Opponents of Texas abortion restrictions rally at Capitol

Texas is backward. What is has going for it is jobs (mostly low wage), and a low cost of living. But, the standard/quality of living is low, and compared to most states there’s not much to do here. It is not very progressive at all. The politics at the state level have been hijacked by the well-moneyed Christian conservatives and Tea Party types. Personal liberty? Only if you think like they do.

Rick Perry is also quoted as saying (I’m paraphrasing) that “The louder their screams, the more we know we’re doing something right.” And that she didn’t know anything from being a mother? She sure knows a hell of a lot more than he does, seeing as she is a woman and this is her business, not his. And then to get all catty and passive aggressive? He is not fit to be a Governor if, one, he doesn’t listen to the people, and two, he openly mocks his colleagues and constituents.

As a woman scraping by in the dump known as Texas it’s infuriating to have sexist Christian bigots attacking your human and civil rights by trying to pass their own Sharia laws when we have rampant illegal immigration, under employed highly educated graduates, wage depression, an insanely high cost of living, and no access to healthcare for women. Our country looks more like the Middle East every day. I suppose when I apply for jobs out of state I can tell them I live in the “Middle West”. My friends starting calling Perry an Imam and I can’t argue with such a fitting label!

Republicans claim they care about jobs and equal rights for women, but they spend all of their time on anti-abortion and anti-equality legislation. Texas is especially hypocritical. They do not support providing birth control to the poor. They do not support allowing a woman to abort regardless of her circumstances. They do not support education, housing, food, or medical care for the poor. But they will happily imprison the product of their mercy and later execute it.

The Regressives, like to call themselves Progressives. They vehemently fight against the death penalty for murderers, yet march to kill the innocent unborn. They scream to protect the life of animals. To keep dogs from being abused and horses from slaughter. Yet they are deaf to the cries of the unborn as they are being disected and butchered by so called doctors. They preach the rights and equality of women while the atrocities against of the unborn has no equal. The dumbest of animals fight to protect their young. While those that believe themselves to be the more intelligent fight to kill their next generation their own flesh and blood They think it a terible crime that an innocent person might receive the death penalty. Yet they find nothing wrong in condemning the most innocent person on the planet to death. The one they are carrying who deserves their mother’s protection. If a woman in demmanding control of her own body WOULD control her own body unwanted pregnancies would be very minimal and this ghastly bloody butchering would cease.

A human life is lost every time an abortion is performed. Restricting that procedure just makes it a little harder to take another human life. Texas still allows abortion up to 20 weeks so quit exaggerating the law. You can still have unprotected sex and then let the state pay for your mistake so you can terminate another human life. Don’t worry.

All of America saw who Rick Perry was during the Presidential debates and he is just sadly unqualifed to be in any office, much less one that affects Americans daily. These right to life, anti gay anti immigration nutties routinely get elected on those three no matter how inept they really are and it is an embarrassment to the whole of America.

What’s the unemployment rate in Texas and they are worrying about this. I’m sooo sick of hearing about how backwards type-A people would like to waste the public’s time. Seriously, are you having too much fun electrocuting prisoners you don’t want to bother with the unborn. You guys are humans with the intellect of monkeys.

Thanks to Republican lawmakers in Texas, Independence Day will now officially become a meaningless farce.

A restriction on abortions after the First Trimester plus eight weeks? Sounds reasonable to me. Although, it does seem that the law would have to have latitude for exceptions, as in the fairly rare but not uncommon situation where the life of the mother is in jeopardy if she carries the fetus to full term.

If you don’t like Texas, then leave! There are 49 other states that you can whine about.

Republicans haven’t learned anything it seems from this past presidential election.
Alienating gays, not allowing marriage equality.
Alienating women, by legislating decisions that have to do with their bodies.
Alienating immigrants, by nixing the immigration deal (which it will be in the house).
Alienating the younger generation, by catering to the deeply religious part of their constituency.

I don’t understand why people think it is their business what another woman (YOU DONT KNOW) does? How is it your concern that this woman is getting an abortion and moreover who are you to tell her she can’t? Well here is a solution. All of you who are for preventing a woman from getting an abortion should be forced to register and all of YOU should be assessed a special tax whose proceeds would be used to care for children who otherwise would have been aborted. I bet if we did that, you people with your nasty noses in everyone else’s business would fade into the shadows wouldn’t you?

