Senate immigration reform backers seek quick action

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cranston wrote:

No.

Jan 28, 2013 6:53am EST  --  Report as abuse
txguy2112 wrote:

In addition to my previous comment, they should be able to prove they were here for a set amount of time prior to the law going into effect (to prevent last minute border jumpers), there be a cut off time for the applications, and that they sign a statement acknowleding that they are not eligible for welfare, food stamps, medicaid, public housing, or any other Government programs of that type. After this being in this country illegally should be made a felony.

Jan 28, 2013 7:44am EST  --  Report as abuse
AZreb wrote:

Statement by the group (WaPo this morning); “,,,,so that future immigrants view our future immigration system as the exclusive means for entry….”

Really? The illegals have not paid much attention to the current immigration laws so why would anyone believe they will follow the laws of any “future immigration system”?

Jan 28, 2013 7:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
AdamSmith wrote:

Immigration is destroying the American middle class.

Nature has not yet rescinded the Law of Supply and Demand.

The plain fact is that immigration into any modern country has two serious, lethal effects on the native-born citizens:

1. Immigration sharply drives down wage rates.
2. Immigration sharply drives up housing costs (rent rates).

Thus employers and landlords benefit from immigration.
Thus common workers are greatly harmed by immigration.

In the entire history of America there has never been immigration flows at the huge, uncontrolled level that is taking place today. The Irish, Italian and German immigrations to America were tiny compared to the immigration today. And back then America was building factories, not closing factories and outsourcing.

In the jet age, it is only America who has dropped its defenses and simply allows itself to be overrun. All the other countries in the world, COMBINED, do not allow the immigration that comes into America. Those countries behave the rational way America behaved during most of its history — they do not allow immigration.

Today, America is controlled by big money – corporations and landlords – who are growing wealthy by using immigration to reduce wage rates and raise apartment rents.

Why should America even have a military if it is going to allow foreigners by the millions to simply walk in and take its jobs and buy its real estate unhindered?

Jan 28, 2013 8:25am EST  --  Report as abuse
Bradnaksuthin wrote:

The mainstream RINO Republican party no longer represents the views of Conservatives. It is shifting to the left to win votes.

First RINO Republicans abandon their pledge NOT TO RAISE TAXES and vote for an increase on taxes on those in the upper income brackets.

Next RINO Republicans abandon their position on “amnesty” and agree to a path to citizenship for illegal aliens.

Just a few months ago the Republican crafted a party platform for 2012 that reads:

“In this country, the rule of law guarantees equal treatment to every individual, including more than one million immigrants to whom we grant permanent residence every year. That is why WE OPPOSE ANY FORM OF AMNESTY for those who intentionally violate the law. Granting amnesty only rewards and encourages more law breaking.”

So now what are Republicans doing? They are “rewarding and encouraging more law breaking”.

Will Republicans abandon their support of the Defense of Marriage Act? Abortion? The second Amendment?

Will the next Republican Party Platform be based on WHATEVER GETS THE MOST VOTES.

If this is the new Republican Party…you can have it. This “new” Republican party wants to win votes…not stand on principles. They’ve abandoned any appearance of protecting the Constitution.

They’ve become Conservative Democrats!!!

Jan 28, 2013 8:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
Sensibility wrote:

It would be really nice if comprehensive immigration reform happens. However, I doubt it ever will, because Democrats would rather have the unfairness in the current system remain in place, so that they continue to get overwhelming Hispanic support in elections.

Jan 28, 2013 9:03am EST  --  Report as abuse
Perv889966 wrote:

The only pathway for people who could not obey existing immigration laws (and are hence here illegally) should be OUT of the U.S. No exceptions!

Jan 28, 2013 9:33am EST  --  Report as abuse
moetheshmo wrote:

Border doors should be wide open to our Spanish speaking Amigos who wish to enjoy the comforts of Norte America. Their large families are needed to insure employers of a low cost workforce making Norte America globally competitive. Unfortunately rents will increase for those that prefer living in English speaking enclaves, but that is the price of progress.

Jan 28, 2013 9:39am EST  --  Report as abuse
sjfella wrote:

More selling out by our politicians. It’s all about votes, nothing else.

Jan 28, 2013 9:40am EST  --  Report as abuse
M.C.McBride wrote:

Propaganda and electioneering at its finest.

Jan 28, 2013 10:04am EST  --  Report as abuse
web2mon wrote:

In my opinion, Never in the history of the United States has the future the common american been more under threat than they are today.
First, let me say this, our borders should be as transparent as possible to attract the most talented. However, that leverage should NOT be used to devalue the the productivity of hard working citizens. And that is what the CORPocracy, our government leaders, the legal system and the fourth estate seem to expect to almost a criminal degree. I see and hear of good people everyday, struggling to keep the very fabric of their life together and they have no champion because those with the control to make a difference are so caught up into the system, that they must think, “hey, I’ve got mine”, even though that too is illusion.
This immigration bill will be horrific for the general american population and they will not know what hit them until it is too late. Indentured servitude is the future. Your children will never be able to pay back their future loans because they will have had their efforts devalued to serve their masters. The Devil will forsake a lake of truth for a pint of poison. Beware of these Dogs! I old now it matters not to me but to my children and their children and your children.
WAKE-UP!

Jan 28, 2013 10:12am EST  --  Report as abuse
tnazar wrote:

“Under the plan, no one would be given more permanent legal status until new measures were implemented to stem the flow of immigrants across U.S. borders, a critical concession to conservatives and border state members of congress.”

In short, it’s all for show. Nothing will happen because (tadaaaaa) nothing will happen beyond what is happening. The US missed it’s chance when the Soviet Union collapsed. All those border guards unemployed. Bet they would have worked cheap (a prime consideration for the job creators and their people in Congress).

