Republican senator says will block CIA, Pentagon nominees

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Speaker2 wrote:

Water pass the bridge. Sure its sad these four people were killed, but they were in a dangerous place and knew it. Beating a dead horse. Looking forward, the state department will play it safer, time to move on and start dealing with problems that are upfront right now, instead of CYA yourself to the far right extreme and the T-Baggers. You don’t have to justify yourself to the likes of Fox News and Rush.

Feb 10, 2013 3:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

Let’s not pretend that the Republicans are here to serve the people. Quite the opposite is true. They are here to make sure our government remains dysfunctional. THIS is what they do. No one should be surprise over this. Be surprised when they DON’T obstruct.

They are the enemy. They want things to break down so they can blame the Democrats and take over. Once that happens, democracy is dead in America. They don’t want democracy. They want an authoritarian state, where only the policies of plutocratic rightwing extremism are instituted, while the voices of the working majority are ignored or silenced.

Feb 10, 2013 3:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Tiu wrote:

American democracy is a farce. Either way the same, faceless back-room boys will be calling the agenda.
America is a slave colony for the New World Order.

Feb 10, 2013 3:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
tatman wrote:

the republicans are traitors to the american people. their criminal negligence and dereliction of duty is putting our national security and the welfare of every american at risk. it’s time we round up these fanatics and strip them of their salary, benefits and status as “servants” of the people. they have, and continue to, failed the people they have sworn an oath to serve, and instead are on a mission to destroy our government, our economy and our country all out of hatred and vengeance against one man: President Obama.

Feb 10, 2013 3:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bobw7s6 wrote:

The good people of South Carolina need to vote this little weasel out of office come 2014. He’s been nothing but a total disaster for the state.

Feb 10, 2013 3:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bates148 wrote:

@flashrooster Wow. A little extreme?

Feb 10, 2013 3:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bobw7s6 wrote:

The good people of South Carolina need to vote this little weasel out of office come 2014. He’s been nothing but a total disaster for the state.

Feb 10, 2013 3:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

bates148: Not at all. Extreme is blocking two fully qualified nominees chosen by a President elected by a majority of the American people. Extreme is gerrymandering districts across this country so that one political party can have more control than our system allows, forcing an extremist ideology on a majority that rejected that ideology in the last election. Extreme is forcing an absurdly inefficient, devastatingly expensive healthcare system on the American people so that a few powerful people can get obscenely wealthy. Extreme is having a Supreme Court that can’t tell the difference between a corporation and a human being. Extreme is allowing a cadre of plutocrats take over our government by bribing our politicians with campaign donations in exchange for passing legislation that will increase their wealth at the expense of 99.9% of us. Extreme is duping the citizens of the most powerful nation in the world into backing an unnecessary, ill-advised war, costing 4500 US soldiers their lives, 100,000 Iraqi citizens their lives, over a trillion in tax revenue, and the credibility of our nation. Need I say more? THAT is extreme. My little factual post is hardly extreme, and until more Americans wake up and recognize what it says, America will continue it’s decline into a new kind of 3rd world country, and it’s not looking pretty. Extreme is doing nothing and letting this happen without a fight.

Feb 10, 2013 4:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
alexpinca1 wrote:

How many U.S. Senators have decided, in the last few months, not to seek re-election. I have a question for Senator Graham…does he believe that it is this kind of political partisan mud that is turning the office of U.S. Senator into a joke. Right wing senators will not be happy until they make some of the Benghazi mud stick on the wall. I won’t repeat what flashrooster said but he is right on!!!

Feb 10, 2013 5:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jrpardinas wrote:

He’s probably taking this “principled stance” at the request of his patrons in the Israeli Lobby who are none too happy about Hegel’s appointment and for whom this South Carolina neocon tooth fairy is one of the biggest shills in Congress.

Feb 10, 2013 5:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SanPa wrote:

Graham must have slept through Clinton’s debriefing.

