In speech, Obama to challenge divided Congress to back his proposals

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BioStudies wrote:

What legacy?

Feb 12, 2013 2:12am EST  --  Report as abuse
morbas wrote:

Specialization breeds biases that ultimately aggregate as ideological discords. Democracy demands a generalized synergism to be greater than the summation of generalization(s). Society expects all earnestly responsible communication to be crispy brief, there-in lies the rub of the ideological phraseology biased discord. We must adopt generalities that ‘apply in every special case’ else we cause self extinction.

The federal budget is $3.8 trillion. Federal plus state plus municipality is greater than $8.06 trillion. The sum total of all personal income is $12.98 trillion. Thus, the governments are operating at 62 percent of total personal income.

Fairness requires top earners pay more.
Simply put, the federal and state tax system needs to tax the money, not the people. Poverty/subsistence margin flat rate of taxation is fairness. The upper quintile views fair as the more you make the more you take home. This meets both criteria. The Washington bureaucrats missed a big opportunity to propose a margin flat rate tax that balances the budget. Rates $0-20K 0%, money above $20K 35%; couples freely share; all income bundled and taxed in summation form, no exemptions. And provide business relief with no business taxation with provisions on ‘partnership and disregarded’ businesses to transfer funds into personal accounts as the taxable income. Ends family business inheritance taxation, except when sold for personal profit (always taxable).

Feb 12, 2013 2:45am EST  --  Report as abuse
BioStudies wrote:

Morbas that’s so bad I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

Feb 12, 2013 3:31am EST  --  Report as abuse
jaham wrote:

“A second-term State of the Union is usually written with an eye on history books and I’m sure the president is thinking about what his legacy is going to be”

Obama’s legacy:
Vilification of wealth and success
Stagnant unemployment and economic growth
Unprecedented debt and deficits
Extreme partisan bickering and divisiveness

Feb 12, 2013 9:04am EST  --  Report as abuse
morbas wrote:

@Bio Studies “that’s so bad I don’t know whether to laugh or cry”
That is a metaphysical generality interpretable by multiple ideals.

Feb 12, 2013 9:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
Humanist11 wrote:

@morbas. I like your flat tax idea and even the floor of $20K. I especially like the idea of no tax write-offs and loopholes for anybody. That seems fair to me as long as everybody pays the same rate above the floor. I would advocate for a lower rate after those changes were made to the tax code. Congress also needs to trim the budget by lowering the perceived obligations and responsibilities it has to the world and some citizens of the US. The US taxpayers are not responsible for world peace or for people who will not take responsibility for their own livelihood. We do need a safety net to help those who CANNOT help themselves.

Feb 12, 2013 11:43am EST  --  Report as abuse
fedupaj wrote:

Obama vowed to cut deficits in half by the end of his first term but instead quadrupled them over the previous administation. His so called legacy is going to the president that destroyed America and he showed the world that an incompetent should never be elected to office. I think one of the most amazing things is how liberals are so stupid that they still support this disaster of a president. How in the hell did this guy get re-elected with such a dismal record?

Feb 12, 2013 11:44am EST  --  Report as abuse
BillDexter wrote:

Fairness requires top earners pay more.

Or maybe fairness requires that the government subsidizes less. With industry chased out of the country and over a million people pouring into our country every year to collect benefits that last 4.92 trillion will go to zero in a generation.

So, what are we doing? Are we trying to save the private sector engine that feeds public budgets so we can go on or are we going for the kill right now to usher in a new era of socialism? A great ideological divide is with us, already crisply brief.

Feb 12, 2013 12:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
spca wrote:

76% of american viewers will not watch the liar. source, yahoo poll.

Feb 12, 2013 12:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
NCMAN64 wrote:

With Obama, it’s no mystery why he’s pushing his eventual gun confiscation scheme a step at a time, a disarmed populous is easier to control. With all the other schemes that he is responsible for, it easy for most to see that Obama the incompetent cannot be trusted. His anti-American lies will be the typical liberal Marxist style, to drain this country of it’s power of freedom, the armed citizens.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.” -Dr Joseph Goebbels

Feb 12, 2013 12:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AdamSmith wrote:

Immigration is destroying the American middle class.

Labor, like any economic resource, obeys the law of supply and demand. If you dump labor into a market, it drives down the wage-rate.

The plain fact is that immigration into any modern country has two serious, lethal effects on the native-born citizens:
1. Immigration sharply drives down wage rates.
2. Immigration sharply drives up housing costs (rent rates).

Thus employers and landlords benefit from immigration.
Thus common workers are greatly harmed by immigration.

The Immigration Act of 1924 greatly reduced immigration into the US, which, at that time, was greatly damaging the American working class.

Thus, in the 1950′s and 1960′s, the height of middle class prosperity in Amerca, foreign-born persons in the US amounted to 4.6% of the population.

