House Republicans challenge Obama immigration plan's citizenship goal

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dreamymiss wrote:

This seems like an easy problem…are you in office to support your constituents, or are you in office to cover up for the incompetent border security in this country? Do you support the citizens of this country, or foreign usurpers?

Feb 04, 2013 8:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
speaker12 wrote:

King Obama forgets he was elected to be a leader of all the people. He has an agenda which he learned as a community organaizer, that is, devide and conquer. Sick but true.

Feb 04, 2013 8:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Perv889966 wrote:

It’s appalling to me that the kind of people some would want to become citizens are those who have violated our immigration laws.

None of these people should EVER become citizens! All 11 million of them! NONE!

Feb 04, 2013 9:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Galactus9999 wrote:

We need a Federal Government that will start enforcing all our immigration laws. Deport all illegal aliens, secure the border, and fine anyone who hires an illegal alien.

Feb 04, 2013 10:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bunker555 wrote:

He tried this approach in May 2009:
Cantor Caves: Republicans Will Be ‘Listening’ To Rush Limbaugh, Not The American Public
By Amanda Terkel on May 6, 2009 at 12:09 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2009/05/06/38834/cantor-limbaugh-listening/?mobile=nc
Last week, Republicans kicked off their National Council for a New America, an attempt to revive the image of the GOP. One of the leading participants, former governor Jeb Bush, said that it was time for Republicans to “listen first, to learn a little bit, to upgrade our message a little bit.” Similarly, on Sunday, Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA) told CNN that Republicans should be “listening to the people“:

CANTOR: Listen, John, I think there is a lot of blame to go around. And what we’re trying to do here today is kick off a series of town hall forums so that we can get back to listening to the people. [...]

So we’ve got to go out and, again, reconnect and make sure that our policy prescriptions are relevant to the challenges that people in the Northeast are facing, to the challenges that educated, affluent families are facing, as well as those much more challenged in the inner cities and rural areas of our country.

There is a common theme in this country and that is opportunity. That’s what these forums are going to be about, about listening to how we tap into the real challenges and how we allow opportunity to flourish again.

Listening to all this talk about listening, Rush Limbaugh became incensed. He said that instead of taking cues from the American public, Republicans should fan out and spread their dogma through a “teaching tour.” This morning on MSNBC, Cantor backtracked and said that he agreed with Limbaugh:

SCARBOROUGH: So, let’s start with Rush Limbaugh, who seems to be mocking the idea of a listening tour. What do you say to Rush?

CANTOR: You know, Joe, really, this — this is not a listening tour. You know, think about what we saw a couple weeks ago on the TEA parties.

Feb 04, 2013 10:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
joelwisch2 wrote:

But top Republicans want to defer citizenship until the county’s borders are deemed more secure – a linkage that Obama and most of his fellow Democrats would find hard to accept.
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There is very little that tells us that the Democratic Party wants secure borders. There is a great deal that suggests they want open borders. The consequences of open borders for the youth of today would be catastrophic. Good for old guys like me.. incredible bad for the youth of today.

Something bothers me a great deal now and there isn’t a clear answer. Why is the Democratic Party threatening the youth of today with open borders?

Feb 04, 2013 11:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlaskanDude wrote:

obama – “we americans, democrats, progressives, liberals, government workers, the unions, those unemployed who would rather cash in then look for a job, hollywood, lawyers everywhere, we…. we cannot do this alone. we…. cannot be expected to carry on these lies about the economy and the way to a strong country is through higher taxes and class warfare…. we can not carry this load by ourselves forever. We must make the logical choice to bring our beloved democratic voting illegal immigrants to citizenship – for our very survival. AM I RIGHT? Call you congressman and tell them – for a strong america we need these criminals at the ballot box.

Feb 04, 2013 11:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

joelwisch2 wrote:
“There is very little that tells us that the Democratic Party wants secure borders. There is a great deal that suggests they want open borders.”

Borders are more secure now than the ever where under Republican. Under Bush, illegal border crossings reached an all time high and deportation effectively stopped.

What does that tell you, if not that Democrats want secure borders while Republicans are all talk and no action?

Feb 05, 2013 4:04am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

speaker12 wrote:
“King Obama forgets he was elected to be a leader of all the people.”

He hasn’t forgotten that at all. He is just smart enough to understand that Republicans are not “all the people’. They are not even ‘most of the people’.

