chris wrote:

I’m obviously out of the loop on some things, but can someone tell me who was the nut job who started comparing Obama to Hitler? I’ve seen it all over and, knowing my history pretty well, i find it hilarious.

I’m a centrist independent, and neither party represents my views… I dislike the over dependance on welfare in the USA, be it by individuals or by corporates… it’s all hand outs for both groups… but when i listen to talk radio or fox, i just want to vote against the loonies who twist every fact in their way. MSNBC is not much better, but at least they don’t encourage scary behavior

Jan 22, 2013 9:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
Bobo_9 wrote:

Obama’s shown his socialist stripes throughout his life, & now he has no more elections to worry about so he’s pushing his agenda even more now.
He’s run up an added $6 trillion in new debt, & for the next few years we have trillion dollar deficits still coming.
Loser Liobs like Abula just don’t get it, they cannot grasp what this massive added debt has done to America.
Obama & his like have blatantly announced how they want to expand the welfare state, even to the point of near bankruptcy of our country.
On top of that he also has announced the priority to address global warming . . . the world community sees the U.S. role as needing us to give billions to the 3rd world countries who have been affected by the climate change. We do NOTR have the money, you ignorant Libs — we are the biggest debtor nation in the history of the world, & by the time Obama leaves office he will have run up more debt than all previous Presidents.
We are NOT the richest nation in the world, as we owe 16 trillion — we are broke, yet the Libs want to further drive us into the hole.
Obama has been the worst President in our history bar none, & it’s the Libs who fail to see that as they apparently have no concept of living within your means.

Jan 22, 2013 9:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
Bobo_9 wrote:

Added note – the worst polluting countries in the world today are China & India, both of which have said they won’t curtail their CO2 emmisions because it’s the West that created the problem, so they have the “right” to pollute for as long as it takes for their economies to catch up.
But the world expects the U.S. to kick-in billions or trillions to fix the 3rd world countries when we don’t have the money.
But Libs ignore facts.

Jan 22, 2013 9:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

NJ989 wrote:
“Regardless of how utterly destructive Obama and his Democrat handlers are for the US, he will end up at the top of any rankings made by “professional” historians”

The guy who fixed the Republican recession is destructive…

Care to explain how causing a recession is not destructive, but fixing it is? I would love to see that chain of reasoning.

Jan 22, 2013 9:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
Bobo_9 wrote:

Timo – Are we better off than in 2009 ?? NO, absolutley not.
Unemployment & the economy were the biggest problems facing us when Socialist Obama took office (& Yes, I do know what a Socialist is, & Yes Obama is one), yet his focus was on passing Obamacare, & it was 2.5 years into his 1st term when he made a speach announcing that he would focus now on getting people back to work.
Result is the unempoyment figure is unchanged from 4 years ago, underemployment is many times worse, average family income has dropped because the few jobs he has helped create are at lower income levels that what was lost.
But again, Libs like you fall in love only with words, & always seem to ignore the facts.

Jan 22, 2013 9:47am EST  --  Report as abuse
jertho wrote:

all these people posting numbers, why don’t you post Bush’s numbers? or Reagan? why is it acceptable for them to be 10 times worse?

“perhaps the tyranny you perceive is really just the sting of losing a democratic election” -John Stewart

Jan 22, 2013 9:54am EST  --  Report as abuse
justinolcb wrote:

TimoB – I live in Europe, I know full well what socialism is and the reality that it doesnt work and only leaves social distruction in its wake.
As for your “effective, competent and needed” policies..what are they? Obama’s only accomplishment has been Obamacare and large portions of it will never be realized because the costs cant even cover the government administration much less benifit anyone. Other than that, the repeal of dont ask dont tell?? That was an accompishment?? Really??

Jan 22, 2013 10:02am EST  --  Report as abuse
justinolcb wrote:

Wait – the recession is fixed??? What reality are you living in?? 21 million people are still unempolyed, no businesses are highering new employees nor are they starting new ventures and the national debt has continued to grow while you were reading this post… But you think Obama fixed the recession, ok and the ocean is dry and sweet.

Jan 22, 2013 10:06am EST  --  Report as abuse
Bobo_9 wrote:

jertho -
How were Bush or Reagan 10 times worse ??
Obama criticized the Bush administration for having run up $4 trillion in new debt over 8 years – Obama when he ran the 1st time called that irresponsible & almost un-American (look it up, those were Obama’s words back then).
So now Obama’s run up $6 trillion in new debt in only 4 years, with more trillions in debt to come based on his own estimates.
So how “un-American” is he ???
You Libs are incredible – you never let facts cloud your dream world.
The rest of us are stating facts, what a shame you’re unable to comprehend.

