Pizza outlet attacked as India, U.S. fail to cool diplomat row

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Wow! WhymeLord and Bubblebreath:look at your comments, think what you wrote. Really!?! you guys can do so much better, if you tried. Just saying.

Dec 19, 2013 8:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Grab some popcorn, take a ring side seat and watch bureaucrats on both sides make fools of themselves.

On one hand, the US says it is trying to mend fences and on the other hand State department spokesperson and Preet Bharara keep insisting that the law will take it’s course. On the other side, Indians are now insisting on dropping all charges and tendering an apology. And, it’s election time in India. If the ruling party relents, the voters will see it as a sign of weakness and bowing before US pressure.

All in all, good fun.

Dec 19, 2013 8:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Mott wrote:

Looks like this story has good depth to it -

- Maid – Sangeeta Richard blackmails to get a long-term US visa and left the diplomat in June
- Indian govt. charged the maid and her husband for breach of contract and for illegally obtaining passport for immigrating to US
- Indian govt. asks for the arrest of the maid but the request gets ignored by US
- Instead, US immigrates the maids children to US
- Maid and husband use the social system – Safe Horizon
- Safe Horizon reports the case to State Dept.
- Preet Herrara and Marshals do their stunt and hence the story

Dec 19, 2013 10:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Heisenberg1 wrote:

why is a US prosecutor commenting? and why did he have Indian nationals taken out of India for such a issue? merely a civil case of wages? there are hundreds and thousands of underpaid Mexicans in the USA with American employers whom the prosecutor has not cared for? yet he goes after a foreign diplomat who was being blackmailed by a nanny for money and has obviously manipulated US law and State for a green card – Obama won’t rest until he has ruined every foreign relationship?

Dec 19, 2013 10:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
deadgoo wrote:

sounds like nyc is gettin a bit big for its britches. tryin to turn itself into a sovern country?

Dec 19, 2013 10:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Mott wrote:

@sandhuatretuers – Grab some popcorn..

You may have gotten this right.

Looks like the State Dept together with a few other departments fell for the scam and involved deep into this – will be interesting to see how they pull their heads out of this mess.

Dec 19, 2013 10:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
INDIAnow wrote:

US has fraudulently issued VISA to family of SUNITA RECHERDS. INDIAN judiciary was already looking into the matter … It means US or PREET BHRARA is super imposing his decision on INDIAN JUDICIARY.I am sure that PREET BHRARA clearly knows what it means to be an IFS officer … Which clearly indicates that he is willing to sacrifice US-INDIA relations for his own gains. In INDIA in no condition she could have got what she was getting from INDIAN DIPLOMAT.

Dec 19, 2013 10:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
INDIAnow wrote:

what was done to Mrs. devyani is considered as sexual harassment in INDIA so PREET BHRARA should be ready to face that allegation

Dec 19, 2013 10:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
INDIAnow wrote:

US is misinterpreting the story … here Mrs DEVYANI is the victim … she is protected in India as she is from Scheduled Cast . May be SUNITA RECHERDS was humiliating her because of that … which can be a non bailable offence in INDIA

Dec 19, 2013 11:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ReverendJim wrote:

Until this situation, I never knew that slavery was legal in India and that they were ready to defend that “institution” with violence.

Dec 19, 2013 11:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Neurochuck wrote:

You need to have been reading some of the English language sites such as:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com
http://www.hindustantimes.com
to realize the furor from top politicians, media opinion, etc and the swirl of somewhat related issues about Indian foreign policy, India’s importance, and its internal social relations, corruption, etc.
The email to Times of India from the quite beautiful diplomat claims she was extorted and threatened by a lawyer in the USA working with an “immigration mafia”, and legal action was taken in Delhi which was ignored by the USA.
She claims she was then given the Abu Graib treatment and passed along for multiple strip searches and cavity probes as she tried to maintain the “dignity of India”.
A hornet’s nest for the US State Department.

Dec 19, 2013 11:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Palmland wrote:

US has already scratched it’s head with an indian fire stick. Let us see how US manage to pull back. And being the elections are so near, the ruling congress party has to prove that it is not pro American. Let us not forget the case against Sonia Gandhi in US courts. All these could be a dramma well played.

Dec 20, 2013 12:23am EST  --  Report as abuse
Yoda21 wrote:

This diplomat may have been in the wrong. But when it comes to diplomacy, between friends, such matters are best handled behind closed doors followed by a quiet recall of said diplomat with some sort of settlement. By creating a public spectacle, and sexually assaulting an Indian woman diplomat, The United States is sending a clear message to India that the US and India are not friends. I believe India has received this message loud and clear, and will act accordingly in the future.

Also, looking at all the other details that are coming out such as a $10,000 blackmail attempt by the maid and so on, it appears that the US has flushed US-India ties down the toilet for something far more murky and gray than what the US Attorney, Preet Bharara is making it out to be.

Also, I wonder how much room & board, food, medical insurance and airline tickets amount to in New York – I suspect it amounts to way more than the $3/hr figure that keeps getting quoted. This appears to be a highly vindictive move by the US for allegations that appear on the surface to be more about technicalities than any real abuse. Stripping and sexually assaulting a diplomat for these charges is odd. I suspect there is something else going on behind the scenes.

