Islamist protests hit cities across Egypt, at least 24 dead

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oxen wrote:

The army is simply incapable of dealing with democracy and independent minded leaders. The opposition made an epic mistake by failing to cooperate with Morsi pampered by the nefarious puppet army A allowed an army take over that literally killed their young democracy

Jul 04, 2013 12:13am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Invictuss wrote:

Arab spring was it lol….enjoy it :))))

Jul 05, 2013 1:34am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jkmphd wrote:

Too often, in democracies, political parties with religious underpinnings use the democratic process to undermine the very freedoms that democracy is designed to guarantee. An example we have seen repeatedly is where, once in power, religious parties act quickly to curtail the rights of women, and to institutionalize traditional gender roles that undermine women’s autonomy. In my opinion, everything I have read about suggests that this is exactly what happened in Egypt once the Freedom and Justice Party took power. It happened similarly in Iran. And it happened in Iraq. It has happened in the United States, when the Republican Party has gained control of State Houses in the South and Midwest and passed draconian restrictions on abortion. This underscores the importance of a strong constitution that establishes certain rights and freedoms (e.g. freedom of speech, equal tolerance of all religions, guarantees for equal rights for women) that no democratically elected government can take away, even after being voted in.

Jul 05, 2013 2:07am EDT  --  Report as abuse
OneOfTheSheep wrote:

“…Egyptians who opposed the military intervention…” are the least intelligent, affluent, educated or likely to contribute to a better Egypt. If they have “simmering resentment” that Egypt will not soon see it’s society return to twelfth century laws, production and standard of living, who of significance CARES?

Jul 05, 2013 2:32am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ALALAYIIIAAAA wrote:

i will make pop corn and i will watcht the arab spring in egypt.it has murders islamist terrorists rapes in tahrir square kidnapps of tourists in sina i mean ouaoua not even in hollywood movies

Jul 05, 2013 3:03am EDT  --  Report as abuse
elven_archer wrote:

@ oxen
Relax man I’m an Egyptian and the army did NOT kill our democracy. The army simply helped us impeach the idiot. He was blindly following orders from his mentor, enabling his other brotherhood figures and ignoring the nation’s needs. He ruined the separation of powers and went above the law (read David Rhode’s [Mursi's Folly]). He was clearly mad with control. The inferior social contract they cooked for us did not give us a viable mechanism to impeach him so we had to do it the hard way.
And get real, honestly!! NO ONE CAN KILL OUR DEMOCRACY. We have toppled three regimes in a row. We are clearly capable of protecting our rights.

Jul 05, 2013 4:36am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ALALAYIIIAAAA wrote:

ELVEN_ARCHER@ oxen is very anxious about egypt because as taxpayer pay his tribute to have you as friend and he wonders why.So because he can’t do anything else but paying,he has to say something insulting about egyptians,egyptian democracy etc.most probably he thinks that egypt is bordering with venezuela you know the usual american problem with geography.

Jul 05, 2013 4:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
lovemyfreedom wrote:

Why do we have to explain our revolution to the west? It’s the deteriorating poverty and supressed women in Egypt we need to answer to.

Jul 05, 2013 5:25am EDT  --  Report as abuse
lovemyfreedom wrote:

There is a big difference between being democratically elected and leading with democracy. Morsy benefited from one and defied the other. If you call that democracy in the west then dont critcise Egyptians for being more progressive.

Jul 05, 2013 5:37am EDT  --  Report as abuse
lex_70 wrote:

The conundrum….

On the one hand we have a democratically elected government being overthrown by a military coup…..

On the other we have a sad excuse for a ‘Statesman’ leading in a dictatorial, unrepresentative fashion, inciting and supporting terrorism, OPENLY calling for Jihad against the peoples of Syria.

Sadly, this man is not fit to lead.

The silly Muslim Brotherhood does not even know when they are being ‘PLAYED’.

They believe they have been given the ‘GREEN LIGHT’ to wreak havoc across the Middle East…… but the real plan is ‘GIVE EM ENOUGH ROPE’… that is of course after they have done all your dirty work.

‘Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me fifty times…………’

Jul 05, 2013 5:50am EDT  --  Report as abuse
DLNY wrote:

That the liberal press and the US government still can even plausibly say there was no coupe strains credibility to such an extent as to label their positions as total garbage. I don’t like Morsi or the Muslim Brotherhood either and the feeling is most definitely mutual, but this is an assinine move that were Bush to have undertaken in say Venezuela this very publication would have pilloried him ad nauseum for their thugish tactics and the air would infuse the air with the aroma of evil. This would have been rightly so… .