Jan 28, 2013 10:17am EST  --  Report as abuse
americanguy wrote:

If we can stop new illegals from coming in, sounds good to me.
We all know this is about Mexicans, and I think they are good and hard working people.
MAKE THEM PAY TAXES!
The problem is that many large corporations use illegals for more profits, and the rich use them for slave labor around their mansions, so the wealthy and corporations will flood Congress with bribes to not do anything.

Jan 28, 2013 10:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
lawbider wrote:

Just look at the incompetence of thier actions if they would have enforced our laws in the first place we would not have this problem. If they waqnt to really do something constructive then tighen up the existing laws to prevent violations of our borders. Our congressmen are without backbone and integrity when it come to illegal immigration. Ever consider how many countries do not allow american citizens their citizenship or even buisness or land ownership, think about it!!

Jan 28, 2013 10:37am EST  --  Report as abuse
Andao wrote:

I say amnesty for those that are here, stronger laws against those who come illegally in the future, and a comprehensive program for letting international students stay here after university graduation. Mexico is not going to be poor forever. Do we really want affluent, highly educated Mexicans saying in the future “The US has bad immigration policy, let’s take our ideas and money to Brazil instead.

The US is a nation built on immigrants. Without them, we’d have no Google, no atom bomb, and probably not a lot of other things we take for granted. Besides, we really don’t have any way to pay for this intense border control program. The cost to catch the few that do come over after the amnesty program won’t be worth the economic damage due to lots of shiny new drones and border patrol cars racing up and down the proposed US/Mexico fence.

Jan 28, 2013 10:54am EST  --  Report as abuse
crowwwwwww wrote:

A bipartisan group of U.S. senators has agreed on an immigration reform plan that would provide a path to citizenship for the “11 million illegal immigrants” in the United States but only after borders are better secured.
Yes Senator – Let’s get those people who are currently living in the country illegally voting Democrat ASAP. Bipartisan, I think not. The Right wants to strengthen our border defense, they didn’t say anywhere that they wanted to provide a fast-path to citizenship for criminals.

Jan 28, 2013 10:57am EST  --  Report as abuse
Speaker2 wrote:

Lot of uninformed comments here. Most illegals work, they pay taxes, pay social security just like you guys do. They also do a lot of the work most Americans would not do. I’d like to see you guys out in the fields harvesting produce, or on a hot summer day on a roof.

America is a melting pot, always been, always will. The Polish, Germans, Irish, Chinese all saw the same racial and fear comments in the past by the one’s who were already here.

Just think where you would be had the Indians had the same immigration policy you guys want, you wouldn’t be here. The reality we are not going to deport 11-million people.

Jan 28, 2013 10:58am EST  --  Report as abuse
sjfella wrote:

Spoken like a well-trained sheep, Speaker2.

Jan 28, 2013 11:11am EST  --  Report as abuse
fromthecenter wrote:

One thing that all of us should take note of… Our votes STILL MATTER! Do you think this would have happened if the hispanic vote didnt effect the election outcome? Maybe we all need to just start voting out all incumbents until they start acting like adults?

Jan 28, 2013 11:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
sjfella wrote:

Areed, fromthecenter, but it’ll never happen. Everyone always thinks it’s the other guy’s politician who sucks, not their own. Their approval rating is at an all time low but the overwhelming majority were re-elected again. Pitiful what has happened to our once-great country.

Jan 28, 2013 11:22am EST  --  Report as abuse
lensmanb wrote:

What don’t our representatives in government understand about the word “ILLEGAL”? Round them up and ship them out. Period. Chuck, you’re not getting my vote next time around.

Jan 28, 2013 11:27am EST  --  Report as abuse
Speaker2 wrote:

@fromthecenter

Spoken like a scared “old white man”, a group of folks remaining who still vote republican.

Guys, the country is changing, America is no longer an Anglo-Saxon based society. The reality is if the Republican party doesn’t change, it will become extinct as the color and racial mix of America changes.

Jan 28, 2013 11:31am EST  --  Report as abuse
corynoone wrote:

Didn’t we try this back in the 80s? Worked well, huh.

Jan 28, 2013 11:32am EST  --  Report as abuse
CountryPride wrote:

Anyone who suggest amnesty is an answer is a traitor to this country. There have been 7 mass amnesties in this country since 1986 and everyone was sold on this as the end to illegal immigration problems. The US just needs to adopt China’s immigration laws for foreigners and be done with it.

Jan 28, 2013 11:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
Perv889966 wrote:

To those who say we cannot deport 11 million illegals, repeat this mantra: YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN!

Jan 28, 2013 11:47am EST  --  Report as abuse
Harry079 wrote:

“Give US your tired, your poor, your hudled masses yearning to breath free.”

Jan 28, 2013 11:59am EST  --  Report as abuse
krimsonpage wrote:

@CountryPride Nothing says “I’m so desperate” then suggesting we adopt the immigration policies OF COMMUNIST CHINA!!!! You make me sad, such stupidity.

@Perv889966 Go back to your video games, chief. Let the adults discuss this. Thank you.

Jan 28, 2013 12:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Mott wrote:

What a burden to the already burdened system..

Jan 28, 2013 12:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
swips88 wrote:

It is disgraceful for any American to want to prevent new immigrants when we are a nation founded and built by Immigrants.

However it is also disgraceful to allow unfettered cross border traffic just because a land border is unprotected while Immigrants from Countries that do not have a shared border with US mainland are discriminated against by not having this same opportunity to pass in the night while no one is looking.

This new amnesty proposal is only any good if first the borders can be secured and new immigrants are vetted as was the case in years past when we had quotas and background checks as well as support arrangements with friends relatives already in USA.

No it is not practical to deport millions of people who have lived here for years. Lets get these people on the tax roles. Amnesty is only real option but lets prevent this from continuing they way it has by improving border protection first.

Jan 28, 2013 12:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
fromthecenter wrote:

@speaker2 What the heck are you talking about? I’m a democrat and I agree with immigration reform. My point is, to get congress to act we need to get out the vote. I assume by your reaction I’m calling for all the white folks to get out and vote republican? Do you think their aren’t any white democrats?

