North Korean nuclear test draws anger, including from China

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victor672 wrote:

Perhaps Dear Leader Boy has blown himself up.

Feb 11, 2013 10:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
USA4 wrote:

amazing how fast the tides of war are receding! maybe instead of just taking our nuclear arsenal apart as Obama suggests, we could sell our nuclear warheads to north korea and use the proceeds to fund a very very small portion of obamacare? (no need to worry according to the obama administration- even if countries like north korea and iran have warheads, they don’t have the ability to deliver them… if you believe that, I’ve got a bridge you might be interested in…)

Feb 11, 2013 10:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
actnow wrote:

Now what Mr. President? More rhetoric on citizenship for those here illegally, tax funding for abortion clinics, unlimited spending for everything under the sun, and anything else to whip up the base? Seems to help keep everyone’s minds off the world around us that is collapsing, not to mention our dollar.

Feb 11, 2013 11:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
OzBolts wrote:

As much sabre rattling comes out of the NK regime… it only takes one underestimation, and South Korea could be quite easily taken by the military might of the North.

If retaliation is threatened (if the NK truly do weaponize the nucelear boogeyman they’ve unleashed), I suspect they would threaten Japan with Nuclear reprisal. A hostage, of sorts, knowing full well that it’s an all or nothing play, and China will not tolerate US Nuclear involvement, or provocation, in their neck of the woods.

I guess the questions comes: the current NK regime, has it really taken on a super-villanous tone… or is this just more sabre rattling?

Probably the latter.

But one day, I feel like it’ll be the former, and that’s going to be interesting.

Feb 11, 2013 11:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
dolphins wrote:

Can’t you just act normal, North Korea?

Feb 12, 2013 12:02am EST  --  Report as abuse
JH818 wrote:

Everyone here: Turn off your computer and TV, go to your nearest university and purchase as many world history books as you can find. You can try to make a relevant comment about US foreign and domestic policy AFTER you finish reading them.

Feb 12, 2013 12:57am EST  --  Report as abuse
JohnNico wrote:

If I was the young Kim…i would develop these weapons as soon as possible, and, then use them as soon as possible…knowing that, at this point, America will not do anything……

Feb 12, 2013 1:41am EST  --  Report as abuse
JohnNico wrote:

If I was the young Kim…i would develop these weapons as soon as possible, and, then use them as soon as possible…knowing that, at this point, America will not do anything……

Feb 12, 2013 1:41am EST  --  Report as abuse
JohnNico wrote:

Obama sucks.

Feb 12, 2013 1:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
Snowpine wrote:

Obama has nothing to do with North Korea’s testing. Nor does our healthcare have anything to do with the subject..

Illogical people with tunnel vision

Feb 12, 2013 2:01am EST  --  Report as abuse
sbmmaster wrote:

Why would North Korea want talks? It has stated very clearly that it has no intention of disarmament. If that’s true, talks are pointless.

Feb 12, 2013 2:16am EST  --  Report as abuse
jasonbrann wrote:

the only nuke that’ll land in north america will land on area 51, exposing the truth, which is just some old skeletons with large heads.

Feb 12, 2013 2:16am EST  --  Report as abuse
Invictuss wrote:

about time…

Feb 12, 2013 2:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

China is not going to be happy with NK. They do not want a war on their borders. North Korea is actually pushing action by China, and not the US. China is their rich ally, NK may be a little smarter than people gives them credit for.

Feb 12, 2013 2:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
Montpessat wrote:

Fooling around with nuclear testing is never good for our planet. Let’s see where in China the next big earthquake will shake.

Feb 12, 2013 2:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
Yamayoko wrote:

Kim jong-un was geared up to celebrate the lunar new year with this kind of firework. So N.Korea had banned all civilian firecrackers.

Feb 12, 2013 2:50am EST  --  Report as abuse
bill1212 wrote:

No worry, we will just give them a few billion like we do every other country in the world and everything will be fine.

Feb 12, 2013 3:07am EST  --  Report as abuse
Joe_Casepack wrote:

The USA and Obama are so angry they are going to do absolutely nothing about this.

Feb 12, 2013 4:41am EST  --  Report as abuse
Jocomus wrote:

In nuclear arms, everybody is talking about downhill, whilst DPRK is still walking uphill. Kim is out of era. He should test nuke in outer space if he can shoot a rocket far enough.

Feb 12, 2013 5:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
stambo2001 wrote:

Kim Jong-un thumbs his nose at Obama the day of his State of the Union address, harharhar! Iran freely installing thousands more centrifuges capable of producing fissile material even faster. Man-o-man could you ever have imagined the usa being so completely and utterly toothless?

This war if it happens will be all on Obama, and it will make those ‘Bush Wars’ the lefties like to foam at the mouth about look like something from the bargain bin. Seoul and Japan would be decimated while the global economy falls back to the Dark Ages. Go Barry go!

Feb 12, 2013 6:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
stambo2001 wrote:

Kim Jong-un thumbs his nose at Obama the day of his State of the Union address, harharhar! Iran freely installing thousands more centrifuges capable of producing fissile material even faster. Man-o-man could you ever have imagined the usa being so completely and utterly toothless?

This war if it happens will be all on Obama, and it will make those ‘Bush Wars’ the lefties like to foam at the mouth about look like something from the bargain bin. Seoul and Japan would be decimated while the global economy falls back to the Dark Ages. Go Barry go!

Feb 12, 2013 6:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
reality-again wrote:

China created a monster right in its backyard.
Now let China deal with it, if it can.

-Can it?!…

Feb 12, 2013 6:54am EST  --  Report as abuse
ErnestPayne wrote:

And the media, in the US at least, goes into fearmongering overdrive. Keep the peons terrified. How many times can they cry wolf?