Dec 20, 2013 12:47am EST  --  Report as abuse
umkomazi wrote:

Bubblebreath wrote:
India should go back to what India does best, raping teens…

The way that the USA kills kids with drones, has 1/2 its population running amok wit guns, 2/3 of its population morbidly obese, 80% of of its population has zero knowledge of the world outside US borders……???

Dec 20, 2013 12:51am EST  --  Report as abuse
Whatsgoingon wrote:

@Yoda21 if everyone is our friend how can we justify defense spending increases? NSA spies on EVERY country, what could have made it more clear?

Dec 20, 2013 1:29am EST  --  Report as abuse
Whatsgoingon wrote:

@Neurochuck “A hornet’s nest for the US State Department.” Not really. They’ll be paid overtime to create 10 different stories and awarded when the whole world got lost and forgot it actually happened. Great to see tax dollars at work. Merry Christmas:)

Dec 20, 2013 1:37am EST  --  Report as abuse
KKKishore wrote:

You American Idiots are getting fooled by both Richards and Preet in accepting and ineligble person as a Citizen.
They are fooling you people to think that there is great problem in India and india rules for labour.
It is a drama created for Uncle Tom who will propably run of an public office later sometime and Richards to get US Citizenship

Dec 20, 2013 2:59am EST  --  Report as abuse
Ayathamattom wrote:

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/international-law-only-for-weaker-states/article5479314.ece?homepage=true

Dec 20, 2013 4:14am EST  --  Report as abuse
Ayathamattom wrote:

The harsh truth is that the U.S. interprets the convention restrictively at home but liberally overseas so as to shield even the spies and contractors it sends. A classic case is the one that involved the CIA contractor, Raymond Davis, who fatally shot two men in 2011 in Lahore. Claiming Davis to be a bona fide diplomat with its Lahore consulate who enjoyed immunity from prosecution, Washington accused Pakistan of “illegally detaining” him, with Mr. Obama defending him as “our diplomat.” The U.S. ultimately secured his release by paying “blood money” of about $2.4 million to the relatives of the men.

Dec 20, 2013 4:16am EST  --  Report as abuse
dblstdusa wrote:

As a person keenly following this drama enacted by the maid and support cast including the so called indian origin preet barrara i wanted the following clarification from people who support US action.
1.If the maid agreed to work for a particular sum and facilities offerd as promised then why the hue and cry?Why did she agree in the first place to go to US?
2.How can Us act Unilaterally to take her relatives when summons and warrants are pending in Indian courts?3.A terrible atrocity like mumbai carnage happened and why they did not provide us david satan headly for questioning?And why the Bhopal tragedy villain got a safe passage from india?
Why the raymond davies went scott free for double murder?if lying is punishable in Us,then why U did not arrest bill clinton in lewinsky case and george bush in iraq WMD issue?Why they rescued an american national after he killed a kenyan and injured 8 others there?

Dec 20, 2013 4:47am EST  --  Report as abuse
Donbasilio wrote:

New York police force has never been trained properly how to behave
towards foreign diplomats residing in the city.They have been known for their totally insulting manners since the times of mayor Juliani.

The current Attorney of Manhattan should be actually fired and the officers who strip searched the Indian diplomat lady suspended. She represented India in New York and India has been arrested,handcuffed,
and searched naked!!!

A Deputy Consul General is higher in rank than any police officer or
Manhattan’s attorney. They should have both referred the case to the State Department-it was not their business at all to act-and they have harmed the interests of the USA!!!

Stop pretending you are far west cowboys people! New York is the seat
of the United Nations and numerous Consulates. All their employees should be treated with warm hospitality and respect and if they do something wrong, the State Department should handle such cases!!!

Dec 20, 2013 5:05am EST  --  Report as abuse
newlygrad wrote:

Another instance the law enforcement agencies screw things up by acting recklessly in disregard to diplomacy, and State Department tries to act as firefighter but in vain. Kerry can make no home order though. Similar incidents will persist.

Dec 20, 2013 5:06am EST  --  Report as abuse
theovulator wrote:

umkomazi wrote:
The way that the USA kills kids with drones, has 1/2 its population running amok wit guns, 2/3 of its population morbidly obese, 80% of of its population has zero knowledge of the world outside US borders……???

umkomazi. You issue stats that end with question marks, BUT YOU MAKE NO POINT.

Also, your stats are wrong.

With drones, USA kills without regard to sex or age.

Morbidly obese? Many but not 2/3rds. Although it’s pretty easy to spot American tourists abroad. Just look for the fatties.

80% don’t know squat outside U.S. borders? Probably more like 95%.

But “1/2 its population running amok with guns”. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

There is currently in the U.S., something like four hundred million firearms in the hands of something like a hundred and fifty million U.S. citizens. The current U.S. population is approximately 330 million people. Do the math.

You may have formulated your obviously biased opinion of “half the population running amok with guns” from the massive media reports and coverage that envelops, 24/7, this country’s news cycle. Or perhaps you just typed the statement without beforehand giving it much thought.

Even so, when you consider the vast number of firearms owned and possessed by what are, by far, vast-majority, honest, law-abiding U.S. citizens, you’d think crazy acts of violence (that, historically, have been lineally-occurring, and perpetrated by, mentally-deficient, nut-jobs) would be even much, much more common. But they’re not.

