Republicans blame message, not ideas, for failures

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Burns0011 wrote:

No, it was the ideas. The spiteful ultraconservative social policies combined with the heartless and ruthless fiscal policy ideas made it pretty clear that the Republican Party has now been taken over by a radically fundamentalist ideology, and is no longer the party of Ronald Reagan.

Jan 27, 2013 3:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ArghONaught wrote:

Ah denial! The right wing way or the highway. Marginalize minorities and the poor and extend that to the middle classes earning $100K a year. Try sugar coating the hubris and protection of the uber wealthy while chopping away at everyone else… how disconnected can anyone get? this could be the new benchmark.

Jan 27, 2013 4:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Speaker2 wrote:

Hey guys, maybe consider changing your party’s name, the reality is the current Republican Party is not the party it use to be. Now its driven by right wing nuts, Television programing by media attempting to call their broadcasting news, when in reality it is extreme right wing concepts, dress up as the news by guys like Rush and Beck.

Messaging is bad and the result of poor ideas that are not mainstream America. The only reason they have the House is because of Gerrymandering by state Republicans. Keep at, maybe change the party name to Retards.

Jan 27, 2013 4:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

Everything out of there mouths is a lie. This can only mean that they think they aren’t crafting effective enough lies. They have to lie better.

Obama wasn’t born in the US. We need to cut programs that help the Middle Class and the poor while cutting taxes for the rich. Global warming is a myth and we should do nothing about it. We need to pass a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. We need to give industry more power and take power away from working men and women. We need to leave decisions regarding women’s reproductive rights to aging white Republicans. America has the best healthcare system in the world and should be left alone. That’s just a sampling of their “ideas”. What the Republicans are arguing is that they stand by those ideas, but they need to come up with more effective ways of spinning them so that those ideas sound like something that would benefit the Middle Class, our country, and the world. Blarney! Their message is coming through loud and clear. It’s just that there’s finally a majority that is no longer falling for it, and I think they’ll have a tough time changing that dynamic, no matter what kind of bamboozling strategy they come up with. Now they’ll be testing a bunch of new words and phrases through test samples on the public to gauge which receive the best response. The “job creators”. “Pro-life” supporters. “The Defense of Marriage Act”. “Clean coal”. “Entitlement” reform. It makes me sick. With the Republicans it’s all about how to deceive the public in order to channel more money to the rich and to weaken the influence of everyone else.

Jan 27, 2013 4:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gacha wrote:

Yes, that’s it, the Republicans are too analytical. Hahahahah. Making a statement like that is evidence of a lack of analysis.

Jan 27, 2013 5:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
CMEBARK wrote:

It’s the ideas contained in the message guys, not the method. Until you move to the center the most you can hope for is a bunch of rednecks, Tea Party, and NRA fanatics electing a few local candidates. The more you move to the Right the easier it is for the others to move to the Left. For every action there is a reaction.

Jan 27, 2013 5:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

As long as their ideas include forbidden liberties to fellow Americans, they are not going to win. They need to get over abortion, no one is forcing them to get one if they don’t want one. They need to get over same sex marriage, forbidding the legal rights that comes with marriage to a section of the country is wrong. Those two policies alone push the liberties minded voters away from them.

I do agree that they need to do a better job communicating social security reform. The media also needs to stop pushing the Democrat lies that Republicans want to take social security away from everyone. They want to make it solvent, and the current system is not. They also need to practice what they preach and not raise deficit spending when they get control of the house and senate like they did under GW Bush. And they need to explain the dangers of the debt and deficit spending to the public honestly. Again this is something the media does not like doing.

And finally they need to kick the Tea Party loons out of their caucus. The last thing we need is another politician saying true rape victims don’t get pregnant. Between him, O’Donnel, and the nut bag in Nevada, they deserved to lose.

Jan 27, 2013 5:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

This is essentially saying it is not Republicans fault they lost. It is the voters fault for not being smart enough to understand thei faultless Republican message.

The phrase for this is “in denial”.

Jan 27, 2013 7:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gacha wrote:

There is something charming, almost homespun about some of these quotes from these Republican strategists.

Don’t worry guys, I mean, you had Presidents like Reagan, the Bushes, I’m sure your days are just around the corner.

But it will be a job deciding the next target for the War Machine. I recommend Canada. They are just trying to invite Randy Quaid in for a tea.

