Senate Democrats offer plan replacing automatic budget cuts

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xyz2055 wrote:

The Republicans have absolutely no standing here. In 2000 when they took control of our government, we has an $18B budget deficit and $5T in debt. When Obama took office in 2009 we had an $1T annual deficit and were $11T in debt. Listening to McConnell is a waste of time.

Feb 14, 2013 9:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
wildbiker wrote:

Let’s be clear. The Senate was to pass a budget to re-engage the House Republicans. This is bait and switch. I pray the Republicans do the same thing to this bill that Senate Democrats did to the jobs bills and budgets sent over from the House, table the bill and kill it. Democrats, do what you agreed to in the fiscal cliff deal. Put up real spending cuts without any new taxes.

Feb 14, 2013 9:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
CountryPride wrote:

The liar OWEbama in 2011

Threatening a veto, Obama asked Congress to reach a bi-partisan solution that would put the country’s debt situation on a sustainable path to recovery. “I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts,” said Obama from the White House’s briefing room, adding “the only way to get rid of those cuts is to get Congress to come together and work on a deal.”

Another in the long train of hypocrisy from this office.

Feb 14, 2013 9:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bates148 wrote:

@xyz2055 And the new numbers? Deficit on Obama’s first day: $10.626 trillion. Current deficit: $16.529 trillion. So in four years, Mr Obama contributed to growing to the deficit more than those evil Republicans did in eight. You know what the deficit is estimated to be when Obama leaves? $22 trillion. No standing here? That’s funny, thanks for the laugh.

Feb 15, 2013 1:19am EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

bates148…name the “New” spending bills signed into law by Obama and how much total they have added to the debt. The debt and deficits continue to be over $1T dollars a year because of the financial disaster that happened in 2007 and a gridlock in Congress. Presidents can’t spend 1 dime of tax payer money without Congressional approval. Only a moron who is totally ignorant of how our Constitution/Government works makes a comment like yours. Like wise Presidents don’t have the power to cut spending on their own. Get educated.

Feb 15, 2013 1:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
bates148 wrote:

@xyz2055 The truth hurts, doesn’t it?

Feb 15, 2013 9:09am EST  --  Report as abuse
fedupaj wrote:

The democrat way–kick the can down the road on spending cuts and raise taxes now. The same policy that brought us almost 17 trillion in debt. Cut spending and revise entitlements you gutless idiots and stop using my money to buy votes.

Feb 15, 2013 12:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

bates148…how old are you? Are you still in 3rd grade? You post like you are.

Feb 15, 2013 2:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bates148 wrote:

@xyz2055 I’m loving the personal attacks. When you can’t defeat the message, attack the messenger. By the way, your second post is completely ignorant of the last four years and how our government works (ironically, you tell me I don’t know how the government works). I’m not going to waste my time trying to educate someone who calls me a moron/3rd grader. I recommend you google “federal budget 101″ and read what the role of the president is in forming the federal budget.

Feb 15, 2013 7:05pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

bates148..I made a generic are the one that started the personal attacks. But you are a moron…the President has almost zero to do with the federal budget. The budget is between the House and the Senate. Whatever they agree to doesn’t even go to the president for approval or veto. But don’t take my word for it..below is from Paul Ryan’s “Path to Prosperity” version 3.0 2013 page 4, WHICH IS the House’s budget proposal for 2013.


Article I of the U.S. Constitution grants Congress the power to appropriate funds from the Treasury, pay the obligations of and raise revenue for the federal government, and publish statements and accounts of all financial transactions.

By law, Congress is also obligated to write a budget representing its plan to carry out these transactions in the forthcoming fiscal years.While the President is required to propose his administration’s budget requests for Congress’s consideration, Congress alone is responsible for writing the laws that raise revenues, appropriate funds, and prioritize taxpayer dollars within an overall federal budget.”

Feb 15, 2013 10:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

2000-2006 with a Republican President and a Republican dominated Congress. NEW spending bills passed into law.

1. Largest tax cut in history that disproportionately favored the richest in this country..Unfunded Sold as creating jobs. Job growth under GW (1st term) was the 2nd lowest of any president in history. There ain’t no trickle in “Trickle Down Economics”

2. Medicare Prescription Drug bill…that ended up costing billions more than it was touted..Unfunded

3. 2005 Energy Policy Act that give Big Oil (richest corporations in America) billions in tax breaks…Unfunded

4. Increased Defense spending from approximately $350B a year to more than $700B a year..Unfunded.

5. Two wars sold to American’s and the world on lies. Unfunded. Ultimate cost..more than $1T

A Vice President who famously said..”Deficits Don’t Matter”. And this is in no way a complete list of the “Drunken Sailor Spending Spree” Republican’s went on when we had a sound economy. This is just the BIG ticket items.

