Netanyahu says Iran using nuclear talks to "buy time" for bomb

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DeerDance wrote:

>1984: West German intelligence sources claim that Iran’s production of a bomb “is entering its final stages.” US Senator Alan Cranston claims Iran is seven years away from making a weapon.

>1992: Israeli parliamentarian Benjamin Netanyahu tells his colleagues that Iran is 3 to 5 years from being able to produce a nuclear weapon.

>1995: The New York Times reports that US and Israeli officials fear “Iran is much closer to producing nuclear weapons than previously thought” – less than five years away. Netanyahu claims the time frame is three to five years.

>1996: Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres claims Iran will have nuclear weapons in four years.

>1999: An Israeli military official claims that Iran will have a nuclear weapon within five years.

>2001: The Israeli Minister of Defence claims that Iran will be ready to launch a nuclear weapon in less than four years.

>2003: A high-ranking Israeli military officer tells the Knesset that Iran will have the bomb by 2005 — 17 months away.

>2008: An Israeli general tells the Cabinet that Iran is “half-way” to enriching enough uranium to build a nuclear weapon and will have a working weapon no later than the end of 2010.

>2009: Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak estimates that Iran is 6-18 months away from building an operative nuclear weapon.

>2010: Israeli decision-makers believe that Iran is at most 1-3 years away from being able to assemble a nuclear weapon.

Mar 03, 2013 7:03am EST  --  Report as abuse
stambo2001 wrote:

@deerdance thanks for taking the time to look those dates up. It’s been over 30 years now that we’ve been told Iran was just a few years from having ‘the bomb’. You can bet your post will be deleted before too many people have a chance to know the truth; there’s no room for truth in today’s world as there’s no profit in it.

Mar 03, 2013 7:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
expectus wrote:

Why are they acting lke they are discovering this? Not only are we not dumb enough to belive this is some new discovery but Bibi has known and siad this for a long time a well. Who is he talking to….OBAMA? He doesn’t care either. It’s his plan that he dangled in from of americans that wanted to hear it that didn’t fall firmly with Israel.
I don’t even want to hear this anymore. Youre in the spot because you didn’t listen and act a LONG time ago when Obama had less of a foothold and Congress had your back. Best i can figure you don’t want it solved, youre setting up Trib. If so yeah, at least i understand why you took this road. If you aren’t setting that up, thn your actions for the last year make no sense at all and you have put everyone in a worse position that they were originally.

Mar 03, 2013 7:51am EST  --  Report as abuse
Shamizar wrote:

DeerDance:
Thank you for putting Israeli fear mongering into proper perspective. Apparently Netanyahu has never read the tale of the boy who cried wolf.

Mar 03, 2013 8:04am EST  --  Report as abuse
sighber wrote:

The world is afraid Iran will build a nuclear bomb. The fear is based on a belief that Iran will use the bomb against it’s enemies. Some powerful people reccomend that we pre-emptively strike their nuclear facilities to destroy their capacity to enrich uranium. This facility is underground, heavily reinforced. So, what the world is afraid of, a nuclear strike, is the very thing we would likely need to use to destroy the threat. Why is it terror if they use the bomb against an enemy but righteous if we do it? such logic is deeply flawed and makes the prospect of nuclear war a near certainty imo!

Mar 03, 2013 8:39am EST  --  Report as abuse
0okm9ijn wrote:

Is Netanyahu strategizing for his right wing coalition in the Knesset, or another diversionary tactics to expand Israeli building construction into the West Bank? Any possible effort on the part of Iran to acquire nuclear bomb in Middle East is not helpful, but Israel’s highhandedness in the Israeli-Palestinian crises has alienated many ordinary folks around the world that any time Israel raises alarm is analogous to the boy that cries wolf

Mar 03, 2013 8:41am EST  --  Report as abuse
cautious123 wrote:

Oh, does he mean, like Israel is using the “peace” talks to buy time to steal the rest of the Palestinians’ land? The world is getting tired of Israel’s warmongering. If they didn’t steal their neighbor’s land, they would have more friends in their neighborhood. And by the way–isn’t stealing/coveting thy neighbor’s goods against the ten commandments? Just sayin, for all you good zionist christians out there.