Feb 10, 2013 5:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Curmudgeon wrote:

To be fair, I’m curious too. To hear SDI (State Dept Intelligence) tell it initially, it was a reaction against a video. The CIA, etc. later said they always knew it was terrorism. It sounds like one of two things – either SDI did not confirm their conclusions with other intelligence sources, or CIA/DIA, well, lied to them. Either way, it seems to indicate some discord, or at least incompetence. It would do well for the American public to know what really happened here.

Feb 10, 2013 5:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
americanguy wrote:

When I saw the headline, I knew it was South Carolina’s Lindsey Gayem.
What a total nut case, but the perfect poster girl for the right wing Republicans.

Feb 10, 2013 5:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
CMEBARK wrote:

The GOP wants to focus on four people. What about the thousands of GIs who have died in the middle East due to Bush’s WMD dream. Graham is just another one of those gun loving rednecks bigots that are as common as mint juleps you find in the South. They have never recovered from Appomattox.

Feb 10, 2013 6:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Raelyn wrote:

Graham, McCain, and that new wierdo, Ted Cruz, are all totally crazed in their determination to wreck America because we have a black president. Speaker2 is right — they are kicking a dead horse, and kicking and kicking and kicking and kicking and kicking ….. while Obama is trying to run the country, they keep kicking that poor old dead horse…

Feb 10, 2013 6:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
fromthecenter wrote:

So much for not being the party of stupid…

Feb 10, 2013 6:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Egladys wrote:

They should have gone with the ‘nuclear option’ on the filibuster. whew, when I saw the headline I thought it was probably one of mine (AL) or flashrooster’s (MS)senators. thank goodness for SC!

Feb 10, 2013 6:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bates148 wrote:

@flashrooster

Very partisan statements. Calling the Republicans an enemy of the United States is a very extreme position.

“Extreme is blocking two fully qualified nominees chosen by a President elected by a majority of the American people.”

So in your view, the Republicans should approve and do whatever the president wants, never contesting? They are not allowed to disagree because the majority–51% of the vote–elected the other candidate? I’m sorry, but that’s a dictatorship and not part of our system.

“Extreme is gerrymandering districts across this country so that one political party can have more control than our system allows, forcing an extremist ideology on a majority that rejected that ideology in the last election.”

Please, Democrats are as guilty as Republicans when it comes to gerrymandering. And there is nothing extreme with the core principles of the Republican party. The Democrats have a president and a majority in the Senate and not too long ago, they held a majority in the Congress. The Republicans aren’t forcing anything on anybody.

“Extreme is forcing an absurdly inefficient, devastatingly expensive healthcare system on the American people so that a few powerful people can get obscenely wealthy.”

Yes, the current system needs reform. But many people do not see government involvement as making the system more efficient. To blame Republicans for the current system is extreme.

“Extreme is having a Supreme Court that can’t tell the difference between a corporation and a human being.”

Corporate personhood is a legal concept that has existed since 1818.

“Extreme is allowing a cadre of plutocrats take over our government by bribing our politicians with campaign donations in exchange for passing legislation that will increase their wealth at the expense of 99.9% of us.”

Both Republicans and Democrats are guilty of receiving benefits from lobbying. Can you present some factual information to back up this statement. I would be curious to see it.

“Extreme is duping the citizens of the most powerful nation in the world into backing an unnecessary, ill-advised war, costing 4500 US soldiers their lives, 100,000 Iraqi citizens their lives, over a trillion in tax revenue, and the credibility of our nation.”

I know it’s hard to believe, but at one time the Democrats supported the Iraq war and they are still supporting a failed war in Afghanistan.

Need I say more? THAT is extreme. My little factual post is hardly extreme, and until more Americans wake up and recognize what it says, America will continue it’s decline into a new kind of 3rd world country, and it’s not looking pretty. Extreme is doing nothing and letting this happen without a fight.

Come on now, you seem like a smart person but do you honestly believe this? $15.09 trillion GDP with 2% growth. Things are not really great, but I recommend taking a trip to other parts of the world before you buy into this. Many in other countries would view the poor in this country as rich.