Jan 28, 2013 12:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
txguy2112 wrote:

@Harry079

You said “Give US your tired, your poor, your hudled masses yearning to breath free”
We merely want them to do it legally.

Jan 28, 2013 12:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
morbas wrote:

Specialization breeds biases that ultimately aggregate as ideological discords. Democracy demands a generalized synergism to be greater than the summation of generalization(s). Society expects all earnestly responsible communication to be crispy brief, there-in lies the rub of the ideological phraseology biased discord. We must adopt generalities that ‘apply in every special case’ else we cause self extinction.

Jan 28, 2013 12:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MikeyLikesIt wrote:

Not only would a secure border help stem the tide of illegal immigrants, it would allow us to halt the flow of illegal drugs into this country. Think of the savings we could have if we could finally cut back on the “War on Drugs”. Also think of the benefits the Mexican people would see when the drug lords don’t fight for the prime smuggling routes anymore.

I also like the provisions on not granting full citizenship until the criminals are removed. Also agree on limiting of welfare. All in all a pretty good idea. Of course I would have to see the bill first.

And those saying that we can’t agree to legalizing the current illegals. They are already here. We aren’t going to be able to deport 11 million illegal immigrants.

But if we make them go through the process, we can weed out the felons or other criminals. And if you make them pay a fine for entering illegally, it would help pay for this initiative. Once we have confirmed that all have acheived citizenship, we can THEN deport anyone not living here legally.

Jan 28, 2013 12:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse

the republicants are desperate to find anything that might give them some positive image. they claim the demos buy the votes of latinos with “free stuff” while trying to find their own way of showing their generosity. so predictable.

Jan 28, 2013 1:05pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Shamizar wrote:

Harry079: It should be changed to read:

“Give us your fired, your bored, your muddled masses burning to breed freely.”

Jan 28, 2013 1:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
henryj99 wrote:

“… and establishing a way to bring in unskilled labor while providing them with workers rights.”

Much of this bill is concerned about getting employers what they want at the expense of the American workforce. It seems that no matter who is in office, the welfare of the business entity trumps the welfare of the individual worker. Who stands up for American workers?
This is part of the reason wages are so low in the US – it is certainly not because the American workforce does not produce enough goods (they are one of the most productive in the world).

Jan 28, 2013 1:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
usa.wi.vet.4q wrote:

Throw the criminals out so we can have unbiased discussion on how to keep them out. Washington is biased and only cares about votes. You better leave this one to the citizens since you have proven you are unable to lead in Washington. Throw the illegals out and stop wasting our country trying to push your BS agenda. Funny how most people feel the same way.

Jan 28, 2013 1:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
COindependent wrote:

Borders are sealed. Enforcement is consistent–no judicial input. Just like Mexico and Canada.

Each “immigrant” should have the financial capability to support themselves (housing, food, health care) and their family for five years after receiving a green card. If they cannot, then they have to have a sponsor (church, immigration lawyer, family member) who will guarantee their finances for five years.

A work permit should last six months–period–for unskilled labor. Work Permits are job specific (e.g. no agricultural workers cutting over to construction, landscaping, janitorial) and the employer must sponsor them. Then they have to go back to their home country for at least 90 days.

Applications for entry must be filed from their home country–not in the U.S.

No welfare or public benefits (medicaid, AFDC, etc.) while they are here. No Social Security or disability unless you have paid into the system for the required quarters.

Employers must use E-verify or pay a $10,000 fine for each employee that is not certified for each occurrence. Same model as Canada.

Must be fluent in reading and writing of English to be eligible for citizenship.

No chain immigration. Adults can only apply for themselves, spouse and children. Any other adult applicant must stand on their own.

We have the right to refuse any person for any reason.

Jan 28, 2013 1:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
americanguy wrote:

There is no such thing as an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT because immigration is done though the legal immigration process. What a stupid term to clean up lawbreakers.
Just call them what they are, ILLEGAL INVADERS.
If they were North Koreans, we would shoot them on the spot.
I think I will start acting like the Latino Americans, and put England first above the US. since those are my people. If 10 million people illegally come to the US I want them to get full citizenship and I will make excuses for them because I am of British ancestry.
Right now, hundreds of thousands of Mexican Americans are helping and hiding illegal invaders from Mexico break the laws.

Jan 28, 2013 1:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
spca wrote:

it’s still a form of amnesty and i oppose it. if this is the best they can come up with then i accept it, but obama will never go for it.

Jan 28, 2013 1:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:

Wow! There is going to be an instant boom in the housing business to make space for the millions that will be coming in right away to take advantage of the amnesty.

I think it would be more prudent to make it well know that anyone that wants this amnesty has to register before June 1st 2013 in any government office – police or local and they need proof of having been here 3 years or more – or some other reasonable amount of time. – otherwise you are giving your finger to all those immigrants who registered legally in their home country and are awaiting processing to come here.

Jan 28, 2013 1:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Once upon a time, the United States of America welcomed every person who could get here, whether by boat or train or on the back of a horse. Gaining citizenship was easy and could be done in under a week. The massive influx didn’t destroy America in the 1800′s. Quite the opposite. We rose from irrelevance to world power status because our population grew so fast from immigration. Eventually xenophobia took over. The Chinese Exclusion Act forbade Chinese immigration. Later, quotas were created. From 1900 to 2000 the naturalization kept getting more and more complicated. All of this was supposed to protect America from being “destroyed” by outsiders.

Legal immigration is like a concrete damn on a river. When massive floods come and you stubbornly keep the floodgates shut, the flood will simply go over the top of the damn — damaging the damn in the process. We need to get rid of quotas and laws that discriminate against immigrants from one nation over another. The goal is simple: We want folks to go through the front door so we know who is here. They can’t go through the front door when we lock it. It is reasonable to expect immigrants to be productive members of society, so they need to get and keep a job. If there are no jobs, then obviously they won’t find jobs when they get here. It is reasonable to ask them to learn the language. Everything else in our immigration and naturalization system is useless crap.

