Pope will have security, immunity by remaining in the Vatican

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Physician wrote:

As a Catholic physician who has met many who have been sexually abused by priests, and as one who was sexually assaulted myself by a Carmelite priest when I was a young doctor in Dublin, I have learned that clergy sexual abuse has been part of the culture of the Roman Catholic Church for many centuries.

Pope Benedict XVI has played a central role in allowing the priest sexual abuse of innocent children to flourish worldwide from the 24 years that he was the head of the office that dealt with clergy sexual abuse cases, and since 2005 as Pope. The Pope, when known as Cardinal Ratzinger, in 2001, issued a Vatican edict to hierarchy all over the world, to put the institution of the church’s interests over any other interest and to have all cases of clergy sexual abuse centralized under his authority in the Vatican under Exclusive Competence and the Pontifical Secret.

Why didn’t Ratzinger report all cases of child sexual abuse by clergy to the legal authorities for investigation? Why did Ratzinger protect the predator priests and not remove the predator priests and complicit bishops from the priesthood? Why did Ratzinger not care about the children, the innocent victims? Probably because he has had very little life experience of women and children, as a celibate male.

It offends me deeply to read that one observer in the above article called the victim/survivors ‘crazies’. From all that I have learned about this scandal and the central role that Pope Benedict XVI has played in it, it astounds me that he continues to protect himself from accountability, and that others in powerful places are allowing him to get away with all the harm that his poor decisions have caused in the lives of so many victims and their families.

Besides the betrayal of trust and soul-murder of so many, there have been many suicides around the world, by those who gave up hope that anyone would believe their story of having been sexually abused by a priest or by a member of the hierarchy.

Please read THE CASE OF THE POPE, written by Geoffrey Robertson, QC, judge at the United Nations for crimes against humanity. Mr Robertson challenges the Pope’s belief of having diplomatic immunity. He says the Vatican is not really a sovereign state.

In my view, it is time for Pope Benedict XVI to become accountable and to apologize to the world for all the harm that his policies have done to so many human lives. No more smokescreens and denials and revictimizations of the victim/survivors please!

Sincerely, Dr Rosemary Eileen McHugh, Chicago, Illinois, USA

Feb 15, 2013 11:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Mikeyh0 wrote:

The Pope is toast.

Feb 16, 2013 11:21am EST  --  Report as abuse
Harry079 wrote:

“In my view, it is time for Pope Benedict XVI to become accountable and to apologize to the world for all the harm that his policies have done to so many human lives.”

I have prayed for this for a long time. May he find it in his heart to do so after a new pope is chosen.

Feb 16, 2013 11:30am EST  --  Report as abuse
el5z wrote:

You obviously are not informed about the “Crimes Against Humanity”case being tried right now where the pope, and many in the roman catholic church are being sued for what they did to Indian children in homes run by the roman catholic church here in Canada. The website is itccs.org
Isn’t it nice that “God’s representative” can live in safety and comfort while raped and sodomized children deal with distorted or anti social behavior they live with due to the pedophile acts of satanic priests who were under the direction of cardinals and this pope and those before him back to the 1800′s. What hypocrisy to think this “church” has any place in civilized society; they need to be run out of exixstence.

Feb 16, 2013 12:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Gumgum wrote:

Why don’t they also point out that the Lateran Pacts that gave them statehood was from the Catholics good buddy Mussolini!! Everything about that place is evil!

Feb 16, 2013 6:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse

A lot of religious freaks find the lifestyle too taxing, and give it up. The pope is no better or worse than any of them.

Feb 16, 2013 9:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Fuzylogic wrote:

Wake up people. The Vatican is imprisoning him to preventhim from talking and implicating others in the hirachy.

Free the butlor! why do you think they imprisoned him.

It’s all to ptotect themselves, not the pope.

Feb 16, 2013 10:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
kplandes wrote:

The gig is up. It’s time for world leaders to stop this charade. Vatican City is not a sovereign nation. The pope is not a head of state. Nobody is born a citizen at the Vatican. Nobody at the Vatican procreates as a matter of law. It has no standing army, and it’s financial system is a money laundering apparatus.

