U.S. seeks Snowden's extradition, urges Hong Kong to act quickly

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Zaichik wrote:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/espionage
Just another example of “security” overreach.

Jun 21, 2013 10:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
sgreco1970 wrote:

Prison Sentence of Ex-Enron C.E.O. Skilling Cut by 10 Years

Jun 21, 2013 10:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SaggyNutzinHD wrote:

American government is now firmly in the control of the US Military and the military industrial complex. Eisenhower warned us of the evils of the military industrial complex yet they have now stolen our nation.

Jun 21, 2013 10:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SaggyNutzinHD wrote:

Edward Snowden is an American Hero of epic proportions! God Bless you Edward! I support you!

Jun 21, 2013 10:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
datsneefa wrote:

Yep ppl cal him a hero. US gov can’t have that.

Meanwhile they reduce the sentence of the most corrupt executive we have known in awhile, Jeff Skilling.

The US government has been bought and corrupted. 1776

Jun 21, 2013 10:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Larry2012 wrote:

The DOJ just HAS to extract it’s pound of flesh, doesn’t it? I’m actually surprised that the CIA hasn’t offed Snowden before now. I’d be willing to wager however that more governments secrets have been leaked far more often than they will admit but in this case, they got caught spying on American citizens. Despite their rather lame assurances that “no personal data was collected” it has been in the past and will continue to be in the future. I am convinced that We the People are being hoodwinked all in the name of “national security”. Yes, I believe the U.S. is a target for terrorists but so is every other major country in the world, but why is it that we haven’t taken any lessons in security from the Israelis who know more about terrorism than just about anyone? The word is “arrogance” on our part and it’s that arrogance that will ultimately put us all in dire jeopardy…if it hasn’t already.

Jun 21, 2013 10:52pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
usa.wi.vet.4q wrote:

Edward knew what he was doing. He also knew the legal ramification would be extreme. He will go to federal prison.

Jun 21, 2013 10:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Big2Tex wrote:

How about filing charges against the NSA, Holder, and Obama for violating the 4th amendment, 1st amendment, and disregarding the rule of law in general? Snowden is a hero and deserves a medal and freedom of prosecution as a whistle blower. the American people are at war with their government and i personally intend to win this war. reject everything government, reject everything Obama, and congress, and supreme court. they do not have the citizens whom they are supposed to serve in their interests. I HATE GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jun 21, 2013 11:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
CG2 wrote:

The NSA stepped in this one and are so screwed. I’m pretty sure there’s a law that says you have to report crime if you witness it, and since its obvious now the NSA was involved in a criminal activity, he was under a legal obligation to report the NSA’s criminal activities. Its an open and shut case – he’s a witness to a crime, reported the crime, and is protected as such. The NSA has no exception or carte blanche to commit crime any more than anybody else does.

Jun 21, 2013 11:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
randburg100 wrote:

…..and all because the US government has been shown to be WORSE than the Stasi & Gestapo rolled into one! They are gagging for a scapegoat to cover up their TITANIC embarrassment at being caught out!

Jun 21, 2013 12:34am EDT  --  Report as abuse
randburg100 wrote:

Oh, BTW, will the oath that US school kids be changed to “I swear by God this sacred oath that to the Leader of the US Dictatorship and peasants, Adolf Hitler/Obama (delete as required), supreme commander of the armed forces, I shall render unconditional obedience and that as a brave soldier I shall at all times be prepared to give my life for this oath.”

SIEG HEIL! SIEG HEIL! SIEG HEIL!

Jun 21, 2013 12:37am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Rhino1 wrote:

Zaichik:

You hit the nail on the head!

Who should be accused of spying???

Jun 22, 2013 1:43am EDT  --  Report as abuse
StigTW wrote:

What does it take to strip someone of a nobel peace prize… I’m finding Obama’s oversight less and lese nobel.

Jun 22, 2013 2:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
crucial wrote:

Espionage? Clearly we can see the absurd state of our democracy and the level of unscrutinized power that seems to favor the wealthy, the corrupt banker, politicians and their benefactors. Politician after politician, on both sides of the Atlantic and from both sides of the left-right divide, has argued that the loss of a little liberty is a small sacrifice to make for security.

So when is the government going to charge the government with espionage?

Jun 22, 2013 2:56am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Yamayoko wrote:

To accuse Snowden of espionage, you must establish the existence of somebody who hired him to spy against U.S. and there appears none alleged. Such a charge should only laid against a foreign national, not American citizen.

Jun 22, 2013 3:56am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Reuters1945 wrote:

“U.S. files espionage charges against Snowden over leaks”.

“Supporters say he is a whistleblower, while critics call him a criminal and perhaps even a traitor.”

Educated Americans all know who the real criminals are.

The people in the US government who decided to invade Iraq, which has cost the lives of five thousand brave Americans in uniform, and tens of thousands returning home without arms, legs and eyesight- or their sanity.

The people responsible for the deaths of one and a half million Iraqi citizens and now ethnic wars that will continue for years if not decades to come.

The people who allowed American banks to bankrupt millions of ordinary hard working Americans and then had the audacity to bail out those same banks with tax payer money when those banks were on the verge of failing.

The people in the American government who are now rushing to arm known terrorists and sadistic cannibals in Syria, again using American tax payer money, while millions of Americans go homeless and without jobs and proper health care.

And most criminal of all is that the US government has such a disdain for the American people that the government considers the American people only fit to work and pay taxes so those taxes can be misused in any way the government sees fit to launch endless unnecessary foreign wars and create sophisticated systems to spy on every last citizen in America.

Who are the real criminals ? We all know who they are and where they are- Washington, DC.

Jun 22, 2013 5:40am EDT  --  Report as abuse
PortlandME wrote:

Yamayoko..you can be charged with espionage by stealing designated government secrets. Again, Snowden admitted that he did just that. In fact, he participated in a video interview, as well as newspaper interviews, admitting to the fact.

Jun 22, 2013 5:52am EDT  --  Report as abuse
minipaws wrote:

No worries, the US government can make anyone go away. Look what they did to the Occupy Wall Streeters!

Jun 22, 2013 6:38am EDT  --  Report as abuse
susette wrote:

I think what worries me most is the possibility that Snowden could be captured and tortured by Chinese spies who would love to get their hands on as much classified intel as possible, or that Snowden would sell it. Why he felt he had to do this is beyond my comprehension. The Patriot Act, created under Bush, has been going strong. Now, it is under scrutiny, as it should be, by rabid opponents. Very interesting change of heart.

Jun 22, 2013 7:12am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Ronald_T_West wrote:

When considering the news Edwards Snowden, who revealed the existence of ‘’PRISM’, has been charged with espionage, let’s not forget PRISM had been authorized by the FISA court. The United States constitution’s clause authorizing Congress to create courts does not employ language allowing a constitutional oxymoron; that is creating secret court undermining other clauses of the constitution, or one clause empowered to cancel out the other clauses.

Restated in the simplest terms; When the clause allowing Congress to create courts is construed in such a way as to undermine other constitutional clauses, only one clause will count: the clause Congress gave away to secrecy. You can forget about the rest, including the clauses which guarantee a trial by your peers, the right to confront your accusers, your right to freely associate, your right to peaceably assemble, your right of public speech, all of which you can now be prosecuted in secret, and now your private speech which can be stolen and misconstrued as evidence in secret star chamber proceedings where you have no right of presence or counsel to challenge evidence or present contrary evidence, et cetera. The end result is no constitution at all.

Any actual ‘treason’ committed has been the Congress authoring the FISA legislation, the President signing it, the Chief Justice employing the law’s clause authorizing him to make appointments to the secret FISA court and those appointees serving.

Overlooking the political animal Obama who’s demonstrated not to have any constitutional principles at all, particularly this treason points to Chief Justice John Roberts, who possesses the training in law from a position which should, had the American Constitution meant anything at all, have prevented his conscience from making the appointments, effectively stopping the secret court in its tracks. John Robert’s close friend is Dick Cheney lawyer Shannen Coffin. Does that fact say anything to you?

Jun 22, 2013 8:02am EDT  --  Report as abuse
crittertron wrote:

I would hardly liken Obama to Hitler as most of these programs began under the Bush White House. But I am amused by the shock of silence coming out of average Democrats on this issue.

Jun 22, 2013 8:19am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JustinLZ wrote:

America has became a great country just because most average Americans think and behave in the same way as Snowden does; America would definately fall down because its government is monitoring its people and punish them out of the fear, like those notorious dictators did in the history

Jun 22, 2013 8:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JoeMam007 wrote:

How about the usa charged with breaking the law?????

How about criminal charges against the nsa???

Jun 22, 2013 8:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
msrahme wrote:

Snowden is a very courageous whistleblower and this warrants his absolute protection from war criminals such as Dick Cheney!

Jun 22, 2013 8:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
MrAlltruth wrote:

Watch out when you expose Obama, you’ll have to fight the Military or the IRS. This is like someone’s writing a scene for a movie. Our Government needs to be dismantled.

Jun 22, 2013 9:10am EDT  --  Report as abuse
AnnasPeace wrote:

I am confused, charging the “spy” who worked for a “spy”…duh. Let’s get down to just exactly whom set the system up in the first place…The Patriot Act was not enough so they set up the PAA (Protect America Act) Bush and buddies.

Jun 22, 2013 9:15am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Eurus2 wrote:

Big2Tex, don’t forget how this all data collection also undermines the 2nd Amendment, our ultimate protection against tyrannical government. How could an insurgency begin now? How could one rebel communicate with another?

Jun 22, 2013 9:16am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Lancelot9201 wrote:

A government agency performing illegal acts having an individual charged with what THEY say is an illegal act. This is all to confusing for me..!!