Feb 10, 2013 6:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

bates148: If there weren’t people like yourself determined to defend the current indefensible then we wouldn’t have a problem, would we? They couldn’t get away with doing what they’re doing if there weren’t a sizable number of FOX News watching Koolaid drinkers rooting on the madness. You spin, reword, exaggerate, prevaricate, misleadingly extrapolate, whatever it takes to defend rightwing extremism that is destroying this country. There are always people like you. There were Tories during the Revolutionary war. The Nazis had a lot of citizens supporting their party, as did the communists during their takeover in China. So, it’s okay. Carry on. You merely carry on an historical precedent that was started a long time ago. But usually, eventually, the people come through. What you’re defending is opposed to the best interests of the vast majority of American people.

Look at your excuse for the Iraq War: “I know it’s hard to believe, but at one time the Democrats supported the Iraq war and they are still supporting a failed war in Afghanistan.” And you actually think that’s a rational, viable excuse. True, everyone must take responsibility for their actions, including those who supported the war. But here’s the important point that you’re intentionally sidestepping: There wouldn’t have been an invasion of Iraq if it wasn’t for Bush, the Republicans, and the dishonest justifications they bamboozled the US with. That’s the unvarnished truth. 4500 dead US soldiers would still be with us today if Bush didn’t lie his why into war.

Feb 10, 2013 7:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
diddums wrote:

Now if only Senator Graham would try as hard for the USS Liberty survivors.

Feb 10, 2013 7:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Saywhaaaaa wrote:

I don’t want to go to an extensive list of dislikes about Graham or the Senate Republicans but to be on topic it is not dictatorship to let the President have the cabinet he likes and to have the Senate vote up or down on a confirmation. Holding up a nomination of a qualified candidate to the detriment of the security and well being of our country for political purposes can be considered by some as treasonous as it weakens us as a nation. The Benghazi attack these days is nothing but political. The way Republicans have always dragged their feet in almost every investigation during the last administration is proof enough. Pat Tillman was killed by friendly fire during an election year and within days it was known he was killed by friendly fire and yet McChrystal put forth a Silver Star medal petition . Weeks Tillman had a national funeral with him being honored as being killed in action and the Bush administration continued this fraud through the election along with the phony Jessica Lynch story. It took 2 years to have an investigation in to this obvious Tillman and Lynch fraud. Yet Benghazi happened in September on the same day there were dozens of protests against an offending film and the Obama administration is to be directly blamed for this. A congressional investigation in a matter of months as opposed to years for Tillman, years for 9/11 and years to find out how the Bush admin lost 8-12 billion dollars in cash and the Republicans screaming and kicking it’s all about politics along the way. The largest direct executive decision that had Americans killed overseas would probably have to be Reagan who was President when 241 US servicemen were killed in Beiruit in 1983 in one day by a suicide bomber. But the ’83 Republicans slowly dragged their feet on that one not to mention invaded Grenada days after the bombing to find something better to talk about.

Feb 10, 2013 7:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Saywhaaaaa wrote:

I don’t want to go to an extensive list of dislikes about Graham or the Senate Republicans but to be on topic it is not dictatorship to let the President have the cabinet he likes and to have the Senate vote up or down on a confirmation. Holding up a nomination of a qualified candidate to the detriment of the security and well being of our country for political purposes can be considered by some as treasonous as it weakens us as a nation. The Benghazi attack these days is nothing but political. The way Republicans have always dragged their feet in almost every investigation during the last administration is proof enough. Pat Tillman was killed by friendly fire during an election year and within days it was known he was killed by friendly fire and yet McChrystal put forth a Silver Star medal petition . Weeks Tillman had a national funeral with him being honored as being killed in action and the Bush administration continued this fraud through the election along with the phony Jessica Lynch story. It took 2 years to have an investigation in to this obvious Tillman and Lynch fraud. Yet Benghazi happened in September on the same day there were dozens of protests against an offending film and the Obama administration is to be directly blamed for this. A congressional investigation in a matter of months as opposed to years for Tillman, years for 9/11 and years to find out how the Bush admin lost 8-12 billion dollars in cash and the Republicans screaming and kicking it’s all about politics along the way. The largest direct executive decision that had Americans killed overseas would probably have to be Reagan who was President when 241 US servicemen were killed in Beiruit in 1983 in one day by a suicide bomber. But the ’83 Republicans slowly dragged their feet on that one not to mention invaded Grenada days after the bombing to find something better to talk about.

