Early days of Obamacare bring trickle, not flood, of patients

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Bighammerman wrote:

All of Obama’s new taxes are set to kick in as part of the ACA, Bye Bye middle class! Hope all of you like what you voted for.

Jan 04, 2014 10:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
Harry079 wrote:

Yesterday I called the Help Center for the tenth time since I completed my application and created an account on November 30.

Every Help Center Representative I talked to since then has been very polite and apologetic for the glitch that believes for some reason that I am currently INCACERATED.

After many hours on the phone working with a different Help Center Represenative each time they were able to push my ENROLLMENT through to the very last step before actually getting coverage.

Before yesterday the last Representative I talked to suggested I upload a testimony or affidavid stating that I was not now or ever have been INCARCERATED.

I did what she requested on December 31 and called yesterday to see if they received and accepted that letter. When I called yesterday I asked to speak to a Resolution Specialist and the Representative tranfered me to one.

The Resolution is:

1. I had to make an appointment with the Chief of Policeof my city and get a Noterized Statement that I am not currently or even recently been INCARCERATED.

2. I have to make a copy of this letter and sent it Registered Mail to the Help Center in London Kentucky.

The Resolution Specialist did push my enrollment in the plan that best fit my wife and I through and as soon as I can make the first payment my coverage will start.

If I can’t get this INCARCERATION glitch fixed by March 1st my coverage will be cancelled and I could probably go to PRISON for real.

I don’t know how many other people have had this same problem but I do know there are others out there. I feel that like the last 5 weeks has been spent arguing with a brick wall. The wall knows I’m not in prison but can’t tell from which side of the wall I’m calling from.

Jan 04, 2014 10:44am EST  --  Report as abuse
basha10 wrote:

Obamacare is a seriously failed system. I’ll tell you why. A friend of mine landed himself in the hospital in Dallas. No insurance. He was taken by ambulance. Pretty busted up. Broken foot, broken elbow, broken shoulder, 3 broken ribs, one of which punctured his lung and a fractured back. The kept him in the hospital FOUR days and threw him out. They refused to give him any pain medication and said he needed surgery. He’s broken inside and out at his mother in law’s place in Ft. Worth. Obamacare was created by Obama because he was tired of seeing people turned away for care. Unbelievable. Let’s hope my friend has a miracle. This shouldn’t be.

Jan 04, 2014 10:51am EST  --  Report as abuse
JaySimon wrote:

Because I do not qualify for a subsidy and cannot afford even the cheapest policy on the exchanges, I wonder into which statistical report I will be counted. I had insurance…now I won’t. So, how will we know when Obamacare is WORKING. From where I am sitting, it is not working yet.

Jan 04, 2014 11:03am EST  --  Report as abuse
Des3Maisons wrote:

Just to be clear, the problems with the ACA website are not Obama’s fault as the Republicans would have everyone believe. They are the fault of the government contractor who was supposed to get the job done and didn’t. This is Corporate America, the god of the Republican party. Note that there has been no criticism at all from the Republicans directed toward this corporation. I wonder if that has anything to do with the filling of Republican campaign war chests. And, in all of the articles about the ACA that have appeared, how many times has this corporation been named by our corporate news media?

Jan 04, 2014 11:04am EST  --  Report as abuse
Speaker2 wrote:

Funny how Republicans cannot come up with a better healthcare solution. All they know is how to try and tear down something.

Jan 04, 2014 11:45am EST  --  Report as abuse
david6 wrote:

The WHOLE TRUTH is that has been a net loss of 2.7 million people covered by insurance as a result of the ACA. According to gov’t statistics as of 1/1/14, 2 million people have signed up for service, and 4.7 million policies were CANCELLED in 2013. For documentation, see http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/item/17309-official-obamacare-launch-more-insurance-cancellations-than-enrollments.