Jun 22, 2013 9:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse
mpaulson84 wrote:

This all comes right back to corruption. Contractors make billions off these spying programs, turn around and pump millions into or government byway of campaign funds to keep these illegal and unconstitutional programs going. Just so they can continue to make money. Meanwhile the DEM’s and GOP do everything they can to defend these programs so they can pump there campaign coffers with more dirty money.

To this day nothing pisses me off more then the fact that so more then the fact that so many people in this country are not seeing whats going on right in front of our faces. The entire government is corrupt, there is no such thing as gop or dems and real, honest politicians are quickly becoming a thing of the past. Obama is a puppet dancing on the same strings as Bush. In tell the majority of people see the truth, there is little hope in our government and even less in this country.

Jun 22, 2013 9:37am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BiteRight wrote:

What he leaked were all administration’s crimes against the people whom Obama claimed to represent. Americans have been swindled and kept unwary for too long. Without Snowden’s bravery, we are still living in the dark ages. There’s no mutual trust with U.S. citizens, let alone with Russians or Chinese. I wish him luck.

Jun 22, 2013 9:45am EDT  --  Report as abuse
wally55 wrote:

Send obama back to kenya!

Jun 22, 2013 9:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
FGFM wrote:

“…..and all because the US government has been shown to be WORSE than the Stasi & Gestapo rolled into one!”

Er, right.

Jun 22, 2013 10:04am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Peertoperr wrote:

I am not too sure why this was such a secret Osama Bin aden knew not to use phones and used messengers (ths is how we caught him). At the end f the day we should make it public that all calls from all providers on the internet can be monitored and the terrorists will have no other choice than to communicate through pigeons and mules. This capability should not be a secret and nor do I think that the terrorist were dumb enough not to use those methods. A the terrorist cases “avoided” were probably low key people who are not relly the people we should be really scared of. Sure they can do a bit of damage like the boston bombers but in the grand scheme of things the couple of deaths there are nothing compared to the million of people who potentially would die fighting for freedom against a potential tyrant that will take advantage of this infrastructure in the future for evil intentions

Jun 22, 2013 10:10am EDT  --  Report as abuse
citizenCA wrote:

If anyway is to blame it’s Congress. NSA acted within the laws created by Congress and who elected these people? You, whether you voted or not!

Jun 22, 2013 10:19am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Eurus2 wrote:

Doc, you need to google “William Binney”. Snowden is not the first to expose the tyrannical doings of the US government through the NSA.

Jun 22, 2013 10:26am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ALAN_PW7 wrote:

I fail to see the significance of charging the guy. Listening to phone conversations went on before it was officially approved and nobody cared.
Is it the Feds got a black eye since someone else said it first??
Why is nobody punished for talking about the U.S. secretly training Syrian rebels??
Why is nobody punished for leaking the information about the U.S. brokering the arms from Libya via Turkey and using Qatar as a middleman?

Jun 22, 2013 10:38am EDT  --  Report as abuse
elpaso wrote:

Portland–You are the only sane commenter
on here. The rest are low information
commenters and what is worse, probably low
information voters as well. Good luck
trying to inject some intelligence into
the conversation.

Jun 22, 2013 10:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
KaosHiker wrote:

Since when did reporting a crime become espionage.
As far as We know He did not leak any classified National Security secrets.
All He did was report criminal activity.

PortlandME … Everybody knows the difference of White Collar Crime

If You are rich enough, You are somehow above regular punishment for crimes.
You may be suspended with pay. Or If the crime is Heinous enough You may be asked to hand in Your resignation.

Wealthy people rarely see any jail time.
There are exceptions of course, But not very many.

Jun 22, 2013 10:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
fatwoman wrote:

Perfectly stated.

Jun 22, 2013 10:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ochun005 wrote:

@ Portland ME

“the federal courts,including the Supreme Court, have not ruled on the constitutionality of the Patriot Act, so stop saying the 4th amendment has been violated.”

and what’s the reason for this? Oh that’s right, both the Bush & Obama administration have blocked the courts from even looking at this on the grounds that it would harm ‘national security’…. and how do we know that allowing courts to look at these programs, in order to decide on their constitutionality, would endanger national security? Because the government says so…. I bet you lie awake night thinking adoringly upon how wise and great Obama is and try to quell the hatred you must feel at people who question it.

Jun 22, 2013 11:34am EDT  --  Report as abuse
VultureTX wrote:

@ochun005 ” Bush & Obama administration have blocked the courts from even looking at this on the grounds that it would harm ‘national security’”

cite please. Because there are multiple lawsuits in progress right now, and you claim that they are all blocked.

/yes some are because they don’t actually show injury yet claim a violation.

Jun 22, 2013 11:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
VultureTX wrote:

@ochun005 ” Bush & Obama administration have blocked the courts from even looking at this on the grounds that it would harm ‘national security’”

cite please. Because there are multiple lawsuits in progress right now, and you claim that they are all blocked.

/yes some are because they don’t actually show injury yet claim a violation.

Jun 22, 2013 11:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Woody870 wrote:

@crittertron is “amused by the shock of silence coming out of average Democrats on this issue.” Well, I am an “average Democrat,” and I’m amused by the almost universal theme running through most of the posts on this thread: naivety. Do you all really believe that effective national security can be maintained with totally open, transparent, and completely “legal” methods by each and every person who works on behalf of our government? Do you really believe that most of these programs began under the Bush White House? I am confident that most of our Federal administrations going back at least to the start of the cold war have found good reason to approve practices that, taken out of context, would appear to be “anti-American” or “unconstitutional.”

The real enemies of our free America have no problem at all abusing the “right to privacy” guaranteed by our Constitution. @Peertoperr dismisses the terrorism of the Boston bombers as “a bit of damage.” Would you also dismiss 9/11 as another “bit of damage,” facilitated by our need for total privacy at all costs? What should be significant to everyone is the relative “silence” coming from most of our elected representatives, members of the judiciary, and governmental administrators, many of whom are also elected by the people. They understand the need for government to do all it can to protect our security and accept, with reasonable and confidential overview, some practices that most everyday citizens would not have the information or ability to comprehend.

The clear voice we hear objecting to a practice that did have significant oversight in these cases is coming from the hard core Obama haters: “Send obama back to kenya!” or “Watch out when you expose Obama…Our Government needs to be dismantled. “ If you really think Snowden is a hero, good luck living with the consequences of anybody with a security clearance choosing to expose methods that he/she may not personally approve.

Jun 22, 2013 11:53am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jrintala wrote:

A lawless government attempts to use “law” against someone who is trying to “preserve, protect and defend the constitution of the United States”. Say, isn’t Obama supposed to be doing that?

Espionage?! For whom did he spy? China? Russia? Israel? None of the above. Oh, yes, he was an agent for the US people.

Theft of government property?! How ridiculous. Does the US government now have LESS of whatever he stole than before?

Jun 22, 2013 12:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
jrintala wrote:

And what about those National Security Letters? 12,000 of them in 2012 alone. The FBI comes to you to demand this or that information and you are PROHIBBITED from telling anyone that they talked to you. If THIS is not unconstitutional or at least against the spirit of the constitution, then ANYTHING is permissable. The US is rapidly becomming a police state, if it is not already. Example: This post and all others here will be logged into the new data center in Utah. Scary.

Jun 22, 2013 12:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ochun005 wrote:

@Vulture TX

“yes some are because they don’t actually show injury yet claim a violation”

Right, as the government argues: since we don’t have any proof that we are being spied on, we have no standing, and no one but the government can know what they are doing in secret because ‘national security’ will be harmed.

I claimed that both the Bush & Obama administration have blocked the courts from looking at these lawsuits on grounds that ‘national security’ would be harmed. This is true. I didn’t say that there weren’t any lawsuits that the government has not yet had a chance to block due to ‘national security’ or have you so aptly mentioned ‘standing’ issues. How bout you cite any lawsuits that the government has had a chance to respond to (meaning not ones that have recently been filed due to Snowden’s revelations) that the government has not tried to shut down.

Here I’ll mention two examples of cases that have been shut down, or have are being attempted to be shut down by the Obama administration:

Al-Haramain v. Obama

Jewel v. NSA

Jun 22, 2013 12:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Verpoly wrote:

@jrintala Your first comment is well said, stuck to the point, fairly representing the majority view.

Jun 22, 2013 12:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ochun005 wrote:

Post revision :S :

@Vulture TX
“yes some are because they don’t actually show injury yet claim a violation”

Right, as the government argues: since we don’t have any proof that we are being spied on, we have no standing, and no one but the government can know what they are doing in secret because ‘national security’ will be harmed.

I claimed that both the Bush & Obama administration have blocked the courts from looking at these lawsuits on grounds ‘national security’ would be harmed. This is true. I didn’t say that there weren’t any lawsuits that the government has not yet had a chance to block, due to ‘national security’, or as you so aptly mentioned ‘standing’ issues. How bout you cite any lawsuits that the government has had a chance to respond to (meaning not ones that have recently been filed due to Snowden’s revelations) that the government has not tried to shut down.
Here, to get us started, I’ll mention two examples that the Obama administration has successfully blocked or is attempting to block:

Al-Haramain v. Obama

Jewel v. NSA

Jun 22, 2013 12:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
VultureTX wrote:

@ochun005
so no one has been tried based on secretly obtained evidence from the NSA and no one has been killed in the USA based on these Snowden secrets either then.

/Thanks I will look into the Jewel case, the al haramain is a lost cause, since the people involved are dirty. As in the lawyers didn’t want the contents publicized either.

