U.S. prosecutor defends treatment of Indian diplomat

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sumith321 wrote:

India degrade Sri Lanka everyday bt calling our prsident war criminal etc. (OK not really by India but Tamils, who are not real Indians).

Dec 18, 2013 7:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
donhotchkiss5 wrote:

I can’t think of a reason why this woman was stripped and had a cavity search. What were they thinking of? What were they looking for? A gun? drugs? Maybe Jimmy Hoffa? They knew she was a diplomat but treated her like a common criminal and disrespected her and her country.

Dec 18, 2013 7:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Dron wrote:

Agreed, US wastes a lot of cash on things like aid to emerging powers such as India, makes no sense.

Dec 18, 2013 9:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Coolguyvin wrote:

Hi Friends
There is a lot of assumption that US gives aid to India which is just 91 million dollars which is nothing.. Look at the following article..
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-04-15/india/38555267_1_health-sector-health-programme-india
India doesn’t require any more aid , it is just usa keeps their formality.
India is top 5th economy in the world, needs to be treated respectfully.
Check this article what really US does with aid…
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1393960/US-gives-billions-foreign-aid-worlds-richest-countries-asks-borrow-back.html

Dec 18, 2013 9:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MassResident wrote:

The problem here is that our treatment of American citizens who are arrested is so bad that it constitutes punishment in itself. Allowing this kind of treatment with no justification constitutes punishment inflected without a trial. That is unconstitutional.

Dec 18, 2013 10:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
avidear wrote:

What kind of aid does the U.S provides India? Screaming in CAPS does not make your ignorance sound better. Try to look in the mirror and see way the world’s sees of U.S. actions – sheer hypocrisy. Lecturing World on human rights and democracy – while invading and occupying countries on total lies (Iraq) , using nuclear (Japan) and chemical (Vietnam) weapons, instigating coups and supporting dictators (too numerous), lying to get its own agents and diplomats even after murder (Pakistan), using drone to kill and maim (multiple).
Take a deep breath and look in the mirror!! It is not a pretty picture!

Dec 18, 2013 10:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
XianSheng wrote:

“The Indian public is being manipulated to become outraged at the arrest of its diplomat”. True that, @WestFlorida. The corrupted elite and well connected in India and Asia in general, have at times been very brutal (nee, Biblical) in dealing with housekeepers and maidservants. Let this case be an example to expose this dirty behavior. And to think, Indian politicians are trying to exploit this story to help them get elected, only exemplifies the point of the corruption and duplicity of the elite there.

Dec 18, 2013 10:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bighammerman wrote:

I would like to see a video of the search so I can form my own opinion.

Dec 18, 2013 11:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
adamrussell wrote:

1. If you respect rule of law then you should abide by the treaty you signed giving diplomatic immunity to diplomats.
2. You say she was treated just like anyone else that broke the law, but how many people have ever been arrested for underpaying their nanny?
3. When you count the room and board and clothing she got as part of her employment, the wages were not that bad.
4. It may be right and legal to do strip searches, but what gave you the right to do cavity searches? I never heard of that being declared legal.

Dec 18, 2013 11:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
74LS08 wrote:

Silicon Valley, CA is home to thousands if not tens of thousands of South Asians who are either overstayed their visas or are here on bogus work visas.
There are fake colleges, fake job shop companies and probably a lot of fictitious marriages all for the purpose of gaining entry into the United States.
FBI had just busted a ring that had operated two fake colleges in Mountain View CA, which true goal was to help 3rd world trash to gain student visas to the US.

Dec 18, 2013 11:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse

The diplomat from India is no better than any other person accused of criminal behavior. What happened is standard booking procedure. Just maybe she should have paid her help their agreed upon wages.

Dec 19, 2013 12:00am EST  --  Report as abuse
ReutersBabar wrote:

Well, now we truly have an example of American exceptionalism. Yup, the only industrialized Western country to routinely intimidate and humiliate detained persons who present no physical threat whatsoever. And the two comments above, also prove how exceptional Americans are. Narrow minded, stupid, and bigoted.