It’s unfortunate that you have lost in your country, GREAT BRITAIN, MANY of the freedoms that we, here in the United States, still enjoy.

I hope you don’t find it TOO offensive to be reminded that our founders wrote this, and other freedoms (soon after the revolutionary war), into our constitution and the first 10 bill of rights because of YOU, and, after kicking your ass once. Wrote it and ratified it into the law of the land, and then kicked your ass again, in the war of 1812.

So glad we’re all Allies now though.

So much so in fact, that we aspire to emulate your healthcare model.

Next up on Obama’s agenda: UK-styled universal dental care. Ooooh, shag me.

Dec 20, 2013 5:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
Breffni wrote:

Prosecutor Preet saying he will hang her high, while Kerry says how much he regrets the incident while Marie gives us the other Harf of the story. All the while Obama is wondering who he should apologize to but worried about how it will affect his polls.
Diplobamacy at work. Any bets on how long before Preet and Harf are asked to put a cork in it? Already the entire nation of India is seething from the disrespectful and unnecessary Preet MO taking flight like a hateful fireball around the globe. Without taking sides, is this the best way to deal with issues of this nature? Allow a self serving Preet wander the globe leaving a trail such as this behind him for us all to wade through ?? Makes little sense to me.

Dec 20, 2013 6:38am EST  --  Report as abuse
panamajim wrote:

“her father threatened to start a fast”

Oh, no, please, not a fast!

Dec 20, 2013 7:20am EST  --  Report as abuse
tmc wrote:

Should American Diplomats have to follow Sharia law? Can they be “stoned” to death? What happens to them when a government changes in a foreign nation?

There are established rules to diplomacy, diplomats, and embassies that must be followed by ALL countries or the entire system would quickly disintegrate and all embassies everywhere would have to be closed. Are we as a global society ready for that?

Dec 20, 2013 7:26am EST  --  Report as abuse
RangerParsons wrote:

OH YEAH! Well I just kicked a plate of chicken shwarma in the road.

Dec 20, 2013 7:32am EST  --  Report as abuse
RahulHere wrote:

Karma does work – Give Good, Get Good. Give Bad, Get bad.
People like Ms Devyani are classic examples of the way a successful and reasonable rich Indian lives.
Facts :
1. She is a dalit. So, she knows what it means to be discriminated.
2. She has good mental ability – she passed Indian Civil Service.
3. Of 1000s of IFS officer who wish to get posted at US, she gets posted. May be she is one of the best IFS officers. Or may be she has contacts to get the posting.
4. She has an excellent personality – she is elegant,poised in all the photos.
5. She has a maid. So she does not have to do all the mechanical chores and she can focus on the more important things – career etc.
6. She has an apartment at the posh Adarsh Society.
7. She has excellent strategy – get things done with beautiful statements –
“I got the strength to regain composure and remain dignified thinking that I must represent all of my colleagues and my country with confidence and pride”
8. Devyani’s father is an IFS officer. They are among the upper class of the society.
9. Devyanis maid was stripped off her passport, ordered arrest etc. The maid was made to pay like hell by India.

Inference:
1. In India, unethical people do get selected in Civil Service. (I know ethical people in Civil Service, I respect you.)
2. Education system in India allows bad/dishonest people to become successful.
3. Indian Society allows bad/dishonest people to become successful.
4. Good hearted and honest people in India get nothing.
5. Value of time of rich people is given more importance. Discrimination at highest.
6. In India, issues like Devyani etc is given priority – whereas fundamental issues like ‘equality’,'fair evaluation’, ‘original research’ is given no priority.
7. India has so many honest and capable people best suited for serving as an IFS officer – but they will never get a chance.

Notes :
1. Devyanis salary was just $4k, so it is okay to cheat the system. – Her salary is $4k because of India’s economic condition. Had India been like US, she could have easily afforded. So, India is the cause. Many honest people dont hire maids – because they cant pay them.
2. She was a diplomat, and her position was not respected – Immunity is available for all issues related to Consular functions, not personal greed. In US, if some one does something wrong, irrespective of position, action is taken. In India, successful rich people might escape. US is not like India.
3. She is a Dalit, so she was harmed – This happened in US, nothing to do with caste. Had this been India, this statement would have rocked the nation.

Bottom-line, people like Ms Devyani lead happy lives at the cost of others people time and effort. And most people support it.

I wish we all Indians begin accepting the right and slowly we will also improve.

Dec 20, 2013 7:45am EST  --  Report as abuse

Wake up call Indian Officials to consider serious counter measures

After Long History of US abuse & reckless behavior on people representing developing nations? ‘ US Dos/other Officials STILL claiming there is good bilateral relation ‘ ? In All countries ,US Diplomats should gets the Same Treatment and Same Standard procedures nothing more and nothing less.

The counter measures should start with BAN on all US imports and re-negating the previous nuclear deal with Russia.

Dec 20, 2013 7:50am EST  --  Report as abuse
Fisher1949 wrote:

Perhaps India should strip search every American entering or leaving India since America is so fond of this barbaric practice.