Jan 28, 2013 2:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AdamSmith wrote:

Immigration is flooding the job market, destroying American families. The American middle class has seen its wage rates plummet in the past 12 years, their careers and families destroyed, all due to immigration.

Who in the US Senate was protecting the American worker during these last 12 years? Only a very few of them. Most senators, from either party, routinely protect the wealthy and big business.

Most senators have sold out the American worker every day for the last 12 years. This is just one more sell-out.

America doesn’t need an economic revolution, it needs a political revolution, perhaps a DICTATOR. Yes, with a senate like this, the American worker is being wiped out, destroyed, stabbed in the back.

The American political system is broken, it wasn’t meant to deal with jet-age immigration and foreign ownership of America’s largest corporations.

Jan 28, 2013 2:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse

How about we find out where they have been working for the past five years or more, and have the gov come after the employer with fines, and the illegals have to pay an extra 10 percent in taxes because they have been avoiding taxes all along. Is the gov not supposed to know how many taxes a person has paid, and come after an employer or employee if they do NOT pay the taxes? Why not penalize them for their actions?

Jan 28, 2013 3:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ARJTurgot2 wrote:

For a good time, create a permanent resident non-citizenship status. They can stay, participate in society, NOT VOTE. It would get them out of the shadows, provide a way forward for them, and not reward either political party. Watch the Libs howl on that one.

Jan 28, 2013 3:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Galactus9999 wrote:

NO AMNESTY. NO PATH TO CITIZENSHIP. DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS. We tried Amnesty in 1986 and now have 11 million more illegal aliens. We need a Federal Government that will enforce the immigration laws instead of making excuses.

Jan 28, 2013 3:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Galactus9999 wrote:

NO AMNESTY. NO PATH TO CITIZENSHIP. DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS. We tried Amnesty in 1986 and now have 11 million more illegal aliens. We need a Federal Government that will enforce the immigration laws instead of making excuses.

Jan 28, 2013 3:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Grant_X wrote:

Amnesty and citizenship for all, then let’s get busy deporting these tea party yokels from AZ and TX.

Jan 28, 2013 3:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
fred5407 wrote:

Question. Has any of you commentors tabulated the track record of our government. Some say it cannot be done. In Klamath County Oregon we have all new county commissioners, are moving toward non partisan status for commissioners. and we have a new sheriff. We are turning the government around, but you cannot turn it around with the same people who ran it to hell.

Jan 28, 2013 3:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
dreamymiss wrote:

I will forever vote third party if amnesty for 11 million goes through after amnesty for 1 million is what got us in this mess of 11 million illegals in the first place! To Republicans…you gave them amnesty…they are still voting for Dems. That trick failed as well. Now you want to make 11 million new dem voters? Are you nuts?

Jan 28, 2013 4:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Harry079 wrote:

Adam Smith wrote: “it needs a political revolution, perhaps a DICTATOR. Yes, with a senate like this”

Your right on this part, countries that have DICTATORS do NOT have a problem with illegal immigration.

Jan 28, 2013 4:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
moetheshmo wrote:

Fifty million mentally challenged immigrants from South of the border have been wrongfully allowed to breed and overload America`s safety net. But over ten million single Asian graduates with degrees in medicine and computer science are waiting in a long line for the opportunity to live and work in America. They are all talented quick thinkers who can seed America`s dumb downed workforce. Most speak fluent English and would be quickly integrated into the elite upper middle-classes. Borders are shut to talented Asians but open to poultry workers and welfare recipients.

Jan 28, 2013 4:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
4ngry4merican wrote:

Sensibility wrote: “It would be really nice if comprehensive immigration reform happens. However, I doubt it ever will, because Democrats would rather have the unfairness in the current system remain in place, so that they continue to get overwhelming Hispanic support in elections.”

I’ll bet you a beer you’re wrong. A pint of Yuengling says that this bill gets shot down by House Rs, not Senade Ds.

Jan 28, 2013 4:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
PenRumi wrote:

A compressive immigration reform should benefit Latinos who are employed in agriculture and construction.

Latinos work in backbreaking jobs such as picking vegetables/fruits and construction – jobs no one else is willing to take even with wage hikes. Caucasian (white Americans) will not work in the fields because they know prolong exposure to sun is likely to cause skin cancer (lesions); global warming has exacerbated UV radiation. African-Americans, too, will not work in the fields due to historical grievances (“been there, done that”).

The problem is with extremists and terrorists, who are currently living in the country under the radar, but will take advantage of any comprehensive reform to legitimize their extremist agenda and openly promote extremism using existing constitutional rights; they are doing it in Britain and Europe (don’t believe me, check it out yourself!). These extremists are determined to impose ‘sharia law’ on the United States. When these extremists come out of the shadows, they will openly resort to all sorts of shenanigans.

2013 is different from 1986. The situation has become far dangerous and the stakes are high concerning security in the homeland.

Jan 28, 2013 4:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
LeavingCali wrote:

lol…you all think it’s really only 11 million?

Maybe 11 million in Los Angeles and Riverside counties alone….

Jan 28, 2013 5:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Harry079 wrote:

Yea but Moe who is gonna pour the driveways and clean the pools and care for the children of your 10 million super smart upper elite asian doctors and computer nerds?

Jan 28, 2013 5:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
brotherkenny4 wrote:

There are two ways of growing the economy. The first is through population growth. The population grows and creates more consumers. The second is through technological advancement. The difficulty for the US citizen is that we have given control over to corporations. These corporation defend their technological positions and abuse their workers to try and drive them to higher productivity. So, technology doesn’t advance because corporations protect their positions. The meaness of the corporations makes people want to have children less. So, they are so mean now that the growth in population is non-existent. It’s a valid point. Why have children if they will just be slaves to the corporations like we are?