Dec 19, 2013 12:01am EST  --  Report as abuse
TxGrill wrote:

The idiots above talking about US aid to India , should first get educated(GED ? ) enough to find out that India receives no aid from US

Dec 19, 2013 12:14am EST  --  Report as abuse
PeterBarlow wrote:

America treats its accused very badly indeed. This woman just got caught up in our rotten sadistic prison system. How I wish America were a more civilized country. What we do to folks who are presumed to be innocent is truly appalling and disgraceful for a supposedly Christian country.

Dec 19, 2013 12:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
adamrussell wrote:

It may be standard procedure to do strip searches, but it certainly is not SOP to do cavity searches. This was someone’s idea of payback.

Dec 19, 2013 12:57am EST  --  Report as abuse
Sinbad1 wrote:

@POLITICALBS I don’t think India cares about US foreign aid, their economy is booming, whilst the US is in the midst of a depression. Anyway US foreign aid is only weapons and they recently spent an awful lot of money buying French fighters rather than take almost free FA18′s.

Dec 19, 2013 2:19am EST  --  Report as abuse
WestFlorida wrote:

The Indian counselor official appears to be regularly telling untruths about the arrest, exaggerating what happened, all for the purpose of stirring up more enmity between the US and India. Paying a person in New York City less per day than the price of a Starbucks coffee is the same as paying them nothing, which is the same as slavery, and it is illegal. The Indian government by defending this consular official is defending this type of abuse of workers.

Dec 19, 2013 2:45am EST  --  Report as abuse
WestFlorida wrote:

The Indian counselor official appears to be regularly telling untruths about the arrest, exaggerating what happened, all for the purpose of stirring up more enmity between the US and India. Paying a person in New York City less per day than the price of a Starbucks coffee is the same as paying them nothing, which is the same as slavery, and it is illegal. The Indian government by defending this consular official is defending this type of abuse of workers.

Dec 19, 2013 2:45am EST  --  Report as abuse
WestFlorida wrote:

The Indian counselor official appears to be regularly telling untruths about the arrest, exaggerating what happened, all for the purpose of stirring up more enmity between the US and India. Paying a person in New York City less per day than the price of a Starbucks coffee is the same as paying them nothing, which is the same as slavery, and it is illegal. The Indian government by defending this consular official is defending this type of abuse of workers.

Dec 19, 2013 2:45am EST  --  Report as abuse
WestFlorida wrote:

The Indian counselor official appears to be regularly telling untruths about the arrest, exaggerating what happened, all for the purpose of stirring up more enmity between the US and India. Paying a person in New York City less per day than the price of a Starbucks coffee is the same as paying them nothing, which is the same as slavery, and it is illegal. The Indian government by defending this consular official is defending this type of abuse of workers.

Dec 19, 2013 2:45am EST  --  Report as abuse
Sengerandu wrote:

People overseas seem to be too much conscious about the aids given to India and others. A similar trend was observed in England, and India pledged to keep that aid to themselves. As of now, we are a pretty big economy and productive and as such do not require aid from third party for survival and growth. For the information of american readers, let me clarify that India and Pakistan and Bangladesh are entirely different cases. Scenario in Pak and Bangladesh is not at all comparable to India and the aid are humiliating. Please stop them as soon as possible.

Regarding wages and local laws, please understand background of socio-cultural belongings. An Indian diplomat receives a salary lesser than a casual worker of America, but it suffices in terms of Indian context. Therefore one is not expected to pay a maid more than his/her income(when the salary is drawn from Indian Govt calculated in Indian Context). If one is forced to pay as per american customs, then back over here we may argue to apply all Indian rules on tourists too. Public kissing is considered a nonsense at our place, but we tolerate and no one from west is prosecuted with an implicit understanding that tourists come from a different background and are not expected to adhere to all the laws of the land. This is how things work.