The continued recognition of Vatican City as a nation and the pope as a head of state has allowed crimes against humanity to be committed against thousands of innocent Catholic children and teens, which Ratzinger actively covered up.

No man ought to be above the law, and Pope or not, Ratzinger should be held to account for his leading role in the grand Catholic conspiracy to conceal the fact of the matter of widespread pedophilia and protection of pedophiles in the Catholic hierarchy, particularly during the past 30 years when he was uniquely capable of doing something to stop it.

Surely Ratzinger’s place in the 9th circle of hell is secure for all time.

Feb 16, 2013 11:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jjcomet wrote:

“”(If he lived anywhere else) then we might have those crazies who are filing lawsuits”

Yep, those crazy people whose children were sodomized by priests whom Ratzinger and the organization he headed not only shielded from punishment but also enabled to continue abusing other children elsewhere. In a civilized world, that man would have been hauled up on charges long ago, his “religious authority” be damned. If there was ever an argument for ending the tax-exempt status of the Catholic Church and the privileges enjoyed by its representatives, it is now. The rotten edifice needs to be hauled down, its assets distributed to the people whose lives it destroyed, and the officials responsible thrown in jail for life. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, even “men of the cloth.”

Feb 17, 2013 9:41am EST  --  Report as abuse
amasiam wrote:

Would be there were a hell whence these vile creatures, all and everyone, reap a thousand times the misery they have, cause religious, sowed upon each woman, child and man.

Feb 17, 2013 12:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Cleveland2012 wrote:

I think the Pope showed courage in resigning. He is a very old man, and he spent his entire life trying to help people. So his decision should be respected, and from what one hears it sounds that everything he has done has been honorable. It is a difficult time for the Catholic Church because of certain criminals who used their positions of trust to abuse others. Let’s not blame the Pope or any of the other decent people in the Catholic Church who try to do something positive for the world.

Feb 17, 2013 1:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RealCatholic wrote:

Per the Catholic League:

Bill Donohue offers seven good reasons why the pope’s legacy is secure:

Religion for Pope Benedict XVI is as much a public issue as it is a private one. In 2008, he warned American bishops against “the subtle influence of secularism,” holding that “any tendency to treat religion as a private matter must be resisted.”
The pope made it clear that religious freedom was not only a God-given right, it was “the path to peace.”
He knew religion could be abused, leading even to violence. His much misunderstood 2006 Regensburg University lecture was really about the uncoupling of religion from reason (reason not united to faith also leads to violence).
The pope reached out to dissidents on the right and the left, seeking to bring them to communion. Not all his efforts succeeded, but his attempts were noble.
No one did more to successfully address the problem of priestly sexual abuse than Joseph Ratzinger. Just weeks before he was chosen to be the new pope, he spoke bluntly about this issue: “How much filth there is in the Church, and even among those who, in the priesthood, ought to belong entirely to Him!”
Addressing those who still blame Jews for the death of Christ, the pope settled the issue with authority by pointing out that no one should be blamed since, as he argued, the crucifixion was necessary for God’s plan of universal redemption.
The pope’s many references to what he called “the dictatorship of relativism” were a constant reminder that one of the greatest threats to freedom today is the abandonment of the search for truth.

Pope Benedict XVI’s willingness to step aside comes as a surprise this Monday morning. What is not surprising is his humility. Indeed, it is one of his most defining characteristics, one that separates him from today’s ego-centric public figures.

Feb 17, 2013 2:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RealCatholic wrote:

Some making posts do not understand the concept of papal infallibility. Below is information from the Catholic.com web site for most to know what this is.

“Papal infallibility was bestowed on Peter and his successors by Christ. We find evidence of this in Scripture. For example, Jesus told Peter, “Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren” (Luke 22:31-32). “And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven” (Matt. 16:18-19).

Early Christians understood Christ’s teaching on the primacy of the pope, which involved papal infallibility. But the doctrine of papal infallibility was not infallibly defined until the First Vatican Council, as it was not necessary to formally define it until it was disputed. (Infallible pronouncements are usually made only when a doctrine has been challenged.)”