Jun 22, 2013 12:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
RabbitNexus wrote:

WAKE UP YOU DAMNED FOOLS!

THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES.

Jun 22, 2013 1:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ochun005 wrote:

Vulture TX,

I thought you would enlighten me to cases in which the government was allowing the constitutionality of the Patriot Act, or the governments secret programs, to be tested….

The fact that ‘so no one has been tried based on secretly obtained evidence from the NSA’ is not even close to the issue. There are many things that can be done w/’secretly obtained evidence’ including, but definitely not limited to, using this information to help build a case.

“al haramain is a lost cause, since the people involved are dirty” right because it was on those grounds the case had no legitimacy? So maybe the 4th amendment should be amended thus:

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized… unless you are dirty.”

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motamanx wrote:

Snowden’s reasons why he did it are more cogent and reasonable than the government’s reasons why the stuff was secret. The government was acting in ways that were unconstitutional.

Jun 22, 2013 1:43pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Jocomus wrote:

Should we believe whatever our government does is necessarily right ? Those who pay the lip service to call Snowden a traitor are just blind followers of the authorities, same as obedient subjects in Cuba, China, North Korea or Singapore.

Obama should only hold secrets against foreign states but not against own people. Seems our leaders are unable to distinguish rightful acts from absolute wrongdoings.

There’s no probable cause to indiscriminately snoop everybody.

Jun 22, 2013 2:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Ashishnfl wrote:

If my tax dollars are spent on these type of activities. I refuse to pay any tax to federal government, my civil disobedience protest.

Jun 22, 2013 2:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
murphyjim41 wrote:

I am an American and lived in Hong Kong from 1989-1994 when it was still a British colony. Very exciting city but much too hot and humid during Summers. Back when Hong Kong was still a British colony they would have extradicted Snowden to the US without a hassle. Now I don’t think so. It is clear that the US charges are political and that if extradicted to the US he will be subject to torture and mistreatment as was Bradley Manning. The US has granted asylum to many Chinese dissidents and I doubt if China will overlook this in deciding whether or not to send Snowden back to the US. It is distressing to realize what a totalitarian country the US has become. Obama is a disgrace.

Jun 22, 2013 2:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Robertbill wrote:

Why on earth would Hong Kong extradite as a political prisoner a person who was following his oath to preserve protect and defend the Constitution of the U.S.A. to an administration known to use illegal means to achieve their ends? What guarantee is there he will not be tortured under some flimsy and contrived excuse.

Jun 22, 2013 2:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
1MoreJaneDoe wrote:

“The United States charged Snowden with theft of government property, unauthorized communication of national defense information and willful communication of classified communications intelligence to an unauthorized person.”

We the people charge the United States government of abusing power with stealing *our* data, and other countries’ data, effectively occupying our private spaces to record who we call and for how long without our consent, and now telling us that we should just Shut Up and Trust Them Because, NO, No Abuses of Power Are Taking Place and Never Will. We charge them of engaging in character assassination of a smart young man who has the balls and the heart to stand up to this. The surveillance state is unmonitored and out of control.

I am one of millions from all sides of the political spectrum who stand with Edward Snowden. We must put aside labels of ‘left’
and ‘right’ and stand up for what we have all agreed long ago are basic rights… or we will lose them.

Jun 22, 2013 3:15pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
wonka wrote:

The leaders at the top of the USA Government lack any accountability whatsoever. The USA Government wants to have the power of blackmail and coercion over everyone, and to use this power to be able to turn people against and over their associates- all of which have been spied on.

Jun 22, 2013 3:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
reverb256 wrote:

The first thing the barbarians will do is will strip him naked and throw him in a cage.

Jun 22, 2013 4:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Kirby56 wrote:

The major flaw of those that argue Snowden is guilty due to violation of the Homeland Security Act is this: The Homeland Security Act violates the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. It is a moot point that elected officials passed this act. In order for the Homeland Security Act to be valid in regards to the Fourth Amendment is to either remove the amendment from the Constitution or amend it through the legal political process to allow for Homeland Security to do what it is currently claiming is legal to do. This was not done.
Passing legislation in an attempt to violate U.S. constitutional rights is not legal. The Homeland Security Act in regards to the Fourth Amendment is very much like writing a contract based on illegal premises and trying to say its legal because it is a signed contract by all involved parties. Sorry folks, supposed legal documents created under false pretences are not enforceable. Not in the U.S. or Britain.

Jun 22, 2013 4:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AnonymousHell wrote:

One defense to extradition is that you cannot receive a fair trial in the requesting state. By publicly trying to alter the course of judicial proceedings in the foreign jurisdiction, the United States is making for a prima facie case that it will be impossible for Snowden to receive a fair trial in the United States.

The executive branch should not be applying any form of pressure when the matter is one of law.

Jun 22, 2013 4:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Aretino wrote:

Of course, The Gubmit is going to urge Hong Kong to act “quickly.” In reality, they can let Fast Eddie dangle indefinitely and be someone else’s problem. In time, the media will stop returning his calls.

Jun 22, 2013 4:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
99thDimension wrote:

“If Hong Kong doesn’t act soon, it will complicate our bilateral relations and raise questions about Hong Kong’s commitment to the rule of law,”

Here’s the deal butt out of the South China sea and call off your attack dogs, Japan, Vietnam and the Philippines. Open your dealings on the Trans Pacific Partnership to the world and stop with the military crapola.

Jun 22, 2013 4:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Aretino wrote:

“The leaders at the top of the USA Government lack any accountability whatsoever. The USA Government wants to have the power of blackmail and coercion over everyone, and to use this power to be able to turn people against and over their associates- all of which have been spied on.”

This is totally silly. Whatever is wrong with the U.S. Gubmit the responsibility lies squarely with the people who elected it. No chance of that in China.

It’s a miracle the citizenry of the U.S. gets as good a gubmit as they do, considering how badly informed they are about their own Constitution and legal system.

But don’t take my word for it, read the comments on this page.

Jun 22, 2013 5:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
crittertron wrote:

I surprises me the number of people that accept the idea that things must be done to protect our lives that are not always legal or don’t always preserve our rights.

Members of my family have died and been wounded in every American war since the revolution and I would never be so daft as to state that I am not perfectly willing to live absolutely free even with a risk of death to me and my children (I have 2).

Franklin did not mean that trading freedom for security presented the risk of tyrannical government:

He meant that a willingness to trade freedom for security makes you a COWARD.

Jun 22, 2013 5:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Rule of law is when you prosecute NSA chairperson, Verizon security chief, Verizon CEO, and Department of defense for treason.

may be I said too much, Perhaps, I should hide.

Jun 22, 2013 5:49pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

“The very word “secrecy” is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it.” -JFK

GOD BLESS SNOWDEN

Jun 22, 2013 6:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Boggles wrote:

We all knew this was going to happen.

Jun 22, 2013 6:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
John30303 wrote:

Now that the “Pardon Mr. Snowden” petition on the white house “We The People” site has exceeded 100,000 signatures – in 11 days! – I wonder how(if) the President will listen.

Jun 22, 2013 7:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
John30303 wrote:

Now that the “Pardon Mr. Snowden” petition on the white house “We The People” site has exceeded 100,000 signatures – in 11 days! – I wonder how(if) the President will listen.

Jun 22, 2013 7:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DonWV wrote:

Our government has run a muck! Spying on it’s own citizens, giving arms to terrorist! I am ashamed of our government period!

Jun 22, 2013 7:19pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
branchltd wrote:

I don’t know if the US government is aware of it, but Hong Kong has laws concerning extradition.

Jun 22, 2013 7:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
datsneefa wrote:

so we arrest people for giving Us public information. Yet we consistently have our Countries worth sold to China in secret deals.

Hopefully we can get a drone strike in DC to remedy the real traitors

Jun 22, 2013 7:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
datsneefa wrote:

so we arrest people for giving Us public information. Yet we consistently have our Countries worth sold to China in secret deals.

Hopefully we can get a drone strike in DC to remedy the real traitors

Jun 22, 2013 7:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
flower1 wrote:

I am going to remind everybody that Michael Hastings died in very suspicious circumstances and there is no single article of a cause. Nothing. Zero information.

It looks like they got rid of the guy because he knew too much why else there is no even inquiry about what happened. This is unbelievable. Snowden should get some protection.

Jun 22, 2013 7:48pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
eric_baudaux wrote:

What about U.N. and Inter-American Commission on Human Rights (IACHR) explanation about the need to protect whistle blower Edward Snowden, who revealed confidential data in accordance with international standards?

Jun 22, 2013 8:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Reuters1945 wrote:

If Edward Snowden is ever extradited back to the USA, how long does anyone believe it will require before it is announced that he committed suicide in his jail cell.

Car “accidents”, suicides due to “depression” and/or alleged “remorse” for one’s past actions- if the puppet masters decide it is time for someone to “go”- he/she is as good as gone.

The Michael Hastings car “accident” may well have been intended to serve at least three distinct goals. Prevent him from completing what he was working on at the time of his death, guarantee he would never again ever investigate anything else, and finally, send a clear and unmistakable message that when you “rock the boat”, you better make sure your Last Will and Testament is signed, sealed and delivered into your attorney’s possession.

Rest in Peace, Michael Hastings. And locate the best Plastic Surgeon you can find, Edward Snowden and then disappear just as fast as you can.

Anyone, anywhere, who still believes in Freedom, the US Constitution and the Rule of Law, will understand your desire to stay alive.

Jun 22, 2013 9:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Why hasn’t any of our politicians been arrested for Treason or violating the US Constitution?