Feb 05, 2013 4:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

Perv889966 wrote:
“It’s appalling to me that the kind of people some would want to become citizens are those who have violated our immigration laws.”

The ones being offered citizenship are educated, have no criminal record, and jobs and contribute more to the USA than criminal citizens, uneducated citizens, or unemployed citizens.

Explain why Republicans want to deport them, if it is not just petty xenophobia – “OMG! They are not one of us!”

Feb 05, 2013 4:14am EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

@Abulafiah

Illegally entering the country is a felony. I work with a British immigrant and a Columbian immigrant. They have paid over $5000 each in fees and been waiting for years for full status. Why do you think an unskilled laborer who crossed a border deserves to bypass everything that they went through and are still going through? The only thing they contribute is $28 billion US dollars to Mexico, Central America, and South America via Western Union each year, higher crime rates, more students for our teachers, more patients for our hospitals, and more inmates for our prisons. They are just a little more worthwhile to the country than you.
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Real immigrants despise this legislation. It is a slap in their face.

Feb 05, 2013 5:22am EST  --  Report as abuse
nopassingzone wrote:

The worst decision we could make would be to afford a broad blanket amnesty with citizenship in the mix. We need distinctions in the illegal population. Some have worked for years. Others have never worked but been entitled via American born children. Some have contributed to the underground cash economy through the cash payday, no tax lifestyle, and more will be coming as word gets out that amnesty is imminent. Beyond that, where in these formulas is an opportunity for American and legal immigrant workers who were discarded in favor of cheaper illegal labor to get back in the game?

Set a benchmark: minimum 5 years employed and paying taxes without any other legal violations. Let them apply to convert to temporary guest worker status with no pathway to citizenship. Free up as many as three million jobs currently held by illegals for American workers and legal immigrants to take. Almost 7 million unemployed Americans actively seeking jobs are in the lower two income sectors – the same place where 7 million illegals are working on the books.

No CIR that leaves America’s unemployed sitting on the bench in favor of legalizing the illegals who replaced them, and which also includes an expanded TGW program will do anything but continue the glut of available workers to provide cheap labor for business. Wages will continue to plummet, and if THIS group also receives the same deal as we afforded in 1986, expect 40 million illegals in the next decade.

40% of our illegal population enters on a valid visa. They certainly don’t all walk across the border. They’re greeted at the airport by friends and relatives. Then, they simply don’t go home when the visa expires. This is a recipe (both plans) to continue lowering the standard of living in America and to increase the polarity of wealth and income inequality. Just say “No” to both plans.

Feb 05, 2013 7:38am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

TheNewWorld wrote:
“Illegally entering the country is a felony.”

No necessarily. If you find someone to operate Google for you, and find the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, illegal presence is a misdemeanour, not a felony, and certainly not the ‘crime’ the wing-nuts keep howling about. Children carried across or born in the USA are not even guilty of a misdemeanour.

Improper entry is a felony, but as you have to catch them in the act of stepping across the border it is, for practical purposes, a useless law.

TheNewWorld wrote:
“Why do you think an unskilled laborer who crossed a border deserves to bypass everything that they went through and are still going through?”

Who said they are bypassing anything? They are being offered *a path to citizenship*. Do you know what a path is?

If you thought a bit more, and parroted right-wing propaganda a bit less, it could have occurred to you that spending a year and thousands of dollars to get citizenship is ridiculous, and a very good incentive to find some other route. I don’t expect the notion that making legal entry a lot quicker and cheaper would reduce the number of undocumented aliens to occur to you though. You are too obsessed with Republican ideology.

TheNewWorld wrote:
“The only thing they contribute is $28 billion US dollars to Mexico, Central America, and South America via Western Union each year”

So Fox says. Others say differently, but of course you never do the research.

“One study conducted by analysts at the Urban Institute found that in 1998, unauthorized immigrants in New York State paid an average of 15 percent of their income in federal, state, and local taxes; other immigrant groups paid between 21 percent and 31 percent.”

The study referred to is “Immigrants in New York”

IRS: “the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year.”

Even in Texas…. “The Comptroller’s report estimates that undocumented immigrants in Texas generate more taxes and other revenue than the state spends on them”

TheNewWorld wrote:
“…higher crime rates…”

More Fox BS, and again you just soak it all up without bothering to check if it true.