Dec 20, 2013 8:07am EST  --  Report as abuse
Prox wrote:

Diplomatic immunity does not cover everything. I doubt human traffiking and visa fraud are covered. As for being treated as a common criminal, if the shoe fits wear it. This is no different than how we would be treated here in the US and would be treated much worse in other parts of the world. If they no longer want to import our fast foods, then we should stop importing their textiles and see who gets hurt the most.

Dec 20, 2013 8:20am EST  --  Report as abuse
apollo1981 wrote:

The longer this goes on, the sillier it gets in India. Clearly, people are being manipulated there.

Release the diplomat, ask her to leave the U.S. and not come back again, and remind the Indian diplomatic missions that U.S. laws must be obeyed.

Dec 20, 2013 9:16am EST  --  Report as abuse
Robot wrote:

Did anybody watch “The Whistleblower” recently? If not please take a walk to redbox/netflix.

Dec 20, 2013 9:19am EST  --  Report as abuse
zbrowne wrote:

Who Americans think they are? This is a maid being abused, and what about U.S. killing all those innocent people in drone attacks? How about Guantanamo? What moral force does U.S. have left in the world? Stuff like this happens all the time, and they are willing to risk destroying relations with India over a maid? Please, spare me this self righteous garbage.

Dec 20, 2013 9:33am EST  --  Report as abuse
zbrowne wrote:

Who Americans think they are? This is a maid being abused, and what about U.S. killing all those innocent people in drone attacks? How about Guantanamo? What moral force does U.S. have left in the world? Stuff like this happens all the time, and they are willing to risk destroying relations with India over a maid? Please, spare me this self righteous garbage.

Dec 20, 2013 9:33am EST  --  Report as abuse
zbrowne wrote:

Who Americans think they are? This is a maid being abused, and what about U.S. killing all those innocent people in drone attacks? How about Guantanamo? What moral force does U.S. have left in the world? Stuff like this happens all the time, and they are willing to risk destroying relations with India over a maid? Please, spare me this self righteous garbage.

Dec 20, 2013 9:33am EST  --  Report as abuse
zbrowne wrote:

Who Americans think they are? This is a maid being abused, and what about U.S. killing all those innocent people in drone attacks? How about Guantanamo? What moral force does U.S. have left in the world? Stuff like this happens all the time, and they are willing to risk destroying relations with India over a maid? Please, spare me this self righteous garbage.

Dec 20, 2013 9:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
zbrowne wrote:

Who Americans think they are? This is a maid being abused, and what about U.S. killing all those innocent people in drone attacks? How about Guantanamo? What moral force does U.S. have left in the world? Stuff like this happens all the time, and they are willing to risk destroying relations with India over a maid? Please, spare me this self righteous garbage.

Dec 20, 2013 9:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
zbrowne wrote:

Who Americans think they are? This is a maid being abused, and what about U.S. killing all those innocent people in drone attacks? How about Guantanamo? What moral force does U.S. have left in the world? Stuff like this happens all the time, and they are willing to risk destroying relations with India over a maid? Please, spare me this self righteous garbage.

Dec 20, 2013 9:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
zbrowne wrote:

Who Americans think they are? This is a maid being abused, and what about U.S. killing all those innocent people in drone attacks? How about Guantanamo? What moral force does U.S. have left in the world? Stuff like this happens all the time, and they are willing to risk destroying relations with India over a maid? Please, spare me this self righteous garbage.

Dec 20, 2013 9:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
urall5150 wrote:

Stop calling her a Diplomat….you idiots.

That title was given to her retroactively.

Dec 20, 2013 9:58am EST  --  Report as abuse
urall5150 wrote:

Rich powerful people playing monopoly on a global scale. Who gives a crap.

The person that said ” grab some popcorn” is the most intelligent of us all.

Dec 20, 2013 10:00am EST  --  Report as abuse
Mehtasaab wrote:

I came to know that Devyani Khobragade and her family has more charges in India for wrong doing. She should be charged if she violated US law. I think Indian Media is controlled by political parties. Shiv Shena is a party of “Looter” who has nothing to do. I know Preet Bharara will not put any charges against her if she did not violate US law. Also White house should not involve in leagal System of America. Let legal system to take care of it. Indian have their own defination of national pride. If they have pride for their country then why they are talking in English (foreign Language) in their own home.

Dec 20, 2013 10:01am EST  --  Report as abuse
sheeprancher1 wrote:

This is about the strip search. Standard policy for NY and Chicago with all intake processing.
US Federal have stated this is a violation of privacy
Lets how well you take this when its your Wife, Daughter, or Sister.

Dec 20, 2013 10:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
Whatsgoingon wrote:

“One wonders why there is so much outrage about the alleged treatment of the Indian national accused of perpetrating these acts, but precious little outrage about the alleged treatment of the Indian victim and her spouse,” Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara said in a statement on Wednesday.
Doesn’t he know the run-away slave was a criminal pursued by India government? I am growing curious why we insisted immigrating the maid’s family – are we bringing in all underpaid Indians? No wonder we can never borrow enough from the Chinese. Funny though that’s the country we wanted India to curb. Do we have a strategy with foreign policy?

Dec 20, 2013 10:35am EST  --  Report as abuse
ArunT wrote:

As an urban Indian (Delhi resident), I can share my perspective on this.