Where is your moral indignation now? It’s on the same shelf as your intellectual honesty.

Jul 05, 2013 6:55am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Philosophius wrote:

Oxen what?? “Their young democracy” ??
Any system that’s run by a religious sect is certainly no democracy. A true democracy recognizes the rights and protections of the minority. The politcal evolution in Egypt was quite clear and was most headed toward the persecution of such minorities.
In 1210 at Minerve in France members of the Cathar sect were herded into a courtyard and burned alive, their bodies flung outside the castle walls and covered with mud. All under the nodding approval of the majority Catholics.
Democracy in action.

Jul 05, 2013 7:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
FairObserver wrote:

I can’t believe the image portrait in the media & US about Egypt ignoring major facts that Mursi deceived the Egyptians and reversed every promise he made before the election. For more than 55 years the Muslim brotherhood have been promising fair and clean government without any corruption. However their history is full of political & religious assassination terrorism, causing a major fire in Cairo to assert their power. When the majority of Egyptian believed them in 2011 and their president was elected he did exactly the opposite of everything he promised. No wonder Egypt has witnessed the biggest demonstration in the history of the world in the last two days. Most of the community has been suffering badly under the Muslim brotherhood ‘Police, Judges, Muslim Christians’. The army didn’t suffer under Muslim Brotherhood and has nothing to gain from ousting him except gaining the trust of the majority of Egyptian.

Some commentator accuse the Muslim brotherhood to have stuck a secret deal with the US to let the Palestinian move to Sinai, no wonder Obama and UK are upset from loosing an ally who lied to his nation and caused harm in 1 year more than his predecessor in 30 years. The story doesn’t end there because Mursi was in prison during the Egyptian Revolution in 2011 and accuse Hamas to break the prison and free him among his 34 colleagues who were in the prison at that time and free the remained thousands of prisoner as well which cause kiosk & disruption to the country stability.

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FairObserver wrote:

I can’t believe the image portrait in the media & US about Egypt ignoring major facts that Mursi deceived the Egyptians and reversed every promise he made before the election. For more than 55 years the Muslim brotherhood have been promising fair and clean government without any corruption. However their history is full of political & religious assassination terrorism, causing a major fire in Cairo to assert their power. When the majority of Egyptian believed them in 2011 and their president was elected he did exactly the opposite of everything he promised. No wonder Egypt has witnessed the biggest demonstration in the history of the world in the last two days. Most of the community has been suffering badly under the Muslim brotherhood ‘Police, Judges, Muslim Christians’. The army didn’t suffer under Muslim Brotherhood and has nothing to gain from ousting him except gaining the trust of the majority of Egyptian.

Some commentator accuse the Muslim brotherhood to have stuck a secret deal with the US to let the Palestinian move to Sinai, no wonder Obama and UK are upset from loosing an ally who lied to his nation and caused harm in 1 year more than his predecessor in 30 years. The story doesn’t end there because Mursi was in prison during the Egyptian Revolution in 2011 and accuse Hamas to break the prison and free him among his 34 colleagues who were in the prison at that time and free the remained thousands of prisoner as well which cause kiosk & disruption to the country stability.

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FairObserver wrote:

I can’t believe the image portrait in the media & US about Egypt ignoring major facts that Mursi deceived the Egyptians and reversed every promise he made before the election. For more than 55 years the Muslim brotherhood have been promising fair and clean government without any corruption. However their history is full of political & religious assassination terrorism, causing a major fire in Cairo to assert their power. When the majority of Egyptian believed them in 2011 and their president was elected he did exactly the opposite of everything he promised. No wonder Egypt has witnessed the biggest demonstration in the history of the world in the last two days. Most of the community has been suffering badly under the Muslim brotherhood ‘Police, Judges, Muslim Christians’. The army didn’t suffer under Muslim Brotherhood and has nothing to gain from ousting him except gaining the trust of the majority of Egyptian.

Some commentator accuse the Muslim brotherhood to have stuck a secret deal with the US to let the Palestinian move to Sinai, no wonder Obama and UK are upset from loosing an ally who lied to his nation and caused harm in 1 year more than his predecessor in 30 years. The story doesn’t end there because Mursi was in prison during the Egyptian Revolution in 2011 and accuse Hamas to break the prison and free him among his 34 colleagues who were in the prison at that time and free the remained thousands of prisoner as well which cause kiosk & disruption to the country stability.