Jan 22, 2013 10:11am EST  --  Report as abuse
justinolcb wrote:

breaking news – http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/22/us-usa-economy-idUSBRE90E0KL20130122 says the housing market just dropped opps but Obama fixed the recession, yea right!!

Jan 22, 2013 10:17am EST  --  Report as abuse
jaham wrote:

@abulafish said: “It is so cute, the way you right-wingers copy-and-paste each others posts…”

Wow, I haven’t heard that bogus retort before…

The numbers remain the same regardless of whether the figures were copy and pasted….do you have a rebuttal, or just obscure deflection and to pretend as if the numbers are meaningless because they were derived from a reputable source?

Jan 22, 2013 10:33am EST  --  Report as abuse
jaham wrote:

@abulafish: “hotmess wrote:
“No, what’s really funny is that when liberals can’t refute the argument, they attack the messenger.”

There is no argument to refute.”

I’ll specifically articulate the argument since you can’t seem to recognize the implied one: We are worse off now than four years ago based on the cost of gas, unemployment, number of people needing welfare, food stamps, etc….

Jan 22, 2013 10:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
bates148 wrote:

@Abulafiah The truth hurts, doesn’t it?

Jan 22, 2013 10:38am EST  --  Report as abuse

The Conservatives went out for a leisurely drive one day in their Government car. They drove and drove until they became sleepy and unaware of their surroundings. After a while, they fell asleep at the wheel and crashed horribly mangling the car and causing great harm to the passengers and the surrounding areas.

People who saw the police report decided, in retrospect, that the driver was misled and acted irresponsibly. So the next time the people had a chance they selected a new driver. They chose freely and fairly, mainly because the previous driver was constitutionally prevented from asking to drive again, and elected a new driver for the Government car.

Immediately the Conservatives started complaining about the cost of repairs, the increase in the insurance rates, the cost to repair the ancillary damages caused by their wrecking the Government car. They blamed all the costs of fixing and returning to somewhat normal operating condition on the new driver. The wantonly called him names, sabotaged his attempts to repair anything and stood firmly in the way of getting the Government car out of the shop and rolling again. They blamed all of the “uninsured” drivers for the state of their car, all of the “car-free” people for asking to drive their own cars, complained about the lack of input on maintenance from 47% of the people whom they assumed just wanted a “free car”.

Not allowing facts to get in there way, the Conservatives continued to spend money, avoid responsibility ad blame others instead of just picking up a F%^$K*&^G hammer and starting to get to work fixing the damage they had help cause.

They found it easier to criticize and demonize any efforts to fix the problem citing the damage done to the economy from their own policies, and made the new driver responsible for the entirety of the cars history.

So the car is still missing, two quarter panels, a windshield, two of the four tires are mismatched sizes, the emergency brake is shot and the headlights point in different directions. All because they spend their time arguing over who has to pay for the repairs instead of just fixing the damn car.

Jan 22, 2013 10:40am EST  --  Report as abuse
Speaker2 wrote:

Amazing how people don’t understand, if Obama had not spent the 6-trillion, how bad things would of been. That six-trillion went into goods and services and kept the economy from completely tanking.

Money just does not disappear, all that money went to companies, people, chances are a company you worked for benefited.

Jan 22, 2013 10:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
jaham wrote:

abulafish: “The guy who fixed the Republican recession is destructive…”

Would you mind elaborating on how Republicans caused the recession?

Was it those pesky bush tax cuts that Obama extended and then made some 99.3% of permanent?

Or, was it the financial deregulation (Commodity Futures Modernization Act and GrammLeechBliely) signed into law by Clinton?

Perhaps it was due to Alan Greenspan and the independent Fed leaving rates too low for too long?

Please do enlighten us….

Jan 22, 2013 10:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
WintersWar wrote:

what far right is he taking on? there’s none left. are you talking about moderate republicans like boehner? ok, so he’s taking on moderates.

Jan 22, 2013 10:52am EST  --  Report as abuse
justinolcb wrote:

Yeah, Speaker2 companies like Solyndra who’s board members were Obama campaign funding bundlers – they got away with 1/2 billion tax-payer dollars that can and will never be repaid, and that’s supposed to be a good thing?
You’re absolutely right, the money didn’t just disappear, it was intentionally re-distributed according to the administrations preferences. GM will pay back 50% of their bailout at best, Chrysler has already paid in full – well, if you think 1/3 is full payment, however the Obama administration calculated their repayment as such. The 6 billion tally is borderline corruption and impeachable – the next 4 years may just avail that in deed!

Jan 22, 2013 10:58am EST  --  Report as abuse
jaham wrote:

With unemployment at the same rate as the first day Obama took office and an impending debt crisis that remains unabated, a focus on gay marriage and climate change is exactly what we need….thanks for focusing on the most pertinent issues facing America, dear “leader”….