So, the politicians depend on growth to bail them out of their poor fiscal management. Both parties need it to keep us from failing financially. They use inflation to devalue the dollar and growth to produce more revenues. It’s the standard government method of not being responsible.

So as I said technological advances are dead since corporations are in control, but we can grow the population, and since many people are too poor or beaten upon by their masters, they refuse to have children. So we need immigration to grow the population and the economy and to save the politicians from themselves.

Of course, there will be an end to growth both population wise and economic growth. At the point when certain resources become over utilized we will flounder. Economist will not agree, but they are just greedy and don’t care about the future. They will get their money now and screw the children of everyone else, and screw the future.

Jan 28, 2013 5:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SayHey wrote:

The 11 million are a reality and the law-abiding should have a path to legal residency – but not citizenship, which should not have as its foundation an illegal act. Paying a fine? – Citizenship is not for sale.

Jan 28, 2013 5:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
joe10082 wrote:

Put the immigration plan on the back burner and bring all of our All Volunteer Soldiers home from Iraq and Afghanistan now. We lose one veteran to suicide every 80 minutes of each day owing in large part to post traumatic stress syndrome. 6,500 veterans committed suicide last year alone and Congress has their focus on immigration! Its outrageous. We desperately need 535 newly elected representatives in Congress to replace all those that are blind.

Jan 28, 2013 5:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
LeavingCali wrote:

@PenRumi: “Latinos work in backbreaking jobs such as picking vegetables/fruits and construction – jobs no one else is willing to take even with wage hikes.”

Construction jobs have NEVER been a job no one else is willing to take.

In fact, the illegals who work construction undermine the legal workers pay. I’ve seen construction and landscaping companies go out of business because they can’t compete with companies that hire illegal workers, pay less, don’t pay worker comp premiums, and pay under the table (i.e. NO TAXES).

Not all “Latinos” work those jobs. In fact, you see them more and more in middle-income jobs. This makes an already overflowing job pool unsustainable. Try finding a middle-income job in LA that doesn’t require a bilingual applicant. The unemployed LEGAL citizens are being neglected for the sake of the illegals and their vote.

Your statements re: construction jobs and “Latinos” are highly flawed.

Jan 28, 2013 5:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AdamSmith wrote:

There are plenty of Americans willing to do backbreaking agricultural work, for decent wages.

Immigration has destroyed their livelihoods by driving down wage rates.
Same with building constuction worker and laborers. Americans have always been famous for being good workers. But the word America used to also mean paying American workers a good living wage. No more.

Americans have always been able to outwork any other nationality, and are famously hard workers. But big corporations are greedy to the extreme, and bring in foreign immigrants to drive down wage rates, and increase profits.

In the past 12 years immigration has done far more damage to the American middle class than Osama Bin Laden, Islamic terrorists and North Korea combined.

Immigration is more destructive to American families than a nuclear bomb going off in a major city. Immigration has shattered the lives of 100 million Americans.

Compared to immigration, Osama Bin Laden and 9/11 was nothing at all.

Jan 28, 2013 5:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

In 1986 we granted amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants. What happened? Less than 30 years later we have people wanting to grant amnesty to almost 4 times the number of illegals. Amnesty promotes illegal immigration. No one has learned their lesson. I invite any pro-amnesty person to just get up, move to Mexico or Canada, start working illegally and see what happens in either of these countries when you get caught.

Jan 28, 2013 5:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

@PenRumi

That is such a load of crap. Those construction jobs used to pay decent wages to hard working Americans of all races. They came in and undercut the dry-wallers, roofers, and general contractors to the point where they could not longer make a decent living. It is the equivalent of shipping a job overseas for cheap labor, instead they brought cheap illegal labor over here to replace what was then good paying jobs. It is not a coincidence that the 11 million illegal immigrants is about the number that would get our unemployment rate back to a very healthy number.

Jan 28, 2013 5:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Harry079 wrote:

Funny thing is we originally got our citizenship by an illegal act by going to war with England. They did not give in willingly.

It seems we all only want immigrants when there is a need for cheap hard working labor to build something big for us white folks.

Jan 28, 2013 5:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

@4ngr4merican

“I’ll bet you a beer you’re wrong. A pint of Yuengling says that this bill gets shot down by House Rs, not Senade Ds.”

They will put out their own bill that shoots down amnesty but keeps other reforms. They aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot with the base or with public opinion.

Jan 28, 2013 5:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AdamSmith wrote:

@LeavingCali – Well said.

@TheNewWorld – Well said.

Jan 28, 2013 5:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:

My neighbor already had plane tickets booked for 2 nephews and a niece from Guatamela. They will be able to:
- finish high school here as illegal immigrants,
- work as under the table house cleaners at graduation,
- get free braces and medical care when needed,
- declare amnesty,
- get all the fantastic college bursaries and scholarships since they show no money on paper.
- graduate with honors with on debt and be able to afford to bring in Grandma and Grandpa who can file for social security.

USA – A-OK!!!!!
God Bless America, land of great opportunity.

They are doing far more good for American and less damage than those dirty rats in the Wall Street finance raid your pensions area.

The rich and the poor get all the breaks in America.
You are a fool to not put yourself into one camp or the other to take advantage.
Get your but as fast as you can out of the middle class tax filing.

Jan 28, 2013 5:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JL4 wrote:

So many hostile, prejudiced and misinformed comments here. Do you really think 11 million people are bringing down the U.S. job market and wage rates? You guys are nuts – and paranoid at that. Some of you remind me of Southpark – “Thar takin’ our jobs.”

Face it – the pabulum the Republican/Tea Party fed you this last election cycle didn’t work for the party; now they have to cooperate. Your whipped-up, hysterical frenzy didn’t get the Presidency, so they no longer care about you. It’s that simple. Squeal all you want.

Jan 28, 2013 5:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

@JL4, thank you for the breath of sanity in a thread otherwise filled with mostly hate-mongering, with a few exceptions.