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FairObserver wrote:

Mursi deceived the Egyptians and reversed every promise he made before his election. For more than 55 years the Muslim brotherhood have been promising fair and clean government without any corruption. However their history is full of political & religious assassination terrorism, causing a major fire in Cairo to assert their power. When the majority of Egyptian believed them in 2011 and their president was elected he did exactly the opposite of everything he promised. No wonder Egypt has witnessed the biggest demonstration in the history of the world in the last two days. Most of the community has been suffering badly under the Muslim brotherhood ‘Police, Judges, Muslim Christians’. The army didn’t suffer under Muslim Brotherhood and has nothing to gain from ousting him except gaining the trust of the majority of Egyptian.
Some accuse the Muslim brotherhood to have stuck a secret deal with the US to let the Palestinian move to Sinai. Mursi lied to his nation and caused harm in 1 year more than his predecessor in 30 years. The story doesn’t end there because Mursi was in prison during the Egyptian Revolution in 2011 and some accuse Hamas to break in the prison and free him among his 34 colleagues who were there at that time and free the remaining thousands of prisoners which cause kiosk to the country stability.

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Fromkin wrote:

“Mursi’s political opponents insist there was no coup.Rather, the army heeded the “will of the people”

They are being cynical. The military coup played out in front of our very own eyes. I don’t support radical Islamists but a military coup should not be allowed in the 21st century. The will of the people can only be expressed in the ballot box.

Jul 05, 2013 8:29am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

@Eleven_archer

You are Egyptian but probably self interested. Morsi won democratic election hands down. The opposition should have waited only 3 years to vote him out. I never support Islamists and agre that they should have been confronted but a military coup was the wrong thing to do. Now Egypt will suffer even more in the hands of the generals than islamists’s.

Jul 05, 2013 8:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
reality-again wrote:

@Fromkin

The current events in Egypt can serve as a lesson to every dictator out there, including in your country, Iran. The Egyptian people got fed up with religious bigotry, restrictions on freedom, and mismanagement of the economy, and these problems are even more acute in Iran.

You wrote (quote): “The will of the people can only be expressed in the ballot box.” and you’re right about that, which is why your dictator Ali Khamenai is afraid of the voice of the people, and imposes severe restrictions on the way Iranians can vote, so they won’t kick him and his corrupt regime out of power, and put its corrupt leaders on trial.

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VultureTX wrote:

@fromkin
Egypt’s Coptics would argue otherwise since the military is not oppressing (kidnapping) them. Funny how you never mention those Egyptian Christians, I guess your phony US catholic persona slipped again.

/yes it was a coup, then again 2011 was a coup to, the military took sides then as well you might recall.

Jul 05, 2013 9:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
KaosHiker wrote:

Amazing how many People think an Elected Official can not be removed from office by the People.

Impeachment / Forced Resignation. It happens all the time in Numerous Countries.
That is Democracy in Action.

When The Army removed Mubarek it was a Rebellion.
Now when the People backed by the Army remove Mursi. its a Coup.

How about Syria where the Legitimate Government backed by the Army. and The Majority of Citizens. is battling an insurgent force attempting a Coup. But that is called a Rebel movement.

Funny how Islamic Radicals always claim they are the Victims.

When the real Victims are always the Moderate Muslims,Christians,and anyone else that does not accept their ridiculous rules.

Jul 05, 2013 10:34am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Dave7617 wrote:

Vermin control

Jul 05, 2013 10:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
PPhermit wrote:

Is it really the will of the people or is it a ten percent that has grouped together to take away an elected president. That could happen in the US with the Tea baggers who claims they are the will of the people but aren’t !

Jul 05, 2013 11:07am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

@reality

“The current events in Egypt can serve as a lesson to every dictator out there”

You are insane calling Morsi a dictator. That’s why you settlers do:falsely accusing and lying. The problem with Islamists in Egypt and Morsi was not dictatorship but fanaticism/radicalism like in your beloved Israel. Islamists are more like the loons running Israel than Iranian leaders. Aren’t those who rule Israel basing their power on biblical revelations and promises?

This regime-change game will never succeed in Iran. It was tried in 2009 and failed miserably. Regime changers were check mated during the 2013 election. They have also failed miserably in Syria.

Jul 05, 2013 11:16am EDT  --  Report as abuse
taytayo wrote:

The Egyptians have become very skilled at toppling governments, especially with the excellent support they receive from the military. And the military knows just when to intervene at all times. By the way, the military receives excellent funding and equipment from one foreign country. I rest my case.