@Kingskid & Politics2013 — if schools could teach sex education and provide birth control there would be fewer unwanted babies. But no the Christian right knuckle draggers consider that immoral.

Its a personal choice what a woman wants to do with her body and unborn…that was determined by the Supreme Court, but you right wing nuts keep throwing up road blocks….go mind you own business and remember, its about choice….

20 weeks is enough time to decide whether or not to have an abortion, true – but this would ALSO ban abortions even in the case of miscarriages or in emergency situations when the mother’s life is endangered. Knowing that, as well as their recent celebration of executing a record number of inmates (who knows how many innocent?), I have to ask these Texas tea baggers – is this REALLY about “protecting sacred life”, or is it just another way to punish those who don’t strictly adhere to your religion?

Birth control pills are the most reliable form of pregnancy prevention for women, but the pharmaceutical companies make billions of dollars every year for birth control pills. Think of all the pregnancies that would be prevented if birth control pills were sold over-the-counter. Think of all the Republican politicians whose campaigns are beneficiaries of sizable contributions.

Also, the state of Texas is trying to save money by closing clinics. Trust me, if there were a way Texas could SAVE money by opening more clinics, they’d be in every shopping mall.

This isn’t about women and children – this is about money – and in their bargain, they’re alienating women and many men. Voters. Large blocks of voters. Morons.

A human life is lost every time a person is executed on Texas’ death row, or get’s behind the wheel of one of those ‘texas edition’ pickup trucks drunk and broadsides a car and kills everyone inside (which happens several times a week in Texas), or operates one of the hundreds of oil processing facilities in Texas that operates without environmental regulation, or any of the other occupational hazards that pass for substandard work in the lone star state…

but a woman’s body is all of the tissue therein and is hers to control, it does not belong to the government (or to a group of entitled white men in the Texas state house).

these anti-abortion laws display the hypocrisy of those who otherwise claim that government should not intervene with individual health decisions. they have a long list of exceptions, for which they demand prison or death…

I find it interesting that the press has chosen to negatively frame this bill as anti-abortion. If you actually look at what the bill does and get past the rhetoric of those who don’t care about women you would see that it is almost opposite of what is portrayed.

The primary purpose of the bill is to raise the standards of care in abortion clinics. It also requires physicians to have admitting privileges at a hospital close by. There are numerous stories of women whose abortion didn’t go smoothly. Some being sent home while still experiencing severe bleeding. If opponents really cared about women’s health as much as they say they do they would support these requirements. Clinics have a choice. They don’t have to close, simply upgrade their standard of care. A good thing for women. And if they do have to close because they choose to no longer offer abortions that tells me that they are primarily an abortion clinic and any ‘health care’ that was provided was very little and not really relevant to their operation. More of a cover to try and give legitimacy to what they are doing.

What gets most of the attention is the banning of abortions after 20 weeks. This is over halfway (5 months) into a pregnancy. A woman has had a long time to get an abortion by this time if she wants to.

The 20 weeks mark comes from research that shows the baby feels pain at this point in the pregnancy. Some who support abortion dispute this research. I find it funny that those same people will use disputed climate change research to push their environmental legislation on the country but ignore scientific research in the case of a living person.

It seems to me that if liberals and Democrats were so concerned about women and the weak and oppressed as they claim to be they would without question be on the side of protecting the unborn. The weakest and most vulnerable in our society. Instead, they appear to take the position that society should be allowed to kill the unborn at any time for convenience. And for Democrats, it seems to be the centerpiece of their party.

@USofRationality
From the bill ” this Act does not apply to abortions that are necessary to avert the death or substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman.”
You could have chosen to educate yourself, but I suppose it’s easier to throw out untrue statements and name call.

@USofRationality – You are wrong. There is a specific exception for the health of the mother. Please do not spread FUD.

From the bill:
“(4) restricting elective abortions at or later than 20 weeks post-fertilization, as provided by this Act, does not impose an undue burden or a substantial obstacle on a woman’s ability to have an abortion because:
(A) the woman has adequate time to decide whether to have an abortion in the first 20 weeks after fertilization; and
(B) this Act does not apply to abortions that are necessary to avert the death or substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman or abortions that are performed on unborn children with severe fetal abnormalities.”