Feb 10, 2013 7:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SeniorMoment wrote:

Why didn’t Republican Senator Lindsey Graham take any interest in the 12 embassy employees killed during the time in office of former President G. W. Bush. The Republicans are acting like Pit Bulls that bit down on board coated with super glue and can’t free themselves of unreasoned reactions.

Feb 10, 2013 7:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Harry079 wrote:

For crying out loud, cut the crap and just let the nominees get an up or down vote and call it a day.

Feb 10, 2013 7:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
usagadfly wrote:

Since when is a single Senator able to block the entire Senate?

Time to just stop sending South Carolina any Federal money at all. Pull out the Navy, stop the Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security checks and see how his constituents like that. Too bad his real constituents in Israel can’t be cut off as easily. Time for an extensive administrative “review” and “audit” of spending in South Carolina.

Feb 10, 2013 8:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bates148 wrote:

@flashrooster Let’s try to debate one another’s viewpoints. If you have nothing but personal attacks, then my arguments are clearly not indefensible.

I’m not providing an excuse for the Iraq war, I’m merely presenting the fact that it wasn’t just evil Republicans who supported the war at its start. Using the deaths of US soldiers does little to corroborate your earlier statements about Republicans. One can easily counter with Mr Obama’s 2008 campaign promise to end the war in Iraq and strengthen efforts in Afghanistan. Since then, 1547 US soldiers have fallen. Is that not a costly, unnecessary and ill-advised war?

Feb 10, 2013 8:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Margincall wrote:

Everybody please settle down. Partisan name calling doesn’t advance intelligent thought and now more than ever we in this country we need to be thoughtful. Senator Graham isn’t playing partisan politics; he genuinely believes the US government is covering up gross negligence. He doesn’t want Benghazi to happen again somewhere else. And if you actually read the news, you would know that in South Carolina Senator Graham is reviled by the tea partiers, and considered a liberal. He is one of the few voices of reason in the Senate.

Feb 10, 2013 9:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Raelyn wrote:

bates148 — the casualties in Afghanistan since Obama took office are a result of his having to clean up the Bush Administration’s mess.. would you rather we just walk away and there be no more casualties? Many would.

Feb 10, 2013 9:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MacMan wrote:

Ah, AIPAC and the rest of the Neo-Con pro-Israel lobby is in full force, and Senator Lindsey Graham, bought and paid for, is delivering.

We all knew the knives were out for Hagel, it was was just a matter of what the pretext will be.

Brennan is just collateral damage of the Hagel blocking, to cover Graham against charges of doing the bidding of the Netanyahu wing and likely to be approved later by the Republicans in exchange for Obama replacing Hagel with someone who will toe the traditional pro-Likud line.

Shame on Graham.

Feb 10, 2013 10:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MacMan wrote:

Ah, AIPAC and the rest of the Neo-Con pro-Israel lobby is in full force, and Senator Lindsey Graham, bought and paid for, is delivering.

We all knew the knives were out for Hagel, it was was just a matter of what the pretext will be.

Brennan is just collateral damage of the Hagel blocking, to cover Graham against charges of doing the bidding of the Netanyahu wing and likely to be approved later by the Republicans in exchange for Obama replacing Hagel with someone who will toe the traditional pro-Likud line.

Shame on Graham.

Feb 10, 2013 10:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MacMan wrote:

Ah, AIPAC and the rest of the Neo-Con pro-Israel lobby is in full force, and Senator Lindsey Graham, bought and paid for, is delivering.

We all knew the knives were out for Hagel, it was was just a matter of what the pretext will be.