“Data from the 5 percent Public Use Microsample (PUMS) of the 2000 census were used to measure the institutionalization rates of immigrants and natives, focusing on males 18 to 39, most of whom are in correctional facilities. Of the 45.2 million males age 18 to 39, three percent were in federal or state prisons or local jails at the time of the 2000 census — a total of over 1.3 million, in line with official prison statistics at that time.

Surprisingly, at least from the vantage of conventional wisdom, the data show the above hypotheses to be unfounded. In fact, the incarceration rate of the US born (3.51 percent) was four times the rate of the foreign born (0.86 percent). The foreign-born rate was half the 1.71 percent rate for non-Hispanic white natives, and 13 times less than the 11.6 percent incarceration rate for native black men (see Table 1).”

and

“While people born abroad make up about 35% of California’s adult population, they account for only about 17% of the adult prison population, the report by the Public Policy Institute of California (PPIC) showed. Indeed, among men ages 18 to 40 — the demographic most likely to be imprisoned — those born in the U.S. were 10 times more likely than foreign-born men to be incarcerated”

It is revealing how your arguments always collapse after checking a few facts. You really should learn from that…

Feb 05, 2013 7:39am EST  --  Report as abuse
AZreb wrote:

The “gang of eight” put out this statement; “….so that future immigrants view our future immigration system as the exclusive means for entry….” Really?

We already have “exclusive means for entry” – called immigration LAWS! The illegals have ignored those laws for years, so why would anyone believe they would follow any rules for entry?

Feb 05, 2013 8:04am EST  --  Report as abuse
AZreb wrote:

The “gang of eight” put out this statement; “….so that future immigrants view our future immigration system as the exclusive means for entry….” Really?

We already have “exclusive means for entry” – called immigration LAWS! The illegals have ignored those laws for years, so why would anyone believe they would follow any rules for entry?

Feb 05, 2013 8:04am EST  --  Report as abuse
AZreb wrote:

to abulifiah – Cocaine smuggling has increased 20% and methamphetamine smuggling increased 40% in 2012 on our southern border according to the latest Congressional Report. Plus, of course, the tons of marijuana coming across the border.

If this is “secure” as Little Napoleon (Napolitano)says, then what is the definition of “secure” now?

Feb 05, 2013 8:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
AdamSmith wrote:

Immigration is destroying the American middle class.

Is it like the Irish, German and Italian? NOT so fast.

The pro-immigration political forces in America (employers, landlords and immigrants) often falsely liken the current Latin American immigration as somehow similar to the Irish, German and Italian immigrations of the 1800′s.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

The famous Irish, German and Italian immigrations of the 1800′s were tiny in size compared with the current gigantic influx of Latin American immigrants, both in ABSOLUTE numbers, and as PERCENTAGES of the entire American population.

For example the entire Irish immigration to America over the entire 19th century – year 1801 to year 1900 – was around 1 million.

Whereas today, the Latino immigration to America in just the past 20 years, during the Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama administrations, has been over 30 million.

Yes, 30 million over 20 years is a lot different than 1 million over 100 years. And back then, America was building factories.

Consider the Irish. At the turn of the century (i.e., year 1900), Irish born immigrants made up 2.12% of the US population.

Today Latino-born immigrants, legal and illegal, living in America make up over 10% of the US population.

In other words the Latino-immigration dwarfs the Irish immigration in all aspects.

And the cultural aspects are different too. The Irish were fleeing famine, not violent crime. Although there was political contention and poverty in Ireland, the culture itself was well-educated.

If one looks at the current crime rates by country, two areas of the world stand out as having the very highest rates of violent crime: Latin America and Africa.

Mexico, Brazil, Belize, Columbia – the list goes on and on. Much, much higher violent crime rates than America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Mexico stands out as one of the most violent cultures in the world, violent being the key word.

Many people don’t realize that Mexico is one of the largest producers of oil in the world, and has been for many years.

The wealthy class of Mexico includes the world’s richest man, Carlos Slim. Not only are the poorest Mexicans flowing into America, flooding American labor markets, but the wealthy Mexicans are busy buying up much of American real estate and American companies. Now, many of the semi-trucks on American highways are owned by the wealthy of Mexico.

The Irish immigration was of poor but relatively well-educated people, with an entirely different cultural and economic effect on America.