Mar 03, 2013 8:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
westernshame wrote:

“The Israelis demand a tougher posture on Iran from their ally”

so the “rogue” non NPT member is issuing demands again. when is the international community going to take the appropriate actions against all non NPT states?

Mar 03, 2013 8:47am EST  --  Report as abuse
boreal wrote:

It’s not really a good timing right now for the little loud mouth bully boy on the block to urge his big brother to be a chum(p) (again!) and start another ME proxy war on behalf of Israel just when the US is forced to drastically cut back on its bloated military spending. By the way, how is Israel’s never discussed nuclear program?

Mar 03, 2013 8:47am EST  --  Report as abuse
Fantom65 wrote:

Iran lies to our face everytime they open their mouth. Sanctions affect only the general public. Then the midget president and the
ayatollahs have excuses for the people to burn our flags. “Oh look how bad the Americans are!!” We lifted the sanctions last year so we could send aid to the earthquake victums. Wouldn’t want their a-bomb building and flag burning projects to get behind! Why couldn’t they help them? They can build a-bombs but can’t help their earthquake victums? And we sure have plenty of money to give away, just look at our 17 trillion dollar debt! We need some new politicians with just a little common sense.

Mar 03, 2013 8:57am EST  --  Report as abuse
reality-again wrote:

Netanyahu is just stating the obvious.
If the Iranian leaders were not liars, they would let UN inspectors check whatever they want to check.
But they are liars, which is why no one believes them.

Abraham Lincoln said: “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”
The Iranian Mullahs don’t seem to get this simple idea.

Mar 03, 2013 9:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
JamVee wrote:

I’m not a fan of Netanyahu, but he’s exactly on point with this assessment!

I don’t really understand why we are still talking to them. It is total waste of oxygen!

You cannot expect anything positive to come from talking with a country that is run by a Dictator. Furthermore, that Dictator is a far right wing religious whacko, who kills his own citizens for desiring FREEDOM!

Mar 03, 2013 9:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
phoen2011 wrote:

Israel wants to drag again the US into another adventure in the ME.
Obama should take care of the US interests only: if Israel want to remain the only nuclear power in the ME, they have to foot the bill.
In the meantime China is watching and has already decided what is in their interest. They cannot blackmailed with the story of the holocaust and they will be vey soon the dealmakers. Maybe this the reason why Israel is in such a hurry to profit from the last days of the US egemony.

Mar 03, 2013 9:59am EST  --  Report as abuse
otrcomm wrote:

Thank you DeerDance for you eyeopener. Someone needs to put that onto a billboard.

Netyanyahu can not build his own coalition because ultra-Orthodox Jews do not want to serve in the military, so he throws up the tireless smoke screen about imminent nuclear threat from Iran.

Mar 03, 2013 10:27am EST  --  Report as abuse
usa.wi.vet.4q wrote:

Israel you should take your own action if you believe this? If I knew my neighbor was coming to kill me I would act. If my neighbor shot a rocket in my direction his home would burn.

Mar 03, 2013 10:31am EST  --  Report as abuse
Clint2 wrote:

I was just about to ask when Netanyahu got his “intelligence” when I read the other posts about all of the claims against Iran. I guess we’ll keep hearing this for many, many decades, until a) they build a bomb or b) Israel thinks they convinced enough people so that they can launch an attack and try to take Iranian land.

Mar 03, 2013 11:00am EST  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

@Deerdance

Your time line of the West’s fearmongering clearly shows that this did not happen prior to 1979 when everything was cozy between the West and Iran and when in fact the West was assisting Iran in its nuclear program.