Jan 22, 2013 11:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
justinolcb wrote:

hahah the gay polar bear coalition ahahaa

Jan 22, 2013 11:29am EST  --  Report as abuse
krimsonpage wrote:

Wow, whiner blog.

Jan 22, 2013 11:41am EST  --  Report as abuse
NJ989 wrote:

@ abulafish — The majority of your silliness is just the standard bile and invective that the Left specializes i, you’re not very coherent nor intelligent but you’re a leftist so I ‘ll grade you on a curve.

Jan 22, 2013 11:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
NJ989 wrote:

@ abulafish — The majority of your silliness is just the standard bile and invective that the Left specializes i, you’re not very coherent nor intelligent but you’re a leftist so I ‘ll grade you on a curve.

Jan 22, 2013 11:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
justinolcb wrote:

seems abulafish or whatever he calls himself has left the building…

Jan 22, 2013 11:55am EST  --  Report as abuse
js2012 wrote:

How did Reuters manage to get it right this time? They actually managed to put up a picture of Obama looking very evil or cunning. Maybe they made an honest mistake!

Jan 22, 2013 11:56am EST  --  Report as abuse
Speaker2 wrote:

@justinolcb: I just happen to be in the solar industry. Solyndra’s application was approved by Bush. The company happened to be first out of the gate. Most the funds they got went into construction of buildings, buying and installing equipment and they had 1000′s of employee’s. This means the money, yes was re-distributed to other parts of the economy. Solyndra was a victim of Darwin capitalism, the Chinese government invested 60-billion in solar and brought the cost of solar below what Solyndra could manufacturer for.

However I guess you get your mis-information ( I won’t call it news) from Fox and those talking heads.

Jan 22, 2013 12:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
smit1610 wrote:

Funny, he takes on the far right. The far right (the fiscal conservatives) who are concerned with the massive debt we are accumulating with no credible plan to reduce spending. If he is taking on the right who believe in fiscal discipline and balanced budgets, he is going to lose.

Jan 22, 2013 12:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
justinolcb wrote:

and somehow the founders end up sitting with Michelle during a State of the Union address?? How is that Bush’s falt that weeks later they go belly up??!!?? Was someone not telling Mr Wealth Re-distribution himself that the company wasnt solvent much less all that he was bragging to the world about??!!?? Come on Speaker you dont have a leg to stand on and you know it!

Jan 22, 2013 1:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
justinolcb wrote:

and somehow the founders end up sitting with Michelle during a State of the Union address?? How is that Bush’s falt that weeks later they go belly up??!!?? Was someone not telling Mr Wealth Re-distribution himself that the company wasnt solvent much less all that he was bragging to the world about??!!?? Come on Speaker you dont have a leg to stand on and you know it!

Jan 22, 2013 1:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

justinolcb wrote:
“Wait – the recession is fixed??? What reality are you living in??”

The one in which Obama has delivered near enough 3 years of straight growth. Let me guess… you are living in GOP reality in which growth is really recession?

Jan 23, 2013 5:00am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

@justincolcb… you do know that the recession ended in June, 2009, right? Or are all the economists wrong?

Jan 23, 2013 5:12am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

jaham wrote:
“@abulafish said: “It is so cute, the way you right-wingers copy-and-paste each others posts…”

Wow, I haven’t heard that bogus retort before…”

Of course you have, because you copy and paste too. It is a characteristic of the right-wing.

jaham wrote:
“We are worse off now than four years ago based on the cost of gas, unemployment, number of people needing welfare, food stamps, etc….”

That is an opinion, not an argument.

jaham wrote:
“Would you mind elaborating on how Republicans caused the recession?”

You keep asking this, I keep telling you how. You are so repetitive it is getting boring. Just go back and look at the answer I gave the last three times you trotted it out.

jaham wrote:
“was it the financial deregulation (Commodity Futures Modernization Act and GrammLeechBliely) signed into law by Clinton?”

Of course it wasn’t, and the fact that you suggest something so obviously wrong shows how little you know of economics. Even so, plain simple common sense says that something passed in 1999 would not remain neutral for half a decade and then suddenly start causing a recession.

What makes this even more hilarious is that Gramm, Leach, and Bliliey are all Republicans, and it was passed by Republican majority in both houses, so even if your idea that their act caused the recession were true, it would still be a Republican recession.

Great argument…

jaham wrote:
“Perhaps it was due to Alan Greenspan and the independent Fed leaving rates too low for too long?”

No. Not that either. You are really grasping at straws to blame anybody but your idols.

It is clearly not low interest rates, because the same low interest rates have delivered over three years of growth for Obama.

Jan 23, 2013 5:57am EST  --  Report as abuse
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