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“Their is a common misunderstanding about the Church’s teaching on infallibility. Papal infallibility is not a guarantee that popes will not make mistakes or even that they will not sin. It is simply a gift of the Holy Spirit whereby popes cannot err when definitively proclaiming doctrine on matters of faith and morals.”

This was clearly understood in the Early Church:

“At the Council of Chalcedon in 451, who said “Peter has spoken through the mouth of Leo [the then-reigning Pope Leo I]. The matter is closed. Let him who will not listen to Leo be anathema.”

Feb 17, 2013 2:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
steve3333 wrote:

So this guy is supposed to have the right to live out his years in a dignified manner- tell me what about the diginity of all the children that have been abused under his watch? what about their dignity!. When is the world going to wake up to the fact that the Vatican church is a luciferian control centre for the catholic church

Feb 17, 2013 9:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TravisC wrote:

Catholics, know your incoming Chocolate Peter II is fond of playing with Boy’s Bootyholes too.

Feb 17, 2013 11:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Articles like these have never seemed more out of touch, a mere formality for relaying the message that society has changed. We know these days, when the demand for “The Church’s” presence has never been smaller. Never has the Pope just been looked at for what he is, just another man. This is the fall of the Pope.

Feb 18, 2013 3:01am EST  --  Report as abuse
Scheare wrote:

If he were really God’s representative on Earth, he would have nothing to fear.

Feb 18, 2013 3:05am EST  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

I was looking up the Concordat of Rome – two of them – one with Germany during the Hitler years and one with Napoleon. The Church had agreed with Hitler’s regime to turn over child abuse cases to the civil authorities. I didn’t read the Napoleonic agreement yet.

But the Nazi regime was a criminal regime in it’s own right.

Does Dr.McHugh agree with the statistics I have read, that about 95% of child abuse cases occur in the home or with friends and relatives?

BTW – how on earth does one “kill a soul”. There are many ways of being traumatized by life and governments can do it too. Military life can chew up souls pretty well too don’t you know? And there are a hell of lot of wrecks and walking wounded from failed marriages. Some “souls” are exceptionally sensitive and can be induced to magnify their sufferings: especially if it is fashionable to do so and especially if it pays well to get sensitive.

If any readers really feel that the Vatican is the “Palace of Satan”, look around: a whole lot of people have and do live in “palaces” of one scale or another. And they could all be accused, and have been, at one time or another, of being the “minions of Satan”. It’s a very popular charge. If they are correct, than what isn’t the domain of Satan? What, Satan doesn’t like to live in Spit-levels or ranches with two and a half baths?

I tend to think the top is always a rather close reflection of every other tier of society, anywhere in the world, at any time in history.

People tend not to do anything better than they do hypocrisy.

I wouldn’t touch modern marriage, of any kind, with a ten-foot pole. I could never afford the legal complications and most marriages (at least half) today seem to be nothing but a hyper romantic and childish convenience for many. I’d rather do casual sex (never of the under aged (I don’t live in Appalachia) if the home made, do-it-yourself approach to sexual urges isn’t enough to satisfy, it usually is, than take on the potentially very expensive, and “soul” numbing problems of a divorce.

There’s a lot of ways of being wounded by society and taking it up the bunghole isn’t one of the worst of them, by a long shot. At least the victim still has one when the event is over. I have never heard whether most of the church victims were actually anally raped? It didn’t sound like that was the case: size or organs alone being the issue. That can’t be said for every other trauma life can hand out to one.

But to be sure – I was never sexually abused as a child and wouldn’t have let anyone put a finger on me anyway. I was told as a Catholic child not to engage in sexual activity, not even masturbation. I’m older now and do what I like within the limits of good sense. But what on earth is “good sense”? Where is the palace of Good Sense? This society is “sex obsessed” so I hear, but so are so many people in the world, actually. Sex is always one of the greatest motivators to do just about anything.