In fact your time line shows that the fearmongering started at the time when the West was engaged in a bloody war against Iran through its puppets Saddan Hussein and other gulf state tyrants.

Mar 03, 2013 11:31am EST  --  Report as abuse
BiteRight wrote:

Obama just signed an order to cut budgets across the board notably of the military. He’s got no money to fight for Israel against Iran now, though he can comfortably send delegates for diplomatic talk with Iranians. The impatient Netanyahu is facing the very patient Obama whose pivot already shifted to Asia. It’s risky for Israel to take on Iran with DIY action without U.S. blessing.

Mar 03, 2013 11:43am EST  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

@usa.wi.vet.4q

For the first time I agree with you 100%. But the truth is Israel is scared. What would be the point of Israel attacking Iran? They can’t defeat it and they can’t fight against it for more than two weeks. Notice all Israel wars have been short. Israel wants Daddy(US) or Mommy(UK) to do the heavy lifting. Their F 16s are useless against Iran.

Nutyahoo stop talking just do it already. Maybe he needs Nike to help him do it.

Mar 03, 2013 11:51am EST  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

“At age 27, after the death of his brother, he organized a series of memorial seminars on terrorism that attracted much attention. Among those impressed was Moshe Arens, then ambassador to the United States, who plucked Mr. Netanyahu from a job as a furniture salesman and made him his deputy. Mr. Netanyahu was soon a delegate to the United Nations, a position in which he became a fixture on American television talk shows and popular with conservative American Jews.”

Nutyahoo is a disgrace to the furniture selling community.

Mar 03, 2013 12:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rgbviews wrote:

Netanyahu using Iran nuclear program issue to buy time to acquire more Palestinian land.

Mar 03, 2013 12:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rgbviews wrote:

Netanyahu knows that the American public will not send their sons and daughters into another ME war, and certainly not defnding Israelis after Israel starts the aggression. Therefore he is simply diverting world attention away from his accelerating colonization of the West Bank.

Mar 03, 2013 12:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
randburg100 wrote:

And for how long has Israel actually possessed nuclear weapons? Israelis & Iranians – as bad as each other!Both run along the lines of religious gibberish.

One lots stands squealing as pile of rubble & the other picks up pieces of rubble & murders their own kind for transgressing medieval “laws”

2 Million years of evolution have brought us to this..would have been better if the dinosaurs hadn’t become extinct!

Mar 03, 2013 12:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BenfromPA wrote:

Two religious nut countries, which is the evil of all bad! Can these religious people be nice? I am tired of the sick threats coming from these so called religious people, which is always threats of war and never a peace. Is that all your religion teaches you, war? Very frustrating, hopefully there isn’t another war in ME. Innocent people die and these religious crazy people keep singing the same song.

Mar 03, 2013 1:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
riddelup wrote:

Is this the first time the Iranians have tried this tactic. Why the surprise this just means they have reached another stage in their weapons development . Iran is just receiving the same opposition Isreal received during their weapons development. Right.

Mar 03, 2013 1:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Israel is like the tiniest kid on the playground. Lots of big talk when the largest kid on the playground is backing you up.

Mar 03, 2013 1:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jrpardinas wrote:

@DeerDance,

Excellent post!
As that famous TV detective once put it: “Just the facts ma’am.”

@rgbviews is right: Israel needs to talk up Iran so it can sweep under the rug what it’s doing in Palestine.

Mar 03, 2013 1:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ProudPersian wrote:

Every leader in the occupied territories has had some significant triumph on path to a greater Israel since its inception.

Mr. Netanyahu will surpass his predecessors success by hyping the Iranians nuclear programs as a prelude to oppress the indigenous and colonize their land on a larger scale the history will tell us.

Faramarz Fathi

Mar 03, 2013 3:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MacMan wrote:

If Israel really wants a nuclear-free Middle East, then it should acknowledge its own nuclear capability and put it on the table, just as it wants the Iranians to do.