And in size, the Irish, German and Italian immigrations to America were all tiny compared to the gigantic, uncontrolled, Latino mass immigrations into America today.

Immigration into any country affects things in a big way. It drives down wage rates and drives up rents. How could it be otherwise?

Thus the big-money interests today continually play the propaganda that the massive Latino immigration today is similar to the Irish, German and Italian immigration of the 1800′s. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Feb 05, 2013 8:57am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

@AZreb

Do you have a link for that report, or are you just making it up as you go along?

Drug smuggling increases every year, and has done for decades. So what? What does that have to do with immigration?

The 2011 report from the NDIC contradicts you:
“Nonetheless, enhanced border enforcement appears to be forcing traffickers to rely more on alternative smuggling conveyances such as noncommercial maritime vessels and ultralight aircraft. Traffickers also smuggle drugs into the United States through rudimentary and sophisticated underground tunnels and aboard freight trains ”

Because I am not a right-winger making stuff up, I can provide a link : http://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs44/44849/44849p.pdf

Feb 05, 2013 9:30am EST  --  Report as abuse
joelwisch2 wrote:

If we do not vote on the Immigration Bill, we are going to get hurt deep and hard. We WILL see amnesty, and for starters, this give you the baseline costs for that amnesty.
Cost of amnesty for illegal aliens… 2.6 trillion.
http://www.heritage.org/research/immigration/wm1490.cfm

And this is alive and very well..
Illegal Immigration Costs U.S. $113 Billion a Year, Study Finds
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02/immigration-costs-fair-amnesty-educations-costs-reform/#ixzz1YVQ19FPD

Choose your poison.

Feb 05, 2013 10:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
Speaker2 wrote:

Guys, we are not going to round up and deport 11-million people, get over it. They will eventually be allowed to become citizens.

These folks do not cost us, they actually play an important role in our economy.

And please don’t assume anything on Fox News and by the Heritage Foundation is true.. they are not….. Fox Fantasy & Entertainment wouldn’t know what news is, all they provide is just extreme right wing babble.

Feb 05, 2013 11:25am EST  --  Report as abuse
Speaker2 wrote:

@adamSmith,

The US Population in 1880 was only around 56-million people and over the next few decades over 33-million people (mainly German, Irish and Italians) came to the US. We don’t have 200-million people coming over our borders the past few decades.

We are a country of immigrates. What if the Native Americans declared us all to be illegal immigrates and asked us to move back to where our forefathers came from? Basically that is what you are asking to people who live here, work here and contribute to the country.

Feb 05, 2013 11:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
Speaker2 wrote:

@adamSmith,

The US Population in 1880 was only around 56-million people and over the next few decades over 33-million people (mainly German, Irish and Italians) came to the US. We don’t have 200-million people coming over our borders the past few decades.

We are a country of immigrates. What if the Native Americans declared us all to be illegal immigrates and asked us to move back to where our forefathers came from? Basically that is what you are asking to people who live here, work here and contribute to the country.

Feb 05, 2013 11:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
Patri wrote:

Too bad the Native Americans could not have had good immigration polices to handle the three folks who left these comments. We all came from somewhere else folks. Get over it.

Feb 05, 2013 12:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
OneOfTheSheep wrote:

An incredible majority of the hispanic hoards invading the existing American society/economy from Mexico (and points south) bring no money, land, education or skills “to the table” from which they expect to eat. Do that in any restaurant and you will go to jail.

The very idea that this is a game, in which those who get here are somehow “entitled” to unearned citizenship, is fundamentally inconsistent with a “civil society” in which citizenship is valued and intentionally exclusive. It’s like giving a thief who takes your wallet by stealth or force a “say” in how the cash inside should be divided.

America already has more non-productive voters (in the economic, not biological sense) than productive ones who are seeking to voting themselves raise after raise. THAT is truly unsustainable!

Feb 05, 2013 12:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
txguy2112 wrote:

I read an article the other day (on CNN so the left wing propaganda ministers will not immediately scream Fox) about the people that “immigration reform” should really be dealing with, namely the LEGAL immigrants. You know, the people who actually bothered to follow the law when they came here. These people are waiting years for their “path to citizenship” while the politicians are busy pandering to criminals. Yes, they are criminals as they are breaking the law whether it be a felony or misdemeanor and the definition of crime is violating the law. All that this “path to citizenship” (amnesty) will do is encourage others to violate our laws because they are being rewarded for it while the people who actually obey the laws are being punished. But this appears to be the new American way, punish the innocent and coddle the guilty.