Jul 05, 2013 11:17am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

Now you will see. The generals will go back to killing like in the old days of Mubarak. In fact what they did was to sacrifice Mubarak, retreat and stage a military coup. The power has never left their hands. I don’t support islamists but military coup is the worst prescription to solve religious fanaticism in Egypt.

Jul 05, 2013 11:23am EDT  --  Report as abuse

The voice of the few attempting to topple the many through violence and extremism.

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caligula41776 wrote:

now that the Egyptians are waking up and denouncing the cancer that is islam, hopefully they can become true Egyptians again and reclaim their history, culture and heritage. one can only hope the Persians follow suit.

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Jabloughme wrote:

“A true democracy recognizes the rights and protections of the minority”

Since when? A true democracy does no such thing. A republican form of government MAY recognize such rights, but only if it is ultimately limited by a constitution. Oh, and that constitution, it would have to actually be adhered to as well, in contrast to the US Constitution, for example. You can’t have special court systems operating outside the scope of the real court system, for instance, and unelected people making law in a manner inconsistent with the letter and the intent of the constitution and still expect anyone’s rights to be respected.

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JustaGalhere wrote:

So, the impassioned supporters of the MB are now going to protest the outing of their leader. My question is, with these very people who experienced the same as other citizens — more power outages, food prices going up, and long lines for gas — and witnessing that MB was enforcing Sharia law — what makes someone so impassioned to see the rising of a dictator? They show the koran in the hands of the protesters — what is it in their books that says the land should only be occupied by Muslims? I’m trying to understand how these extremists become convinced in what they do?

Jul 05, 2013 11:37am EDT  --  Report as abuse
MohameDraz wrote:

I am Egyption and I can assure that what happened in Egypt is a real revolution not a coup, more than 35 millions refuse the Morsi and asking for early election and express their request through peaceful ways like Tamarod but Morsi refused because he is actualy knows that Egyption people will never elect him again

Jul 05, 2013 11:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
allahbacon wrote:

Hilarious

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jklgogm wrote:

The more, the merrier. Kudos Egyptian military and eff the mb and their Sharia law!

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swanto wrote:

The recourse to violence,thuggery and murder undermine democracy.

The “revolutionaries” in Egypt have come to believe, not in democracy, but in government by demonstration. This hysterical misconception has been apparent since the liberal’s failure at the ballot box.

Those that deny that a coup, and claim that democracy can be grown out of military intervention are living in a dreamworld. Statements from the anti-Morsi crowd demonstrate clearly that they really do not understand what “democracy” means.

Democracy does not promise freedom or justice- it is simply a system by which voting establishes government. There is nothing in democracy that prevents the election of governments that suppress freedom and deny justice.

The guarantees that the “revolutionaries” seek in Egypt are not inherent in democracy but rather flow from the law- in most cases a constitution.

By extending the idea that law and constitutional guarantees can be overthrown through street demonstrations and mob rule is a step backward for the Egyptian people.

The so-called pro-democracy forces have now sold out their principles and celebrate their alliance with a military dictatorship.

Here in the USA, we should denounce this coup and all aid should be suspended until the rule of law reestablishes real democracy.

Anti-religious and anti-Islamic sentiments should be exposed for the bigotry that they are, and not be allowed to continue to masquerade as
liberal democracy.

Jul 05, 2013 1:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
swanto wrote:

The recourse to violence,thuggery and murder undermine democracy.

The “revolutionaries” in Egypt have come to believe, not in democracy, but in government by demonstration. This hysterical misconception has been apparent since the liberal’s failure at the ballot box.

Those that deny that a coup, and claim that democracy can be grown out of military intervention are living in a dreamworld. Statements from the anti-Morsi crowd demonstrate clearly that they really do not understand what “democracy” means.

Democracy does not promise freedom or justice- it is simply a system by which voting establishes government. There is nothing in democracy that prevents the election of governments that suppress freedom and deny justice.

The guarantees that the “revolutionaries” seek in Egypt are not inherent in democracy but rather flow from the law- in most cases a constitution.

By extending the idea that law and constitutional guarantees can be overthrown through street demonstrations and mob rule is a step backward for the Egyptian people.

The so-called pro-democracy forces have now sold out their principles and celebrate their alliance with a military dictatorship.

Here in the USA, we should denounce this coup and all aid should be suspended until the rule of law reestablishes real democracy.