And if Israel really wants peace, then its politicians should stop pandering to the religious nuts in their midst, agree to a meaningful state resolution for the Palestinians and then we can all move on.

If there is a viable state solution for the Palestinians, then the Israelis can probably finish building Netanyahu’s wall and the Palestinians have already implied that the right of return is negotiable.

Unless, of course, a “Holocaust damages” – like cottage industry springs up in Europe and courts start issuing judgments against Israel and Israeli-based businesses, the way Jewish groups in the US have been squeezing the Germans and the Swiss. As they say, you saw what you reap.

Netanyahu should be grateful that the Palestinians have been generally stupid and have played right in Israel’s hands, by fighting their battle with stones a bombs (against innocents, mostly), instead of making effective long-term use of the courts and working to get public opinion on their side (both around the world and in Israel itself).

Mar 03, 2013 6:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MacMan wrote:

If Israel really wants a nuclear-free Middle East, then it should acknowledge its own nuclear capability and put it on the table, just as it wants the Iranians to do.

And if Israel really wants peace, then its politicians should stop pandering to the religious nuts in their midst, agree to a meaningful state resolution for the Palestinians and then we can all move on.

If there is a viable state solution for the Palestinians, then the Israelis can probably finish building Netanyahu’s wall and the Palestinians have already implied that the right of return is negotiable.

Unless, of course, a “Holocaust damages” – like cottage industry springs up in Europe and courts start issuing judgments against Israel and Israeli-based businesses, the way Jewish groups in the US have been squeezing the Germans and the Swiss. As they say, you saw what you reap.

Netanyahu should be grateful that the Palestinians have been generally stupid and have played right in Israel’s hands, by fighting their battle with stones a bombs (against innocents, mostly), instead of making effective long-term use of the courts and working to get public opinion on their side (both around the world and in Israel itself).

Mar 03, 2013 6:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MacMan wrote:

You reap what you sow, of course.

Writing too fast and the spell-checker does its own thing, too. :)

Mar 03, 2013 7:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
iloveflowers wrote:

I am trying to come up with a rational way to accept at face value Iran’s claim that their program is for peaceful reasons only, considering their repeated desires to see Israel wiped off the planet.
As of yet, I have not been successful. If their claim is true, there is absolutely no justification for not allowing UN inspections to verify their claims. I am not religious, so Israel is like any other reasonable country to me; wishing to protect themselves from a country who has sworn their destruction is completely rational. Iran’s refusal seems to refute their claims.

Mar 03, 2013 7:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MacMan wrote:

@iloveflowers:

The Iranians can make a claim similar to Israel’s. Netanyahu has repeatedly attempted to push the US into attacking Iran (he successfully pushed the Bush Jr. Administration to attack Iraq).

Israel has refused to ratify the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and is currently the only country in the Middle East with nuclear weapons. It can rather successfully be argued that Israel’s nuclear arsenal is the main reason for the nuclear aspirations of other Middle Eastern states.

If the Middle East is to be nuclear-free, it would be only fair to ask ALL parties to dismantle their current programs and agree to not develop nuclear weapons in the future. Both Europe and the US can act as guarantors of the safety of all parties.

Of course, with the current Likud regime in the Israel and the might of the Israeli lobby in the US and Britain, placing Israel’s nuclear arsenal on the negotiating table has the chance of a snowflake in hell. So we are all stuck dealing with this for the foreseeable future, unless there is a regime change in Israel.

Mar 03, 2013 8:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MacMan wrote:

@iloveflowers:

The Iranians can make a claim similar to Israel’s. Netanyahu has repeatedly attempted to push the US into attacking Iran (he successfully pushed the Bush Jr. Administration to attack Iraq).

Israel has refused to ratify the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and is currently the only country in the Middle East with nuclear weapons. It can rather successfully be argued that Israel’s nuclear arsenal is the main reason for the nuclear aspirations of other Middle Eastern states.