Feb 05, 2013 1:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Speaker2 wrote:

Well as soon as you right wingers are willing to go out and pick produce, work in a meat packing plant, clean hotel rooms, wash dishes, work on a hot roof other some other backbreaking jobs, I guess we can deport these people, but so far, I have seen no takers from the right to replace these people and the hard work they do.

Every wave of immigration have came in the same way, doing hard work that nobody else wants to do, meanwhile their children become educated, learn the language and integrate into America.

The simple fact is we need these people, we have a birthrate below replacement and a large chunk of the population leaving the workforce and retiring (the baby boomers.

Really what I see in many of these comments is mis-informed, low-information racist.

Feb 05, 2013 1:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AdamSmith wrote:

The American worker has always been famous for being the hardest working, most productive worker in the world. That’s how America became great.

The American ag worker, the American construction trades worker, the American factory worker – No other country in the world has the reputation of the American worker for back-breaking, hard, efficient, productive labor.

The difference between America and the other nations is that America didn’t have a monarchy, or a nobility, or a dictatorship of the wealthy, as in Europe or Latin America.

America was different. It was founded on the opposite principal to a monarchy. It was founded on an egalitarian principal of a culture looking out for every man. Doing what was good for the entire nation.

Today, after NAFTA, and the immense profits to be made by importing foreign immigrant labor, America’s legislatures and the President have sold the American worker out for profits.

It’s similar to the immense profits to be made by importing cocaine. Those immense profits allow the smugglers to draft the laws of legislature to favor their trade.

Likewise, the immense profits of importing immigrant labor allow the moneyed interests to easily bribe and sway legislatures and President Obama to favor their trade.

Thus this huge tide of foreign immigration into the US is quickly destroying the American working class.

Feb 05, 2013 2:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AdamSmith wrote:

The American worker has always been famous for being the hardest working, most productive worker in the world. That’s how America became great.

The American ag worker, the American construction trades worker, the American factory worker – No other country in the world has the reputation of the American worker for back-breaking, hard, efficient, productive labor.

For Latinos, from the land most famous for the siesta, to suggest that Americans don’t want to work hard is ironic.

Feb 05, 2013 2:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
OneOfTheSheep wrote:

@speaker2,

Oversimplification, as usual.

If we COULD “deport these people” (hope springs eternal), the picking of produce, processing of meat, cleaning of hotel rooms and roofing will have to offer higher wages to entice those sitting on the sidelines collecting unemployment or welfare to do those things. Wouldn’t that be a GOOD thing?

With all the recalls of produce, meat products and by-products and bedbugs everywhere, I’m not so sure we’re getting such a good deal on all this “cheap labor, particularly if you figure in the free medical care, food stamps, etc. possible with fake IDs available in hispanic neighborhoods and what bilingual everything costs us all.

These people are economic parasites that do not spend much of the money they get where they live, but send it back to Mexico and other countries south. Hispanic children are NOT integrating into America as did previous ethnic immigrants.

Look all around you. There are thousands upon thousands of clerks, secretaries, mail room people, lower “management”, etc. that computers have rendered as useless as the elevator operator. Those jobs didn’t go to China or Mexico or anywhere. They’re just GONE, forever.

Computers and robots don’t take breaks, get sick, have kids that get sick, require insurance, require parking, get overtime, or retire, EVER! Every time the minimum wage is increased, so is the incentive for the automation of tasks. Our society is needing fewer and fewer SMARTER people to keep it going, and that trend will continue.

So what is America’s exploding underclass to do? Starve? Revolt? There’s more than enough already to do that, and not enough prisons. How soon will we see radical muslims infiltrating our borders carrying drugs to finance their suicide belts, headed for a neighborhood of “infidels” near YOU?

Obviously I’m a “mis-informed…racist”. You wish.

Feb 05, 2013 9:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
barb3000 wrote:

I have a idea that a large percentage of the illegal alien population helped to vote Obama back into office. With the help of all the fake ID’s they can so easily obtain and with many states not requiring a photo ID it was simple to do. There is at least 4 million living in California alone that would have put him over the top. With Obama promising amnesty why wouldn’t they help him to stay in power?

Feb 06, 2013 1:23am EST  --  Report as abuse
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