Feb 12, 2013 7:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
2Confused wrote:

Does anyone need further proof that Obama’s foreign policy doesn’t exist? The man is a clueless buffoon.

Feb 12, 2013 7:13am EST  --  Report as abuse
orlandojim wrote:

Words do nothing, neither do sanctions because China, Iran and other nations do not follow them.

Feb 12, 2013 7:16am EST  --  Report as abuse
americanguy wrote:

I wish GW Bush would run for President.
He would show the North Koreans who’s boss and stop the nuclear tests!
If only we had a Republican as President, North Korea would have never exploded the first bomb in 2006.

Feb 12, 2013 7:21am EST  --  Report as abuse
terpsez11 wrote:

N Korea knows from how B Clinton used to reward them with treats when they misbehaved–that the Progressives are on their side

Obama will give them what they want –all they have to do is play the alarmist game so the press can lie about what they will give them–and Obama can make some news for a few hours

Feb 12, 2013 7:21am EST  --  Report as abuse
Knaws wrote:

Our choices? Nothing good. If, IF, China isn’t fully funding and supporting this effort behind the scenes, AND NK is limited financially; then a limited air strike against nuclear facilities could be effective. Of course, the response to our ally in SK would be all out war.

It comes down to if you believe NK is playing nuclear chicken or if they really would go to war. The world is watching (i.e. Iran, Venezuela) and so for the game seems to be winning. I don’t think this will have a good ending either way so the sooner the world deals with this the better.

Feb 12, 2013 7:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
TyroneJ wrote:

A big yawn. As Yuriko Koike, the former Minister of Defence and National Security Adviser of Japan said on a piece on April 24, 2012, radioactive elements, such as Krypton-85 or Xenon-135, were not detected in the atmosphere after previous “nuclear tests” by North Korea. Which calls into question whether those tests were (or went) nuclear at all. She speculated that the next “nuclear test” probably will occur as soon as 500-1,000 tons of dynamite have been secured by North Korea in order to create the seismic shock. Apparently North Korea managed to accumulate that much.

“The ghost of North Korea”
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/04/201242373036724717.html

Feb 12, 2013 7:37am EST  --  Report as abuse

Funny, last I heard, Obama was busy dismantling the US nuclear weapons deterrent by cutting the number of weapons we have nearly in half. Boy, that will show those North Koreans our “firm resolve”. I bet that Iran is watching too.

Feb 12, 2013 7:52am EST  --  Report as abuse
ConradU812 wrote:

Apparently, China doesn’t have as tight a grip as they thought, on the little emperor.

Feb 12, 2013 8:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
Redeye29464 wrote:

Quite simple. Lift all restrictions from Japan. Let Japan re-arm. This will horrify NK, tick off China, and take the issue off our plates. Japan will look to rebuild their military which will give a boost to their economy. Will not cost the USA anything. Heck, we might even be selling them some non-classified stuff which would boost our own economy.

Feb 12, 2013 8:27am EST  --  Report as abuse
hunterson wrote:

Great job, Mr. Obama: Iran, N. Korea, Moslem Brotherhood, Al Qaeda resurgent, Syrian fiasco, anti-Christian ethnic cleansing in Africa, and an international financial system that makes a house of cards look strong. Oh yeah, don’t forget about Russia testing new nuclear weapons systems.

Feb 12, 2013 8:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
PatrickT wrote:

At tonight’s State of the Union Show Obama will “condemn” North Korea while he takes positive steps to diminish America’s nuclear capabilities, infringe on Americans’ right to keep and bear arms, “address” the hoax of global warming by further taxation and restrictions on America’s ability to produce, and bring the nation another step down the moral ladder by destroying the institution of marriage.

Feb 12, 2013 8:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
PatrickT wrote:

At tonight’s State of the Union Show Obama will “condemn” North Korea while he takes positive steps to diminish America’s nuclear capabilities, infringe on Americans’ right to keep and bear arms, “address” the hoax of global warming by further taxation and restrictions on America’s ability to produce, and bring the nation another step down the moral ladder by destroying the institution of marriage.

Feb 12, 2013 8:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
Sigmond wrote:

Iran watches this and laughs at the US and its sanctions. They know Obama is all show and no go.

Feb 12, 2013 9:00am EST  --  Report as abuse
Tmrw2044 wrote:

Amazing or maybe not, majority of comments here are pure idiotic and shows just how uneducated and misinformed some people are. Sad commentary. The stupidity is actually scarier than N.Korea’s saber rattling.

Feb 12, 2013 9:03am EST  --  Report as abuse
cebva wrote:

Tinpot dictators in the third world with nuclear weapons? Very dangerous. Don’t fall for the idiot Biden’s assertion they need a sophisticated missile system to deliver the goods. They can smuggle them in shipping containers across our porous borders. Over time, they could store one in every major city in the US. (Imagine the “Storage Wars” episode where they cut the lock and find a nuke).

When the balloon goes up, we won’t even know who to blame. Every one of our enemies will claim credit and demand concessions under threat of lighting another one. There’s real nightmare to consider.

Feb 12, 2013 9:05am EST  --  Report as abuse
cebva wrote:

Tinpot dictators in the third world with nuclear weapons? Very dangerous. Don’t fall for the idiot Biden’s assertion they need a sophisticated missile system to deliver the goods. They can smuggle them in shipping containers across our porous borders. Over time, they could store one in every major city in the US. (Imagine the “Storage Wars” episode where they cut the lock and find a nuke).

When the balloon goes up, we won’t even know who to blame. Every one of our enemies will claim credit and demand concessions under threat of lighting another one. There’s real nightmare to consider.