Brennan is just collateral damage of the Hagel blocking, to cover Graham against charges of doing the bidding of the Netanyahu wing and likely to be approved later by the Republicans in exchange for Obama replacing Hagel with someone who will toe the traditional pro-Likud line.

Shame on Graham.

Feb 10, 2013 10:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MacMan wrote:

Ah, AIPAC and the rest of the Neo-Con pro-Israel lobby is in full force, and Senator Lindsey Graham, bought and paid for, is delivering.

We all knew the knives were out for Hagel, it was was just a matter of what the pretext will be.

Brennan is just collateral damage of the Hagel blocking, to cover Graham against charges of doing the bidding of the Netanyahu wing and likely to be approved later by the Republicans in exchange for Obama replacing Hagel with someone who will toe the traditional pro-Likud line.

Shame on Graham.

Feb 10, 2013 10:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bunker555 wrote:

Got to watch the GOP senators in this SNL clip that never aired.

Last night’s “Saturday Night Live” did not feature an opening sketch in which Republican senators demand that defense secretary nominee Chuck Hagel perform oral sex on a donkey in the name of Israel’s national defense, but that hasn’t stopped a video of the dress rehearsal finding its way online.

Jason Sudeikis played Hagel in the sketch, which was intended to mock Republicans’ fervent support of Israel during the actual Hagel confirmation hearings. It was authored by veteran comedy writer Jim Downey.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/10/snl-cuts-sketch-in-which-gop-asks-chuck-hagel-whether-hed-perform-oral-sex-to-help-israel-video/#ixzz2KYfXRyAw

Feb 10, 2013 10:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

bates148: They’re not personal attacks; it’s the sad truth. You’re apparently incapable of debating the issues because all you’re interested in is defending the Republicans and attacking the Democrats. I criticize Bush and the Republicans for the Iraq War, which shouldn’t have happened. You criticize the Democrats. And here’s the thing, there would have been no Democrats, zero, voting in favor of the Iraq War had Bush, Cheney and the Republican Party not insisted we had to do it and that anyone opposing it was “UnAmerican” or “unpatriotic”. Remember those labels being thrown around? Republicans, the majority Party at the time, went public and told the American people that any Democrat opposing the war was unpatriotic. I don’t allow myself to forget those kinds of attacks on our country. It was Republicans pressuring Democrats, support the war or else. Remember Bush saying, “You’re either with us or against us?” Do you realize that 6 months into the war 70% of Americans believed that Saddam Hussein was behind the 9/11 attacks and that that’s why we were invading Iraq? That wasn’t the Democrats. That was Bush, Cheney, and several key Republicans pushing that nonsense. This is why I can’t debate the issues with you. You aren’t interested in issues. You have the same mindset that far too many on the right have. You don’t really care about the facts. You only care about what supports the right and what hurts the left. Your taking issue the the Democrats regarding the Iraq War is like blaming dragon flies for West Nile Virus because they’re not eating enough mosquitoes. It’s illogical. Try to understand this. If all the Democrats voted against the war, the war would still have taken place, so the Democrats really didn’t make any difference. The issue is the war and why it took place, not whether or not there were some Democrats who voted for the war. Geez.

And Raelyn is right. Again, there would have been zero US casualties in Afghanistan during Obama’s Presidency if Bush didn’t decide to stay there and do “nation building,” which is promised he wasn’t going to do during a debate with Al Gore. The reality is, once we commit to war, you can’t just turn around and yank all your soldiers out. There are serious considerations that must be weighed, which is, and yet, another reason why war must be a last resort. And had Obama done what you’re suggesting, you’d be the first to accusing Obama of tucking tail and running, that he was being “weak on national security”. It’s one of the reasons why politicians shouldn’t politicize national security issues. They end up convincing too many Americans that war is a sign of a strong President and avoiding war a weakness. Again, this is one of the Republicans’ favorite political cards to play. THIS is what makes me post the things I post. They are doing serious harm to this country. And I’m not saying the Democrats are perfect and hold all the answers. They aren’t and they don’t, but right now they aren’t the problem. They aren’t the party that has become the enemy.