Jan 28, 2013 12:30am EST  --  Report as abuse
tatman wrote:

just the other day, the republican party said it was the method, and not the message, that sunk their efforts of claiming power through all levels of government in the last election. now, it’s that the message did it, and not their ideas. will at least ONE republican get it right? it’s BOTH their MESSAGE and their IDEAS that are turning off the average american: anti-women, anti-gay, anti-poor, anti-elderly, anti-government, anti-abortion, anti-immigration, anti-environment, anti-regulation… (are they FOR anything other than the richest americans/corporations and for lining their pockets with america’s treasure?)

they call 47% of the country’s citizens worthless parasites, and try to gut assistance to those who fall victim to their engineered economic collapse (spurned by 8 years of unpaid-for wars and deregulation of the financial sector under w. bush. sorry, guys — i DO have a memory of the dual-presidential terms prior to obama, when you started with a national surplus and left us in a depression…).

the republican spin machine — keep it going. deny the real problems and guarantee that your party continues to fall into complete irrelevancy in the coming decades. after, of course, your scorched-earth policy of governance leaves our country in a socio-political-economic disaster zone due to your gross negligence.

Jan 28, 2013 6:19am EST  --  Report as abuse
Sensibility wrote:

It’s a lot of both. Republicans are dead wrong on many “ideas”, such as immigration. Conservatism is a philosophy based on the inherent dignity of the individual (as opposed to the government, or the collective). By stonewalling immigration reform, Republicans continue to uphold the establishment at the expense of the individual, which is wrong.

But a large part of it is also messaging. Democrats aren’t much better on the “idea” when it comes to immigration, but they are much better at convincing immigrants that they are on their side (even though Democrats have been whining about immigration problems for decades and haven’t made any improvements).

The Republican Party will rise again. They need to fix some of the ideas and most of their messaging. But there is plenty of room for that. And now, there is plenty of time.

Jan 28, 2013 9:24am EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

Republican’s on dead wrong on the direction they would take our economy. “Former Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan, appearing in his first live television interview since the November 6 election, said his party needs to demonstrate that Republican ideas can improve people’s lives.” The problem with that statement is that when you look at Paul Ryan’s “Path to Prosperity” 2013, the people he is referring to are the top 2%. Huge tax breaks for the top, eliminate Capital Gains and Dividend taxes, INCREASE Defense spending and gut Medicare and Medicaid. There isn’t a study I’ve ever seen (and I’ve searched) that demonstrates that trickle down economics ACTUALLY trickles down. Rather it concentrates wealth at the top. Of course it doesn’t help your message when you chastise the 47% who paid no Federal Income taxes last year. All the 47% did was take advantage of the deductions allowed in the tax code JUST LIKE Romney and GE does to lower their tax bills.

Jan 28, 2013 10:33am EST  --  Report as abuse
fromthecenter wrote:

I thought it was they dont give away enough free stuff? Or was it the number of people they give free stuff to was not enough to win elections, even when those same people poured a billion dollars into their campaigns? I forget.

Jan 28, 2013 11:22am EST  --  Report as abuse
Snowpine wrote:

Bless their hearts, they still don’t get it after 2 elections.

This is not a democracy when only 1 party has a chance to win. There is no real alternative.

Jan 28, 2013 12:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
usagadfly wrote:

When Republicans make it perfectly clear that they accept US promises to pay its own people earned benefits as equal to, if not superior to, Government scrip (bonds, notes, bills, etc.) then they might stop shrinking in votes received. Otherwise, as the older generation dies off, they are doomed.

No change in ideas means no increase in votes. Sorry Charlie! Who wants a Party which is bought and paid for by people intending the public harm?

Jan 28, 2013 1:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mikemm wrote:

This was a national campaign with political and media experts. No, I think the problem was that the message did convey the ideas which teh voter rejected.

So now they’re going to deliver only messages that the voters will not reject (like going along with the White House and Democrats on key legislation) while keeping their ideas to themselves for when they can get a majority to be able to put them into action.

Jan 28, 2013 2:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
pavoter1946 wrote:

I think the voters very well understood the message, and the message reflected their core ideas, as controlled by the Tea Party.

When Ronald Reagan couldn’t win in the current Republicans primaries, then it is no longer the Party that most would recognize.

When immigration reform means self-deportation, and sensitivity to women’s issues means you can’t get pregnant if you are raped, that message comes through loud and clear.