Dec 19, 2013 3:11am EST  --  Report as abuse
Jocomus wrote:

The convention on diplomatic immunity was initially accorded only to the ambassador himself and not to his aides and deputies. Somehow many countries mistakenly recognise that extension and expect same VIP treatment when their diplomats are overseas.

Equality before the law is a core value of America.

Dec 19, 2013 3:12am EST  --  Report as abuse
BornJinx wrote:

The matter is sub judice in India where there is a warrant out for her arrest since early Dec. The employer (Devyani) has filed a Missing Persons report in Jun when the maid disappeared. The maid has asked for visa to be extended while she seeks alternative employment, $10,000 severance pay and the Indian Consulate has forwarded a written communication asking her visa to be revoked in July.

Why were the facts of the case being debated by the State Dept and the Indian Consulate, if the issue is being handled by local police/prosecutors ? Having a paperwork handled by State Dept and “independent local” police action == recipe for disaster.

Jocomus – I hope you are joking. Could you google Romney’s “undocumented gardeners ?” Raymond Davis “Consulate Official” ?

Dec 19, 2013 3:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
prsdAnand wrote:

Stop talking about Aid to developing countries…
It is these countries who are financing US activities by buying up all those bucks printed by the Fed!!!

If these countries decide to put their reserves in other currencies, the borrow and spend economy that US is will sulk back into another recession.

What justifies cavity search of a Diplomat picked up from her child’s school? The “STOP ….” message smacks of unwarranted arrogance, watch out …

Dec 19, 2013 3:58am EST  --  Report as abuse
rvm3 wrote:

The defense is we treat all persons of color this way in the U.S.

Dec 19, 2013 4:59am EST  --  Report as abuse
tinfoilhlmt wrote:

Diplomatic Immunity:Diplomatic immunity is a form of legal immunity and a policy held between governments that ensures that diplomats are given safe passage and are considered not susceptible to lawsuit or prosecution under the host country’s laws, although they can still be extradited. What is there not to understand?!?

Dec 19, 2013 6:55am EST  --  Report as abuse
Shabbasgoy wrote:

Indian politicians are red with rage over this arrest. How dare the U.S. arrest this crook! Oh, I see, according to the officials of the Indian government, it’s ‘degrading’ to arrest and process an Indian, as long as that Indian is of an elevated status – and they are letting the world know it. Having millions of Indians, including children, eating garbage, living in slums and in gutters and drinking from sewage infested waters is ok. Talk about having one’s priorities completely screwed up!

Dec 19, 2013 7:04am EST  --  Report as abuse
Jlurp wrote:

don’t worry, Obama will apologize, he is very good with that.

Dec 19, 2013 9:09am EST  --  Report as abuse
Jlurp wrote:

she lives here and she should follow by the laws here.

Dec 19, 2013 9:09am EST  --  Report as abuse
Saby wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Allen_Davis_incident

US was talking about diplomatic immunity for killing 3 people in Pakistan.. i think underpaying a nanny is a far less severe crime…

Are the diplomats treated at par with all citizens of the country? i think a notice should have been enough to arrest a diplomat rather than handcuffing and strip searches…

Dec 19, 2013 10:01am EST  --  Report as abuse
remotepath wrote:

lol we don’t need your stupid aid.. both UK and USA can stop their aids to India. India can sustain without your aid. instead you can use that in your military budget to blow up more countries.

Dec 19, 2013 10:02am EST  --  Report as abuse
Franksone wrote:

You don’t destroy relations with a country like India over something like this. The Indians are so mad they have suspended import licenses to get food to our embassy as well as booze. They also removed the anti-suicide bombing barriers from in front of our embassy.
The USA in charge of the case is from India believe it or not.

Dec 19, 2013 10:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

“We did nothing wrong. We rape ALL of our suspects.”