Firstly there has been a lot of stupidity demonstrated by government officials on both sides. USA should have dealt with the official with some cultural sensitivity. And Indian govt. shouldn’t be all too aggressive about a case that essentially relates to Visa fraud and Paying below Minimum Wages. Perhaps our joker politicians forget that law doesn’t bend for powerful as blatantly outside India as it does here. Don’t worry we too are really ashamed for our political class.

Domestic Labor Underpayment would be a big issue here but for the massive unemployment. This makes the few who work in this unorganized sector feel lucky to be employed. This has been perpetrated by even well off families that continue to pay these low salaries. This issue also needs to be addressed at the social level. Although I must add that we are really not that well off and this problem will truly only go away with more development and better education about social issues.

My personal apology on behalf of my fellow citizens for all the ruckus.

Dec 20, 2013 10:52am EST  --  Report as abuse
TruthFair wrote:

zbrowne
You are such an idiot. Cowardly anti-American idiot….

Dec 20, 2013 10:58am EST  --  Report as abuse
usa.wi.vet.4q wrote:

I am confused. We do not allow slaves, and this is very true when you are cheating them out of the money they are legally due. Throw this bum out after the cavity search is completed. Make sure there are not other laws being broken because it would seem India is lawless. They have diplomatic immunity, but they are not allowed to break our laws!! In India a gang rape would have been accepted as normal!! We do not need diplomats from this country if this is how they think and act.

Dec 20, 2013 10:59am EST  --  Report as abuse
EncEe wrote:

USA keep very good value of Law and Order ,also protect victims and hold accountable anyone who breaks the law “no matter how powerful, rich or connected they are”. and just look what India is trying secure full diplomatic immunity for Khobragade by shifting her to its UN mission in New York, after this Act of Indian Govt.WOW what a country , shame of World

Dec 20, 2013 11:09am EST  --  Report as abuse
Ayathamattom wrote:

When going thru the Reuters comments I feel like the number of racists and their intolerance is becoming a growing concern in America.

Dec 20, 2013 11:27am EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

A full cavity search over paperwork?

So when Mitt Romney was found to be employing an undocumented worker at one of his homes….. did he receive a full cavity search? Was he even charged? The answer to both is no. This is a case of raping a suspect and pretending like there was some legal need to do it. Clearly, the police do not NEED to do a cavity search in paperwork and labor cases.

Dec 20, 2013 11:33am EST  --  Report as abuse
juggernaut wrote:

A. This whole thing could have been avoided if the government of India hired the staff directly as full time workers and posted them to the consulate with appropriate salary and allowances for the assignment.

B. It appears that Preet Bharara wanted to not appear partial by going to the other extreme by persecuting the deputy consul. This is a common tendency in foreign born Americans.

C. It is not uncommon for sports persons, dancers/dansueses, small time actors from poorer countries jumping visa restrictions by disappearing. To wit, Cuban base ball players, dance troupe members from India etc. Sometimes they even pay to be part of the troupe. The unfortunate poor of India have been known to pay traffickers to traffic them to another country.

D. We should empathise with the maid too, but not give her carte blanche. We should suspect and investigate the Deputy Consul but be respectful and mindful of sensitivities of a diplomatic situation.

Dec 20, 2013 11:55am EST  --  Report as abuse
juggernaut wrote:

with regards to slavery or “rape culture”, vast majority of people do not condone it in India either

Dec 20, 2013 11:57am EST  --  Report as abuse
EncEe wrote:

India’s temerity and hypocrisy on this issue is beyond my
comprehension. Mistakes were made and the US has said sorry and we
all need to move on. By the way, what, we the innocents in India were
to make of what this lady did? She brought us nothing but shame to
India with unnecessary spotlight and in India we need to investigate.
If India keeps on milking on this issue, be forewarned, that all those
IT and IIT graduates will have a longer wait to get their visa to
study in the USA. Mark my words that India’s complaint against the US
visa regime, the unfairness and other litany of complaints will fall
on deaf ears. We in India treat women much worse than what she sadly
had to endure in the USA.

Dec 20, 2013 11:58am EST  --  Report as abuse
pyradius wrote:

Pretty funny actually, that those in public office apparently think they are above the law. I laugh at their treatment.

Additionally, I would laugh if any of our diplomats broke the law and were treated accordingly. So please all you whiners from India, get over yourselves.

Dec 20, 2013 12:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Whatsgoingon wrote:

“There has been little focus, however, on the predicament of the housekeeper, whose lawyer says was denied her wages, underpaid and now feels it would be unsafe to return to India.” Why is that a surprise? I hated but it’s a fact the Indian government got upper hand manipulating public opinion. On the US side we can’t event put together a consistent story what happened beyond claiming it’s routine. When we routinely flop like this nobody believes our story, let alone when we don’t have one, worse yet, we don’t even know who’s responsible for the story. The best we could help is buying stocks of popcorn makers.

Dec 20, 2013 12:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TedW14 wrote:

Maybe you Indians should stay home. Then you can underpay your workers as usual without interference.

Dec 20, 2013 12:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
umkomazi wrote:

@theovulator..

apologies for my “stats”….they’re just figures of speech here in limey-land & not intended as statements of fact:)

Though it does seem to us in the 51st State that there is a gun rampage almost weekly….