Feb 12, 2013 9:05am EST  --  Report as abuse
crittertron wrote:

All you folks that think this is a problem watch entirely too much TV. This is not Red Dawn. Grow up and read a book. North Korea has just 24 million people. If they wanted to destroy the south all they would have to do is fire the 10,000 or so artillery pieces currently pointed in that direction. They are not capable of launching an offensive against the US & the ONLY reason they are building these nukes is to keep us from carpet bombing their cities.

How are you all so daft? The only nation on Earth that has routinely used military force against other nations in the last 12 years is AMERICA. If you were North Korea you’d want a nuke too!

Cold War dinosaurs you are, all you that think North Korea has no right to exist. Ask yourselves why you think they are your enemy? What did THEY ever do to America? I can tell you that America bombed and killed hundreds of thousands of Koreans after those same Koreans helped America defeat Japan. How terrible that the US would bomb Korea in the 50′s from the same air bases the Japanese used to bomb Korea in the 30′s & 40′s.

Feb 12, 2013 9:05am EST  --  Report as abuse

@Redeye29464:
I’m divided on your statement. On the one hand, having another muscular ally in the region might strengthen our hand in dealing with China and North Korea in the years to come. On the other hand, you only have to look at the world wars to see that with military buildups come escalating tensions. More aggression in Asia is not in our best interests right now.

Feb 12, 2013 9:21am EST  --  Report as abuse

To all of those decrying the reduction of our nuclear armaments:

Relax. We still have enough warheads to irradiate the entire surface of the planet many times over, and the firm guarantee to do just that if anyone nukes us. Iran and North Korea know that if they launched a nuke at us, their entire country would be glassed. The world knows this too. It’s not going to happen.

Feb 12, 2013 9:24am EST  --  Report as abuse
Abulafiah wrote:

Why didn’t Republicans stop this in 2006 when the first test was conducted? Did they have no foreign policy at all?

If only Republicans had been firm and showed some resolve, they could have stopped NKs nuclear program in its tracks, but instead all they did was a issue a pointless condemnation. They were so toothless that NK just laughed at Bush and his Republicans and kept on developing nukes right under their noses while Republicans did nothing.

Let me guess… none of these posters blaming Obama knew there was a test in 2006?

Feb 12, 2013 9:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
TipiRick wrote:

Pretty soon South Korea and Japan are going to have to do something about N. Korea’s capabilities/insanities, as Israel is going to have to about Iran’s capabilities/insanities. I do not think China or Russia want to counter or assist these weird little guys Kim and Ahmed anymore, they’d rather pursue progress. And I think Obama would just stand by also, only because he is clueless, which is fine in this case because the result is to allow the people of the regions sort it out. Don’t we now know that’s probably best, having pretty miserable results at in at intervention?

Feb 12, 2013 9:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
CleanFun wrote:

Heaviest sanctioned country on earth develops nuclear capabilities and tests them 3 times.

Guess what, sanctions aren’t working on Iran either.

Feb 12, 2013 9:47am EST  --  Report as abuse
kestrel27 wrote:

Looks like Dear Leader needs to go on weight watchers. No wonder he is so angry at the rest of the world. All that food he is eating is making a mess of his moods.

Feb 12, 2013 9:54am EST  --  Report as abuse
4ever49 wrote:

Sonorama, JH818, Tmrw2044, & crittertron – I assume you all have donned the cloak of superior knowledge as you have all attended university and read the approved history books. That is why you feel obliged to denigrate everyone with whom you disagree – right?
I detect amongst you the opinion that the US is responsible for all sorts of bad acts and that foreign governments are not; that they are the victim of circumstance so how they now act needs to be understood by us, not condemned.
Well I too attended university and read the same history. I also have been out in the world for a number of decades and can tell you that the writers of many histories are lacking in real world perspective when drawing their conclusions.
We can ill afford only a scholarly approach to dealing with North Korean & Iranian leadership.

Feb 12, 2013 9:54am EST  --  Report as abuse
blacknblue2 wrote:

Somebody needs to take that fat squinting little creep out! I’ve always wondered why we give so much page space to worrying about Iran when in reality NK is the big problem. NK has nuke capability and Iran is far from having nukes.

I say it is time to stop listening to Israel’s 30 year banter that Iran is a month from attacking them. Iran’s centrifuge capabilities just aren’t there to create a bomb of any magnitude and maybe not any bombs. Ahmadinejad is a crazy clown without much to back him but Kim Jong-un is a crazy clown with the real weapon.

It is time to start worrying about the real threat, North Korea.

Feb 12, 2013 10:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
rocosh wrote:

The key is still China. China still supplies most of the electricty, fuel and food to the North. China’s worry is that a collapsed North would bring 24 million refuges over its border. So they tolerate the actions of the North. This also creates chaos for Korea , Japan, and The USA. As they look to China for help. China plays the game well. waiting for the three countreis to beg China for help, thus making China the power broker that does nothing.
North Korea knows that if it makes noise and does something to get attention it will get food and $$ to help and try to make the problems go away. It doesn’t work, and each time their actions get bolder. Desperation will drive the North to market its products, nuclear or whatever to the highest bidder, this is the danger to the west We talked before about stoppinng NK ships and inspecting cargo, but we never did it. Their Airline flys to Hong Kong and Bangkok a few times a week, we should force countries to stop allowing their flights. This would leave onl flights to Beijing open. If Japan made noise that they would work on nuclear weapons this would scare the Chinese to do something. Japan is the only real concern of China in the region form an historic standpoint.

