U.S. drone strikes violate Pakistan's sovereignty: U.N.

The concept of Afghanistan as a unified nation is largely a Western concept (although Russia fell prey to it for a while also). We are not going to pacify Afghanistan on our terms unless we wipe out the entire population. My point is that trying to eradicate border sanctuaries for militants is a fruitless task as they will just move elsewhere within Afghanistan. And, in the meantime, we make bitter enemies of the Pashtun and any other tribes caught up in our cross-border drone attacks.

This is not a winnable situation. Surely the brass in the Pentagon can see that. Will no one summon up the grit to tell the emperor that he has no clothes?

Address the grievances earnestly; why Muslims and Palestinians are willing to sacrifice their lives. What moves them to such extremes? Then try to solve the problem without weapons, endless costly wars, millions of uprooted homeless refugees, rivers of blood.

Al Jazeera ran a segment yesterday that talked about three men who were killed by a drone as they were moving a sheep to market. This was in Afghanistan. Their families went to the local Army base and received a payment for the deaths of their loved ones. The problem here is that most Americans just do not care what happens in the use of drones. This drone war reflects badly on the President of the United States, and it reflects badly on America as a whole. If an ounce of common sense were present, then one could see that the the green on blue killings are linked to our cavalier use of drones to kill Afghans and Pakistanis. A lot of innocent bystanders are being killed in tribal societies. The rest of the tribe is going to go crazy with revenge when we kill people for no reason. This expanded use of drones needs to be curtailed if we want to have any hope of stabilizing Afghanistan. It should have been severely limited from the very start. We have nurtured a strategic failure of immense proportions. And, by the way, it is illegal.

More than half of the member-nations of the UN are loser-nations, like Pakistan. Their opinions matter little to the developed world. Let the US rule.

Time to stop mucking about and levy international sanctions against America. They need to learn that when you act like a terrorist, you’ll be treated by the rest of the world as a terrorist. No pussyfooting around; the UN needs to make an example of America, even if it means moving their headquarters to another nation. There are plenty of peaceful countries that would be willing to give the UN Sovereign land to build their headquarters on so they needn’t fear “eviction” like they do in America. I recommend Canada or Norway.

The people in powerful positions have so much blood on their hands. Are we not in the 21st century, it makes me wonder about the world we choose to live in. Are we not civilized, clearly were not with these brutal unethical drone strikes and endless wars. War, brutality, violence only bring more of it.

United Nations : Too little and too late !

It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that entering someones backyard is a violation of law.

Drones are still in their infancy and getting better and better.
Right now they have next to no defense capabilities.

Wonder how come no one has developed a rocket launcher that shot up a small microwave blast? A very small device/blast would take out all electronics within a mile range.

It would be like shooting fish in a barrel for any plane flying above.

America fought the Korean Conflict with one hand behind their back, clashing with MIG 15s flown mostly by Russian nationals who could cross the Yalu to engage and flee back across it to sanctuary when their butts got kicked. Of course all the wannabee traitors wringing their hands at the “human rights violations” here on Reuters would have looked the other way as the North Koreans spilled into South Korea murdering, raping and pillaging.

They see what they want to see, hear what they want to hear. And they will do it again as long as permitted to do so.

The Taliban gave safe harbor and “sovereign” protection to Al-Qaeda, who then executed an unprovoked attack killing more Americans on American soil that the Japanese did at Pearl Harbor. So we run the Taliban out of Afghanistan and help a two-faced traitorous Pashtun by the name of Hamid Karzai establish a systematic organization of corruption which poses as the so-called “government” of Afghanistan.

When the likes of Karzai is the “best and brightest” available in that country, it says more than anything else possibly can about the honor, merit and goals of that drug-based society. Rotten to the core.

Those Taliban as fled into Pakistan tribal regions were welcomed by the local Pashtun tribes, who harbor and conceal them to conduct hit-and-run raids on American forces in Afghanistan. But with a wink and a nod there is no hue and cry or protest about such “violation” of the “sovereignity” of Afghanistan by these terrorists.

And once again, Americans fights wars that cannot be won so long as the enemy can engage and withdraw at will. In my humble opinion there is no such thing as an “innocent” Pashtun who associates with, aids and comforts the Taliban who engage in such raids.

We need to explain to the United Nations that a decision has been made to let the Taliban have Karzai and his bunch to do with as they wish, no questions asked. They can also do as they please with Afghanistan.

But let us be absolutely clear we will not permit them access to or control of any nuclear capability of Pakistan. If and when control becomes in doubt, those assets will be swiftly and irrevocably defanged such that they never threaten anyone, anywhere ever again.

Either they keep their own back yard in order or we will clean it up ourselves. Any who get in our way do so at great personal risk. If and when America has to do that there will be assessed reparations in the form of a reasonable percentage of Pakistani natural resources (which we will help develop) until our “costs of cleanup” are repaid in full, with interest. It is no different than when the city or county steps in to clean up neglected or abandoned abandoned properties and then files liens on the delinquent landowner(s).

It’s time these backward yucks learn the advantages and disadvantages of civilized conduct and reciprocal obligations. Don’t like the rules? Don’t play this game.