Jun 22, 2013 9:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ncpg wrote:

Without Snowden, we wouldn’t know that our cellphone providers are handing EVERYTHING over. We are in 1984.

Jun 22, 2013 9:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
olly19 wrote:

what hypocrisy! an administration with no respect for the rule of law demands that another country adhere to it.

Jun 22, 2013 9:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
fraccle wrote:

Uh oh.. White House is gonna put ‘em in the Fox Box(tm)!

Jun 22, 2013 9:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
joejohnson043 wrote:

nice they are moving so quick on this, so uh…. when are they going to arrest the real criminals on this issue? You know, the ones violating the 4th Amendment?!?! The Congressmen/women, Presidents and Judges who allowed this flagrant lawlessness?

Jun 22, 2013 9:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
bluepants wrote:

It is astonishing that the wheels of the USA have fallen off so rapidly.

Jun 22, 2013 9:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
KeesRoma wrote:

Hong Kong should tell Obama and his administration to go jump in a lake. Mr. Snowden is a hero to millions of Americans; the Federal Government is seen by many as the greatest existential threat to the future of the United States…and its people. It is Obama, Holder, the NSA spymasters, and Congress and its lackeys that should be on trial for violating the 4th Amendment rights (not to mention all the rest of our rights every time they see fit), not Snowden! If the Chinese government, and the government of Hong Kong, stand up to Obama on this, the American People will be in their debt…

Jun 22, 2013 9:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
IVDAD wrote:

What rule of law is this administration talking about? Any laws that is enforceable on the books that this group doesn’t like is ignored or overwritten by executive fiat.

Jun 22, 2013 9:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
joejohnson043 wrote:

If those of you railing on Snowden are so dang ‘law and order’, why do you ignore the absolute LAWLESSNESS of the government?! They were BREAKING THE LAW!!! Snowden swore an oath to the Constitution, I presume, I know the elected officials do, and they violated it; whereas Snowden did his duty and exposed the illegality being committed as we speak! How hard is it for you useful idiots to understand plain written English?! The Constitution is not very complicated, but apparently, government school education leaves it’s pupils unable to decipher the complex and foreign sounding BILL OF RIGHTS!!!

Jun 22, 2013 9:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
joejohnson043 wrote:

If those of you railing on Snowden are so dang ‘law and order’, why do you ignore the absolute LAWLESSNESS of the government?! They were BREAKING THE LAW!!! Snowden swore an oath to the Constitution, I presume, I know the elected officials do, and they violated it; whereas Snowden did his duty and exposed the illegality being committed as we speak! How hard is it for you useful idiots to understand plain written English?! The Constitution is not very complicated, but apparently, government school education leaves it’s pupils unable to decipher the complex and foreign sounding BILL OF RIGHTS!!!

Jun 22, 2013 9:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

And who are we to demand anything of another country?! Snowden is a hero and hopefully Hong Kong will tell us to shove it.

Jun 22, 2013 9:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Nespeaktogo wrote:

So why isn’t Corzine in jail??? Hypocrites !!!

Jun 22, 2013 9:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
dencal26 wrote:

Snowden is no Hero folks. He has already informed Red China we were hacking them. I want my nation to spy on China.

Jun 22, 2013 9:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BaiRen wrote:

Blah blah blah blah, USA has no jurisdiction in Hong Kong. I need to head over to Costco for a big case of popcorn, it’s going to be a loooong show.

Jun 22, 2013 9:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
GuyIncognito wrote:

I do not think “rule of law” means what the Obama Administration thinks it means…

Jun 22, 2013 10:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DOCKING wrote:

What Snowden did was a puff of smoke in a hurricane, compared to the Constitutional destruction and law-breaking of the Obama administration!!!!!

Jun 22, 2013 10:02pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
RUInvisible wrote:

This is bizarre, to say the least….. Crooks n criminals of DC want to punish Snowden for doing to them what THEY did to us!!??

That IS the definition of irony and a superb example of hypocrisy.

Jun 22, 2013 10:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bobba wrote:

Megaupload was a US/Hong Kong spy front, so it wouldn’t surprise me if Snowden went there causing the same trouble. Generally all “dissidents” are state agents, or we wouldn’t hear about them.

Jun 22, 2013 10:19pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DaMayor wrote:

****”If Hong Kong doesn’t act soon, it will complicate our bilateral relations and raise questions about Hong Kong’s commitment to the rule of law,” a senior Obama administration official told Reuters*****

“If Barry’s Administration doesn’t read, uphold, and defend the Constitution, it raises questions about their commitment to freedom and the privacy rights of U.S. citizens,” said patriots everywhere.

Jun 22, 2013 10:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
davezimmerman wrote:

The Obama thugs tell Hong Kong to act quickly or else. I hope Hong Kong says “I’ll think about it”.

Jun 22, 2013 10:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

I don’t think the folks in Hong Kong will be intimidated by j. Eric Holder…

Jun 22, 2013 10:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
steve0210 wrote:

“Hong Kong’s commitment to the rule of law”

That’s the typical Orwellian response.

Jun 22, 2013 10:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
David_SD wrote:

ME TO U.S. GOVERNMENT: Stop tapping my phones and reading my e-mails, you traitorous Nazis!

Jun 22, 2013 10:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
tshep wrote:

“If Hong Kong doesn’t act soon, it will complicate our bilateral relations and raise questions about Hong Kong’s commitment to the rule of law…”

Laughable when the same administration ignores any law it doesn’t like.

Jun 22, 2013 10:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
skellmeyer wrote:

Barry’s worried about the rule of law???!!!?!?

HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAAAHHAHAHHAHAAAAA

Go ahead!
Pull his finger.

Jun 22, 2013 10:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Gary_McIntyre wrote:

Charging him for espionage? Ha! The NSA spies on the whole country — nay, whole world — let THOSE bozos get charged for espionage!

Jun 22, 2013 10:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Brittwit wrote:

How ironic that one of the most lawless forked-tongued, nontransparent administrations in the history of the USA lectures the uber-free enterprise Hong Kongians on ” THE RULE OF LAW!” Almost makes one’s head blow up just to read such priceless progressive propaganda.

Jun 22, 2013 10:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
woohooman wrote:

The whole purpose for Snowden – is to demonstrate what happens to whistleblowers. They will make an example of him – to silence through fear and intimidation.

Jun 22, 2013 10:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Jakedog72 wrote:

Snowden is a hero. “Deep Throat” was not considered to be a criminal. Snowden has what so many Americans lack today-strength of conviction. Think about this-Soldiers who took orders from their superiors and burned villages of innocent women and children during the Vietnam War were tried as war criminals, had they stood up and said no they would not have been in trouble. Snowden stood up to a government that has trashed the Constitution-he stood up for Americans and the Supreme Law of the Land.

Jun 22, 2013 10:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
tagon wrote:

Ummmm? Exactly what did this guy do. Everyone knows that the government has it’s eyes and ears on all of our private information. Why is this news? What national security has he breached? Why all the hub-bub? He has given exactly NO SPECIFIC INFORMATION on anything.
Just like our government.

Jun 22, 2013 10:48pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
woohooman wrote:

A criminal Government CANNOT have it’s vassals exposing it’s LAWLESS BEHAVIOR. So by FEAR and INTIMIDATION you shall be ruled.

The SNOWDEN story is about slave training – the precedent used to control those who dare to hold the Government accountable.

Jun 22, 2013 10:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Well that’s one way not to get him back order China to do anything?

Jun 22, 2013 10:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JebS wrote:

This is the one case where Hong Kong should tell the Feds to stuff it.

Jun 22, 2013 10:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
neilc23 wrote:

Come on!

It is Obama who doesn’t want to “rule” by the rue of law. It was Obama who tried to influence the rule of law in killing in Florida. And it was Obama who condemned BP after the Macondo disaster in the Gulf of Mexico almost a full year prior to the completed investigations by the U.S. Coast Guard and BOEMRE (Bureau of Ocean Management, Regulation and Enforcement).

Let’s face it. Obama thinks that he’s above the law, just like so many politicians.

Jun 22, 2013 10:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Sure they want him back fast. The longer he’s there the more support he gains. Bilateral relations problems are code words for we will make you pay if you don’t hand him over. Former VP Dick Cheney has already convicted him while Obama says nothing because this is a bipartisan issue. The all agree that he must be made to pay for revealing the lies. A certain number of US Big media reporters are attacking him by saying he should surrender himself for punishment because that’s what previous nonviolent protesters did. Of course these reporters have never put themselves on the line and they would be the first to scream first amendment rights if it was them. Obviously you get the telephone numbers and then use either directory assistance or telephone billing records to chase down political enemies and there supporters.

Jun 22, 2013 11:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
truth03054 wrote:

“If Hong Kong doesn’t act soon, it will complicate our bilateral relations and raise questions about Hong Kong’s commitment to the rule of law,” a senior Obama administration official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity.

This is a joke right? Since the USA inc. has zero commitment to the rule of law here on US soil and is spying on every American and trampling on our rights then Hong Kong may be the only place on earth where Americans can seek the rule of law. Just look at the USA DOJ and see the corruption and contempt for us in their actions,See one Eric Holder who has perverted the rule of law in every way possible. This entire administration is a disgrace to our nation. This government is not ours.

Jun 22, 2013 11:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

oh the irony!!! The white house is claiming that it questions Hong Kong’s commitment to the rule of law.

I hope “he” never comes back from africa

Jun 22, 2013 11:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Oinia wrote:

The Obama White House is concerned about Hong Kong’s “commitment to the rule of law”?!?

The basis of authority for all US law is the Constitution. PRISM violates the explicit protections of the 4th and 5th Amendments. Whistleblowers are protected from prosecution when they reveal government violations of Constitutional rights.