Anti-religious and anti-Islamic sentiments should be exposed for the bigotry that they are, and not be allowed to continue to masquerade as
liberal democracy.

Jul 05, 2013 1:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
swanto wrote:

The recourse to violence,thuggery and murder undermine democracy.

The “revolutionaries” in Egypt have come to believe, not in democracy, but in government by demonstration. This hysterical misconception has been apparent since the liberal’s failure at the ballot box.

Those that deny that a coup, and claim that democracy can be grown out of military intervention are living in a dreamworld. Statements from the anti-Morsi crowd demonstrate clearly that they really do not understand what “democracy” means.

Democracy does not promise freedom or justice- it is simply a system by which voting establishes government. There is nothing in democracy that prevents the election of governments that suppress freedom and deny justice.

The guarantees that the “revolutionaries” seek in Egypt are not inherent in democracy but rather flow from the law- in most cases a constitution.

By extending the idea that law and constitutional guarantees can be overthrown through street demonstrations and mob rule is a step backward for the Egyptian people.

The so-called pro-democracy forces have now sold out their principles and celebrate their alliance with a military dictatorship.

Here in the USA, we should denounce this coup and all aid should be suspended until the rule of law reestablishes real democracy.

Anti-religious and anti-Islamic sentiments should be exposed for the bigotry that they are, and not be allowed to continue to masquerade as
liberal democracy.

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mark77 wrote:

Morsi was not par tof a young democracy. He was part of an attempted totalitarian islamic fascist takeover of Egypt. Pay attention lest you be fooled by a culpable western media.

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mark77 wrote:

Morsi was not part of a young democracy. He was part of an attempted totalitarian islamic fascist takeover of Egypt. Pay attention lest you be fooled by a culpable western media.

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mark77 wrote:

Morsi was not part of a young democracy. He was part of an attempted totalitarian islamic fascist takeover of Egypt. Pay attention lest you be fooled by a culpable western media.

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mark77 wrote:

Morsi was not part of a young democracy. He was part of an attempted totalitarian islamic fascist takeover of Egypt. Pay attention lest you be fooled by a culpable western media.

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crisis1290 wrote:

this is not democracy and it never was. yes they had elections, but the people were intimidated with direct and indirect threats.

as expected, tyrants use the hope of real democracy to get their foot in the door, then go down the path of the typical tyrant dirt bags.

note to drone operators. you have a nice gathering of radicalized fanatics. make a shrp turn and blast them to allah.

the world will be a better place with out radicalized islam.

Jul 05, 2013 2:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
worldscan wrote:

The Egyptian army’s biggest problem is that they didn’t hire a New York PR company that would have presented the coup as an “IMPEACHMENT”, a democratic process Western Societies approve of.

Jul 05, 2013 2:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Splitter226 wrote:

Some of the photos suggest that many of the protesters are dancing the Egyptian Shumba!
Rock ‘n’ Roll Lives!

Jul 05, 2013 3:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

Legally Morsi is still the Egyptian president. What is he being held for? What crime did he commit? Western leaders have lost their minds spying and encouraging coups. This was not the best was to deal with Islamists problem. Now things will go from bad to worse.

Jul 05, 2013 4:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
urall5150 wrote:

In a successful democracy you have to allow those you disagree with to voice their opinion without fear. All of you fail to understand this. I can’t stand what half or more people think half the time. I do force myself to remember that this is the true price of a sustained democracy.

The extremists hijack democracy with the intention of forcing their will upon all….either sooner or later. This is why they must be stopped at all costs. But most of you are too fat and happy to think on your own.

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oxen wrote:

After deposing a democratic govt by use army and Mobs, it is so sad for Egypt and unfortunately seems there is no other way but for democratic minded Egyptians to resist the army tyranny and manipulation. The coup was uncalled for. Despite the heavy armor of the military people will can still win. What happened here is that the army sided with losers of last election who came in a mob-49% to steal power from Morsi and his supporters-51%. That is unacceptable and the usurping of power is illegal

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oxen wrote:

@elven_archer “the army helped us…”, “we have removed three regimes in a row….” that is some of what you say” Now who is fooling who? If you are capable, then why call the army to impeach Morsi for you? In US this is done in congress and in a backward nations like Egypt, it is the gun trotting so called generals that impeach for you!

Jul 05, 2013 4:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

The Brotherhood had ties to Nazi Germany.. Want the world and Egypt to live under sharia law..where lawlessness and woman’s freedoms will not exist.. Not a democratic organization.. Need to eliminate them from Egyptian society if Egypt is to ever be a democratic nation with freedom for ALL their people.