Feb 10, 2013 10:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bunker555 wrote:

“Sen. Hagel, I think you know no one cares more deeply about the safety and security of Israel than I do,” McCain says in the sketch. “So let me pose to you a hypothetical. You get an urgent call from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who truly is one of the greatest men of this or any age, and he says to you it is vital to Israel’s security that you go on national television that night and perform oral sex on a donkey. Would you do that for Israel?”

Sudeikis’ Hagel said no, immediately drawing the ire of the Republican senators.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/10/snl-cuts-sketch-in-which-gop-asks-chuck-hagel-whether-hed-perform-oral-sex-to-help-israel-video/#ixzz2KYgsmWMm

Feb 10, 2013 10:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
taxcorps2 wrote:

Good grief. Do Republicans such as Graham think that EVERYONE is as dumb as he acts, or just those who continue to elect him?
Get a life, Graham, and those just like him. What about the report that the Republicans in the House supported the cutting of funding for security of our embassies. It is dangerous enough for teachers and children in our schools in Anywhere, U.S. of A., or people in a mall or theater or in front of a supermarket, and the brilliant Repubs continue to want to make a big deal about murders at the US embassy in an Arabic country, that just had a civil war, in today’s world?

What a flimsy excuse to try to make the other side look bad. Really, get a grip and grow up, Repubs.

Feb 10, 2013 10:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

bates148: I came across this article which includes a video clip from FOX News. This is what I’m railing against. It’s a perfect illustration of the rightwing mindset that you display in your posts. The facts don’t matter. All that matters is promoting the right and attacking the left:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2013/02/07/fox_news_expert_on_solar_energy_germany_gets_a_lot_more_sun_than_we_do_video.html?upw

Feb 10, 2013 11:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
taxcorps2 wrote:

@Bates148:

“@flashrooster Wow. A little extreme?”

No, he is not. To the contrary, he/she just told the simple truth.

Bates148, or you commenting on the behalf of the Koch Bros., Jeb Bush and ALEC?

Feb 10, 2013 11:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
taxcorps2 wrote:

If Reuters would give us a “Ditto” or a “Like” button, I would click on it for flashrooster’s last comment.

Those who are adherents to the notion that the Republicans are the Good Guys in the White Hats, as told by Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and the like, wake up and pay attention. Your country indeed IS in danger, and it is the way you think, or don’t think, and for whom you vote, that is the reason.

Feb 10, 2013 11:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bunker555 wrote:

The GOP is caving in big time to their long held extreme positions. The party leadership is extremely low calibre -> Rand Paul, Ayn Ryan, Rubio, McConnell, Priebus, Boehner, Bachmann, and Cantor. The brain trust outside the party is lower calibre -> Rove, Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, Malkin, Tucker, Drudge, Brietbart, Adelman, Kochs, Luntz, and Norquist. By 2020 the GOP will become extinct.

Feb 10, 2013 11:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bunker555 wrote:

@taxcorps2: Ditto
Carlson and Joshi were not hired by Fox News for what’s between their ears.

Feb 10, 2013 11:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bates148 wrote:

@flashrooster You write: ” I criticize Bush and the Republicans for the Iraq War, which shouldn’t have happened. You criticize the Democrats.” Not at all– I wrote, “I’m merely presenting the fact that it wasn’t just evil Republicans who supported the war at its start.” Again, your initial post labeled Republicans as enemies of the state. And you’ve used the Iraq war to justify this–I’m merely pointing out that there were Democrats that supported the war before it commenced. Hence, your argument here doesn’t hold entirely.