Jan 28, 2013 6:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:

JL4,
fyi – a lot of these comments are not prejudiced.

I am an immigrant who know other immigrants who live better than me and make all their money under the table, allowing them to avoid taxes, get free braces for their kids, free medical attention at the hospital at any time for free and these same folks will get great bursaries and scholarship when amnesty passes.

Great for these smart enterprising people.

Folks like me feel like – hey – how come I cannot get those same breaks as an immigrant. Why did I spend all the time and money for the visa paperwork? Why am I not working under the table and showing zero income? It would my family so many more benefits by showing zero income.

The current immigration reform plan appears to be a simple anmensty and will surely motivate a heck of a lot more illegal immigration. The border will never be secure – that is a reality.

Allowing amnesty will not take away our jobs as these people are already working here under the table tax free.

Eventually it will take away their jobs as more illegals come in and undercut their pay.

Jan 28, 2013 6:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:

JL4,
fyi – a lot of these comments are not prejudiced.

I am an immigrant who know other immigrants who live better than me and make all their money under the table, allowing them to avoid taxes, get free braces for their kids, free medical attention at the hospital at any time for free and these same folks will get great bursaries and scholarship when amnesty passes.

Great for these smart enterprising people.

Folks like me feel like – hey – how come I cannot get those same breaks as an immigrant. Why did I spend all the time and money for the visa paperwork? Why am I not working under the table and showing zero income? It would my family so many more benefits by showing zero income.

The current immigration reform plan appears to be a simple anmensty and will surely motivate a heck of a lot more illegal immigration. The border will never be secure – that is a reality.

Allowing amnesty will not take away our jobs as these people are already working here under the table tax free.

Eventually it will take away their jobs as more illegals come in and undercut their pay.

Jan 28, 2013 6:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Speaker2 wrote:

@adamSmith,

You are pretty un-informed. Back in the 90′s I had a large commercial roofing company in New Mexico. In August, 100+ degree on the roof and all we could find to work and hire were Hispanics for the most part. They got paid the same wages as everyone else. They had social security cards and driver licenses and they paid in federal, state taxes. They paid in Social Security. They had health benefits. Were any of these Hispanics actually Mexicans in the country illegal, I am sure some were most were (but they had the id for the I-5′s).

Didn’t matter to me, all were good workers, doing hard, dangerous hot work for a good wage, including state and federal projects.

In southern New Mexico, farmers could not find American labor to pick chili peppers and other crops, if it were not for the nice folks south of the border coming up and working, there would be no farms there. same thing in Texas and California.

Most contractors I know do the same thing and no, these people did not drive down wages, nor did they take work away from US Citizens. In the construction business, you don’t pay people under the table. Too much risk if you get a tax audit, which are common in that industry.

All I see from many of these comments are a bunch of mis-informed scared white guys who watch too much Fox News and actually think it is the news, rather then what it is, extreme right wing rhetoric and opinions.

People said the same thing when the Germans, Polish, Irish, Chinese came here in the past. The US population racial profile is changing, we are becoming a mixture of different colors, white, black, yellow and brown…..with white moving into the minority.

No one is going to round up and deport 11-million people. Just because there are immigration laws, doesn’t mean those laws are right or good for todays America.

Jan 28, 2013 6:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SanPa wrote:

5000 troops, evenly spaced, and armed with M-16′s would secure the southern border.

Jan 28, 2013 6:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Cop0rang12 wrote:

I am very concern now that I will have to wait more than 15 years for legal immigration. I have been waiting for 12 years now for my sister to join us in America from my country. With this proposal mean that legal immigration from other countries will have to wait longer for available visa that congress approved every year.

Jan 28, 2013 6:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
usa.wi.vet.4q wrote:

The criminals in Washington either hire these people, or protect their criminal friends that hire them. Then they probably make them pay tax money, which is kept as part of their wildly profitable scheme. Washington is getting rich by using their illegal slaves. Worker won’t comply, so mention ICE. The worker will now do the unsafe work at a better profit for the politician on top of this ponzi scheme. Deport Washington along with their criminal help.

Jan 28, 2013 6:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AdamSmith wrote:

The H1B visa program has destroyed the American middle class.

It’s really a simple case of supply and demand. Consider an analogy. Consider, for example, what would happen if H1B were applied to plumbers instead of engineers.

Pick any city, let’s say, Denver, Colorado. Now, bring in 100 busloads of freshly graduated plumbers (4,000 new plumbers), who want to enter into the plumbing business in Denver, and make a living.

The result? Wage rates for plumbers will become depressed. The existing 960 plumbers in Denver, once busy every day, and making a good living, will now have much less work, or no work at all.

Who can compete with improverished hordes of plumbers from India who will work for any price? India has 1.17 BILLION people, and many of them are coming here, flooding our labor markets.

The H1B visa law was created, written and lobbied for by large American corporations as a means for decreasing their engineering labor costs. Indeed their corporate profits have zoomed up, up, up — while the wage rates paid to their American engineers have gone down, down, down.

This is what the H1B visa has done to the American engineering profession.

And this is what immigration from Latin America has done to American agricultural workers, America construction workers, carpenters and laborers.

If immigrants posting to this forum feel like getting a 50% cut is pay is no big problem, then go back home and take the lower pay rates in your native country. Then see how your life changes with a “minor” 50% cut in pay.

Jan 28, 2013 6:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse

No! Fix the border now. Stop the illegals first. Then — after obama shows genuine border security, not mass voter buying — discuss long and thoroughly, immigration reform. Not BEFORE!

Jan 28, 2013 7:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Brain wrote:

And you believe that farm workers who work hard in the sun all day will REMAIN farm workers if they are given legal status? You have to be as dumb as Obama if you believe that. The minute they get legal status….they leave their farm jobs and head to the cities to take American jobs. These senators are stupid.

Jan 28, 2013 7:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Mott wrote:

Perhaps the most maniacal thing on steroids.