BTW nice to see you want to copy our NHS…works for my family – my daughter had open heart surgery …all done on said NHS & the greatest expense was traveling the 40 mile round trip to the hospital. To my mind – it’s a better use of general taxation than expending gargantuan sums on the military who just run around killing.

I’m not so sure you’re as ‘free’ as you might think in the US…’Patriot’ Act, NSA spying, your IRS probing every nook, cranny & bodily cavity….or maybe those things don’t get reported on US media? OK us Limey’s don’t live in Paradise…especially as we’re under the jackboot of The European 4th Reich…

Anyway have a good life :)

Dec 20, 2013 12:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
herestp wrote:

Indians should eat more hotdogs and pizza to see the American’s point of view!
Look closer, there is No Cavity Search. There got to be a video somewhere to show the truth!

Dec 20, 2013 12:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Herestp, there is no ‘American point of view.’ Americans agree on nothing. Therefore, I can only conclude that you are not American, and you are speaking for America anyway. Which is a very American thing to do. Welcome to American media.

Dec 20, 2013 12:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Whatsgoingon wrote:

@AlkalineState “Americans agree on nothing” LOL isn’t it what freedom supposed to be?

Dec 20, 2013 12:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MPPATEL wrote:

Lets America do per American law.
If you work with diplomats or under government, you do not have any rights to do illegal documents or any activities.

Dec 20, 2013 1:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Mott wrote:

Amazing how this maid from Kerala – Sangeeta Richard, exploited and fooled a number of systems including – US Social System, US INS, US Justice system, Indian and US Law-Enforcement systems – all for one simple and strong desire – “she had always wanted to work abroad” – that turned into her obsession of staying and bringing the whole family to US.

She started off her initial work abroad 12/12, with written letters stating –

‘This family is very nice. I’m not feeling I’m her servant. Children call me “Thai” – that means elder brother’s wife. They call me Sangeeta Thai. Madam is very nice’

and in desperation for a long-term visa, changed the story within 6 months – with threats and changing the story to – slavery, while rest of the US systems foolishly fall prey to support her stereo-typing.

Goes to show it doesn’t take that much to fool these supposed-to-be-mature systems.

Dec 20, 2013 1:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Mott wrote:

@EncEe – “.. If India keeps on milking on this issue, be forewarned, that all those IT and IIT graduates will have a longer wait to get their visa to study in the USA..”

Don’t worry – we have business lobbying on your side and they will insure unimpeded flow at any cost – after all, it’s their business.

Regrettable.

Dec 20, 2013 1:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
pyradius wrote:

Sorry people of India, our low-wage workers are not a part of the Caste system you seem to love and cherish, based on the outrage.

Dec 20, 2013 2:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Mooikut wrote:

Merry Christmas

Dec 20, 2013 2:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
herestp wrote:

@Alkaline State
I mean to say US is a Rule of Law nation. That means it does not matter how mighty you are, you will go to jail if you break the law. Remember Martha Stewart insider stock trading? She was jailed, maybe some leniency but still jailed. This means US is not going to look the other way even if you are a diplomat, in this case just a consular diplomat. You have to abide by US law while on US SOIL. India should save herself further embarrassment by agreeing to let US to deport this lady and forfeit the $250,000 bond money.

Dec 20, 2013 2:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
cirrus7 wrote:

Some nitwit on TV called the housekeeper “a slave” yet the report I said she was paid $3.35/hour, more than restaurant waitstaff are guaranteed. Often they work many hours while the place is closed for seving, earning under $3/hour.

The outraged lawyer can volunteer his services to those relying on tips, not the wages.

Dec 20, 2013 2:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Robot wrote:

The lady maid was spying for CIA her father in law works in US embassy in New Delhi. RAW figured it out, and the news got leaked to CIA by some means and they took Maid in control and get evacuated her family so RAW never figures out what she had leaked to her American Controller. This case has absolutely nothing to do with Labor minimum wage, this is to make sure Indian Government never gets back the agent.

Mr DA is going to take it on his face when this faces a judge (if it did) Guys go to Costo get a popcorn family pack and am expecting a movie next year on this conspiracy theory.

Dec 20, 2013 3:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

herestp writes: “US is a Rule of Law nation. That means it does not matter how mighty you are, you will go to jail if you break the law.”

That’s adorable. And Jon Corzine and the other executives at MF Global agree with you 100%. Law and order all the way. The system works :)

Dec 20, 2013 3:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MikeBarnett wrote:

India can choose not to purchase anything made in the US. Indians can accept money from US companies but not send money to US firms. India can increase trade with countries that the US opposes. Given the growing sizes of India’s population and economy, this policy will cause more problems for the US in the future than at present.

Dec 20, 2013 3:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
herestp wrote:

@AlkalineState
I know it stink to high heaven. Rule of Law in US or any other country usually means money spent to out lawyer the poorer opponent hoping to keep them quiet. Let’s just say democracy is more suitable for the Haves and not as great an idea for poorer people. It’s like having all the rights but little means to exercise them. Shameful system!

Dec 20, 2013 3:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Some alternative treatment (not cavity searches) for other recent crimes:

1) Jon Corzine fails to account for 1.8 billion in deposits from investors. Says the money was ‘misplaced somehow.’ No criminal charges filed.