You also write, “The reality is, once we commit to war, you can’t just turn around and yank all your soldiers out.” I’m very surprised to see this, especially from a Democrat. This same excuse was used by the Republicans to defend the continuation of the Iraq war. It was Mr Obama’s own doing to commit a surge in Afghanistan. It was made very clear by Mr Obama that Afghanistan was to become a priority over Iraq. Thus, we would withdraw gradually from Iraq and commit more troops to Operation Enduring Freedom. To quote Mr Obama directly from 2008: “The Afghan government needs to do more. But we have to understand that the situation is precarious and urgent here in Afghanistan. And I believe this has to be our central focus, the central front, on our battle against terrorism. I think one of the biggest mistakes we’ve made strategically after 9/11 was to fail to finish the job here, focus our attention here. We got distracted by Iraq.” So no, you and Raelyn are spinning things the wrong way.

Feb 10, 2013 11:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
flashrooster wrote:

bates148: “I’m merely presenting the fact that it wasn’t just evil Republicans who supported the war at its start.” Okay, so some Democrats either let themselves be fooled by Bush’s lies and some voted in favor of the Iraq war because they were worried about the rightwing political attacks they would suffer for “being against us”. What’s your point? I’m talking about the best interests of our country, and as I stated, the GOP is standing in opposition of those best interests. The Iraq War is a very good example. And, yes, the fact that so many people lost their lives is entirely relevant. What could be more relevant?

I bring this up and all you can do is comment about how some Democrats voted in favor of the Iraq War. And I’m saying, okay, what’s your point? They were wrong, but again, it’s the actions and attitude of the Republican Party that are proving so detrimental to the US’s best interests. Again, I point out that even if all Democrats voted against going to war in Iraq, the war would still have taken place, and a lot more Democrats would probably have lost their seats in the next election. Therefore, it wasn’t the Democrats who caused the Iraq War to happen. So again I ask, what’s your point? Because I don’t see how it’s relevant to this discussion. The Republicans have taken things too far. That’s the point. That’s what’s relevant. The Democrats haven’t. Again, that’s not to say they do everything right. They don’t. Our political system is broken in that it’s bought and paid for, and the Democrats are part of that. But right not they aren’t the ones posing a threat to the US. The Republicans are.

And regarding Afghanistan, had Bush gotten out of Afghanistan in a timely manner, Obama wouldn’t have had to deal with it. He shouldn’t have. But instead of voicing your disgust in Bush for committing us to such a costly, protracted war, all you do is point out that Obama isn’t getting us out fast enough. Had he pulled out all the troops as soon as he got into office, you’d be criticizing him for that. And probably for good reason. We can debate about whether we agree with Obama’s timeline or not, but the more pertinent point is that it was Bush and the Republicans who committed us to Afghanistan and Obama has committed us to leaving. And, of course, the Republicans have criticized Obama for that, too. So, no, Raelyn and I are exactly right on this and you are simply throwing out anything to see if it will stick. The reality is this. Bush and the Republicans took us into Afghanistan. I supported the initial attack on the Taliban and the pursuit of bin Laden. But adamantly opposed the longterm commitment that Bush and the Republicans made there. Had Bush not done that, there would be no Afghanistan War for Obama to have to fool with. Bush and the Republicans left Obama with no choice. So back to my original point. The Republicans have become the enemy of the state. We were at war in both Iraq and Afghanistan because of the decisions made by Republicans. Obama isn’t posing a threat to the US because I thought he could have left Afghanistan sooner than he has planned. That’s a disagreement I have with the judgment call he made along with his generals. I’m not saying the GOP pose a threat to the US because sometimes I disagree with their judgment calls. Do you understand? It’s what they do. It’s what they do that is hurting us. The wars, our healthcare system, our tax system, our election system.

Ask yourself this question: Why is it that the Republicans always agree with the positions promoted by industries that donate so much money to their campaigns? Consider their position on oil vs green energy (There is no global warming.) Consider their position on healthcare. Consider their position they held for a long time on tobacco. Consider their position on regulating the banks. Consider their position on oversight of the investment industry. (They’re currently refusing to allow a vote on Obama’s choice to run the Bureau of Consumer Protection.) Consider their position on war and defense spending and the military-industrial complex. Do you think it’s all just a coincidence, that our major industries always have the American people’s best interests at heart? Come on.