Feb 12, 2013 10:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
WheelsTurn wrote:

Obama came to power with only the experience of a Junior Senator. With the Liberal Media protecting his every move he now commands more power than he knows how to deal with. Korean leaders know this and will use it to their advantage. We have a week leadership that will only use WORDS and sanctions that never worked. Of course the week leadership of our country will now turn to more failed policy of “acting tough” but offering no more than the usual “oh, time for more sanctions”. This is how Korea wound up with nukes to begin with. People in America better wake up!

Feb 12, 2013 10:22am EST  --  Report as abuse
crittertron wrote:

@4ever49, you don’t need to read a history book to understand a photograph of dead Korean children killed by Japanese taken in 1942 and a photograph of dead Korean children killed by Americans in 1952. Or to talk to a Korean and ask them how they feel about America’s role in their country’s history.

Being scared of North Korea and Iran is like fearing the Soviets in the 1980′s. Irrational.

You still didn’t answer my question … what on Earth has North Korea ever done to America?

What has Iran ever done to America? And don’t say something stupid like the hostage “crisis” as if we don’t all know that Iran had the legitimate fear of America using force to reinstall the government that the Iranian revolution overthrew.

Tell me why these people are supposed to be my enemy & I *might* take you seriously … my hunch is that you can’t tell me why, so I won’t take you seriously … and never will.

Simply being a communist is not a reason, I would call myself a communist, am I your enemy?

Being a theocratic non-christian nation is not a reason to be an enemy, didn’t you read that 3 American women were just arrested in Israel for violations of Jewish law? Somehow I think if that had happened in a Muslim nation the US would be up in arms.

Do you even know why you fear North Korea and Iran?

Feb 12, 2013 10:26am EST  --  Report as abuse
Yirmin wrote:

Sadly we are stuck with the apologist Obama. Right now we need someone with some balls. When you see a crazy bastard waving a gun around threaten to shoot someone you don’t wait til he points the gun at someone before you do something you shoot him dead. That is what we need to do with the whole damn country over their, raze it to the ground and let the South Koreans or Chinese have what’s left. And who cares about the women and children living there now, considering they are to the point of eating their own babies to survive I would call it a mercy kill.

Feb 12, 2013 10:26am EST  --  Report as abuse
MikeyLikesIt wrote:

@americanguy

But but but BUSH!!!

Sorry to break it to you, but Bush hasn’t been president for a while now. Obama is in charge and these failures are HIS.

I realize that it’s a favorite (read ONLY) tactic of the liberals to point fingers and blame blame blame others, but the failure of leadership in 2006 doesn’t negate the utter failure of leadership today…

Feb 12, 2013 10:27am EST  --  Report as abuse
americanguy wrote:

News flash from the Obama haters.
North Korea DID NOT develop their nuclear weapon while GW Bush was President, North Korea DID NOT do the first test in 2006 while Bush was President, and Bush DID stop North Korea’s nuclear program.
Ok.
Do I need to say it?
You know what I mean.

Feb 12, 2013 11:13am EST  --  Report as abuse
radiomankc wrote:

The MOUSSE that ROARED. (google the movie)

North Korea is such a pathetic little bump on the butt of the planet! Could be taken out by just one US submarine using few of their missiles. And no one would even know if they were MISSING because they have no friends!

Feb 12, 2013 11:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

@crittertron, best comment. This issue needs historical perspective to fully understand it.

If a nuclear test is bad why some countries still conduct it? If having a nuclear bomb is bad why some countries still have them?

Why the double standard? In a sane world no country needs a nuclear bomb but…

Which is more true? The US being a threat to NK/Iran(and many more countries), or Iran/NK(and many more countries)being a threat to the US. I personally tend to believe the former. The US has been prooving its aggressive nature year after year after year including being the only country to use a nuclear weapon on another country. If the past is a indication of the future it will use nuclear weapons again.

NK is doing the best it can to defend itself against a country which has attacked it and which technically is at war against it.

Feb 12, 2013 11:26am EST  --  Report as abuse
Trailfan1 wrote:

If you stop paying so much attention to these guys they will settle down. And don’t give them stuff or money, it only makes them want more. Just leave them alone and stop talking to them. The Chinese have always viewed the Korean Peninsula (particularly the North) as a ‘buffer’ area against the outside world. So there is little you can do without upsetting the Chinese. The Chinese will handle Mr Jong-un in their own good time…

Feb 12, 2013 11:33am EST  --  Report as abuse

No more carrot and stick diplomacy with this regime. A serious show of unified international force and resolve in now needed. Just like Iran, North Korea plays the world like fiddle. As long as the North consistantly gets the desired results when they act out, how can the nations of the world community ever expect to effect positve change? To ceaselessly follow the same diplomatic tacts over and over again and expect different results hardly seems rational nor strategically advantageous. It is truly time to show North Korea and Iran, that there are serious consequences for their hostile actions. One thing the North Korean regime understand is unbridled overwhelming force. Like Iran, North Korea has no intentions of relenting in their persuit of weapons of mass destruction and both countries often seem to be working in concert to reach those ends by sharing the same playbook.

Feb 12, 2013 11:34am EST  --  Report as abuse

No more carrot and stick diplomacy with this regime. A serious show of unified international force and resolve in now needed. Just like Iran, North Korea plays the world like fiddle. As long as the North consistantly gets the desired results when they act out, how can the nations of the world community ever expect to effect positve change? To ceaselessly follow the same diplomatic tacts over and over again and expect different results hardly seems rational nor strategically advantageous. It is truly time to show North Korea and Iran, that there are serious consequences for their hostile actions. One thing the North Korean regime understand is unbridled overwhelming force. Like Iran, North Korea has no intentions of relenting in their persuit of weapons of mass destruction and both countries often seem to be working in concert to reach those ends by sharing the same playbook.