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VultureTX wrote:

@fromkin lied “Now you will see. The generals will go back to killing like in the old days of Mubarak.”

please cite these “killings”, because last I checked Mubarak had police do that not the military. And as for killing s we can document, how about those Coptic Christians dying due to MB and their allies?

/you know those christians your posts have yet to acknowledge , Coptics you can the word Fromkin even if you are a Iranian Shiite plant.

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ofilha wrote:

The Brotherhood attempted to turn Egypt into a theocratic state and ignored the fact that there is an opposition that must be considered and allowed to participate. Instead, as typical of young democracies, the winning party misunderstood a majority for a mandate by all the people and did its best to manipulate the system into a one party theocratic state.
This should be a warning to Americans who allow religion to take over politics and become absolutists.

Jul 05, 2013 6:48pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
marwan123 wrote:

We Egyptians want to be a fabric one, but there are people from troublemakers strife does not want peace to Egypt, Friday, supporters of President Anchorage former were not peaceful and Assaulted on demonstrators peaceful in places demonstrating and got used Knowing gun and Assaulted the police and all these led movement Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, and all this terror to the people of Egypt and U.S. President Obama pressed his part on the Egyptian administration in order to Anchorage due to the office and this is impossible

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ofilha wrote:

Look at what is going on in our own congress. Bickering, one party listening and taking orders from religious bigots, trying to impose their morality on the rest of society, trying to manipulate the vote and stack judges who follow the party line. What is our excuse? We are not a young democracy!

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ofilha wrote:

Look at what is going on in our own congress. Bickering, one party listening and taking orders from religious bigots, trying to impose their morality on the rest of society, trying to manipulate the vote and stack judges who follow the party line. What is our excuse? We are not a young democracy!

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Yaqeen wrote:

The military coup leads us to chaos. There were millions of people in the pro Morsi demonstrations today and not all of them were Islamists or even pro Morsi. Some people want to protect democracy in people and protect the first elected president in Egypt.

Jul 05, 2013 7:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Doc62 wrote:

Let’s stay out of Egypt. We are paying for their army, who has done a good job “walking the line” since the Arab Spring.
Give the Sinai back to Israel, which they gave back to Egypt after the Yom Kippur War in 1973. Remember? Sadat & Assad waited for the Jews to put on sackcloth, ashes, fast and pray AND cowardly attacked. Even though outnumbered, the IDF “took care of business”, quickly.
Love this: All Egypt’s brand new Russian tanks and heavy armor died in the Sinai(sand-duh!). After occupation, Israel loaded them onto semis, put in new engines and sold$ them abroad. Nuk,nuk!

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mauricio0595 wrote:

If we promote replacing dictators with democratically elected leaders, just because we don’t like the guy the population elected or their harsh religious views, we cannot support a military overthrow. That is hypocrisy 101.

Jul 05, 2013 7:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Only 17??? it takes a thousand bees to kill a man…

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IslamBlows wrote:

It’s becoming increasingly clear that the geographic center of “radical” islam is right there in Afghanistan and probably Pakistan.

Here we have Egyptians are fighting Egyptians, but the Afghans are out there chanting “down down Israel”, and “down down America”.

It’s almost as if they’re painting a “Drop Nuke Here” sign on themselves.

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Lowell_Thinks wrote:

Where is the Nobel Peace Prize winner who vowed to “hit reset” with the Muslim world?

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BurnerJack wrote:

While I can certainly concur with FairObserver, the fact that the Military has disposed an elected leader is in fact a coup. No theocracy can support democracy as they are diametrically opposed. If the MB ‘stole’ the election, the time to acr on that was THEN. That being said, I for one am glad the MB is out, although using the Military and not the voting booth is a bit troubling.
@jkmphd: I can’t believe you are SO self absorbed as to view the events in Egypt to promote your own personal draconian agenda. Yes, draconian, after all what could be more draconian than killing children for mere convenience? Stalin,Hitler, Pol Pot, Kim, all famous for committing and sanctioning millions upon millions of”post term” abortions. Murder before or after birth is STILL murder.

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SKYDRIFTER wrote:

If the potential consequences were not so dire, It would almost sound like: “Mommy! Mommy! Billy hit me back. It’s not fair.”

Here’s hoping that this doesn’t turn into a sectarian variant of Syria. If either sectarian side gets its hands on any significant weaponry, this could get way out of control – quickly.