Humans must have Human Rights & Animals – Animal Rights. When are we going to listen for Vegetable Rights ? Stone throwing Rights ? Why do we not have Laws to allow Terrorists & hate mongers to come & spread Hate & Violence at their time & convenience in place of their choice in our country ? Else address the basic question – what are our Interests in such far of Countries ? Why we could not Survive & Grow without them & resources they have access to. When we impose our thoughts on neighbors they are not going to like it, why do we have to impose our way of life on those countries whose systems we do not believe, when there are centuries of habits & vested interests opposite to our values ? The day US stops Policing other countries & cultures internal matters, there will be better chance of peace. Then we can have Human Rights & Animal Rights activists from our Culture to do protests. If natural, let commies evolve from our system, let democracies evolve in communist countries & tribal states. Why impose philosophies which are not understood. In the race to make the world a better place in the ways we choose it & to build economy & provide for our feds we have allowed this imbalance. We want an overnight change because we have grown faster, it does not work like that – life evolves in nature. Stay back, let them work it out amongst themselves. Stop interfering, we give that much freedom even to our kids, not knowing the end results. We take our freedom & have right of our privacy, give it to those whose paths are different.

OneOfTheSheep wrote:
“And once again, Americans fights wars that cannot be won so long as the enemy can engage and withdraw at will.”

Americans chose to do that, which kind of makes your whole rant pointless.

Fortunately, the US destroys US computers, cell phones, digital cameras, and fertilizer, the basic components of smart munitions. The US burns billions of gallons of US gasoline, diesel fuel, and aviation fuel. The US wastes billions of US man hours in unproductive work. The US losses include the costs of maintaining the US infrastructure to support the drone campaign. The greatest benefits for the world are that the US destroys itself; the US helps other countries move ahead of the US; and the US legalizes drone strikes against US political leaders, US economic leaders, and other US targets.

@Abulafiah,

No, what makes my whole rant pointless is American Secretary of State John Kerry saying in public that “Americans have a right to be stupid”. Who knew?

One anti-American UN article on U.S. Drone use attracts the likes of MikeBarnett, WagaBond, Butch_from_PA, moer, Questionable7, hhabib5111, ChicagoFats, boreal and Chicago2012 from wherever they lurk?

I begin to understand why some species eat their young.

@OneOfTheSheep

Lies, idiocy, and treason will not help America. As a former Special Forces combat veteran, I often encounter patriotic traitors who think they can cheerlead America to victory because they are too stupid or too dishonest to understand the difficulties of the projects they want the US to undertake. If the US cannot control 30 million Afghans, how will the US control the 180 million Pakistanis? Do you have a magic wand or do you wiggle your nose? Will you pay the complete cost of your plan if it doesn’t work? Will you sacrifice the lives of yourself and your family in the pursuit of your plan? Are you planning to stick the US for the costs and casualties of your treason in Pakistan?

If you remove the word, “Fortunately,” from the first sentence and remove the words, “The greatest benefits for the world are that,” from the fifth sentence, my statement presents the dangers to the US of the current drone policy. Loyal Americans warn the US of obvious dangers; patriotic traitors chant slogans about fantasies that won’t work.

I agree that “Lies, idiocy and treason will not help America.” But your words thereafter seem spoken in denial of reality.

I served in the Air Force. I did what I was told, and I presume as “a former Special Forces combat veteran” you did too. I have as much right to my opinion as you do yours, and I stand by every word I originally said. There is a difference between “cheerleading” and pointing out with the benefit of 20-20 hindsight those mistakes our leaders seem to make time and again.

The idea of “controlling 30 million Afghans is yours, not mine. Rumsfeld sent special forces into Afghanistan to coordinate heavy weapons support for ground fighters of the Northern Alliance warlords. Thus were the Taliban quickly swept from control of the country. I presume I was not alone in expecting Afghans to appreciate this opportunity to transition into a society with greater self-determination and a brighter economic future. Instead we have seen levels of corruption and betrayal on a scale before incomprehensible. So be it.

I do not “propose to control the 180 million Pakistanis”. It has been shown conclusively time and again that their leaders do not negotiate in good faith either. Their so-called educational “system” of madrassas only produces endless muslim radicals. For many the Taliban are their “brothers” So be it.

Once America is out of Afghanistan, the flow of American dollars for drone bases on their soil or use of the ports and roads through which we maintained our Afghan efforts will end. Pakistanis must accept that they have NO leadership that will EVER be “stable”, and so no more “foreign aid”. They richly deserve to “stew in their own juices”.

For America (and non-muslim societies worldwide) to protect themselves from the irresponsible potential of jihadists is not “treason”, but common sense prudence. We draw such lines in the sand for Iran and for North Korea because the danger is identical.

Radical elements cannot be allowed effective control of any of Pakistan’s nuclear capability. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand that a functional nuke in a container on a freighter doesn’t have to be small or efficient to render much of New York or Los Angeles or Long Beach, or Houston uninhabitable for generations and afterward the United States will be as frustrated and powerless as we were following 9/11.

If America or some coalition acting AS NECESSARY to break the sequence of events necessarily precedent to such attack bothers you, I’m really glad you are no longer among those to whom that job would fall. There are no guarantees, and special forces are all volunteers, right? Sometimes failure is not an option.

I give you full benefit of the doubt that your obvious expressions of frustration with or hatred of America is a symptom of PTSD. It’s hard to envision a rational path from where you were to where you are.