Texas GOP message to women…’We want the goverment out of the business of regulating, unless it has to do with control of your own bodies. We know better then you on what you should be doing with your own bodies, trust us it is for your best (wink)’

@Libertas, The Supreme Court has pretty much guaranteed that abortions are accept up to 24-weeks. One of the reason for this is some birth defects or fetus development problems might not show up until this time frame. Test for Downs Syndrome might not be determined in test until week 20-21 and results might take three weeks to get the results back.

Many abortions happen relatively early and are a simple procedure with low risk, the hospital requirements is over kill. A qualified doctor should be able to handle most problems.

It is just another way to slow or stop abortions by restricting access. A fetus is not a person, just a potential person. A woman or couple should be able to decide what is best for them, not the state.

I can tell you from personal experience, how difficult this can be. I have a genetic blood disorder, it comes in two favors, minor and major. Our first child like me, inherited the minor, other than being anemic all life long. It is something you can live with. Test showed our second child would have the major type, which is extremely serious and carries a high risk of death at a early age plus constant hospital care. This is back in the 80′s in Texas, without health insurance. We had no choice but to terminate.

Today, our son, will be able to see if his future wife also carries a gene that can pass this along and they can decide to have children or not based on those results.

People need choices, there are many reasons why people chose to abort their unborn, most the time it not because the child is unwanted.

Kingskid: “… march to kill the innocent unborn” Hyperbolize much? We just feel that the decision should be the mother’s and not government’s. I believe the soul doesn’t enter the body until the fetus is developed enough to be born and to live on its own. That’s part of my religious belief. But since we can’t prove that and since there is a separation of church and state, we can’t ban abortions and we should leave it up to the mothers.

What bother’s me about the positions held by people like yourself is that you want to take this right away from women and force them to have children they don’t want, are not prepared for, or can’t afford, but are totally against spending money to assist the infant and mother after the mother gives birth. Why do people like you stop caring about a life once it’s born? You don’t want to increase assistance for these babies. You’d prefer to end it all together. It’s grossly illogical and hypocritical.

Gov. Perry represents a small, vocal (and voting) large minority in Texas–the fundamental right. However, Texas is full of diverse, independent, progressive thinkers (see the thousands protesting in its capital). Anyone familiar with Texas politics knows that Perry is NOT popular among Texans (e.g., I tend to vote Rep, but I assure you I’ve never voted for Perry). Indeed, most Texans were embarrassed when he chose to run for national office–he doesn’t represent our values.

Also, in response to @Ultramayan, no, you are mistaken about the economic status of Texas. The quality of living is very high, and no, most new jobs created in this state are private, high-wage earning positions. See, e.g., http://www.cnbc.com/id/100013910. As to your later comment on “personal liberty,” this is precisely why Perry is unpopular among most Texans born after Vietnam.

libertus: “The primary purpose of the bill is to raise the standards of care in abortion clinics.”

Come on. Don’t play dumb. Do you seriously think that Rick Perry and all the abortion rights opponents have suddenly decided to put aside their endless attempts to end abortion rights and fight to get a bill passed that is primarily to protect the health of the mothers getting abortions? We already know Perry is not interested in the public’s health. He’s refusing to implement the Affordable Care Act and he’s sure not doing anything to make healthcare more affordable in Texas. So why would he suddenly start caring about the health of women seeking an abortion? Please. No thinking person believes that.

Put aside the propaganda rhetoric for a minute and just look at the bill’s results. Most abortion clinics would necessarily have to shut down. That makes it much harder, if not impossible, for many needing an abortion. It will force them to perform abortions themselves or in back alleys. We know this because we’ve already been through that. That sure won’t protect the health of mothers seeking to have an abortion. Let’s discuss this in realistic terms, shall we? Enough with the malarkey.

Gov. Perry represents a small, vocal (and voting) large minority in Texas–the fundamental right. However, Texas is full of diverse, independent, progressive thinkers (see the thousands protesting in its capital). Anyone familiar with Texas politics knows that Perry is NOT popular among Texans (e.g., I tend to vote Rep, but I assure you I’ve never voted for Perry). Indeed, most Texans were embarrassed when he chose to run for national office–he doesn’t represent our values.

Also, in response to @Ultramayan, no, you are mistaken about the economic status of Texas. The quality of living is very high, and no, most new jobs created in this state are private, high-wage earning positions. See, e.g., http://www.cnbc.com/id/100013910. As to your later comment on “personal liberty,” this is precisely why Perry is unpopular among most Texans born after Vietnam.