This is why it’s laughable to hear Republican’s and particularly McConnell talk about the debt and deficits. Like they were frugal when they had control. And did they learn anything…NO. Read “Path to Prosperity”. Essentially the platform that Romney and Ryan ran for President on..the highlights…More tax breaks that disproportionately favor the richest (more Trickle Down Economics), INCREASE Defense spending (with a $1T annual deficit we already spent 46% of what the whole world spends on Defense). Spending cuts…Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid.

There you go Bates..your turn. Name the “New” Spending bills signed into law by Obama in the past 4 years. Obama is a rank amateur when it comes to spending. He can’t hold a candle next to the Republicans.

Feb 15, 2013 11:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

wildbiker…while the “Fiscal Cliff” didn’t create “NEW” taxes (technically)…it eliminated the Republican’s 2001 tax cuts…raising billions in revenue.

Feb 15, 2013 11:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

The debt has increased under every president in history. The only exception…Bill Clinton’s last 4 years in office. We had a budget surplus for all 4 of those years.

Feb 16, 2013 12:04am EST  --  Report as abuse
bates148 wrote:

@xyz2055 You wrote: “I made a generic post.” Is your last post (calling me a 3rd grader) really a generic post?

“But you are a moron…the President has almost zero to do with the federal budget. The budget is between the House and the Senate. Whatever they agree to doesn’t even go to the president for approval or veto.” And this is where I stopped reading the rest of your post. You shouldn’t call people morons when you clearly have no clue how the budget process works. Unlike you, I won’t call you a moron. I’m above that. Instead, I recommend you read this article You will see the flaw in that statement. Also, if Obama has almost zero to do with the federal budget, then why is his voice so important in these recent budget talks with Boehner and the Republicans?

Feb 16, 2013 2:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

bates..good grief. see this:

The president signs or vetoes individual appropriation bills…not the Federal Budget itself. My 1st post is a generic’s the first comment on this article. The point of that post was the hypocrisy of the Republicans when it comes to debt and deficits. The post I made on Feb 15, 2013 @ 11:15pm EST explains WHY I made that statement. Read the Republican Budget Proposal for 2013..which IS Republican Paul Ryan’s “Path to Prosperity” version 3.0 2013. Paul Ryan makes the absolutely retarded argument that as a percent of GDP, we just aren’t spending enough on Defense. No particular plan for the additional $50B he is proposing…just sent the money to the Pentagon..even though the Pentagon isn’t asking for it. Then he proposes tax cuts that are even larger than the 2001 cuts. But wait…don’t we already have a $1T a year deficit? Ryan’s plan does nothing to trim the deficit..but he wants to pay for his tax cuts that disproportionally favor the 2% and his increased Defense spending by cutting Medicare and Social Security. You know, the two plans that you and I pay for through tax payroll deductions.
The Republicans aren’t any more serious about cutting spending than the Democrats. But they have fools like you that buy their rhetoric. Boehner is now lobbying to stop the sequestration. I’m an Independent by the way….I’m not taking sides..I’m just presenting the facts…NOW name the “New” spending (appropriation bills) that Obama has signed into law that created $6T of debt in the past 4 years. For the President..any President to spend 1 dime of tax payer money he needs Congressional approval. That is a Constitutional fact! And while Presidents can propose legislation (like Obama’s American Jobs Bill that is stalled in the House)…by law..all Appropriation Bills originate in the House of Representatives. For Obama to spend trillions of dollars, he would need Congress to write and pass those bills so he could sign them into law. That my friend is Government 101.

Feb 16, 2013 11:26am EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

The Democrats are just as flawed as the Republicans…but it’s amusing to listen to the cliches. Particularly those that come out of the mouths of the far right. For example. “It’s the Democrats that support big government”. Really? In 2002 a Republican Congress with a Republican President established the largest new department in Government in decades. The Department of Homeland Security. Today, the DHS has an annual budget of over $60B and 240,000 employees. There goes another cliche..”The Federal Government doesn’t create jobs”. All evidence to the contrary! If cutting spending were up to me…DHS would be the first one to go.

Feb 16, 2013 12:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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