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can8man wrote:

How can they say there has been no coup? The military just deposed a sitting elected president.

Jul 05, 2013 8:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
VultureTX wrote:

@skydrifter

And that is the US trained Egyptian military is so much the limiting factor. No one is allowed to go terrorist, or their side gets “arrested”.

Jul 05, 2013 9:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Amrstockbiz wrote:

What is happening in Egypt is not a COUP, what is happening in Egypt is the revolt of 33 million Egyptians who have been in streets for days demanding for the fall of the fascism rule of the terrorist secret society “Muslims Brotherhood”!

Jul 05, 2013 9:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
I_Am_Eric wrote:

Stop killing each other

Jul 05, 2013 10:19pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
React wrote:

This wouldn’t be a sectarian fight because both sides are majority Sunni. This will be an ideological fight between hard liners and moderates, a fight that does need to happen within the Middle East, preferably through democratic procedures and not militarily.

Jul 05, 2013 10:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Reuters1945 wrote:

As always there is an abundance of comments reflecting both interesting and/or well defended viewpoints and opinions.

It should be borne in mind at all times that life is never as simple as we might wish it to be.

It is always a futile effort to attempt to reduce such situations down to Black and White, and consisting of totally “good” guys and totally “bad” guys.

Any time one makes that mistake, he/she opens the door for someone with an opposing view to make a strong counter argument.

The comments published so far inspired me to reread the key Historical Documents that pertain to the United States of America.

These included the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution which I had not revisited for several decades.

I had almost forgotten just how amazing were the texts of these documents, so painstakingly crafted and signed by all the Founding Fathers of America.

I was even inspired to order facsimile reproductions on Parchment.
http://store.ushistory.org/

There is such an abundance of genuine true Wisdom reflected in these two hundred year old Documents including what Rights a people possess to throw off the yoke of what they perceive to be any form/s of Tyranny or usurpation of all reasonable Human Rights to live freely and happily.

To those who say the answer and the solution to the many urgent and real grievances of millions of Egyptians was to be found in the Ballot box I would respond as follows.

Sometimes in life we must react and respond to situations in a timely fashion and not insist on adhering to strictly pre-ordained guidelines, even when set down in something so sacred as a nation’s Constitution.

What the people of Egypt got when they voted for Mursi and the Muslim Brotherhood did not turn out to be even roughly what they had expected.

One might go as far as to claim, and not without good cause, that what the American people got when they voted for Obama and the Democratic Party has turned out to be something quite different from what was expected.

All the talk about “Hope” and “Change” and a new level of honesty, accountability and “Transparency” in government and the Rule of Law, turned out to be so much hot air and “more of the same old/same old”.

In fact, as things turned out, either Mr. Obama knew all along he did not intend to deliver on what he promised.

Or even more worrisome, Mr. Obama did honestly intend to deliver on promises made but as it turned out, there are forces behind the scenes in America which are far stronger than even the President of the United States, who call the “shots” and make the big decisions and not the duly elected American President.

Either way America is saddled with some seriously bad times ahead which will continue for the next three years. Not that I have any great hopes, and/or illusions at this point in time, that the next Presidential election will offer up any viable alternative solutions for reasons too obvious to require explanation.

That said, the situation facing the Egyptian people was becoming so drastically serious and negative on every possible level that the idea of waiting to find some solution at the Ballot box three years down the road, was fast becoming a “non starter”.

Indeed, the growing unemployment, increasing sectarian violence and nation wide discontent and growing economic nightmares were all on such a gargantuan level that what the world just witnessed was literally a foregone conclusion.

It may well be that there was no other more sane solution to the mounting crisis after millions had expressed their feelings, but for the Military to intercede to prevent Egypt from becoming another Syria with one hundred thousand dead and counting.

It is of course the greatest of ironies that the Egyptian military, which may well have kept a lid on total chaos, is American supported, while not far away, in Syria, the US is working with and arming well known terrorists, even barbaric cannibals, to topple a government and destroy its Military forces. Go figure that one out !

Thus, the US would replace a clearly not very nice government with something a good deal worse. One need only observe who are the partners in the Gulf, in this US goal of Syrian “Regime change” to fully understand just how twisted and sick the entire situation appears to be.

The Middle East is the great game board on which the world powers play out their never ending schemes and dastardly machinations whilst millions of innocent people suffer and die. The ordinary people, just trying to survive from one day to the next, are the real Pawns in this grand nightmare Chess game.