Obama’s in a glass house throwing stones at China. Or, he’s in a House of Cards blowing hot air.

Jun 22, 2013 11:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MikeJeff wrote:

Watch the 0 drone this guy if China doesn’t hand him over. He has no respect for the law or civil rights.

Jun 22, 2013 11:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MikeJeff wrote:

Watch the 0 drone this guy if China doesn’t hand him over. He has no respect for the law or civil rights.

Jun 22, 2013 11:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
blacknblue2 wrote:

I hope Hong Kong tells them to blow off!!!

WHat happened to the America I once loved and was proud of??????

Jun 22, 2013 11:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
LGLken wrote:

HAHA!

Good one FedGov, “…raise questions about Hong Kong’s commitment to the rule of law.”

Funny joke.

Of course, the United State government abandoned the “rule of law” a long time ago. The U.S. government is a lawless, criminal organization.

They have devoted themselves to centralized power and the corruption that goes with it. They “delight in their wickedness.”

-Ken
Laser Guided Loogie

Jun 22, 2013 11:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Kristal61 wrote:

I’ll be shocked if they don’t try this guy for treason and execute him. This is the most evil government we’ve ever had.

Jun 22, 2013 11:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
cristo52 wrote:

This will show just how weak Obama is.

Jun 22, 2013 11:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Sanddog wrote:

“If Hong Kong doesn’t act soon, it will complicate our bilateral relations and raise questions about Hong Kong’s commitment to the rule of law,” a senior Obama administration official told Reuters

Oh, please!! How about Obama’s commitment to the rule of law? The NSA is prohibited by law from collecting information on Americans. The NSA is his organization and he’s done nothing but double down on stupid since Snowden ratted him out.

Jun 22, 2013 11:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
GMBuls wrote:

Proof that the NSA surveillance program is unconstitutional, and that Snowden is therefore a hero:
The only way the program could be ‘reasonable’ (and in line with the 4th amendment) is if other avenues of prevention that are LESS intrusive have been tried first.
Could the Feds say that every family must have a federal goon sitting in their living room with a shotgun to ‘prevent crime’ when they are at the same time insisting that the family not lock any of their doors? That’s essentially what we have: massive intrusion and overreach while the country’s borders remain wide open. It’s all a farce, and only the soft-minded can’t see that it’s a farce.

Jun 22, 2013 11:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Afterburner wrote:

Our deeply discredited Feds are playing an extremely dangerous game with their own citizenry, and they know it. The endless charade parade of the FBI,NSA,IRS and even EPA Department Directors giving an apparent never ending catwalk, modeling their perjury, incompetence, obstruction and sheer contempt for our Constitution which is the very foundation of our Republic.

I can’t believe the replacement Director of the FBI “To know Jim Comey is also to know his fierce independence and his deep integrity,” Obama said. What a load of pig manure, and we can all smell it, the whole nation. The new Director Comey just oozed out sycophancy with his whole being,”. Obama put Comey there for one reason, he hopes Director Comey can hiss back at congress and intimidate them.

Jun 22, 2013 11:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Afterburner wrote:

Treason? Pray tell me, after the last 3 weeks of the grand corrupt Fed parade of the D.O.J ,IRS, D.O.S. EPA and the confession of NSA’s Director Clapper that he did in fact lie to Congress under oath that yes indeed, they too have been using our U.S. Constitution as their personal Charmin Ultra Soft!

Jun 22, 2013 11:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fascismisevil wrote:

Is the USA currently a dictatorship?

Jun 22, 2013 11:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Swissik wrote:

Feds order Hong Kong? Oh yeah good luck with that. Long live Snowden.

Jun 22, 2013 11:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fascismisevil wrote:

Reuters =illuminati news

Jun 22, 2013 11:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
bullmeter wrote:

“Hand the insolent little troublemaker over to me,” said one dictator to the other.

Jun 22, 2013 12:03am EDT  --  Report as abuse
III_percenter wrote:

Can’t believe I’m actually siding with China. Tells me how low my country has sunk. I hope China gives the US the universal salute and gives Snowden a penthouse apartment just so the salute is nice and clear. What’s BO gonna do? Drop a drone missile in Hong Kong? I’d love to see the political crap storm that comes up after that.

Jun 22, 2013 12:17am EDT  --  Report as abuse
tonytee1968 wrote:

my own government has turned into a government that I now fear. I will never trust my government ever again as long as I live .

Jun 22, 2013 12:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse
WarDrums wrote:

All of this is happening because Obama doesn’t target whistleblowers. If you see something, say something. Unless that something is against the government. Then you’ll get hanged for treason.

Jun 22, 2013 12:31am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Mepika wrote:

Much respect to Snowden

Jun 22, 2013 12:33am EDT  --  Report as abuse
aero405 wrote:

“raise questions about Hong Kong’s commitment to the rule of law”

Too funny. What does US government know about commitment to the rule of law? This is the government that has no problem running/expanding a drone assassination program without justification (and violating other countries’ sovereignty in the process, according to UN), lying to citizens’ faces about the extent of surveillance, lying to citizens’ faces about the cause of the Benghazi attack, harassing political adversaries through the IRS (and – surprise! – lying to citizens’ faces about it)… what a joke.

If Obama’s word is worth anything at all, he’ll pardon Snowden and thank him for initiating a critical conversation that he keeps saying he’s open to having (now that the cover’s been blown off).

Jun 22, 2013 12:34am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jimbake wrote:

“If Hong Kong doesn’t act soon, it will complicate our bilateral relations and raise questions about Hong Kong’s commitment to the rule of law,” a senior Obama administration official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity.

GIVE ME A BREAK! The most corrupt, most disgusting administration to ever govern the United States comes forward and speaks about the rule of law. Our Lying Psycho President is the most embarrassing human being to govern our sovereign people. He deserves to be impeached, tarred and feathered and run out of Washington on a rail. Words can’t adequately describe this piece of trash and those he has appointed to be his “staff.” He and his staff are full blown liars who know not the truth. There isn’t an honest word in them. America has suffered as never before under this human garbage. In contrast, hats off to Edward Snowden, this man is a real hero. The more he reveals, the better.

Jun 22, 2013 12:35am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Joebleu wrote:

The so called government who are hired to work for the people by the people for the betterment of the country are guilty of treason and far more, now they work for themselves for the destruction of the country and the planet, why should anyone listen to them, they all need to be removed and sentenced, Oliver Stone is correct in his statement and that is only the beginning.

Jun 22, 2013 12:40am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JE1 wrote:

WE’RE BOYCOTTING CHINA if they hand him over.
Spread the word.

Jun 22, 2013 12:42am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jack_433 wrote:

Snowden is a criminal, pure and simple.

Jun 22, 2013 12:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jack_433 wrote:

Snowden is a criminal, pure and simple.

Jun 22, 2013 12:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jack_433 wrote:

Snowden is a criminal, pure and simple.

Jun 22, 2013 12:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Demstruction wrote:

The Obama administration admonishing someone for not following the rule of law. Now THAT’S rich.

Jun 22, 2013 12:45am EDT  --  Report as abuse
August1000 wrote:

Sorry USA, but China doesn’t negotiate with TERRORISTS!

Jun 22, 2013 12:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
LastCrusader wrote:

Snowden didn’t give away any national security leaks. All he did was leak that the government is spying on its people in a massive way. Sure they want him back. So they can railroad him. This regime of Obama’s is tyrannical and reminds me of many 50′s & 60′s communist regimes. Of course, Obama is a Marxist at his core, born, bred and raised. So can we expect any less from the 1st Marxist Communist Socialist Progressive Leftist Racist Anti God President? No , I truly don’t. Snowden is an American hero, but the regime will try to make him as a traitor.

Jun 22, 2013 12:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BrokenToaster wrote:

“President Barack Obama and his intelligence chiefs have vigorously defended the programs, saying they are regulated by law and that Congress was notified. They say the programs have been used to thwart militant plots and do not target Americans’ personal lives.”

Here is another Reuter’s article:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/22/us-usa-security-snowden-list-idUSBRE95L0BZ20130622

“Agency has access to vast amounts of internet data such as emails, chat rooms and video from large companies such as Facebook and Google, under a government program known as Prism.”
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One thing I do know is that both govt. and private companies gather large quantities of data and use it to compile statistics to see what the public is thinking. Ever notice how some of the posts on Reuters have a word highlighted in bold? This word is a tagged word that is added to a list, so sites like Ria Novosi (“popular tags”) and yahoo (“trending now”) can view the general thought/mood of people.
My assumption is that PRISM is to split meta data (into statistics/ groups,general thoughts/feeling based on content, kinda like how a physical prism separates rays of light.
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Though, effective in terms creating statistics(understanding the average emotion/thought about topic) it can also wrongly cluster people into categories.Not to mention a program like that should easily be able to filter/narrow its search to specific people.
If it is not exploited now, since the data is stored it could be exploited by someone else later. It is a good thing snowden allowed the average person to be aware of a project that was going on for some time,(most people don’t really pay attention.

Basically the general public (techs,political scientists, people who follow news) had already figured/known this was going on for some time, Snowden was merely confirmed it.
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Jun 22, 2013 12:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Mike_Montana wrote:

Hong Kong’s commitment to the rule of law – that’s pretty funny coming from the US Criminal Government who’s leader has counterfeit ID.

Jun 22, 2013 12:53am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BrokenToaster wrote:

Since Hong Kong is in the middle of a political scenario, i bet it will try to stay out of both.