Feb 12, 2013 11:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
gurgle wrote:

The Nork’s wouldn’t need a missile. They could more easily launch a fake satellite as an orbiting nuclear platform, these were “outlawed” by the same impotent United Nations. BTW I read in a JPost article they are looking into fusion bombs as well. Maybe when the Japanese hear the roar of a ten megaton test blast they’ll cut the apron strings and nuke up themselves.

Feb 12, 2013 11:40am EST  --  Report as abuse
gurgle wrote:

The Nork’s wouldn’t need a missile. They could more easily launch a fake satellite as an orbiting nuclear platform, these were “outlawed” by the same impotent United Nations. BTW I read in a JPost article they are looking into fusion bombs as well. Maybe when the Japanese hear the roar of a ten megaton test blast they’ll cut the apron strings and nuke up themselves.

Feb 12, 2013 11:40am EST  --  Report as abuse
gurgle wrote:

The Nork’s wouldn’t need a missile. They could more easily launch a fake satellite as an orbiting nuclear platform, these were “outlawed” by the same impotent United Nations. BTW I read in a JPost article they are looking into fusion bombs as well. Maybe when the Japanese hear the roar of a ten megaton test blast they’ll cut the apron strings and nuke up themselves.

Feb 12, 2013 11:40am EST  --  Report as abuse
gurgle wrote:

The Nork’s wouldn’t need a missile. They could more easily launch a fake satellite as an orbiting nuclear platform, these were “outlawed” by the same impotent United Nations. BTW I read in a JPost article they are looking into fusion bombs as well. Maybe when the Japanese hear the roar of a ten megaton test blast they’ll cut the apron strings and nuke up themselves.

Feb 12, 2013 11:40am EST  --  Report as abuse
Tonylord wrote:

It’s way pass time we start a new war. Its been over 10 years since we started a new war. We are just about finished with Iraq and Afghanistan. We need another war for our defense industry to keep going on spending trillions on the new weapons system, half of which do not work. But we are the big dog with 17 trillion in debt but still want to run the world or act like we own the world. Wars cost thousands maybe hundreds of thousands lives and trillions of dollars which we do not have to financed the weapons for preemptive strikes. We are living in the dream world still thinking we are a super power. Super powers do not owe 17 trillion to the rest of the world.

Feb 12, 2013 11:44am EST  --  Report as abuse
SanPa wrote:

Well, name calling by a bully will provoke a defensive response. When the President of the United States called out 3 nations as part of an “Axis of Evil”, and then proceeded to bomb the hell out of one of them, was the response somehow surprising ???

Feb 12, 2013 11:45am EST  --  Report as abuse
Secondchance wrote:

barry has some real tests coming. Me thinks his voice is about to rise a few octaves.

Feb 12, 2013 11:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
4ever49 wrote:

Crittertron said “Being scared of North Korea and Iran is like fearing the Soviets in the 1980′s. Irrational.”
Really – so a loopy governed country in possession of nuclear weapons is not a concern to you?
I think the lesson of WWII and since is that it is much more preferable to respond to legitimate threats before they have a chance to mature. The devil is of course in the details but the alternative has the potential to be globally devastating.
Wise up.

Feb 12, 2013 12:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Globalman wrote:

Obama and Nevile Chamberlan have a great deal in common. Both stuck their heads in the sand and declared peace in our time. It may be a bit late to take action againist North Korea, Iran, Syria etc. Dangerous world with vestiges of the last two pre-world wars, but it seems to be ignored by our leader.

Feb 12, 2013 1:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Globalman wrote:

Obama and Nevile Chamberlan have a great deal in common. Both stuck their heads in the sand and declared peace in our time. It may be a bit late to take action againist North Korea, Iran, Syria etc. Dangerous world with vestiges of the last two pre-world wars, but it seems to be ignored by our leader.

Feb 12, 2013 1:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
at7000 wrote:

“The reclusive North said the test was an act of self-defense
against “U.S. hostility” and threatened further, stronger steps
if necessary.”

This sounds fairly logical to me, they don’t want to
become another Iraq, Vietnam, or Afghanistan. I don’t
blame them for wanting to defend themselves. Israel has
thousands of undeclared nukes as well.

Feb 12, 2013 1:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
kehenalife wrote:

SHOW THEM WHAT A NUC WILL DO; DROP ONE ON KIM’S OUTHOUSE

Feb 12, 2013 1:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
kehenalife wrote:

CHINA NEEDS TO SLAP THEIR LITTLE BRAT DOWN.

Feb 12, 2013 1:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
taxcorps2 wrote:

@JH818′s comment, “Everyone here: Turn off your computer and TV, go to your nearest university and purchase as many world history books as you can find. You can try to make a relevant comment about US foreign and domestic policy AFTER you finish reading them.”

You are largely correct, particularly in reference to the weak spins on our POTUS and the health insurance law, but can we just check the books from the public library? It would be much more economical.

Feb 12, 2013 1:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ibsteve2u wrote:

Didya ever wonder about the PRC’s sincerity re its “protests” against NK’s nuclear weaponry R&D program? In fact, ever wonder if they’ve considered NK – due to both the global political environment and its geographical location and terrain – as a PRC proxy for the eventual siting of PRC-controlled offensive nuclear weaponry?

All of the prerequisites that it would take are in place…NK has a leadership that is the epitome of and natural evolutionary product of adherence to Ayn Rand’s “Me first!” philosophy – so much so that they seem to take pride in displaying utter contempt for the needs or survival of their people. Further, they have terrain (i.e., rocky hills-to-near-mountains) that provides natural shielding against anything other than direct hits even at the nuclear scale. Last but not least, NK has a desperate need for income/energy/food/modern manufactured goods to include technology and weaponry. (And, of course, the luxuries that are reserved for NK’s leadership.)