Full cavity search over a paperwork issue. I wonder if Mitt Romney received a full cavity search when he was found to be employing an undocumented worker in his home. My guess would be….. no.

Dec 19, 2013 11:31am EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Bighammerman offers: “I would like to see a video of the search so I can form my own opinion.”

Dude you’re creepy. You just went in the tosser pile. You want to watch a cavity search of a non-consenting person? That’s funny to you?

Dec 19, 2013 11:53am EST  --  Report as abuse
AdamSmith wrote:

In India, corruption is a way of life.

Last month, as this Reuters story reveals, the wife of a member of parliament was arrested in Delhi for allegedly BEATING HER MAID TO DEATH.

India has a very high crime rate, and grinding, violent poverty. Organized crime syndicates in India are much more pervasive than in the USA.

India has a corruption on a large scale, both in its national government and its local governments. Unlike the United States, BRIBERY is a way of life for both corporate and private business in India.

India has developed a multi-billion dollar industry around gaming and abusing the American H1B Visa program. To India, it is fair and OK to lie on visa applications. Infosys Ltd, recently was fined $35 million for VISA FRAUD, for defrauding the American B1 and H1B visa programs on a large scale.

On an even broader scale, the majority of all H1B visas obtained by Indians contain some element fraudulent information. They have become experts at fraudulent visas. It is a giant fraud against the American people.

The American law enforcement authorities should be commended in this case for standing up for the American people and blowing the whistle on the fraud and corruption so endemic in the Indian culture.

Indian habits of fraud and corruption have no place in America.

Dec 19, 2013 12:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Adam Smith declares: “….fraud and corruption have no place in America.”

Yeah ok. And when John Corzine gets a full cavity search for it, let us know.

Adorable pride though. Dare to dream.

Dec 19, 2013 12:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ReverendJim wrote:

“charges of underpaying her nanny”. I don’t think it is possible to say “keeps slaves” any nicer than that. People in India are up that slavery is illegal in The United States. That explains everything about their culture in those protests.

Dec 19, 2013 2:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ReverendJim wrote:

I remember when Reuters had standards for posting. I was so proud when my posts made it through the venting process so often that they no longer considered it necessary. Now look at the lack of quality in these posts. People on both sides of the argument are too illiterate in English to even make a coherent contribution, and the obvious racism, especially by people of Indian decent, against those of African decent, is appalling. Perhaps Reuters Needs to tighten their posting requirements again, despite protests to the contrary. It’s starting to look like a Yahoo post.

Dec 19, 2013 2:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Whatsgoingon wrote:

@Franksone “The USA in charge of the case is from India believe it or not.” Thanks for point that out. But why would he do this – just to become famous? Gee he might have stayed in the states for too long, where popularity equals fame.

Dec 19, 2013 7:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
getrealmax wrote:

@reverendjim, about your comment on the appalling English used by Indians , I would like to say this- i can comment in flawless Hindi or Mandarin, but would you understand?

Dec 19, 2013 10:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BornJinx wrote:

Ummm… Rev Jim, perhaps the standards might be better if you learnt the context of vetting vs vetting, and descent vs decent ?

Nobody disputes the guy’s right to pursue a case, but why didn’t he take into account an Indian court’s already existing order for arrest of the maid ? Why didn’t he act on complaints of intimidatory anonymous phone calls 3 months ago ? If there is a dispute, and not resolved, rescind visa and send her back. Arresting a person on an issue where two Governments are in written communication is arrogant and unethical.

BTW: the Saudi guy had bouncers throw out cops from his home, and had kidnapped a woman. Guess what the US decided ? Grant him immunity. Retroactively.

Dec 20, 2013 12:03am EST  --  Report as abuse

#adamrussell— The charges & arrest were a result fraudulent statements in order to obtain a visa, not specifically for non-payment of wages. Try to get your information straight.

Dec 20, 2013 2:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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