Doubling the high-tech immigrants will only result in more local unemployment.

11M illegals becoming eligible will drain the social system to it’s max.

What desperation is driving both these political parties.. sad.

Jan 28, 2013 7:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

@AdamSmith

You can add computer programming to that as well. After the 2000 bug craze was over and the dot com bubble burst, the only jobs that stayed was the H1B visa jobs. It forced me into a different profession due to lack of opportunities for an American college graduate with no formal programming experience. Entry level programming jobs are rare even today.

This is, as I said before, the equivalent of shipping jobs overseas. Just the workers live in America and use our social services as well as replace higher paid American jobs. Why the Democrats or unions support these policies, I will never know. Oh wait, I do know, it is for votes. Why the Republicans support it? The corporate profits of course…

Jan 28, 2013 7:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Vuenbelvue wrote:

Void all births by foreign citizens who used the tourist visa to gain citizenship for their offspring retroactive to a minimum 5 years back as part of any immigration bill. Americans are tired of this and the Congressional gang of Eight need this written in any current new immigration law they submit.

Jan 28, 2013 7:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
LeavingCali wrote:

@Speaker 2: And you sound pretty biased AND misinformed yourself. First, don’t project your past experience onto the experiences of others. We all live differently. Anecdote is not a basis for logic, however flawed. Second, I don’t watch Fox or subscribe to EITHER parties’ regurgitated pablum. But, from what you wrote, if someone disagrees with you, you assume they’re watching Fox or even a Republican? Not very progressive, now is that? Sounds a little shortsighted and prejudice to me.

Don’t judge those of us who actually have to deal with negative effects of illegal immigration run amok. (i.e. see California taxes, budget, cost of living, highest welfare assistance in nation, etc. etc. etc.)

Jan 28, 2013 8:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
LeavingCali wrote:

“Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured…but not everyone must prove they are a citizen.” Now add this, “Many of those who refuse, or are unable, to prove they are citizens will receive free insurance paid for by those who are forced to buy insurance because they are citizens.”

-Ben Stein

Jan 28, 2013 8:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JoeyDawson wrote:

Anything Chuckie Schumer supports makes me already suspect. Not to mention, this POTUS refuses even to support Title 8, section 1325 on illegal immigration. Furthermore, unless the border is truly secure, none of this is going to matter. This administration is completely lawless, refusing to even enforce existing law. All th ewhile the nation continues to deteriorate under an enormous burden of debt – how pathetic! Go away, Schumer – you’re disgusting!

Jan 28, 2013 8:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mfm321 wrote:

NO NO NO AND NO!!!!

Jan 28, 2013 8:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Denan wrote:

All the politicians and activists that have aided and abetted citizens of foreign nations in their choice to live in America in violation of our laws and against the will of the American people, are guilty of violating the human rights of the American people.

American citizens, as a nation of people, have every legal and moral right to determine the present and all future directions of our society, our economy and our political process without the massive undue influences and burdens from those tens of millions of foreign nationals.

And let’s be honest: The “pathway to citizenship” is really the “superhighway to Democrat hegemony” – it is *all* about votes. And that the Republicans who are now on their knees groveling to the “Latino vote” while ignoring the American citizenry are beyond pathetic as they will get no greater a percentage of the Latino vote after “Amenesty 2.0″ than before.

And the moment that “superhighway” becomes “law”, America becomes fundamentally a diffent nation. A nation that will no longer be able to claim to be a nation of free, self-governing people. From that point on, the Left will be unstoppable and their onslaught against the Constitution, our rights, traditions and America as we’ve known it, will intensify dramatically and then just as quickly will be over. And they will look down at us, sneering, and say, “We won…”

“Immigration reform” is the means by which the Left intends to employ for it’s ‘soft’ coup of America.

Jan 28, 2013 9:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SpeaktheTruth wrote:

Why?

Why does this have to be acted upon quickly?

Why do the guns have to be restricted quickly?

Why does the border not have to be enforced immediately?

Why does a budget not have to be passed immediately?

Why do we not have to have an immediate investigation into the revelation that the White House was having email correspondence with entities and Government agencies that wanted to release chemical weapons in Syria and blame it on Assad so we can go to war?

Any time you hear the words “Act quick” from a politician, it is because they do not want you to read the details or the fine print.

Slow down there Geronimo and let’s focus on the people that are currently freezing in Staten Island.

How about we take care of them first before the illegal immigrants?

Jan 28, 2013 11:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ncpg wrote:

Everything Obama wants must be passed immediately.

Jan 28, 2013 11:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
joejohnson043 wrote:

Oh I see, apparently they don’t have the support they need for the gun ban! Answer, swear in 11 million new “Americans” who came here illegally in the first place, have no loyalty to this Nation or it’s Constitution, and whose only allegiance will be to the politicians who just legalized them.

Jan 28, 2013 11:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
joejohnson043 wrote:

Oh I see, apparently they don’t have the support they need for the gun ban! Answer, swear in 11 million new “Americans” who came here illegally in the first place, have no loyalty to this Nation or it’s Constitution, and whose only allegiance will be to the politicians who just legalized them.

Jan 28, 2013 11:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
joejohnson043 wrote:

Oh I see, apparently they don’t have the support they need for the gun ban! Answer, swear in 11 million new “Americans” who came here illegally in the first place, have no loyalty to this Nation or it’s Constitution, and whose only allegiance will be to the politicians who just legalized them.

Jan 28, 2013 11:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
joejohnson043 wrote:

Oh I see, apparently they don’t have the support they need for the gun ban! Answer, swear in 11 million new “Americans” who came here illegally in the first place, have no loyalty to this Nation or it’s Constitution, and whose only allegiance will be to the politicians who just legalized them.

Jan 28, 2013 11:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
joejohnson043 wrote:

Oh I see, apparently they don’t have the support they need for the gun ban! Answer, swear in 11 million new “Americans” who came here illegally in the first place, have no loyalty to this Nation or it’s Constitution, and whose only allegiance will be to the politicians who just legalized them.

