Ukraine president digs in heels over Russia ties despite protests

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In the twenty-first century, the world has not seen such a huge movement involving tens of thousands of peoples, anywhere, for such a insignificant event ! Here is a country who wants to join the EU, which is already bursting at seams and carrying the unbearable load of PIIGS (due to become PIIGUS) ! omg …

Dec 10, 2013 5:20am EST  --  Report as abuse
nirvichara wrote:

Oh sure. How Anybody can resolve their affairs without US meddling in ?

Dec 10, 2013 9:50am EST  --  Report as abuse
alecrider wrote:

We sure as hell aren’t going to just let the Soviet–, I mean Russia, meddle and destroy Ukraine’s hope of REAL Democracy and everything that can be attained as a Western nation.

Dec 10, 2013 10:16am EST  --  Report as abuse
SarahR417 wrote:

2,000 protesting in a country of 46 million. Think maybe the US has something to do with this?

Dec 10, 2013 12:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

“The crisis has revealed stark divisions… between those, mainly from the Russian-speaking east, who view Moscow as a source of stability and those, mainly from the Ukrainian-speaking west, who want to join the European mainstream…”
“…Ilya Shutov, an ex-miner from the eastern city of Donetsk, said the protesters would stay on the square until Yanukovich left office.”

Stark divisions, really?..

Dec 10, 2013 1:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

Yanukovich wants to write another book praising the Russian kgb mafia, and he can’t even speak Ukrainian. Yanukovich wan’t born in the Ukraine and he can’t even speak Ukrainian. According to his past convictions he specializes in assault, theft and fraud. This is someone to trust with the future of the Ukraine?

Dec 10, 2013 1:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

Yanukovich just came form China when he was probably consulting with the Chinese about Tiananmen Square. Then, he’s got further instructions from Russian Putin about rounding up people on Bolotnaya Square. I guess Yanukovich is well prepared now to fight his own people on Independence Square…

Dec 10, 2013 1:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
chyron wrote:

@UauS
Wrong – Yanuk just now understood there’s no one to bail him out. Not CU/RF nor EU nor USA – so “when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully”.

Dec 10, 2013 2:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
chyron wrote:

@UScitizentoo
Nobody spoke CURRENT ukrainian ’till 91, not even galicians. Maybe ‘cept canadian ukrainians who invented it.

Dec 10, 2013 2:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

@chyron
Maybe the next president won’t be a convicted criminal and he/she will be able to speak to the other half of the country.

Dec 10, 2013 2:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
chyron wrote:

So far ‘speak to Galicia’ meant ‘Mast&&bate on their “TRUE UKRAINISM”‘ – something Yanuk surely did in national politics at expense of russian-speaking people’s rights.
Anyway, how you can speak to someone who’s already not even there – my father were in western Ukrain few years ago and says that there were almost no able bodied men ‘cept administration, utilities and police – others became ‘zahrobitchahne’ – guest workers in other countries.

Dec 10, 2013 2:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

@chyron
I understand that you are sensitive to Ukrainians leaving to be guest workers. They are not traitors to Ukraine. They are important to send money back, to learn systems of real commerce, to pull the Ukraine out of the Russian stone ages. Do you think Russia can teach Ukraine about world commerce? Russia can only teach Ukraine how to be a police state supporting oil rich gangsters.
Ukrainian engineers and programmers can pull Ukraine out of the Russian stone age, just give them a chance to compete in a world market.

Dec 10, 2013 4:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

@chyron
I am a descendent of Ukrainian farmers who built the Canadian wheat industry at the turn of the last century. Ukrainians are hard working people. Ukraine must now live in the real world economy, not Putin land. King Putin won’t last long, Russian oil reserves are declining 5% per year. There will be revolution in Russia soon. Ukraine needs her own path separate from coming disaster Putin’s Russia.

Dec 10, 2013 4:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Dron wrote:

UScitizentoo, the only obvious disaster we can see coming now is in bankrupt EU and Obama’s USA, but not in Russia.

Dec 10, 2013 5:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Dron wrote:

UScitizentoo, the only obvious disaster we can see coming now is in bankrupt EU and Obama’s USA, but not in Russia.

Dec 10, 2013 5:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

@Dron
Russia produces only oil and gangsters. With a 5% decline per year in oil exports soon there will be only hungry gangsters.

Dec 10, 2013 5:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
chyron wrote:

@UScitizentoo
Your prediction about Russia are off, but that’s long talk. And with current trends EU is doomed well before RF reserves run low.
Sad thing is that ukrainian policy now is that of slave seeking new master. And changes current ‘opposition’ seeks to do are not to cure Ukraine illnesses but only about power for themselves – just like current rulers did.
I know people like those who protested on Bolotnaya and see similarities between them and ones on Maidan Nezalezhnosti – they’re naive well-meaning fools used by people with no morale or scruples (though luckily lacking balls too).

If they really sought their own way things wouldn’t got so bitter. Getting ‘oranges’ back to power won’t solve anything – these were ones who put Ukraine to death spiral in first place. And their allies…they’re literally darkness and blood and recipy for ruin.

And even more sad part is that ‘real economy’ you’re talking about see no need in ukrainian potential – other than cheap manpower to assimilate and agricultural lands for biofuels there’s nothing interesting for EU is long run. So remaining industries will be scrapped – under charter of bein’ “inefficient and not up to EU standarts” – and nothing will be built instead. Look that they’ve done to other ex-USSR and SEV countries – who negotiated much better and that was in fat years not to return.

Dec 10, 2013 6:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Dron wrote:

USCitizentoo, don’t worry about the Russian oil reserves, there is plenty of untouched oil fields there. In fact Russia has recently been criticized for not drilling more oil to reduce the price of oil globally. And in any case Russia has built up a lot of currency and gold reserves, now the 3rd largest in the world. And EU’s vault are already empty, they wasted it all bailing out banks and troubled countries like Greece.

Dec 10, 2013 8:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
matthewslyman wrote:

@alecrider: And we sure aren’t going to let a few noisy political stooges from west Ukraine manipulate us into externally backing their internal cultural dispute with the people of east Ukraine… Are we?

Dec 11, 2013 5:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
matthewslyman wrote:

@SarahR417: A recent Reuters article told us that most of the protesters were ex-military (probably post-national-service) guys whose excursions to Kiev were being organized by politicians from around the western regions that stand to benefit disproportionately with the rest of Ukraine, if Ukraine leans west. (Like they don’t care at all for the people of the north east whose main trade relationship is with Russia…)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/06/us-ukraine-divide-idUSBRE9B50M120131206

Dec 11, 2013 5:52am EST  --  Report as abuse
matthewslyman wrote:

EU/Russia needs to stop seeing Ukraine as the prize in some competition between them, and start perceiving the incredible opportunity Ukraine represents for east/west cooperation and cultural intercourse. Only then, can we avoid these potential scenarios:
* EU/Russia being played off against each other for a one-sided deal with Ukraine (mainly to Ukraine’s advantage);
* “Protests” destroying a significant part of the value in Ukraine’s assets, industries and post-cold-war political peace-dividend.

Dec 11, 2013 5:57am EST  --  Report as abuse
matthewslyman wrote:

Interesting alternative journalistic perspective:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25328311

Dec 11, 2013 6:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
izrahim wrote:

I hope that the President of the Ukraine will not fall into the European Union trick and maintain his position for the good of his people.

Dec 11, 2013 6:31am EST  --  Report as abuse
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