Gingrich's jab at Rove shows conflicts within Republicans' makeover

What a load of non sequiturs. When the writer first mentioned state efforts, his first example was of Marco Rubio joining (late in the game) some Senators working on immigration issues. Then when the writer does start listing efforts at the state level, the only ones mentioned are cutting taxes. GOP talks so much about reform and attends endless conferences, and nothing ever changes: definition of Einstein stupidity. Jindal makes a public plea to stop talking about fiscal austerity, and then vastly cuts taxes and services in one of the poorest states in our union. They are just broken.

Hmm.
Interesting you don’t mention the Republican showcase state of Florida.

Republican policies primarily benefit corporate conglomerates, banks, the wealthy elite and a bunch of right wing Christians who feel obligated by their God to make sure everyone else lives up to their God’s expectations.

The only reason they were able to gain power is that people who were not included in their numbers were relatively comfortable, thus focusing their attentions on enjoying and advancing their daily lives.

Now, those same people have been harmed by the people who benefit from Republican policies and they are very unhappy about it.

Good luck trying to reinvent your way out of that.

A party run by evil, fat, ugly, crooked, mean people.
Put a fork in the Republican party, it is done.

an example of wolves turning on each other when the easy prey isn’t satisfying. there’s certainly enough hatred in this group to go around, and what goes around comes around.

The photo of the two old white guys arguing about how to revive the Republican brand speaks volumes….

Collectivism has attempted to concentrate capital in the government (eg., the Soviet Union) and now is consolidating it in the U.S.(too big to fail) and co-opting it, then attempting to “redistribute” the GNP through governmental bureaucracies.

Both schemes fail, because they destroy individual incentive to produce. Why work, if one can get a “re-distribution”?

The arguments within the GOP are largely spurious (abortion, etc.). One can hope a libertarian trend will eventually prevail, where economic power centers are broken up and forced to compete, with genuine opportunity for INDIVIDUALS enhanced within entrepreneurships and smaller corporations.

The notion that the nation would be less competitive against mamoth foreign economic powers should be put to the test. There are too many little companies sucessfully exporting their goods to dismiss the theory of micro-competition, without a trial.

Maybe the whole lot of them should drink more water…yummy, yummy water.

@unionwv

I hope you are right. The GOP messed up by going overboard courting the religious vote. A libertarian philosophy should won out. But there is a large sect of the GOP that is pro centralized government and does not want localized government.

a pig with lipstick, well is still a pig.

There is no makeover, period.
Vote every republican out of every office every chance you get!

If the Democrats control everything, we will only bankrupt this nation sooner rather than later. Look at what happened when Obama first took office. We now have Obamacare. When all the provisions kick in next year it will be the beginning of the end of our healthcare system and economy. People are already being laid off or their hours cut back as a result of this ridiculous 2700 page monstrosity. More people than ever are now on foodstamps. Democrats mean big government, too many reguations and high taxes. They want to make most citizens dependent on the government. Anything to stay in power. People would rather vote for a living than work for one. We are in big trouble.

ust stating that you have to means you shouldn’t in this case. People join a political party because they believe in the same policies and ideas, at least in general. I the party has to lure them in somehow, it implies they are will to portray any policy or idea to do so, removing any meaning in them.I don’t believe we should have a two party system by letting the two parties force that on us. We should allow new parties to come into play. The US society has been trying to move in that direction, but the two parties have been able to join hands and stop those efforts. Namely the Tea Party and the “occupy” movements.

ust stating that you have to means you shouldn’t in this case. People join a political party because they believe in the same policies and ideas, at least in general. I the party has to lure them in somehow, it implies they are will to portray any policy or idea to do so, removing any meaning in them.I don’t believe we should have a two party system by letting the two parties force that on us. We should allow new parties to come into play. The US society has been trying to move in that direction, but the two parties have been able to join hands and stop those efforts. Namely the Tea Party and the “occupy” movements.

“Their party has been wrestling with two questions: Has our message gotten too conservative for an increasingly diverse and moderate national electorate? Or, is it just the way we’ve been selling it?”

The answer to this question is painfully obvious to everyone but the Republicans themselves.

moonhill wrote: “If the Democrats control everything, we will only bankrupt this nation sooner rather than later. Look at what happened when Obama first took office.”
You mean the end of the Great Recession and the beginning of years of slow but steady job growth?
“We now have Obamacare. When all the provisions kick in next year it will be the beginning of the end of our healthcare system and economy. People are already being laid off or their hours cut back as a result of this ridiculous 2700 page monstrosity.”
Employers cutting hours to avoid paying for benefits is not a new invention. It just has a very convenient scapegoat now that you Republicans choose to blame Obama rather than corporate greed.
“More people than ever are now on foodstamps.”
Most people on foodstamps have jobs that pay so little that they still fall below the poverty line. Record foodstamp numbers are a product of ever-growing income inequality, not larger government.
“Democrats mean big government,”
Obama has steadily shrunk the size of government as well as slowed the growth of government spending to the lowest rate in decades.
“too many reguations”
Obama has not implemented any more new regulations than any other president has.
“and high taxes.”
Taxes are the lowest they have been since the Depression.
“They want to make most citizens dependent on the government. Anything to stay in power. People would rather vote for a living than work for one. We are in big trouble.”
As per usual, your BS Fox News rhetoric fails miserably to stand up to the facts.

The republicans are already represented well in politics, for all practical purposes we have an excellent example of a centrist republican in President Obama. The political spectrum in this country as moved so far to the right that we consider progressive what would have been considered moderate not that many years ago.

GOP needs to revamp their entire agenda and direction to get anyone to ever listen to them again. They can’t do it.

I don’t see why it’s so complicated for Republicans: just start basing your arguments on facts rather than scare tactics and propaganda.

Real statesmen explain their viewpoints to the public and let the chips fall where they may. Only shameless scumbag politicians try to cloak their unpopular programs in language designed to fool people into voting for them. Karl Rove should be languishing somewhere in a cold, dark, damp dungeon cell.

The GOP doesn’t have the media in their pocket.
By media, I’m referring to the nightly news on TV, the major newspapers, and the movie industry. Democrats and the media are aligned philosophically and politically. So, it’s more difficult to get your message out when the “messengers” are at odds with them.

Calvin2k: Right on target.

This is what increasingly, current generation of aware-public has come to care-about.

If Republicans do the fact-based arguments or presentations, they’ll resonate well with what Democrat’s have been saying for the past 4 or so years.

I think they have cornered themselves and will find it quite hard to redefine themselves to get out of it for some time to come.

Many Americans are socially liberal and fiscally conservative. The Republicans have an attractive approach to managing the economy (Bush excluded) as long as they stick to their principals. A majority of Americans support abortion and gay rights, which the Republicans are staunchly against.

The GOP needs to distance itself from the religious right and keep religion out of politics. They will then be free to adopt policies that the American people can support. That will lead to success at the polls on Election Day.