Jun 22, 2013 12:54am EDT  --  Report as abuse
MMallarde wrote:

So China can steal or most important military secrets, but harbor someone that embarrassed the Obama administration? Oh, boy, now they are in serious trouble.

Jun 23, 2013 1:06am EDT  --  Report as abuse
nanoaug wrote:

“In the past 20 years, the U.S. government has racked up remarkable success rates in winning convictions or guilty pleas from people brought before the federal court in Virginia”

The federal court in Virgina? The federal government has a 98% conviction rate across the board. They have kept juries

Jun 23, 2013 1:13am EDT  --  Report as abuse
artvet2 wrote:

Hong Kong authorities should take “prosecutorial discretion”, as Obama and Nepolitano have done, and ignore any treaty.

Jun 23, 2013 1:19am EDT  --  Report as abuse
greatnesslost wrote:

Reason why Obama and his minions are so wound up about his is not “National Security”. All Snowden did was expose unconstitutional use of NSA technology that most knew on some level existed.

Obama fears Snowden testifying in court that the election of 2012 was gamed by Axelrod and Jarrett using NSA Prism computers to identify the presidents supporters in all key swing states. There is no other explanation for Obama’s election machine to pinpoint support in districts to such a degree vote counts 60 – 40 Obama in 2008 became 85 – 15 Obama in 2012 with turnouts often over 100% of registered voters. This accomplishment flies in the face of standard electioneering capability using phones, and volunteers knocking on doors to find such voters.

If Snowden makes this claim Obama and Biden will be completely destroyed

Jun 23, 2013 1:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
greatnesslost wrote:

Reason why Obama and his minions are so wound up about his is not “National Security”. All Snowden did was expose unconstitutional use of NSA technology that most knew on some level existed.

Obama fears Snowden testifying in court that the election of 2012 was gamed by Axelrod and Jarrett using NSA Prism computers to identify the presidents supporters in all key swing states. There is no other explanation for Obama’s election machine to pinpoint support in districts to such a degree vote counts 60 – 40 Obama in 2008 became 85 – 15 Obama in 2012 with turnouts often over 100% of registered voters. This accomplishment flies in the face of standard electioneering capability using phones, and volunteers knocking on doors to find such voters.

If Snowden makes this claim Obama and Biden will be completely destroyed

Jun 23, 2013 1:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
greatnesslost wrote:

Reason why Obama and his minions are so wound up about his is not “National Security”. All Snowden did was expose unconstitutional use of NSA technology that most knew on some level existed.

Obama fears Snowden testifying in court that the election of 2012 was gamed by Axelrod and Jarrett using NSA Prism computers to identify the presidents supporters in all key swing states. There is no other explanation for Obama’s election machine to pinpoint support in districts to such a degree vote counts 60 – 40 Obama in 2008 became 85 – 15 Obama in 2012 with turnouts often over 100% of registered voters. This accomplishment flies in the face of standard electioneering capability using phones, and volunteers knocking on doors to find such voters.

If Snowden makes this claim Obama and Biden will be completely destroyed

Jun 23, 2013 1:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
greatnesslost wrote:

Reason why Obama and his minions are so wound up about his is not “National Security”. All Snowden did was expose unconstitutional use of NSA technology that most knew on some level existed.

Obama fears Snowden testifying in court that the election of 2012 was gamed by Axelrod and Jarrett using NSA Prism computers to identify the presidents supporters in all key swing states. There is no other explanation for Obama’s election machine to pinpoint support in districts to such a degree vote counts 60 – 40 Obama in 2008 became 85 – 15 Obama in 2012 with turnouts often over 100% of registered voters. This accomplishment flies in the face of standard electioneering capability using phones, and volunteers knocking on doors to find such voters.

If Snowden makes this claim Obama and Biden will be completely destroyed

Jun 23, 2013 1:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
greatnesslost wrote:

Reason why Obama and his minions are so wound up about his is not “National Security”. All Snowden did was expose unconstitutional use of NSA technology that most knew on some level existed.

Obama fears Snowden testifying in court that the election of 2012 was gamed by Axelrod and Jarrett using NSA Prism computers to identify the presidents supporters in all key swing states. There is no other explanation for Obama’s election machine to pinpoint support in districts to such a degree vote counts 60 – 40 Obama in 2008 became 85 – 15 Obama in 2012 with turnouts often over 100% of registered voters. This accomplishment flies in the face of standard electioneering capability using phones, and volunteers knocking on doors to find such voters.

If Snowden makes this claim Obama and Biden will be completely destroyed

Jun 23, 2013 1:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
greatnesslost wrote:

Reason why Obama and his minions are so wound up about his is not “National Security”. All Snowden did was expose unconstitutional use of NSA technology that most knew on some level existed.

Obama fears Snowden testifying in court that the election of 2012 was gamed by Axelrod and Jarrett using NSA Prism computers to identify the presidents supporters in all key swing states. There is no other explanation for Obama’s election machine to pinpoint support in districts to such a degree vote counts 60 – 40 Obama in 2008 became 85 – 15 Obama in 2012 with turnouts often over 100% of registered voters. This accomplishment flies in the face of standard electioneering capability using phones, and volunteers knocking on doors to find such voters.

If Snowden makes this claim Obama and Biden will be completely destroyed

Jun 23, 2013 1:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
GaryMarino wrote:

This is Bullshit. Screw the US Government; they violated the Rights of Every citizen in the Country. Furthermore, Do NOT believe the Nonsensical hearsay that Snowden leaked anything about hacking the Chinese’ Communications. That is being fabricated by friends of the US Govt. to justify the “Espionage” charges. The real traitors to the United States are in Washington D.C. When the politicians sell the People out in favor of Corporate, Foreign and Special Interests, the Government is No Longer Legitimate.

Jun 23, 2013 1:23am EDT  --  Report as abuse
cb2000a wrote:

Obama and rule of law….hahahahahaha. Good for a laugh.

Jun 23, 2013 1:25am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Randolph2010 wrote:

Edward Snowden is one of America’s Greatest Heroes. May God bless him and protect him from being assassinated by the traitors who have taken over America. (It’s not the military, it’s those international characters above the military who use our military for their own corporate and private adventures.) God bless America!

Jun 23, 2013 1:28am EDT  --  Report as abuse
kryst wrote:

Be careful what you write folks. Negative remarks about the NSA/CIA, or implied skepticism about the official concept of “National Security” will be duly noted. Likewise those here who insist Snowden is a “criminal” deserving punishment will be noted. Points for and against duly accumulated will be calculated at a future date. And it could be life or death matter.

Jun 23, 2013 1:31am EDT  --  Report as abuse
twodogs13 wrote:

“If Hong Kong doesn’t act soon, it will complicate our bilateral relations and raise questions about Hong Kong’s commitment to the rule of law,” a senior Obama administration official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity….. Funny when they decide to worry about silly things like rules of law. Certainly seems fine for obama and his minions to make up their owns rules and laws..so why can’t all us little people do the same? Hypocrites is not even a strong enough word for these pathetic people.

Jun 23, 2013 1:37am EDT  --  Report as abuse
lex_70 wrote:

In 2008, candidate Obama decreed that….

“often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out,” and he hailed whistleblowing as:

“acts of courage and patriotism, which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars, should be encouraged rather than stifled as they have been during the Bush administration.”

http: //change.gov/agenda/ ethics_agenda/

Jun 23, 2013 1:43am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Joesockit wrote:

Obviously there at two types of Americans here, the ones that believe government has absolute power and those who don’t. I’m of the latter. The right way is to outline the powers the government wants and put it to a vote of the people. This is too important to let politicians control it. Unfortunately the politicians have removed the right of public referendum from the people to consolidate their power over us.
God help us. Instead of a vote, many of us will have to die in the next revolution since we are no longer a civilized society thanks to Obama and our burocrats. Thank you Obama voters. I hope your checks and phones were worth it.

Jun 23, 2013 1:46am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Assur wrote:

They got embarrassed now they need their revenge.

Jun 23, 2013 1:48am EDT  --  Report as abuse
daveca wrote:

“”If Hong Kong doesn’t act soon, it will complicate our bilateral relations and raise questions about Hong Kong’s commitment to the rule of law,”"

Speaking of rule of law, NSAs illegal activities…

lets talk about THAT

Jun 23, 2013 1:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
DeSwiss wrote:

I don’t think so…… :-/

EXCLUSIVE: US spies on Chinese mobile phone companies, steals SMS data: Edward Snowden
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1266821/us-hacks-chinese-mobile-phone-companies-steals-sms-data-edward-snowden

Jun 23, 2013 2:16am EDT  --  Report as abuse

Great plan. The same leaders that helped outsource almost all of our manufacturing to china now want to piss china off.

Jun 23, 2013 2:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Johndadiver wrote:

Obama kills children, discounts their lives as ” Collateral Damage”. Eric Holder supplies automatic weapons to Drug Cartels in Mexico. Hillary Clinton Allows the US embassy to be over run by criminals who intern murder Ambassador Stevens. These are the accusers
Bradley Manning jailed for exposing Murder by Apachee Helicopter. Edward Snowden revels the Obama administration lying about NSA spying on Americans and the world. Are you beginning to see the picture? Hong Kong tell Obama to take a hike! Obama should be impeached for treason

Jun 23, 2013 2:52am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Johndadiver wrote:

US Government has absolutely no credibility. Zero. Zip. Nadda. Obama is a pathological liar and his supporters are suffering from “Stockholm Syndrome”

Jun 23, 2013 2:55am EDT  --  Report as abuse
imsailing wrote:

Wow, that’s rich….Obama questioning another country’s commitment to the rule of law!! There’s at least one body part of his that is enormous & it’s not his ears! Run Ed, run!