That might tempt me were I a so-called “conservative” of the PRC…I’d know that if I ever pulled NK’s trigger, NK would – in the posited scenario wherein they are an offensive launchpad – necessarily have to absorb the brunt of second- and third-wave launches in order to ensure that they could not launch again, thus sparing the PRC’s landmass, population, leadership…and military and conventional weaponry. (And, coincidentally, me…a consideration that is always important – if not central to – “conservative” thinking and planning.)

Of course, I might be getting ahead of the game…the drivers of my wild conjecture apply to just using NK as a proxy for nuclear testing, too. I started thinking about potential cooperation/coordination when NK had a seismic event similar to one that had occurred in Dartang, China 154 seconds earlier – albeit that region of China has a seismic history sufficient to provide impetus for concluding that their event was indeed natural…geological.

lolll…but I’m not one to conclude that the PRC is on the “up-and-up”…that what I see from outside is what is. I don’t have the economic incentive to; I’m not benefiting financially from selling America out to them.

Feb 12, 2013 1:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
taxcorps2 wrote:

@ Globalman’s comment: “Obama and Nevile Chamberlan have a great deal in common. Both stuck their heads in the sand and declared peace in our time. It may be a bit late to take action againist North Korea, Iran, Syria etc. Dangerous world with vestiges of the last two pre-world wars, but it seems to be ignored by our leader.”

Really? Tell us when and where Pres. Obama “declared peace in our time”, whatever that is supposed to mean.

Feb 12, 2013 1:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
taxcorps2 wrote:

@ Globalman’s comment: “Obama and Nevile Chamberlan have a great deal in common. Both stuck their heads in the sand and declared peace in our time. It may be a bit late to take action againist North Korea, Iran, Syria etc. Dangerous world with vestiges of the last two pre-world wars, but it seems to be ignored by our leader.”

Really? Tell us when and where Pres. Obama “declared peace in our time”, whatever that is supposed to mean.

Feb 12, 2013 1:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

This kid in North Korea best prey to god that the Republicans don’t take control (think 2000 to 2006). He’ll be the proverbial bug hitting a windshield. The last thing he’ll see is his a-hole passing through his brains.

Feb 12, 2013 1:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
crittertron wrote:

@americanguy … erm, the official position of the United States government is that North Korea did successfully test a nuclear device on November 9th 2006 … you can look it up at loc.gov or on the state department’s web site.

Feb 12, 2013 2:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse

North Korea can end US.
North Korea is the only nation in the world who is fully ready for full scale nuclear war.

US media and government is hiding this fact from its people, so only very few pepole in US know whats really going on few people in US knows whats really going on.

Another fact is that North Korea wants an non-aggression pact with US that both parties will never attack each other.
This will officially end Korean war and leads Koreans into unifications that most Koreans want.

US,however, is refusing to sign non-aggression pact.
Instead, US is continously trying to provoke North Korea by isolating the country economically and politically.

American public is not anything near ready for nuclear war.
The only people in US who is going to survive by nuclear war are just few people in missile defences
and millitary heads who will hide in deep ground protective facility like NORAD.

Any person with right mind should put a stop US government and the media driving us into nuclear ashes.

Feb 12, 2013 2:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SandyC69 wrote:

Sadly, I don’t think that even China will be able to reign in or control North Korea pursuing HE** bent for leather, nuclear weapons. NK has very clearly said that they want to develop rockets capable of hitting, not just SK, Japan, but the US. They claim that they must do do this in “self defense against US hostility”. Our hostility, so far, has consisted of sanctions also applied by the UN countries, including most recently even NK’s best friend, China.

North Korea has one, and only one objective by achieving nuclear arms. To hit the US and it’s allies. Obviously, should they succeed hitting us, or SK, or Japan, or any other of our allies, they could also include China, the US will be responding in kind.

It’s quite obvious that NK cares nothing about their own people, they are starving, so in their minds, more sanctions which could kill more of their citizens, means nothing. Even if China cut them off completely from support of any kind, they will still let their people die of starvation.

As said, even China cannot control NK. I suggest that every country, within missile range of NK, be prepared for a first strike – and that includes the US.

Feb 12, 2013 2:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Eugene31 wrote:

Re Chinese reaction: Imagine if Canada started nuclear tests and sent China a video of Beijing bursting into flames. I think the US would be more than a little provoked.

Feb 12, 2013 2:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mils54 wrote:

I have two views,First i believe North Korea is just the puppet of China and is used as a buffer to keep the Americans away from it’s border. The second is that NC is just out of control and at some point the U.S is going to be backed into a corner by the threat of attack and will respond in kind. China would not stand by and allow the NC to be overtaken IMO, So to avoid that senairo the Chinese them selves need to invade and install a more responsive regime.

Feb 12, 2013 2:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MikeBarnett wrote:

In late 2001, the US overthrew the Taliban after 9-11, but that was expected. In 2002, Bush said that Iraq, Iran, and North Korea formed an “Axis of Evil.” In 2003, the US illegally invaded Iraq. In 2006, North Korea set off its first nuclear explosion, and that was a sound precaution given US statements and actions.

The US makes endless threats against Iran and sells arms to countries that can attack Iran. It makes sense for North Korea to make nuclear weapons and missiles that can hit the US, because the US appears to be carrying out Bush’s Axis of Evil strategy. Obama may not invade as directly as Bush, but he seems to gather allies for wars that the US has said it wants. The US has approached Japan and staged maneuvers with South Korea. The North remains in a civil war with the South, and both Koreas remember Japan’s occupation from 1895 to 1945.