Such selective moralizers some people are! And when they get “moral” they can be exceptionally irritating, domineering and down right mean.

As Mark Twain once said, ”what a hell of a heaven when all those hypocrites assemble up there”.

Feb 18, 2013 2:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TomKi wrote:

There are dozens of major organized religions in the world. All but one operates outside the sovereign powers of country. And that is the Vatican of the Roman Catholic Church. The Vatican sees itself as above mere laws of man. It sought and got the status of a sovereign state from none other than Italian fascist dictator Mussolini. In exchange for this ‘gift of God’, the Vatican kept its mouth shut on Mussolini’s unprovoked invasion of some African states in the 1930′s.

With this unique sovereign powers, the Vatican runs the RCC as it sees fit, outside of the laws and control of any state. It is immune to police powers, criminal laws, civil laws, etc. There could be a murder in the Vatican and no police can enter. No one can audit its finances as all other religions are audited for their privileges. Only one head of religion in the entire world enjoys this travesty of human rights and laws of civil society.

And that goes a long way towards explaining the utter rot of morality and behavior of the RCC.

The world must demand removal of sovereign status of the Vatican.

Feb 18, 2013 3:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
stonehillady wrote:

This Papal Rule of the western world is the most evil enitity ever to appear on this Earth.
This is who is charge of the NWO as the UN follows the “Vatican Reports” which dictates thru their Jesuits & Knights of Malta how the world will operate.
In the Popes last decree is towards reforming the International Financial & Monetary Systems in the context of a Global Puplic Authority. “To redistribute the worlds wealth.” This is where communism is & has come from…..sold to you thru Private dealings of the Jesuits…!

Feb 18, 2013 5:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

One could describe the Vatican as a kind of religious Switzerland. Europe once contained city sized states – one in Germany, the size of a town. I think it was Hamburg? This is just something I noticed on a tag in a museum.

That’s all the Vatican really is. A church, a museum, and hotel for conclaves, a convent and a seminary. And the Church of England seems to run it’s business side of things similarly to the Vatican. And states can’t just rip up old agreements like they were tissue paper or they threaten the integrity of all other old agreements. Child abuse charges can be leveled at any institution that has charge of children. It’s like the weather now. Some days are just “sex abuse in the media days”. It’s an information and legal industry and feeds many mouths.

And there’s always a strong arm ready and eager to take advantage of chaos and social disruption. It may be the only way to accomplish drastic change and many are eager for it. There’s many who would consider it a peak experience.

But I don’t think the bomb does “half ruined cities’.

If the Vatican was truly the evil, sinister, corrupt, to the bone, plot to darken and blight the lives of humanity, than did I ever hear a single word in my whole life that wasn’t just as “corrupt” or questionable?

Feb 18, 2013 5:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Although God has many problems with me, I have never had any with Him. But that is a private matter.

What I do have, on a serious level, is a problem with organized religion. All of them, across the entire world, throughout history. So much pain and sorrow has resulted over the centuries in the name of religion.

I don’t disparage those who practice their chosen religion, only the organizations that represent them.

Feb 18, 2013 8:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
lorenzolarue wrote:

The Vatican lies in the realm of ‘twisted fantasy’. Talk of love for Jesus and of the truth he spoke, then bow out when they need to take that responsibility, the one of love, and refute their self inflicted sins (as they would term their actions). The Pope is like a bank, too big to jail. Now that is a real sin. Crimes against humanity kind of sin.

Feb 18, 2013 11:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
KyuuAL wrote:

So. The real reason for resignation is coming out. All the scandals are directly connecting to him.

Feb 19, 2013 4:00am EST  --  Report as abuse
siversen wrote:

I agree that abusers of any type should be dealt with harshly. However, why don’t they go after the leaders of the Muslim faith for all the abuse of people, women in particular and all the murders committed in the name of religion?

Feb 19, 2013 7:39am EST  --  Report as abuse
siversen wrote:

Don’t get me wrong, abusers should be punished to the maximum allowed by law. However, going after the entire church for the actions of some priests for abusing altar boys would be like attacking the entire gay community because some of them became priests that abused altar boys.