Jun 23, 2013 3:04am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Pisinmyhat wrote:

If China surrenders our hero Snowden,to the criminals in Washington, then i’ll never buy anything else from China again. Goodbye Walmart !

Jun 23, 2013 3:16am EDT  --  Report as abuse
randburg100 wrote:

U.S. seeks Snowden’s extradition, urges Hong Kong to act quickly

Why? So that Snowden can me made to disappear…Obamamamamamama & his cronies have been shown to be as bad as the Stasi….no….wait…,make that WORSE than the Stasi! At least the Stasi made no secret (poor pun) of their activities! Obamamamamamamama on the other hand, tries to pretend that he’s some sort of uber-superhero come to save the world – when in reality he will exactly the opposite!

Jun 23, 2013 3:31am EDT  --  Report as abuse
libsareidiots wrote:

The man is a patriot who is only hated by the tyrannical govt that got caught stealing our info..Violating & crapping all over our 1st & 4th ammendent..Thats more of a crime than throwing the swollen 5 headed beast of the gubment under the bus for “STEALING OUR INFO & SAVING IT HOW IS THAT EVEN LEGAL>>ITS NOT.Like i said,”the mans a patriot, same as The founding fathers who the liberal msm demonize to get those brownie crumbs from DC Its sickening to me the amount of scandals that aren’t even making the news as the sheep don’t wanna come out of the matrix down the rabbit hole bizzaro world of mke believe where You don’t think of such things til it gets to a point that you can’t ignore it.Now itd take, impeachment,repeals,& 75% of both houses getting voted out asap! lol,quoting the great Jack Nicholson as “The Joker” from Batman..”THIS TOWN NEEDS AN ENEMA!!”

Jun 23, 2013 3:31am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Verpoly wrote:

Obama’s administration is the latest model of totalitarian tyranny, using pretext of law as his command, with own appointed judges. Poor America, God bless Americans.

Jun 23, 2013 3:39am EDT  --  Report as abuse
fulredy wrote:

Sounds to me that he’s already been tried and convicted. How his “crimes” rise to the level of espionage is a stretch, IMO.

Jun 23, 2013 4:17am EDT  --  Report as abuse
fr0thing wrote:

To my liberal friends bashing Dick Cheney – good for you. But remember Obama has extended and EXPANDED all of Bush/Cheney’s bad policies. How does that make you feel?

Jun 23, 2013 4:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
fr0thing wrote:

To my liberal friends bashing Dick Cheney – good for you. But remember Obama has extended and EXPANDED all of Bush/Cheney’s bad policies. How does that make you feel?

Jun 23, 2013 4:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
fr0thing wrote:

To my liberal friends bashing Dick Cheney – good for you. But remember Obama has extended and EXPANDED all of Bush/Cheney’s bad policies. How does that make you feel?

Jun 23, 2013 4:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
stopthejunk1 wrote:

As the U.S. becomes more and more a closed society, the government will become more and more secretive and paranoid. The FISA courts and the prosecution of whistleblowers like Assange and Snowden are perfect examples of a government that, while enforcing their oppressive “laws” on the rest of us, are completely lawless themselves.

A “secret law” is no law at all; it is lawlessness. A “secret court” is not justice, it is totalitarianism masquerading in the trappings of democracy.

Jun 23, 2013 4:35am EDT  --  Report as abuse
bvdon123 wrote:

The people in government making these decisions to spy to the extent they do, as well, the decision makers to prosecute Snowden… seriously, these people are psychopaths.

As said in the God Father… All this must end.

Jun 23, 2013 4:45am EDT  --  Report as abuse
tradcat wrote:

May God bless and protect this young American Patriot-!

Jun 23, 2013 5:03am EDT  --  Report as abuse
roughrider59 wrote:

“…questions about Hong Kong’s commitment to the rule of law..” That’s funny, the biggest law breaker in the world calling someone else out.

Jun 23, 2013 5:16am EDT  --  Report as abuse
wolfgang11111 wrote:

Arrogant. Hypocritical.

“If Hong Kong doesn’t act soon, it will complicate our bilateral relations and raise questions about Hong Kong’s commitment to the rule of law,”

Who’s law? The American people are starting to consider their relationship with their government and it’s commitment to the law, the constitution specifically.

Snowden is not Manning. Free Snowden!

Jun 23, 2013 5:46am EDT  --  Report as abuse

It’s amazing how the government has become a supreme entity rather than the servant of the people it’s supposed to be. Snowden blew the lid off of the illegal, unconstitutional, immoral, unethical egregious criminal behavior of the US Government. Rather than righting the wrongs it has perpetrated, the US Government (including the President and Congress) has doubled-down on its abuses, justifying its right to do whatever they want.

Even worse, the American people have awakened to discover their captivity to the US Government via their digital shackles. In response, they have done nothing. I guess freedom isn’t very popular anymore.

Jun 23, 2013 6:24am EDT  --  Report as abuse
whaat wrote:

It is too bad that they do not go after our corrupt congress with the same vigor.

Jun 23, 2013 6:26am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BuddyPC wrote:

American government is now firmly in the control of the EPA, IRS and the bureaucratic regulatory complex. Eisenhower warned us of the evils of the scientific industrial complex yet they have now stolen our nation.

Jun 23, 2013 6:32am EDT  --  Report as abuse
frjns wrote:

It is an outrage that this administration is telling another country anything about “The Rule Of Law”

Jun 23, 2013 6:32am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Vorenious wrote:

This man is not a traitor, he is a man who saw wrong in our government and stood up to stop it. The government pushes the program Fraud, Waste and Abuse and expects everyone to include contractors to abide by it and to assist in ferreting out the FWA.

If anyone deserves to be called a TRAITOR, it is OBAMA and his henchmen, to include Reid, and Pelosi and his toothless VP, Biden.

If Hong Kong wants to set an example for the world and to protect any citizen of any country that speaks out for wrongdoing, do not bow to the US. The US needs Hong Kong, more than Hong Kong needs US.

Jun 23, 2013 6:34am EDT  --  Report as abuse
godbluff wrote:

Nice try… But the the banner idea person should be fired from their position at the Cathy’s Interesting Apples…That sign was paid for by someone with a lot of money, not a sympathetic whistle-blower supporter. It’s so obvious it makes me sick. Additionally,anyone who knows governments and spy apparatchik knows that this earth is not big enough for anyone to hide in for too long…My god, they practically have this guys itinerary on the news every day…~ yawn~

Jun 23, 2013 6:39am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BobStreb wrote:

Keep hero Snowden out of rouge US government hands. Holder’s DOJ has become an enemy of the Republic.

Jun 23, 2013 6:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ChrisMcPhail wrote:

18 Edward Snowden Quotes About U.S. Government Spying That Should Send A Chill Up Your Spine

#1 “The majority of people in developed countries spend at least some time interacting with the Internet, and Governments are abusing that necessity in secret to extend their powers beyond what is necessary and appropriate.”

#2 “…I believe that at this point in history, the greatest danger to our freedom and way of life comes from the reasonable fear of omniscient State powers kept in check by nothing more than policy documents.”

#3 “The government has granted itself power it is not entitled to. There is no public oversight. The result is people like myself have the latitude to go further than they are allowed to.”

#4 “…I can’t in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they’re secretly building.”

#5 “The NSA has built an infrastructure that allows it to intercept almost everything.”

#6 “With this capability, the vast majority of human communications are automatically ingested without targeting. If I wanted to see your e-mails or your wife’s phone, all I have to do is use intercepts. I can get your e-mails, passwords, phone records, credit cards.”

#7 “Any analyst at any time can target anyone. Any selector, anywhere… I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authorities to wiretap anyone, from you or your accountant, to a federal judge, to even the President…”

#8 “To do that, the NSA specifically targets the communications of everyone. It ingests them by default. It collects them in its system and it filters them and it analyzes them and it measures them and it stores them for periods of time simply because that’s the easiest, most efficient and most valuable way to achieve these ends. So while they may be intending to target someone associated with a foreign government, or someone that they suspect of terrorism, they are collecting YOUR communications to do so.”

#9 “I believe that when [senator Ron] Wyden and [senator Mark] Udall asked about the scale of this, they [the NSA] said it did not have the tools to provide an answer. We do have the tools and I have maps showing where people have been scrutinized most. We collect more digital communications from America than we do from the Russians.”

#10 “…they are intent on making every conversation and every form of behavior in the world known to them.”

#11 “Even if you’re not doing anything wrong, you’re being watched and recorded. …it’s getting to the point where you don’t have to have done anything wrong, you simply have to eventually fall under suspicion from somebody, even by a wrong call, and then they can use this system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision you’ve ever made, every friend you’ve ever discussed something with, and attack you on that basis, to sort of derive suspicion from an innocent life.”

#12 “Allowing the U.S. government to intimidate its people with threats of retaliation for revealing wrongdoing is contrary to the public interest.”

#13 “Everyone everywhere now understands how bad things have gotten — and they’re talking about it. They have the power to decide for themselves whether they are willing to sacrifice their privacy to the surveillance state.”

#14 “I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under.”

#15 “I don’t want to live in a world where there’s no privacy, and therefore no room for intellectual exploration and creativity.”

#16 “I have no intention of hiding who I am because I know I have done nothing wrong.”

#17 “I had been looking for leaders, but I realized that leadership is about being the first to act.”

#18 “There are more important things than money. If I were motivated by money, I could have sold these documents to any number of countries and gotten very rich.”

Jun 23, 2013 7:03am EDT  --  Report as abuse
yankeefan wrote:

France has no extradition with the US, go there! Paris is preferable to Hong Kong or Rekjavik!Lots of pretty girls and great food.