This bill is classicist too. Don’t forget. The uninsured and under-insured, living paycheck to paycheck, who are least likely to be able to afford a child will be unlikely to afford to visit yet another doctor before the 20 weeks runs its course.

*classist

Kingskid – I think your post was brilliant and I would like to re-post it for all of those low-education, non-christian readers out there:

The Regressives, like to call themselves Progressives. They vehemently fight against the death penalty for murderers, yet march to kill the innocent unborn. They scream to protect the life of animals. To keep dogs from being abused and horses from slaughter. Yet they are deaf to the cries of the unborn as they are being disected and butchered by so called doctors. They preach the rights and equality of women while the atrocities against of the unborn has no equal. The dumbest of animals fight to protect their young. While those that believe themselves to be the more intelligent fight to kill their next generation their own flesh and blood They think it a terible crime that an innocent person might receive the death penalty. Yet they find nothing wrong in condemning the most innocent person on the planet to death. The one they are carrying who deserves their mother’s protection. If a woman in demmanding control of her own body WOULD control her own body unwanted pregnancies would be very minimal and this ghastly bloody butchering would cease.

@libertas wrote:
“The 20 weeks mark comes from research that shows the baby feels pain at this point in the pregnancy. Some who support abortion dispute this research.”

I think those who dispute your non-cited “research” research only do so because they are educated. According to the Journal of the American Medical Association, the GENERAL MEDICAL CONSENSUS is that fetuses don’t begin to form thalamocortical connections, i.e. the part of the brain that recognizes pain, until after 23 weeks. The same article also concludes a fetus wouldn’t truly feel pain until 29 or 30 weeks. And since this is actual research, not the psuedo-science you presented, I can easily provide the link below [1] to back it up and show that it comes from the general medical community. Would you care to do the same for your “research”?

[1] http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=201429

It’s really frustrating how Democrats chide Republicans for setting a 20 week threshold (which is probably appropriate IMO), yet they refuse to articulate a better threshold themselves.

Assuming you don’t believe an abortion should be allowed up to the day before delivery, I’d love to hear Democrats opine on where the threshold should be set instead of saying that the 20 week legislation means the GOP “hate women”.

@jaham
Most Democrats would say 24 weeks, except in cases where the mother’s health is at risk. That’s the state law in many states and most Democrats seem happy with them. They, and informed independents such as myself, can also tell when an idiot governor trying to pass off anti-abortion legislature as being in the interests of women.

I mean, seriously, you could have had the “24 weeks” answer with a simple Google search! C’mon, man!

RexMax46: Thank you for your well-informed and documented posts. You saved me the trouble and did a better job than I could have done.

I find it particularly disturbing the Gov. Perry and the Texas conservatives backing this legislation are going full throttle with the propaganda spin that their political professionals recommended, drawn from their research, and are labeling this legislation as an attempt to protect women’s health. It’s absurd. It might not be so bad if they had a track record record of showing genuine concern for the public’s health, backed by legislative action, but they don’t. To the contrary, they’re more interested in cutting taxes for the wealthy and eliminating regulations for well-funded industries than seeking ways to offer access to affordable healthcare. In fact, Perry says that he won’t participate in the Affordable Care Act. So he’d actually rather turn down money from the federal government and prevent the working class and poor from having affordable healthcare than to do anything to address the healthcare problem in Texas. He’s got a great healthcare plan, so he’s not worried about anyone’s healthcare.

In short, this legislation has nothing to do with protecting women’s health.

People seem to be fixated on the 20 vs 24 week thing. IMO that is not the biggest problem with this bill. It is simply a smoke screen for the other requirments that would effectivly close many clinics where women are able to exercise their infromed right to choice. In effect this bill is asking more of the requirments of the doctors that perfrom this MINOR procedures. But I bet they are not requiring the same for other doctors that perform other equally minor procedures in their offices, e.g. vasecotmies (spelling?).

To repeat flashroosters opinion, of which I share ‘In short, this legislation has nothing to do with protecting women’s health’

@RexMax46 you have to excuse Jaham, one of our Tea Bag regulars. If it is not on Faux News, or quoted by Glenn Beck or old Rush, then its not true according to him, Google is for left wingers..