Today, foreign-born persons in the US amount to 24.5% of the population, the highest in American history.

Immigration is destroying the American working class, and President Obama is partly responsible. He has stabbed the American worker in the back.

Feb 12, 2013 1:05pm EST  --  Report as abuse
sjfella wrote:

If he applauds his own accomplishments it’ll be a short speech.

Feb 12, 2013 1:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
morbas wrote:

@Humanmist11 and everyone,
The $3.8T revenue covers Health, Social Security, whatever Federal fees. Copy paste and send ‘Fairness requires top earners pay more’ paragraph as a ‘mandate’ to your Representative and two Senators. This will immediately balance the budget.

Feb 12, 2013 1:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jaham wrote:


Even if you had $3.8T trillion in revenues to match outlays today, the projected growth in cost (outlays) far exceeds the projected increase in revenues (wage growth), which means we’ll find ourselves in the same pickle years down the road if we don’t cut spending.

Medicare is projected to be short of sufficient funds by 2024, and that’s AFTER the implementation of Obamacare; we can’t meet those liabilities through income tax…changes have to be made.

Feb 12, 2013 3:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bagehot wrote:

@Adam Smith
Actually the highest proportion of foreign-born persons in the U.S. was 100%, and they elected George Washington president.

Feb 12, 2013 5:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
moonhill wrote:

His legacy will be the destruction of America’s health care system. I am hearing more and more form health care providers who say many services will no longer be available to senior adults. Once you reach a certain age, forget it. You are just a drain on society and you can suffer and die.

Feb 12, 2013 6:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TeaPublican wrote:

Well the obama’s can drag in all their liberal heros and so called victims that they want to because we TeaPublicans can counter all of them with Ted Nugent, a TRUE American ‘Patriot”!

Feb 12, 2013 6:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TeaPublican wrote:

Well the obama’s can drag in all their liberal heros and so called victims that they want to because we TeaPublicans can counter all of them with Ted Nugent, a TRUE American ‘Patriot”!

Feb 12, 2013 6:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
susette wrote:

While it may be Obama’s unfinished task to complete the promises he laid out for his first term (and now his second), it is still Carl Rove’s task to see that it does not happen. We have had an awful lot of poverty, war and hardship since Geo. Bush was in office, and the republicans still want us to believe the mean democrats are to blame. Well I am sorry. It ALL happened on the Republican watch, and no one has been able to crack the code and make it right.

Feb 12, 2013 6:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
neillevine3 wrote:

This article says that Obama is proposing the same things that led to a lousy economy ast year. At over$95 for West Texas crude, the commodity market iz saying it does not expect him to increase energy supplies.

Feb 12, 2013 7:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bubba311 wrote:

What we’ll get in this speech is more campaign style demagoguery along with another tiresome dose of class warfare rhetoric and populist platitudes. Policies resulting from this President’s
underlying pro-big government, pro-big labor, anti-capitalism,
anti-business ideology will continue to make it prohibitively expensive for businesses to hire people. We should be grateful for a GOP minority party to help mitigate the damage this President is doing to our economic system.

Feb 12, 2013 7:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
americanguy wrote:

A simple and true address would be:
“Ladies and gentlemen, the state of the union is a lot better off than when I took over 4 years ago in spite of Republicans trying to destroy our country for political gains and bribes”.
That’s all that President Obama really needs to say.

Feb 12, 2013 7:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
IrateNate wrote:

After four years of divisive politics, Obama plans on…more of the same. Yes, in King Barack’s mind, the GOP is the only thing that stands in the way of his vision of Utopia. Never for a minute does he consider that his ideas are simply not popular, and that they will not work. I would imagine that this speech will be every bit as partisan and as aggressive as the one he whipped out for the Royal Coronation. Pitifylly predictable, nobody really wants to listen to the same old rhetoric, the same tired blame games, and the same empty promises from our clown-president.

Feb 12, 2013 7:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Missourimule wrote:

Doggone it, it’s just a snafu of scheduling, but the Westminister Dog Show is tonight, and I just can’t miss that . . . . otherwise, Mr. President, I’d be sitting right there on the front row as you humiliate whatever segment of society you deem most profitable for your current cause.

Feb 12, 2013 7:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Dragos111 wrote:

The Republicans are doing EXACTLY what they were elected to do. They took the House on a Conservative wave. They were put there to try to keep Obama from bankrupting the country further. They were put there so there would be some controls to keep us from becoming the next Greece.

The media really wants the Republicans to go back to compromising with the Democrats. The problem with compromise it that it slowly moves us toward a Marxist, or even Communist, state.

When the “do-nothing” Congress does the job it was hired to do, it keeps Obama from doing the damage he would like to do to America.

Feb 12, 2013 8:05pm EST  --  Report as abuse
medic wrote:

Some of us put up with eight years of Reagan. Surely, some of us can put up with eight years of Obama.

Feb 12, 2013 8:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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