Jan 28, 2013 2:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

They delude themselves constantly, and this is just another example. Here Ryan, and other Republicans, are saying that it has nothing to do with the policies they support; it’s a failure in how they sell those policies to the public. I don’t know about you folks, but I can still clearly remember the Republicans selling us on the reasons for going to war in Iraq, a majority of Americans bought into it, and the outcome was 4,500 dead American soldiers, 100,000+ dead Iraqi citizens, a trillion dollars in squandered tax dollars, and a severe blow to America’s credibility. So obviously the message worked. The policy itself? One of the worst chapters in America’s history.

Using the Iraq War as an example, and there are many, many others, the Republican messaging is actually quite good. Too good, in fact. But the policies hurt the United States and its people. That’s what the American people are waking up to. Yes, from the GOP perspective it’s the messaging. Their goal of making the US a one-party authoritarian style state run by plutocrats won’t change. As Paul Ryan suggests, they will be concentrating on devising new, more effective, ways of deceiving the Americans people in order to achieve their goals. They see the Iraq War as a victory because their messaging worked. They see Mitt Romney’s election loss as a failure because their messaging didn’t convince enough people to vote for Romney, e.g., Obama wasn’t US born; Obama has gutted Medicare; Obama is a socialist; Obama plans to confiscate all of our guns; Obama wants people to live off the government.

In the meantime, the Republicans are now trying to tamper with the electoral college so that they can give themselves the same unfair advantage they have in dominating House elections. They weaken our voices, our representation, our democracy, through corrupt use of the legislative process gerrymandering, and now by dividing up a state’s electoral vote in a way that gives more votes to the Republican-favored gerrymandered districts. THIS is why more and more Americans are turning against the Republican Party. It’s because we know they don’t give a rat’s butt about us and only care about their own wealth and power. http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/26/1496981/electoral-college-rigging/?mobile=nc

Jan 28, 2013 2:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
blah77 wrote:

This is wonderful news for all non-Republicans worldwide! The longer the GOP remains in the denial, they longer they will stay in political irrelevance.

Good luck to them trying to convince the ethnic minorities, gays, women, middle class, and those 47% ‘deadbeats’ that they aren’t going to be turned into second class citizens in the GOPs ‘rich middle-aged white male’ world order. At the least, it should provide the folks at Comedy Central with decades of entertainment material.

Jan 28, 2013 3:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bagehot wrote:

Schweikert says the trouble is they think like accountants. Here’s a bit from the L.A. Times on Romney’s plan for a 20% across the board tax cut that he claimed was revenue neutral:
“Romney’s claim that his tax plan will not benefit upper-income earners runs into trouble in the Tax Policy Center assessment. The report said the loopholes – popular deductions including those for mortgage interest, charitable giving and others― are not plentiful enough at the top of the income scale to cover the estimated $360-billion annual cost of reducing tax rates by 20%. The gap would need to be filled by closing loopholes for those at lower ends of the income scale, those earning less than $200,000. Estimates say those earning between $100,000 and $200,000 would be significantly hit. Also, the report said the trade-off between lower rates and loopholes would benefit higher-income households, which would see their overall tax burden go down while middle- and lower-income households would see their taxes rise.”
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/oct/03/news/la-pn-fact-check-debate-romney-tax-20121003
Jindal’s right― they are turning into Stupid Party

Jan 28, 2013 5:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
crittertron wrote:

So if I understand correctly, Republicans think that saying something stupid in a different way will somehow make it un-stupid?

Jan 28, 2013 6:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
whuppsadaisy wrote:

Getting out the color chart to find a new shade of lipstick for the pig.

Jan 28, 2013 6:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
sylvan wrote:

And the GOP remains completely clueless after three or four strategy retreats, saying 51% of us just didn’t understand them. We are all probably too stupid in their book to understand the lofty principles around being a selfish party of old white men. They must really believe latinos are plain dumb if they think they can now change on immigration for the sole reason of winning them over, after 10 years of sustained, vicious anti-immigrant fever they whipped up on Faux News, asking them to self-deport. It is quite cute how they try to break up the Obama coalition by trying to just draw latinos away, obviously still disdaining blacks, working women, and gays. But keep fine-tuning that messaging, delusional bigots.

Jan 29, 2013 4:06am EST  --  Report as abuse
4ngry4merican wrote:

So if you buy your mother a new sweater for Christmas and she tells you it’s ugly, the proper solution is not buying her a different sweater next year but calling her an idiot for not liking it and giving her the same sweater in a different box next year, right Republicans?

Jan 30, 2013 11:22am EST  --  Report as abuse
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