I don’t have a major issue with the 20 week limit, it’s the other parts of the legislation in a state where a doctor that performs abortions has a very hard time getting admitting priveleges in a hospital. The aim of this legistlation is pure and simple to shut down as many abortion clinics as they believe they can get away with without running afoul of constitutional issues.

Perry and the right wing Christians are the Taliban of the U.S. Demean and control women is all they know. What a pathetic state.

Any woman that thinks it is acceptable to kill an unborn baby which is highly developed at 20 weeks is a sick creature. It’s murder as 19 weeks is the youngest to be born and survive.

The repuke dunce party is against government regulations until it affects them. Then they want all of the regulations that they can get.
We must stop the Taliban Christians in this country from trying to impose their biblical fairy tale beliefs on others.

The Taliban Christians trying to impose their own Sharia law on others. Regulations are no good they say-until they want their biblical fairy regultaions placed on others.

Must… impose… belief… system… on… others!

Hey America, roll back woman’s rights to vote too, then their right to drive, then their right to go out without a man escorting them, then their right to wear what they want. USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

I love Texas. I just wish the powers that be would find a better use for their time than to chase after half the population telling them what to do with their bodies. If men could get pregnant this debate would never happen.

Perry and Kaisch what a pair. Bevis and Butthead ??? This what you get putting religious zealots in positions of political power. Doesn’t hurt that they are both toadies for the Koch brothers

kiwibird: “…as 19 weeks is the youngest to be born and survive.”

Not w/o machines. Here’s the point. No one is saying that you can’t hold that view. No one is saying that you or your loved ones can’t refuse to get an abortion. What we’re saying is that we disagree with your position and that you need to respect our position just as we respect yours. We don’t force our position on you and we don’t you you forcing your position on us. I just don’t understand why conservatives feel the need to try to use the government to force their primitive, reactionary way of life on everyone else.

Furthermore, why do conservatives pretend to care so much about the unborn but as soon as they’re born they could care less what happens to that baby? That makes absolutely no logical sense. A woman may find herself unintentionally pregnant and realizing that there’s no way she can take care of a baby, she feels that terminating the pregnancy is her best option. If conservatives have their way, she has the baby but the baby suffers because she can’t afford all of the baby’s needs. And we know how hard conservatives have been fighting to keep healthcare unaffordable for millions of Americans. Conservatives do everything within their political power to cut any assistance the mother may need for taking care of the baby. You people are simply crazy.

All proponents of state laws that prevent abortions for people who do not wish any more children for any reason whatsoever should be true to their conviction by including an amendment to demonstrate their responsibility: All children born to women who were prevented from terminating their pregnancy as a result of a restrictive state law, shall be supported financially by that state until their 18th birthday, including all maintenance, schooling and health care.- That would demonstrate responsibility over mere ideology

Flashrooster I’m not a conservative – I’m just against murder which is what it is – protecting those without a voice!

They should require a notorized statement from the father approving of any abortion. After all it took someone to father any child and to completely ignore him is typical of many females who think they run the world.

They should require a notorized statement from the father approving of any abortion. After all it took someone to father any child and to completely ignore him is typical of many females who think they run the world.

Hitler and Stalin weren’t so bad. They didn’t kill millions of people, they just performed millions of “post term” abortions. So it’s OK.

Correct is not the 20 weeks that’s the issue is the fact that it basically closes down clinics so that women will not have a choice.

I am not for abortion, but a woman must have control of her own body. The republicans do this to every issue that comes before them. They see a war on this or a war on that! These republican political clowns should all be voted out of every local, state, and federal position in the entire USA. If they promoted birth control or was made to support the unborn with financial means, then there might be some hope for useless scum like republicans are! The whole party consist of power mad unethical jerks! Rick Perry is high on that pile. I lived in Texas for a while. It is a boring place!

Less than 2% of abortions are performed after 20 weeks….. So, MAYBE there is some sanity to this bill. No matter what one’s opinion of abortion is can we not agree this is NOT outrageous?

@elsewhere
“…typical of many females who think they run the world.”

Whoa “elsewhere!” You obviously REALLY hate women. You want a notarized statement from the father. Well if it was a rape, they might not be able to find the dude. And sometimes the “father” is just no longer around.

A baby becomes a baby when a fetus can live outside the mother’s body. And that is a MINIMUM of 24 weeks. Even at 24 weeks the baby will need to be on a ventilator in a Newborn Intensive Care Unit (NICU). Once in the NICU many of these little ones become blind or die because we have to keep the oxygen percentage so high. Their lungs are just too immature to ever breathe.