If the Middle East is to be nuclear-free, it would be only fair to ask ALL parties to dismantle their current programs and agree to not develop nuclear weapons in the future. Both Europe and the US can act as guarantors of the safety of all parties.

Of course, with the current Likud regime in the Israel and the might of the Israeli lobby in the US and Britain, placing Israel’s nuclear arsenal on the negotiating table has the chance of a snowflake in hell. So we are all stuck dealing with this for the foreseeable future, unless there is a regime change in Israel.

Mar 03, 2013 8:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MacMan wrote:

@iloveflowers:

The Iranians can make a claim similar to Israel’s. Netanyahu has repeatedly attempted to push the US into attacking Iran (he successfully pushed the Bush Jr. Administration to attack Iraq).

Israel has refused to ratify the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and is currently the only country in the Middle East with nuclear weapons. It can rather successfully be argued that Israel’s nuclear arsenal is the main reason for the nuclear aspirations of other Middle Eastern states.

If the Middle East is to be nuclear-free, it would be only fair to ask ALL parties to dismantle their current programs and agree to not develop nuclear weapons in the future. Both Europe and the US can act as guarantors of the safety of all parties.

Of course, with the current Likud regime in the Israel and the might of the Israeli lobby in the US and Britain, placing Israel’s nuclear arsenal on the negotiating table has the chance of a snowflake in hell. So we are all stuck dealing with this for the foreseeable future, unless there is a regime change in Israel.

Mar 03, 2013 8:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MacMan wrote:

@iloveflowers:

The Iranians can make a claim similar to Israel’s. Netanyahu has repeatedly attempted to push the US into attacking Iran (he successfully pushed the Bush Jr. Administration to attack Iraq).

Israel has refused to ratify the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and is currently the only country in the Middle East with nuclear weapons. It can rather successfully be argued that Israel’s nuclear arsenal is the main reason for the nuclear aspirations of other Middle Eastern states.

If the Middle East is to be nuclear-free, it would be only fair to ask ALL parties to dismantle their current programs and agree to not develop nuclear weapons in the future. Both Europe and the US can act as guarantors of the safety of all parties.

Of course, with the current Likud regime in the Israel and the might of the Israeli lobby in the US and Britain, placing Israel’s nuclear arsenal on the negotiating table has the chance of a snowflake in hell. So we are all stuck dealing with this for the foreseeable future, unless there is a regime change in Israel.

Mar 03, 2013 8:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Life1 wrote:

@iloveflowers: how can you possibly be shallow enough to type ‘there is absolutely no justification for not allowing UN inspections to verify their claims’. With the amount of information available on the Iran program, how could you possibly write such a pile of garbage… There are IAEA inspectors living in Iran, and ALL sites are under constant video surveillance. It’s the most inspected nuclear program in the world.

And Iran’s idiot president has indeed repeatedly called for the Israeli regime to be wiped off the map. The soundbyte that always follows (and never repeated) is that he desires this to happen by BOTH Jews and Arabs voting in a general election. This would de-facto wipe the Israeli regime off the map democratically. No bombs, no war, no deaths. Just equal rights for all citizens and an open election = no more Israel.

How this can be so f’ing hard to understand for people is mindblowing…

Mar 03, 2013 8:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Stating the obvious again, yahoo-boy?

Mar 03, 2013 8:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Why is nuclear Iran considered such a threat? What? Are they’re going to launch a nuclear strike at Israel? Or USA? The retaliation would make Iran a wasteland for the next 2-3 million years, and Iranians know it.

Nuclear bombs are a deterrant, not a casus belli.