Feb 19, 2013 7:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
JohnnyRacer wrote:

Too bad all criminals don’t have the ability to live somewhere “beyond the law” to protect them from their crimes. I was raised Catholic and left the church for other christian churches more than 10 years ago. Current catholics would be wise to consider a similar approach….starve the catholic beast of it’s funding sheeple !

Feb 19, 2013 8:17am EST  --  Report as abuse
Shamizar wrote:

“Pope will have security, immunity by remaining in the Vatican”

Yes, by all means, lets make certain the Catholics’ shaman is protected from being held accountable for his immoral inaction.

Feb 19, 2013 8:59am EST  --  Report as abuse
Unchained wrote:

Where would Jesus hide?

Feb 19, 2013 12:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mikemm wrote:

It seems this previous Pope had a lot to keep hidden and probably got tipped off by some high ranking officials to quickly get out of the main focus of coming investigations and to stay hidden and protected under diplomatic immunity.

Feb 19, 2013 2:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

@Shamizr – The Saudi’s gave Idi Amin lifetime refuge and he orchestrated the murder of the thousands of Ugandans.

No one has accused this Pope of murder. But I can easily think of some politicians who live and lived under a cloud. Lyndon H Johnson is one. The “public” isn’t known for its wonderful judgment, integrity or wisdom either. And some popular media doesn’t seem to know the meaning of the words. I think popular ideas of government have forgotten them too.

The Pope could be said to have abandoned the role of “Caesar”. That’s who really loved lifetime appointments with all the perks. The only way some of the old time heads of states would ever leave office is if they were deposed by violent revolution. The ancient Romans were masters of chopping and chancing it with the next one. Te Catholic hierarchy was patterned after that old model.

It might be time for a lot of Catholics and non-Catholics to grow up and smell the effects of the worldwide embrace of more democratic types of accountability government models. He might just be setting the stage for a whole lot of crowned heads to start falling.

BTW – does this mean the Pope looses his personal income and goes back to the staff level pay scale? The Pope presumably has a large income: I had heard about 1 mil per year that he could use at his discretion and most tended to give to their favorite charitable works or favorite religious orders. I don’t think they have handed out fortunes like the Renaissance popes to their relatives and friends. That’s a practice, however, that still lives in Congress and even municipal government today, though, apparently, under some dubious legal and ethical safeguards. It’s far more prevalent in the rest of the developing world with less established ethical practices.

There’s no excuse for political types to become millionaires, even billionaires on their salaries as “public servants”. If religious heads are rotten, that doesn’t argue well for the quality of the rest of the big shots that dominate world affairs.

@somewahtserious – One can get pain and suffering out of any activity one cares to choose. If organized religion is bad, politics and the affairs of states are always worse. Some of them don’t even try to tow a line except to grab and hold wealth and power till it bleeds, or everyone else dependent on it does too.

Feb 20, 2013 3:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse

As for RealCatholic and your support of Bill Donohue (?). Bill Donohue is the chief apologizer for the RCC in relation to the priest abuse. What amazes me is he can run his supposedly educated piehole, while at the same time speak nothing but stupidity and lies. He actually states in an interview that no priest has ever been convicted of abuse. I beg to differ. See I am working on a book titled Our Father Who Art in Hell: A Priest Abuse Survivors Story. The first part of the book is my story, the second part of the story names over 3,700 priests, nuns and others in the RCC who have in fact been credibly accused and many, many of them have in fact been convicted. Some who were credibly accused either died before the investigation was finished, or the investigation is still going on. Many of these priests were also sued by their victims.

What gets me the most about Bill Donohue? He loves to call us victims of priest abuse nothing more than lying gold diggers looking for a payday from the RCC. He also has outright attacked, along with Cardinal Timothy Dolan, SNAP, calling them the biggest menace to the Roman Catholic Church there is. Maybe because SNAP has the guts to go after all of these Pedophile Pimps, Priests and Nuns of the RCC?

Feb 21, 2013 3:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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