Jan 28, 2013 11:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Heretic2011 wrote:

It should start with a 10,000 dollar fine for being here illegally. No going to the next step until the fine is paid. They should have one month to come forward, after that, life in prison if they’re caught. Enough is enough.

Jan 29, 2013 12:29am EST  --  Report as abuse
sbob850 wrote:

Eisenhower sent them back where they came from and the world didn’t end. They are here illegally stealing American Jobs and Tax Money. Just because they will be Democrat Voters as soon as they get amnesty, is no reason to kiss their bts. Self-Deportation before you’re put in jail is actually a good plan. Also, when they’re legal they will no longer be of any value to the industries that use them for less than minimum wage, thus many more will be on welfare. Send them back.

Jan 29, 2013 2:14am EST  --  Report as abuse
AmberDru1 wrote:

Why do none of the discussions on “immigration reform” ever mention the negative effects on those of us in the bottom 50%?
None of the immigration proposals ever tell us how their new and improved immigration laws are going to stop future illegal immigration (we did illegal alien amnesty in 1986- gave us millions more illegals), or why we should believe new laws will be enforced when the old laws aren’t. ………..The immigration cowards, also never say what they think the numbers should be……The U.S. already admits over 1.1 million legal immigrants every year- more than all other nations combined! We also admit more refugees than all other nations. .So, what do they propose the cap should be? …. And what will they do to stop future illegal immigration? About 50% of illegals are visa overstays. Only internal enforcent and manditory E-Verify will curb this, not border security. Even so the President has shown that the laws do not have to be enforced. An illegal alien can now have a work permit and have their many felonies waived! It is not believable any new laws will be enforced either.

Jan 29, 2013 5:50am EST  --  Report as abuse
wolverine2012 wrote:

Still waiting for you commenters (radical hardline conservatives) to prove how hard working illegal immigrants are a threat! Good govt spending puts resources in place to enforce laws, yet all we have gotten from the GOP the last decade are 2 wars on a credit card, preferential contracting to financial supporters, and rollback of GOOD regulations to allow the criminal OUTSOURCING of American jobs for cheap Asian labor. The fox is terrorizing the henhouse and stealing all the eggs!!

Jan 29, 2013 6:16am EST  --  Report as abuse
dencal26 wrote:

Both parties are concerned with future votes and could care less about the American people. Soon nearly 20 Million illegals will be on Obamacare. Good luck to you under 30s who voted Obama. Your future is dim at best. You will be paying for the rest of your life.

Jan 29, 2013 7:49am EST  --  Report as abuse
suemarie000 wrote:

Well…they tried this once before and look where we are today. Hopefully they understand without a secure border all this means nothing. But the Dems were counting on this. The were setting up their future voting class along with the redistribution of wealth (aided by the GOP I might add, Bush’s prescription plan and even signed into law a 25.00 a year premium paid out of children’s support money…spend and collect..just like a Dem) and big government. They snookered the GOP bit by bit. The GOP was so busy enjoying the elitism it brought them that they went along for the ride. Now the GOP is getting hosed as they brought this on themselves by straying from the party platform of less taxes and smaller government. Now what, GOP? Are you going to go on another ride and cost the taxpayers money for legitimizing illegals and growing government by creating more agencies to handle this? Somebody in the GOP better come up with a plan to stop the influx of illegals once and for all and make sure the path to citizenship is long and hard all the while they are paying taxes…after all they broke the law we didn’t so don’t put this burden on the American taxpayer..not even one little bit!

Jan 29, 2013 8:33am EST  --  Report as abuse
BobStreb wrote:

When the Dem and Republican “names” are on the same page and stage, then you know that the nation’s foundation will be further eroded.

Jan 29, 2013 8:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
BobStreb wrote:

Why is Schumer grabbing guns from law-abiding citizens one day, and giving amnesty to illegal non-citizens the next? There’s something fishy rotting on the Potomac.

Jan 29, 2013 8:52am EST  --  Report as abuse
BobStreb wrote:

Why is Schumer grabbing guns from law-abiding citizens one day, and giving amnesty to illegal non-citizens the next? There’s something fishy rotting on the Potomac.

Jan 29, 2013 8:52am EST  --  Report as abuse
aberdeenvet wrote:

Before passing ANY NEW laws Congress should order that the present laws, enacted by the Congress, be fully enforced.

Jan 29, 2013 10:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
AlexJones wrote:

I don’t see any Republicans up there.

Jan 29, 2013 10:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
AlexJones wrote:

What AdamSmith is perfect.

Jan 29, 2013 10:55am EST  --  Report as abuse
AlexJones wrote:

“BobStreb” – why do we allow people with ties to Israel to hold office?

Jan 29, 2013 10:59am EST  --  Report as abuse
AlexJones wrote:

“Heretic2011″ – I can’t believe people fall for this “fine” business. Why? The government should benefit by not doing its job???? What do you expect the result of THAT will be? Geez!

Jan 29, 2013 11:00am EST  --  Report as abuse
PalmerBill wrote:

11 million more Democrats.

Jan 29, 2013 11:03am EST  --  Report as abuse
microbob wrote:

First let them go back across the border and apply legally! Why are we rewarding people for illegal activity. Who voted dumb and dumber into office anyway? Sure wasn’t me!

Jan 29, 2013 11:56am EST  --  Report as abuse

Another one of those 2100-page bills that nobody in Congress has even read–much less studied–before the vote?

Jan 29, 2013 12:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Quatsch wrote:

The minority has become the majority. Nothing else has or will change. The 20′ high concrete walls our money built to keep illegals from entering Israel has worked out very well, compared to the flimsey fences we built on our own southern border.

Jan 29, 2013 5:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Quatsch wrote:

For once I believe Congress of ‘Quick Action’ on this. And after four years still no budget.

Jan 29, 2013 5:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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