Mar 03, 2013 9:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse

There is no doubt that Iran is accelerating its build-out of the infrastructure necessary to produce a nuclear arsenal. They are increasing the number and sophistication of their centrifuges, they are stockpiling 20% enriched fuel, they are developing hardened facilities for their production, and mining uranium within Iran. Surprisingly, Russia and China, members of the UN Security Council, are aiding the Iranians in their quest for nuclear weaponry. They are also working on ICBM technology with the assistance of North Korea. There is no doubt that the Iranian mullahs envision themselves as the future dictators over the Middle East Arab nations, convinced that with nuclear weaponry, they can dominate Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Syria, and Jordan and the others, a domination of Shiites over Sunnis. They will do this before they attack Israel. And when they do attack Israel, it will be with the combined blessing of Russia and China, both of whom are on board with the prognosis since it bodes ill for the West.

Mar 03, 2013 9:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
scott1357 wrote:

does any intelligent person really care what Netanyahu says?

he is a bigot, racist, and probably terrorist

Mar 03, 2013 10:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
scott1357 wrote:

does any intelligent person really care what Netanyahu says?

he is a bigot, racist, and probably terrorist

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RoninMaximus wrote:

BOTTOM LINE: This has NOTHING to do with Iran the bogey man developing a nuclear weapon. It has more to do with neutering the people of South Lebanon so as to facilitate the theft of their water resources. Iran supports those efforts. Syria likewise also supported those endeavors as well – You know, the same Syria OUR GOVERNMENT SUPPORTED FINANCIALLY FOR YEARS, but now paints as tyrannical.
Western media portrays this fallacy as a tool to deceive the American people into continued blind support of the necessity of an attack on the bogey man.
It is very noteworthy the following information as written about Paul Craig Roberts:
Iran, unlike Israel, signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. Signatories to the treaty have the right to nuclear energy. Nuclear energy requires a low level of enrichment, 5% or less. The minute Iran announced a nuclear energy program, the Israeli government and its prostitutes in Washington lied that Iran was building a bomb. For exercising its legal rights under the treaty, Iran has been painted as a rouge criminal state and demonized.

As mentioned previously: The real agenda hiding behind the hysterical concern about an Iranian nuke, is the right wing Israeli government’s design on the water resources of southern Lebanon.

Twice the Israeli government sent the Israeli army into southern Lebanon to occupy and eventually annex the territory. And twice Hezbollah defeated and drove out the vaunted Israeli army. Thus, the Syrian government has been attacked by western intelligence, not because they’re wholesale killing their people, but because they stand in the way of REMAKING THE MIDDLE EAST. It is disgusting, to say the least. More disgusting is that most likely do not know that most Israelis DON’T support this madness that Netanyahu continues to spew…as he has done for the better part of 25 years.

Mar 03, 2013 10:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
blacknblue2 wrote:

The Israeli officials are pathological liars. I see several posts showing that for 40 years Israel has been warning that time is short. Meanwhile Israel won’t sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. Israel has rejected requests from the UN to stop taking land for settlements. There are many Rabbi’s that think Israel is acting arrogant and goes against the will of G_d.

“In his 2008 book The Culture of War, Martin van Creveld, a professor of military history at Israel’s Hebrew University, wrote that since former United States Secretary of Defense Robert Gates admitted that Israel had nuclear weapons, any talk of Israel’s nuclear weapons in Israel can lead to “arrest, trial, and imprisonment.”

Mar 04, 2013 7:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewSteveH wrote:

File under “O” for “Obvious,” or “Oblivious,” or “Obama.”

Obama doesn’t care if Iran gets the bomb. He’s waiting for it to happen, so he can say he couldn’t do anything about it. Then he can say, “Now there’s a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD in the Middle East, and Israel is going to have to learn to COMPROMISE.”

Mar 04, 2013 11:14am EST  --  Report as abuse

Hope Netanyahu tell Obama what is going on. Obama seems to be a non believer. The future of Israel is on the table and the US is not concerned.

Mar 04, 2013 11:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
zagoidx wrote:

Well, of course Iran is stalling for time. That’s what they do.

Mar 04, 2013 4:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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