The US and South Korea remain in a legal state of war with North Korea because the war temporarily halted with a truce in 1953. Russia and China allowed “volunteers” to aid North Korea, so they are not at war with the US. The US and South Korea may want to negotiate and sign peace treaties with North Korea. Each treaty should be negotiated secretly and separately because bombastic rhetoric is not diplomacy and because the US and South Korea are separate countries with their own goals. The time for open discussion is when the treaty is before the US Senate for ratification. After 60 years of a truce that has not worked, the US may want to try another plan.

Feb 12, 2013 2:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bekahj wrote:

Let me start by stating that I am of Korean descent and a naturalized citizen of the United States of America. After reading these comments, today’s incident doesn’t have anything to do with Obamacare, the housing market or Bush; what it does have to do with is our foreign policy. Just a reminder that the Koreas are still, technically, at war; sometimes I think the world overlooks that minor, yet important detail, what we also forget that there are 20,000+ AMERICAN troops stationed over in South Korea not to mention those still in Japan. If North Korea were to attack South Korea or Japan, do you think that the military units of those countries would sit idly by while the area is set back 100 years? Do you think that the American people would accept the killing of our troops? Let’s think about this. North Korea needs to be dealt with and soon before their 20 something year old ruler decides to press a button that may or may not change the state of the world.

Feb 12, 2013 2:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Chronicle236 wrote:

China needs to do a lot more than “protest.” They’ve got a nuclear playboy on their border. And all it would take is one unfortunate accident to devastate their wheat crop on their side of the border – tanking their economy.

Frankly, I think China’s army should march into the country and neutralize it.

Feb 12, 2013 2:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ibsteve2u wrote:

if you go to maps.google.com and paste

41°18’0.34″N, 129° 4’13.18″E

into the “search” box, click the magnifying glass/”search button, and then click the “+”/zoom in button on the left three or four times, you’ll see something interesting.

‘Course it isn’t “current” in terms of inclusive of yesterday’s test…

Feb 12, 2013 2:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mils54 wrote:

Did you read some of the responces from the moron sheep in this country!, Blaming the President for the actions of another country!, Some morons using abortion clinics in their spew, Religious zealots!!!. Your even more scary than our enemies!!!, because IMHO your dangerously ignorant!!!. You must be REPUBES!.

Feb 12, 2013 2:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
4ever49 wrote:

nkthebestkorea – are you an idiot or a North Korean stooge – or both??
Reading your post reminds me of the Cold War crap we used to see from the Soviets – all puff and bluff but no substance.
You are just another cesspool of crushing control driven by political myopia fueled by a personality cult from which your citizens risk death just to leave.
By the way, if North Korea is the best why not open your borders and see which way your people run. Any country that has to fence in its populous has to be crap.

Feb 12, 2013 2:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Globalman wrote:

Unfortunately or fortunately, depending upon your perspective, the strength of the US President’s strength or weakness of global leadership has a bearing on actions of such countries. Obama has been a weak leader and NK knows it.

Feb 12, 2013 3:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
KyleDexter wrote:

Good for you North Korea! Congratulations!

Feb 12, 2013 3:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
crittertron wrote:

@4ever49: what makes you think they are “loopy”? Have you ever been to North Korea? Do you know any North Koreans? Likely not. In all likelihood all you know is what you are told by the news and the government.

I love when people reach to the WW2 argument for stopping aggression. It is an overused argument that is taken out of context to justify pre-emptive war … if you want to use WW2 as an example, lets not forget that pre-emptive war was Germany’s justification for invading the Soviet Union. So who does that make us in this scenario?

You still haven’t told me why North Korea should be my enemy … struggling to find a viable explanation beyond “because”? The only thing I’ve seen that is “globally devastating” is America’s ability to use excessive violence with impunity under the guise of liberty.

so, 4ever49 … why should North Korea be my enemy?

Feb 12, 2013 3:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
KDK1 wrote:

It’s impossible that US and Israeli leadership can look any more stupid than they do now blabbering on about their surety that Iran is the next nuclear threat.

Hey bozos? THIS is what attempting to develop a nuclear weapon looks like. Take notes. And by the way? When can we expect your big mouths and chest thumping directed towards North Korea to hit the news channels? Should I bother holding my breath?

Feb 12, 2013 3:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bates148 wrote:

@Fromkin To fully understand the issue, one not only has to go to history, but also to basic international relations theories. North Korea is actually quite rational for trying to acquire nuclear capabilities. From a historical standpoint, one can argue the Cold war did not turn hot because each nation was fearful of the others nuclear capabilities (or second-strike capabilities according to several scholars). The US and the South Koreans have a far superior technological army, fully capable of destroying the North Korean army in battle, but one nuclear weapon depletes this advantage. On a bargaining framework, the North Koreans are at a much better position with a nuclear weapon because war is no longer a viable option to the US and South Koreans. Are they willing to risk Seoul from getting annihilated if war commences? These same principles go hand-in-hand with Iran’s desires to have nuclear capabilities. Many here believe the North Koreans and Iranians are irrational for not giving up their nuclear desires, but the opposite is true. Sanctions do little when the big picture is considered by these nations.

Feb 12, 2013 3:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
blah77 wrote:

Ah yes, an irrational act by NK naturally brings out the equally irrational responses. A pre-emptive nuclear first strike against NK? Seriously? Uh, I do not like the idea of radioactive fallout raining down on the west coast of U.S. and Canada. If we were scared of the radiactive consequences brought about by the Fukushima disaster, just wait until we detonate half a dozen above ground nuclear devices in NK. A nuclear strike is just not a localized event because the aftermath has global consequences, environmentally and otherwise. Shall we also discuss the insanity behind incinerating millions of everyday NK citizens who has zero control over the reckless actions of their secretive and totalitarian government?