In some ways one might see echoes of the French Revolution in what has just come to pass in Egypt. Alas, we all know how quickly that Revolution descended into the Reign of Terror and “Madame Guillotine”.

For the moment, it is both childish, and in fact rather naïve, to see the recent events in Egypt as a “Coups”. Given all the possible ramifications of a nation about to burst apart at the seams, the intervention of the Army was likely the most sensible, logical and indeed only viable solution if far greater tragedy and mass bloodshed was to be avoided, at least in the immediate future.

Of course the very idea of “People Power” in most Western nations, is fast becoming a “virtual” (pun intended) impossibility, considering what we have learned from a man presently calling the Russian airport his home.

One may like him or not but there is much to be learned from what he has revealed about our present world and who really pulls the strings of power. And it is less and less the person who votes at the Ballot box.

I wish all the best for the ancient people of Egypt.

Jul 05, 2013 11:16pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

Where is the Arab League? Why is it not calling for a meeting over this military coup against a democratically elected president? Why is it not suspending Egypt like the African Union did? Arab puppets only make noise when their masters order them to.

The US silence over this coup is deafening. What did the MB do to the US? The media are not telling us what’s really went on. Qatar’s Emir and the prime minister have been ousted. Qatar’s prime minister has even been removed from managing Qatar’s huge sovereign fund. Qatar gave Morsi 8 billion which made Morsi reject IMF’s 4 billion aid for Egypt to adopt its austerity program.

Erdogan is not barking anymore. Egypt’s president is overthrown. Something serious went on between the West and the MB.

Jul 05, 2013 11:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
lex_70 wrote:

@Vulture TX

“ I am a zionist,”
“ I have no problem helping militant muslims killing militant muslims”

Matey, no one really considers the rantings of a self confessed, Zionist, bigot and hate monger as holding much weight… let’s face it, none of it changes… and no matter what the religion, you cannot debate an extremist like yourself.

Have a good life, and please do not bother to direct any further posts to myself… I have no further interest in your extremist views.

Jul 05, 2013 11:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
VultureTX wrote:

@LEX
SAYS THE 9/11 TRUTHER.

/no I will be happy if you never reply . Let’s face it, you’re the one who is an anti semite.
I just hate a religion that issued a fatwa against me. guess which one wins in a court of law for a charge of self -defense?

Jul 05, 2013 12:48am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Crash866 wrote:

Ahhh…the Arab Spring…brought to you by Social Media and Facebook…brought to world by a Western Jew…

Jul 06, 2013 1:04am EDT  --  Report as abuse

The Western democracy (Christianity and sh*t) does not approve of the Eastern Democracy (Islam and sh*t)…

Jul 06, 2013 2:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BaiJiuUSA wrote:

@vulture TX

zionism – beliefs that once again refer to a person being more righteous than another. ” We deserve this land (isreal) and will do anything for it.”

this is a load of crap that was developed when religion was the only thing that mattered in this world

Open your mind… we live in the 21st century. i can be at your doorstep in 20 hours, take everything you have away from you and leave before you can say a word. Why do you feel that you deserve that land? your ancestors ancestors came from there? well, if that is true then so did mine. get off my land.

quit using your religion to limit how you view the world. open your mind.

Jul 06, 2013 3:38am EDT  --  Report as abuse
markneil wrote:

this could get really ugly. the MB has been waiting decades and decades to take power. they are not, in my opinion, going to go quietly into that good night. I would love to see a secular government created, but who knows what will happen?

Jul 06, 2013 3:55am EDT  --  Report as abuse
markneil wrote:

jkmphd…you’re comments are wrong on so many levels. after three months, support for abortion drops below 50 percent. the issue of women’s rights is one of so many problems in Egypt, but what did you expect in a country where the dominant religion give women no rights. Women can’t hold office etc. comparing Egypt’s women’s rights to those in America is nonsensical as the united states is light years ahead, and the republican presidents were the first to put a woman in the position of secretary of state and supreme court justice. study up next time

Jul 06, 2013 4:00am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:

Millions demonstrate peacefully against the Muslim Brothers. Now that they are the ones demonstrating – they immediately turn to violence.

Sorry tens of thousands of brothers from another mother – millions do not want you around. Get peaceful or get out and go join your angry brothers in the hills of Pakistan. Your toxic rage needs a release since the demons have invaded your minds. You are zombies of the worst kind.

Jul 06, 2013 5:01am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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