2) Halliburton is found by GAO to have defrauded the federal government of 14 billion dollars through laundering and double-billing schemes. Told the money will be deducted from its upcoming contract payout. Continues on as contractor.

3) Mitt Romney found to be employing an undocumented worker in his home, advised by officials to discontinue her employment.

No cavity searches on any of the above. See? It can be done.

Dec 20, 2013 4:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
herestp wrote:

@AlkalineState
I know, this Cavity Search thing probably a law written by some insensitive male dominated legislature! In their mind they may be thinking about drug mules whether men and women. Imagine how easy it is for women to do that kind of thing. It’s disgusting really but if you look at the last three decade or so all these creative terrorists, drug traffickers they have defiled civilization. Before there is no such thing as hijacking, no such thing as cavity search but because of the creativity of a few high profile criminals the majority of us are all subjected to inconveniences in the airport and now this intrusive cavity search thing! So not sure if US is to be blamed, she just encounter more bad people that makes it impossible not to be more demanding in probing potential criminals.

The cases you mentioned I guess the circumstances does not warrant a cavity search, but if it relates to border crossing I think there will be one done. As I said the Indian lady was a victim of rigid laws written by a bunch of males!

Dec 20, 2013 4:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
onlyif wrote:

lol @ all the protesting Indians.

You guys need to relax… I can’t remember the last time people in a developed Western country took to the streets to complain about how one of our political elites was treated in a foreign country.

They are politicians after all. You know, the same political class most citizens despise.

Dec 20, 2013 5:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
WJL wrote:

USA is great!!!!

India well………………………..

Dec 20, 2013 5:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

I wonder if Rush Limbaugh received a cavity search upon being detained for possession of controlled substances. He does not talk much about that night on his 4-hour-per-day show. Maybe he doesn’t have time? :)

Dec 20, 2013 5:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MikeBarnett wrote:

We shall fight them at the Arby’s. We shall fight them at the Pizza Inn. We shall fight them at the Burger King and at the Whataburger. We shall defend our MacDonald’s to last drop of our blood. We shall never surrender.

Does anyone know why we are doing this? Don’t we have enough enemies in the world without picking fights with our friends? Didn’t Obama go to India to make a sales pitch for US products? I know that they only bought about $2 billion from the US and then bought $30 billion from Russia. Are we going to break relations with them over that? We know that they were a colony of Britain until 1947, long after US independence, and they get prickly about how much respect they receive. If you read your US history, we felt the same way until after WWI. Sometimes, the US appears to have some of the silliest and least educated leaders on earth.

Dec 20, 2013 6:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Whatsgoingon wrote:

@MikeBarnett “Don’t we have enough enemies in the world without picking fights with our friends?” Why do we need friends? We are the world’s police, making sure everyone on this planet follow US laws or face cavity searches…even though we trash our constitutions like toilet papers.
Think the other way, if we run out of enemies, how do we justify a defense spending that keeps pushing up the debt ceiling?

Dec 20, 2013 6:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:

How dare the USA treat an Indian 1% as a peasant. Rich corrupt connected people should never have to be treated like this no matter the circumstances.

Hmm wonder if she is actually not rich or not well connected. Bring her in for another body search. We have to show foreign diplomats we do not want poor scum as diplomats. They need to be very well connected or willing to pay their way thru living above the law.

Dec 20, 2013 7:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

@AlkalineState

I have seen no proof that she was cavity searched. It says she was strip searched. If you go to jail for any offense, including driving under the influence, writing bad checks, etc and you are there long enough for them to put you in orange garb, you have to strip and take a shower before you put that garb on. It isn’t a cavity search, it is for the health of all of the other inmates. If he had to put on orange garb, he had to do it too.

Dec 20, 2013 9:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ambassador99 wrote:

So, lets think through this. There are several Indians who work as domestic help at the US consular embassies. These are the ones who clean the consulate, bring coffee , clean etc. They are not offered US minimum wage :). US consulates are in the jurisdiction of USA. They should have been offered full benefits, pension etc as employees of US even if all they do is taking out trash. The same can be said of workers across all the US consulates and military bases across the globe.

Khobragade’s domestic help came with her, stayed with her and there was no instance of physical abuse or in humane treatment. As for wages, Most of the countries across the globe , India included , have minimum wages substantially less. In South India minimum wage is probably 100$ a month, and average salaries are apprx twice of that.

If the visa was secured for the diplomat who works at a embassy under Indian jurisdiction, why would you expect the worker to receive minimum wage compliant to US jurisdiction? If US wants to take the high road, you will add hundreds of thousands of workers to federal payroll over night, since these workers work at US embassies , In US jurisdiction and receive Indian pay scale wages.

Lets prosecute khobragade, but also include a earmark for all non US citizen employees that work at military installations and embassies across the globe. lets start with the latter first :)

Dec 20, 2013 9:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Sinbad1 wrote:

Regardless of the behavior of the Indian diplomat, to risk billions of dollars and thousands of American jobs is just crazy. If the US had gone through diplomatic channels and sent the diplomat back to India her career would have been over. She has now been turned into a martyr in India a national hero, Oh Magoo you’ve done it again.