As for China’s reaction to this event and its stance on NK’s sovereignty, drop the cold war mentality and use logic for a moment. Publically China has indicated interest in maintaining the status quo but that is just a show for the NK leadership. They don’t want to back a well armed NK into a corner thus giving their volatile leadership a reason to go out in a blaze of glory. Behind the scenes, top officials from China and SK have already discussed the possibility of a unified Korea. If those leaked, previously secret diplomatic cables are indeed accurate, they have even warmed significantly to the idea during the past few years. The two nations has even went as far as discussing the economic aftermath and trade/resource development rights. This would indicate anything but a preliminary base-touching. The biggest obstacle remaining is to accomplish such a unification scenario without causing a total collapse and flood of refugees crossing into northeastern China. Closing the border would be one possibility but that does not resolve the issue of a humanitarian nightmare. A tricky problem to be sure.

Now why would China want a unified Korea? Well, from China’s view point, the ‘buffer zone’ idea is becoming less relevant (or palatable) with each passing year because SK has no desire to antagonize China. They may not even wish to remain a U.S. proxy in the event of a unified Korea. SK is far too busy with developing its economic interest in China in order to supplant the Japanese who is quickly losing their market share. While Korean conglomerates such as Hyundai and Samsung have aimed squarely at their Japanese automaker and electronic rivals. These are all rather obvious developments during the past few years.

In any case, these are the real questions that should be addressed right now, not a bunch of fantasical ‘nuke them back to the stone age’ tough-guy rhetoric.

Feb 12, 2013 4:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Alpha_Blogger wrote:

I see Reuters is covering for Obama and not quoting Rice’s comment of “the ususal drill” meaning Obama has no plan, strategy nor does he plan to do anything about this issue other than to keep ignoring the North Korean’s have launched a satellite, they have missiles which can reach targets inside the US and now nuclear bombs that could be delivered by the missiles.

Feb 12, 2013 4:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Rich_F wrote:

thankfully the Lord Almighty is in control of all things. if you don’t have trust in him, there isn’t much hope for you as the times we live in will continue to get worse where even the hearts of the bold will melt away. such are things when you leave man to run the show.

Feb 12, 2013 4:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
blah77 wrote:

One more thought.

For those whining about Obama’s supposed ‘foreign policy failures’, war after war and invasion after invasion is not an actual foreign policy. That is borderline imperailism. That is also a defense contractors wet dream and sure fire way to get the draft reinstituted. Have your offspring (or youself) enlist in the armed forces and feel at peace with the idea of KIA before becoming so stupidly gung-ho. Don’t expect others to fight your wars.

Feb 12, 2013 4:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
crittertron wrote:

>>@blah77, “I do not like the idea of radioactive fallout raining down on the west coast of U.S. and Canada.”

Oh come on, its not that bad, remember all that radiation from Fukushima that just turned into soap bubbles & rubber duckies 2 years ago?

Feb 12, 2013 5:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
HSkipRob wrote:

This is hard to beleive as true. It just appears to be another false flag operation. N. Korea however does have a lot of natural resouces that can be exploited by the various super powers. Good reason to invade.

Feb 12, 2013 5:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Lisa2010 wrote:

North Korea may be pulling the plug on its own power by defying China. Fallout always blows somewhere..

Feb 12, 2013 6:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Grant_X wrote:

As usual, any and every piece of news having to do with politics brings the reaction-minded tea party out of the woodwork.

The love commenting because they can rant and rave like the lunatic on the street corner from the safety and anonymity of their computer.

I liked them better when they had to use the street corner. That way, I could just avoid them.

Feb 12, 2013 7:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
breezinthru wrote:

President Obama is interested in regional stability but China is not. China is interested in reducing America’s influence on China’s side of the Pacific Rim.

China is only pretending to be upset by this.

Feb 13, 2013 1:47am EST  --  Report as abuse
mgunn wrote:

Sadly their act is logical. Listen to the west and get invaded or killed by proxies (Iraq, Libya). Give us the finger and complete the nuke and all we do is bluster. While most Americans don’t care about Seoul, it will be destroyed if we attack. I’m pretty sure china detests NK because acts like this cause unity among countries that encircle them where otherwise our hope for containing them is not so easy.

Feb 13, 2013 10:32am EST  --  Report as abuse
4ever49 wrote:

Crittertron – so if North Korea is not an enemy, with whom do they have congenial relations? Do you have some special source of knowledge that the rest of the world does not?
I would like it if they were not an enemy – why don’t you illuminate us as to how this might come about.

Feb 13, 2013 11:55am EST  --  Report as abuse
4ever49 wrote:

Crittertron – so if North Korea is not an enemy, with whom do they have congenial relations? Do you have some special source of knowledge that the rest of the world does not?
I would like it if they were not an enemy – why don’t you illuminate us as to how this might come about.

Feb 13, 2013 11:56am EST  --  Report as abuse
4ever49 wrote:

Crittertron – so if North Korea is not an enemy, with whom do they have congenial relations? Do you have some special source of knowledge that the rest of the world does not?
I would like it if they were not an enemy – why don’t you illuminate us as to how this might come about.

Feb 13, 2013 11:57am EST  --  Report as abuse
Pterosaur wrote:

Bravo, Pivot Asia. This is the first meaningful outcome.

If the US conducted less military drills with SK, this 3rd nuclear test by NK would have not happened today.

Even a big country, like China, feels the threat of imminent war against it when the US conducted drills one-after-another during the whole year last year with SK and Japan off the coast of China and NK.

Feb 13, 2013 11:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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