A federal agency has found that a number of prestigious universities failed to tell more than a thousand families in a government-financed study of oxygen levels for extremely premature babies that the risks could include increased chances of blindness or death. 50% of fetuses age 24-to 27 weeks will die or become blind. (New England Journal of Medicine-2010)

Many of these babies who do live will end up wards of the states as they will never wake up, will never be able to breathe on their own…will end up warehoused in “vent units.” I live in the real world. NO ONE IS PRO-ABORTION! But many are pro-choice. Every abortion is a tough, tough decision and the ONLY persons who can make this decision are the mother and her doctor.

NO ONE uses abortion as a method of birth control. Abortions occur because birth control fails. And every social and economic class has abortions. It’s just that the upper and upper middle class can always fly to Europe or find a Park Avenue doctor who will perform the abortion in their offices. The ONLY people in Texas who have to stick with the idiotic 20 weeks are the poor or lower middle class. Women who can’t hide behind their checking accounts.
I can’t tell you the number of women I will see holding up “Anti-abortion” signs and then they come into my office the next week asking for a referral for an abortion! I ask them: “Why do you want one?” Oh two kids are enough, I just got my figure back, we want to take a trip to Italy, or whatever. So I ask them “Why do you think that women are getting abortions in that clinic you protest every day?” Oh they just use it for birth control…NO they don’t!

If men could get pregnant, abortion at any week would be in the Bill of Rights…even before the right to bear arms. Until men can get pregnant STAY OUT OF THIS!!!

Of course, none of this discussion makes any difference because the Texas legislature is reconvening to pass the bill, regardless of the “thousands” of people who wasted their time protesting it. Which is as it should be anyway.

Flashrooster,
I made it back in town sooner and posted a new comment under the past article as a followup to my last. I hope you can read it.

The Republicans in Kansas just passed a law Stating life begins at fertilization (personhood). The fertilized egg has the rights to own property! Ohio, passed a law no transportation to a hospital for rape victims. Keep it up Republicans, you will loose the majority of the women voters. It’s not about being pro-life or pro-choice, it’s about being pro-women…..and you clearly are not! You will not take women’s rights and freedoms away! You will be tossed out of office state by state……we’re just getting started!

flashrooster,
I concur with your statement that conservatives express a concern for the unborn child but not much concern after the child is born…that is a problem with the conservatives, but I think they understand the sacredness of life better than the liberals. The biggest weakness I see in the “religious” is their lack of depth in their spiritual beliefs. But I see this superficial support in many movements, whether Christian, Muslim, Athiest, Gay/Lesbian, any other religion, secular, or political. We tend to support stuff w/o giving it must thought. all of us need to ask more questions about what we believe (doubt can be a good thing)
The problem I have with planned parenthood is it’s deception (I am not saying there is not deception with those on the right). Planned Parenthood is about “money”. these folks make plenty of money off of abortions (taking advantage of many young girls and where does the money come from?) and stating by performing abortions it is standing up for the rights of women. This is about life, it is about the rights of an unborn, it is about innocence. Just as there are physical laws and consequences of ignoring them, I believe there are spiritual laws that govern us, and if we ignore them there will be consequences.
Concerning un-wanted pregnancies, abortion should not be a form birth control – there are many other alternatives readily available.
What we need is the recognition of responsibility, and consequences of our actions. If we look at the facts, un-wanted pregnancies has risen ever since sex education was introduced into the education system and since the government started dumping significant funds into Planned Parenthood…does that tell us something when the stated intent was to reduce disease and reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies. look at the legislation passed in the 60′s and track the records.
looking forward to more discussions. However, I don’t think things can be fixed overnight with complete reversals of previous legal decisions. we must move quicky but cautiously in another direction.

It’s rare I see “eye to eye” (agree) with posters Speaker2, USofRationality, JL4, USAPragmatist, Flashrooster.

For that very reason on this subject I feel obligated to publicly concur with your comments and see insufficient reason to add to them.

Senator Wendy Davis appears to be the one person capable of seriously challenging Elvis (Rick Perry) for governor next time around. That might be a contest for the ages!

Isn’t it funny how heaps of pro-lifers are the same people saying we should bomb the middle east into what I commonly read as “glass”.

Guess it doesn’t count as innocents if they aren’t your religion/countrymen?