Dec 20, 2013 10:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
OuterLimits wrote:

Pull all the customer service jobs out of India – there is nothing worse than getting one of them on the phone.

Dec 21, 2013 1:57am EST  --  Report as abuse
Neutralcritic wrote:

What do I see?

BREACH OF TRUST.

Sangeeta Richard: She is a mischievous character and did shameless breach of trust.

Devyani Khobragade: She has been a controversial character long before this incident and showed some over-cleverness in India and US as well. She bought a luxury flat in Adarsh Housing society,Mumbai where corresponding authority found some of her submitted documents are false.

I’d like to give here an analysis of this case from neutral viewpoint.

I suggest any journo to ask Sangeeta Richard why she came to america for work at $600/month salary. I know because I have the idea of indian domestic market. Can anybody ask her what she used to earn for the same amount of work in India? It’s $150-200/month max. Here there is no government regulation over domestic help’s salary. But everywhere in India the maids have their local association to rate their remuneration and all of them certainly get that much. Now Sangeeta, an ordinary maid got an offer to triple own income and also saw NY’s neon light. So she set sail. In US she came to know about the rules. Taking this advantage she started pressurizing own landlord to arrange a working visa for her and claimed the normal salary. Devyani denied. After that Sangeeta absconded and contacted local authority to take the shade of law. Devyani lodged an FIR at that time. Though I can’t infer what she argued to US govt officials and managed all the next steps but it’s a clear conspiracy that where if someone is unwilling to work in US any further should be deported to that person’s native land American govt brought rest of her family from India who are purely inidan national despite indian govt’s objection. Moreover Police arrests someone over complain from an absconding plaintiff is quite odd and only possible in America. Have anyone thought how police and surveillance agencies who can find Laden from Abbotabad of Pakistan can’t find a maid in 6 months who is hiding in America?

What did Devyani do exactly? She was well aware of the rules and that’s why she brought a maid from India. She had to lie in visa statement otherwise whole motion wouldn’t have even started. Devyani trusted Sangeeta and offered mutually profitable terms unofficially. She didn’t even hide original salary rate of american maids. Shrewd Sangeeta misused it to make own forune.

Here I would like to ask one question to all. In our life haven’t we, everybody, done anything out of law off the record? I think all did so quite a few times. Are we heading to end days of personal honesty and verbal commitment? People like Sangeeta Richard shows the way. It doesn’t bode well to humanity.

Bottom line: Sangeeta Richard is canny,liar & selfish off the record and Devyani Khobragade is criminal of only fraudulence charge on the record.

Dec 21, 2013 3:06am EST  --  Report as abuse
reghuram wrote:

The main point is she represents India. US authorities should have taken Indian Ambassider or Government of India into confidence. They should have intimate Indian embassy while she is in custody.

Let USA make cavity search the indian diplomat hourly basis and send her to firing squad or gas chamber. India’s main concern is USA insulted the diplomat, the Indian embassy, GoI and the people of India by not taking India into confidence. But Preet Bharra is successfull in implicating/indicting/incriminating and denegrating the diplomat, the Indian embassy, India and its people.

They should not have left the case to a prosecutor (Preet Bharara) who is incompetent in interantional relations. If due course action is not taken, in India, we drop the case and book the prosecutor and law enforcement officer. We do not know the practice of USA.

India handled taliban, Lasker-e-toiba and al-quida amd know how to handle this issue.

US has contributed to the world (eg. US Constitution) and India has also heritage and contributed to mankind.

From all these discussion our (India and US) hidden face and its hipocrisy has been exposed. Thanks.

Dec 21, 2013 4:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
hardquestions wrote:

Such senseless violence is uncalled for. Indians should demand answers and a fair trial for both “victims.”

Dec 21, 2013 12:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Robot wrote:

http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/types/types_2637.html#howto

This maid was on A-3 visa and this is what is stated by travel.state.gov. Basically these were gray areas even as per state department. Laws usually dont change in every 6 months other wise. At best it will be a non compliance even by judicial standards. Am sure these screw-head bureaucrats will figure a way out of this mess.

Minimum Wage. The contract must state the hourly wage to be paid to the domestic employee. The rate must be the greater of the minimum wage under U.S. Federal and state law, or the prevailing wage for all working hours. Information on the prevailing wage statistics by occupation and metropolitan area is available on the Department of Labor’s Online Wage Library & Data Center website.

The contract must state that wages will be paid to the domestic employee either weekly or biweekly. As of March 2011, the Department determined that no deductions are allowed for lodging, medical care, medical insurance, or travel. As of April 2012, deductions taken for meals are also no longer allowed.

Lets now do some math as per indictment and cnn reporting the maid was paid $3.31 per hour. How did CNN arrive at this number? Off course what ever she was paid daily divided by 8. Now Any dumb lawyer can argue she was only working 3.31 * 8 / 2 hrs = And getting paid $13.24 / hour. Well for doing some cooking in morning and evening is no more than a 2 hours job. So now its all compliant with our law book. This entire exercise is a farce and has evil Wills of some individuals. Even for her entire 6 months of service the entire back pay will be under $10K as per 8 hour calculation. When in a country no one goes to jail for swallowing 10 billion and making 80 year old retirees work at BK/MCD this is an utter nonsense.

Dec 21, 2013 12:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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