Feb 11, 2013 12:50am EST  --  Report as abuse
JamesChirico wrote:

Hagel had nothing to with Bengazi, yet this fool holds him up using that BS excuse. This POS Senator is on the subcommittee on emerging threats and capabilities. He is also complicit in the failure to protect these 4 embassy personell. The executive request for State Dept security funding was cut. The GOP says “they failed” instead of we failed. Rubes can get played on this tragedy, stuff happens. 12 attacks on embassy people happened during Bush’s term, many with greater loss of life. You never heard they failed to protect our people until the GOP tried to use it in the presidential election.

Feb 11, 2013 7:12am EST  --  Report as abuse
Raelyn wrote:

I am an old woman, but I can remember when President Eisenhower warned that the growth of the military/industrial complex business (began during WWII) in this country would eventually control us — which has come to pass. They must needs keep wars going to stay in business and it keeps the unemployment numbers a little lower. To do this they must needs keep congressmen in line with their needs, which they can afford from all the fat contracts congress gives them. That is how it looks to me. Just saying.

Feb 11, 2013 9:33am EST  --  Report as abuse
Eideard wrote:

Heartwarming to watch the Republicans maintain the same strategy that served them so well in 2012. Hey, Lindsay – lets hear your views on rape, birth control, abortion, immigration reform, voter access to the polls, having few more wars around the world?

A few more leadership examples like this and the Republicans will be able to hold their 2016 nominating convention in the men’s room at Grand Central Station.

Feb 11, 2013 12:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bates148 wrote:

@flashrooster You write: “What’s your point?” Well, feel free to reread your earlier statements. I’m not going to waste my time trying to tell you what you wrote and what I’m contesting (I’ve already done it twice). It should be clear. The fact that some Democrats (40% House, 42% Senate) supported the war voids your earlier statement. Since you don’t see the relevance in this, we can debate any of the other statements you made in your initial post.

“We can debate about whether we agree with Obama’s timeline or not, but the more pertinent point is that it was Bush and the Republicans who committed us to Afghanistan and Obama has committed us to leaving.”

Since when are we talking about the specifics of the timeline? You (and very similarly Raelyn) have argued that Mr Obama would have zero casualties if Mr Bush did not do “nation building” and if Mr Obama had no “mess” to clean up. This “what if” scenario does nothing to bolster your earlier position against Republicans. The fact of the matter is, Mr Obama committed the US more deeply to the conflict than Mr Bush ever did. This was his intention when he ran for office and it was put into action shortly after he was elected. You are simply dodging the truth here.

I understand you have very strong feelings against Republicans. Many have the same feelings about Democrats. But to suggest the Republicans are enemies of the state, that they want to end democracy and are willing to turn the country into “a new kind of 3rd world country” is nothing short of extreme. The irony of all of this is that you try to decipher the intentions of right-wing extremism, but the output, in itself, is a form of left-wing extremism. This bigotry is a reason why our nation is so divided.

Feb 11, 2013 1:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bemore2day wrote:

How about this for a concept: How about the politicians stop perverting and abusing the procedural options available to them for political gain?

This move by Graham is an attempt at blackmail of sorts to address a concern (he has) that has nothing to do with the confirmation.

If Mr. Graham wants additional information about Bengahzi then let him do it through appropriate channels and procedure.

Misuse/abuse/perversions of procedure such as the filibuster, raising the debt ceiling, and holding up confirmation votes are all underhanded measures that should be beneath the standards of our elected officials.

Gentlemen, please stop perverting our system of government and do your jobs! Work responsibly within the system, not around it!

Feb 11, 2013 2:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
sweetwilli wrote:

Graham is trying to overcome the “too gay for South Carolina” label from the state GOP head. He thinks he is appearing strong when in fact he is only looking whiney and foolish by even those in South Carolina who expect more. If he wants to appear strong and effective, he would be working with the President to move the country forward, rather than creating stupid diversions and acting as if he is accomplishing something

Feb 11, 2013 3:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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