Jun 23, 2013 7:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse
yankeefan wrote:

The Obama administration is demanding that Hong Kong respect the “rule of law”?

Jun 23, 2013 7:11am EDT  --  Report as abuse
leeuniverse wrote:

Obama and his Administration should be the ones “charged” with Treason and Espionage.

Bush’s monitoring was one thing, but Obama’s taken it even farther well beyond anything “reasonable”!

Jun 23, 2013 7:13am EDT  --  Report as abuse
mdvlt800 wrote:

As America becomes more of a police state – continues to slip into tyranny under this president and his party’s rule, fleeing Americans to countries such as China for safety and freedom will become common place.

Jun 23, 2013 7:14am EDT  --  Report as abuse
LuLu123 wrote:

The hypocrisy in the Obama administration is mind blowing. “If Hong Kong doesn’t act soon, it will complicate our bilateral relations and raise questions about Hong Kong’s commitment to the rule of law”.

You have been spying on the world! God help us to impeach this idiot in the White House.

Jun 23, 2013 7:23am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Afterburner wrote:

Hey Drudge, He just gave you the slip, wake up and change your headlines!

Jun 23, 2013 7:24am EDT  --  Report as abuse
emmayus wrote:

This administration has lied to the American people on just about every imaginable level and the supposedly “free” press not only ignores the lies, but they cover for them as well. Now we’re supposed to believe that a person who reveals the abuse of an information gathering program, which violates our Fourth Amendment rights, is really a traitor. Snowden’s accusations are consistent with the what the TSA does, consistent with the abuse of drones on American soil, with use of SWAT teams being used to apprehend people who default on student loans, with condoned voter fraud and the list goes on. I don’t believe ANYthing this administration says and very little of what the American news agencies call “news”. Neither are trustworthy anymore. If there are traitors in our midst, it’s not people like Snowden

Jun 23, 2013 7:42am EDT  --  Report as abuse
CecilJack wrote:

That ship left port before The Kenyan could even order his loyal minions to make up some plausible denials. As one peruses a world map it has to occur to even the slowest American subjects that Ecuador (a country ruled by a dictator who despises America as much as the Kenyan does) is on the doorstep of Mexico; and that with evidence of Qurans and Chinese trinkets discarded along the trails in Arizona and New Mexico, America is done. Embrace Sharia, prepare to experience improvised explosive devices and many more honor killings close up.

Jun 23, 2013 7:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
therealOracle wrote:

I see they rolled out Cheney for this one. Interesting choice.

Jun 23, 2013 8:13am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jimtwans wrote:

Why should Hong Kong worry about the rule of law when the Americans languish under an unconstitutional regime?

Jun 23, 2013 9:04am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Reuters1945 wrote:

It is clear that in an ideal world, that was not up to its neck in hypocrisy, corruption and certified political ‘evil doers’, bought and paid for by billion dollar Washington, DC, Lobby’s, this latest set of outrages, coming out of Washington, would inspire Americans to contemplate a new, alternative political party.

Clearly, Americans were conned big time, hook, line and sinker, with that phony script about “CHANGE”.

We did get “Change”. We went from “bad” to “worse”.

Remember all those starry eyed people standing around the White House, the night in 2008, when Team Obama, pulled off the con job of the century.

There they all stood, proud Americans, basking in the glow of their perceived “Democracy”, tears welling up from their eyes and cascading down their cheeks, all believing our nation had been delivered out of the hands of Bush and his willing enablers.

Now, for perhaps the first time, in a fashion that cannot be misinterpreted or misunderstood by anyone, the Truth is right there, in Black and White, clear as a Summer’s day, for all to see, that there is really no difference at all, between the two major political parties.

The differences are all window dressing, like a red necktie versus a blue necktie. All “sound and fury” during the Campaigns- and signifying nothing.

It is just possible we are standing on the edge of a true sea change in America, of Biblical proportions, wherein something, by slow degrees will evolve out of the present horrors facing us, all emanating out of a place called Washington, DC.

Perhaps, millions of Americans will rethink people like Ralph Nader, as wise now at 79 as he was at 29, who once said:

“The only difference between the Republican and Democratic parties is the velocities with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door. That’s the only difference.”
Ralph Nader

I would trust Ralph Nader with the keys to my house, the keys to my car, the keys to my Safety Deposit Box at the bank, and most important- the Keys to The White House.

We need Ralph Nader, or a person like Ralph Nader, to save our Sacred Republic. Others spend their lives, “talking the talk”, and then there are those precious few, who actually, “walk the walk”.

Google what this man has stood for and done in his life, for the American people, and then compare that information with what any given politician in Washington, DC, has ever done for America during the last several decades.

You know the drill.

“Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me”.

There is an odor emanating from The White House, called “B O”.

It is time to grow a new political movement and party in this Nation that represents a real alternative instead of a cheap carbon copy.
We do not need more of the same people who believe we work for them instead of them working for the American people.

Talk about the tail wagging the dog!

Call me a dreamer but I have the faith that something big is going to start to change in this country. People are waking up from their long slumber.

In the next Presidential election we still have one more chance to save the United States of America for our children and the future.

We need someone to step up to the plate, from outside the Washington, DC, beltway and remind us and inspire us to believe that America is worth saving.

We need a man or woman with the honesty, the integrity and the decency of a “Ralph Nader”, to step forward.

Yes, we were all conned, including this writer. But that is no reason to give up on America and our Democracy. There is too much at stake.

It is not too late. Americans – arise. Pick up your millions of brooms and let’s clean up the mess the “human parasites” in Washington have made of our nation and the world.

Three hundred million brooms can do quite a bit of cleaning and create quite a bit of change.

I for one, have not given up on America- just those people who conned America. And yes- they did.

Jun 23, 2013 9:05am EDT  --  Report as abuse
AZreb wrote:

“….rule of law….”? What nerve Obama has to be speaking of the rule of law when he and his administration are shredding the Constitution and Bill of Rights as fast as possible!

Jun 23, 2013 10:09am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Draksky3 wrote:

How much money did Obama put aside of tax payers money to pursue this? I did not realize that the deficit has been paid off and there is waste money laying around. All this guy did was tell the American peoople about the violation of our constitutional rights and how the Obama administration screwed up…another words because they got caught? Why is it so many others can talk about this stuff to friends and family and it is not considered TOP SECRET but when it becomes public knowledge it is a crime.Again why would the government ask a worker to keep illegal activity by the government a secret? SO what charges are being filed against those who had any association with these programs no matter how small? Wow Obama is on a one way string path to destroy this country financially from the inside with his Obama care crap and now weeding out those he feels will stop his plan. You wait he will sell us out to a foreign country and hand over everything he knows about each and every one of us. Here a though if you are involved in something you feel must be kept secret then it is most likely something you should not be doing in the first place. Another words government, do not do things that you have to look over your shoulder to see if the public is watching or up to see if God approves.

Jun 23, 2013 1:48pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

I think everyone who sides with the government and the NSA should have their homes searched five random times a month. I mean if they have nothing to hide what would it hurt? We could stop millions of crimes if we just forget about the whole 4th ammendment.

Jun 23, 2013 7:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ps2os2 wrote:

Last I heard he was on a plane bound to Russia and then either to Ecudor or some other county that does not have an extradition treaty with us.

Jun 25, 2013 1:34am EDT  --  Report as abuse
nilseo wrote:

All you idiots who posted messages here saying that Edward Snowden is a traitor, and that he should be extradited and jailed, are either brain-dead or government shills. Period. If you can’t see the fact that he did NOT expose anything that was not already known, and that he most certainly did NOT steal any government “secrets”, then you are obviously woefully misinformed because you blindly follow the mockingbird media and the criminal federal government, still thinking that Obama is the greatest thing since sliced bread. To you, Obama is infallible and can do no wrong. You worship the very ground that he walks on because, after all, he won a Nobel Peace Prize. Funny how he is spreading “peace” all over Syria, after he ordered those “love bombs” dropped on Libya and handed Libya over to al-Qaeda. How ironic that he is arming al-Qaeda, aka the “Free Syrian Army” and the “rebels” (who are in fact mercenaries, and are not Syrian at all!), while his TSA blueshirts (remember Hitler’s brownshirts?) are busy looking and groping for al-Qaeda in our crotches at the airport! Our proud Nobel laureate and his collaborating Attorney General preside over the most corrupt, most treacherous, most outrageous federal government we have ever had, and you Obama apologists, minions and mindless sheeple have the AUDACITY to call Edward Snowden a traitor for simply pointing out the unconstitutional, indiscriminate and out-of-control domestic spying that is, and has been, taking place all over the country??? You idiots obviously don’t realize that the targets of this spy grid are not the so-called “terrorists” at all, but rather are the true patriots who opppose the attempts by the Obamaites and the liberal federal judges to literally gut the U.S. Constitution while kowtowing to the “too-big-to-fail (and jail)” banksters who are stealing what wealth is left in this country (oops, sorry, the correct term is “quantitative easing”). I sincerely hope that all of you sheeple will wake up before this country is totally destroyed, and constitutional rights eliminated. Finally, as for Edward Snowden, he is truly a national hero who was simply warning us all about the ever-increasing federal tyranny, just as Paul Revere warned the American colonists that the British redcoats were coming to enforce the tyranny of the King. If, after all of this, you still defend the status quo, you deserve to live in a country such as North Korea, where you would undoubtedly feel at home with the totalitarian police-state surveillance grid that you seem to love so much. As for me, I will be tirelessly fighting for freedom and an end to the arbitrary usurpation of the inalienable human rights that are guaranteed by our Constitution.

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