Jan 04, 2014 11:51am EST  --  Report as abuse
pebbles14 wrote:

Will Obamacare be repealed or won’t it? Will Congress fund it or won’t it? Will the web site be fixed or not? Blah, blah, blah. We the people just need to do what we need to do and Congress be damned. Resist. Refuse. Revolt. EXEMPT OURSELVES! We did not comply with Prohibition and we simply should not comply with Obamacare. For religious reasons. For privacy reasons. For the cause of liberty and freedom and in protest of the idea that the federal government (under one party rule, no less), can force private citizens to purchase anything with our own money. Are we citizens or subjects? Mice or (wo)men? Just say NO to socialism and to the corrupt, unionized, far left IRS: the gestapo of America’s political class. After all, the federal government ignores millions of illegals who are breaking U.S. immigration law every day. Our Founders pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor. All we have to do is just say no to a scheme we all know is un-American and a violation of our most basic founding fundamentals of privacy, self reliance, limited government and individual freedom.
How To Opt Out Of Obamacare

Know your options and become savvy self-pay patients

Join a health care sharing ministry. These are voluntary, charitable membership organizations that agree to share medical bills among the membership. They function similar to insurance, and are probably the best alternative to conventional health insurance. There are four of them, at least that I know of. Three are open only to practicing Christians (Samaritan Ministries, Christian Healthcare Ministries, and Christian Care Ministry) while a fourth, Liberty HealthShare, is open to anyone who agrees with their ethical commitment to religious liberty. They operate entirely outside of Obamacare’s regulations, and typically offer benefits for about half the cost of similar health insurance. Members are also exempt from having to pay the tax for being uninsured.

From the article by Sean Parnell

http://thefederalist.com/2013/12/04/opt-obamacare/#.Up9MwGKiM_o.email

Jan 04, 2014 12:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
LMP1979 wrote:

The fourth paragraph is ridiculously biased. Seriously Reuters. Did you guys just do a cut and paste from a Democrat Party blog?

Jan 04, 2014 12:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
dualcitizen wrote:

Des3Maisons: You should come out of Mommy and Daddy’s basement more often. You somehow don’t seem to have seen or read or heard that the ccompany hired by your savior is a Canadian company headed by one of Michelle’s schoolmates and friends, and that it had screwed up work done for the Canadian government as well. So, everything in your post is inaccurate and a lie. Typical liberal post.

Jan 04, 2014 12:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
dualcitizen wrote:

For those that don’t know about history … Here is a condensed version
Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.
The two most important events in all of history were the invention of beerand the invention of the wheel.The wheel was invented to get man to the beer. These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:
1 . Liberals
2. Conservatives.
Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so while our early humans were sittingaround waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery.That’s how villages were formed.
Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at nightwhile they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement…
Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ’s and doing the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing.This was the beginning of the Liberal movement. Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. They became known as girlie-men. Some note worthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided
Over the years conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by the jackass for obvious reasons.
Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare. Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamersinHollywood and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn’t fair to make the pitcher also bat.
Conservatives drink domestic beer, mostly Bud or Miller. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks,construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, engineers, corporate executives, athletes, members of the military, airline pilots and generally anyone who works productively.
Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.
Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America .. They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for nothing.
Here ends today’s lesson in world history:
It should be noted that a Liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the above before forwarding it.
A Conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other true believers and to more liberals just to piss them off.
And there you have it. Let your next action reveal your true self…..I’m going to have another beer.

Jan 04, 2014 1:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
dualcitizen wrote:

For those that don’t know about history … Here is a condensed version
Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.
The two most important events in all of history were the invention of beerand the invention of the wheel.The wheel was invented to get man to the beer. These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:

1 . Liberals
2. Conservatives.

Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so while our early humans were sittingaround waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery.That’s how villages were formed.

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at nightwhile they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement…

Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ’s and doing the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing.This was the beginning of the Liberal movement. Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. They became known as girlie-men. Some note worthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided

Over the years conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by the jackass for obvious reasons.

Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare. Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamersinHollywood and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn’t fair to make the pitcher also bat.
Conservatives drink domestic beer, mostly Bud or Miller. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks,construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, engineers, corporate executives, athletes, members of the military, airline pilots and generally anyone who works productively.

Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America .. They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for nothing.

Here ends today’s lesson in world history:

It should be noted that a Liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the above before forwarding it.

A Conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other true believers and to more liberals just to piss them off.

And there you have it. Let your next action reveal your true self…..I’m going to have another beer.

Jan 04, 2014 1:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
chardest wrote:

up to 6 MILLION policies cancelled…up to 3 people covered on these individual market policies…

the best interpretation ONLY 6 million people have LOST their coverage

the worst interpretation UP to 18 MILLION people have LOST their coverage

vs 3-4 anecdotes about people who got obamacareTAX coverage

Jan 04, 2014 2:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
segesta wrote:

“As many as 7 million” are supposed to sign up? What happened to the 47 million supposedly ruined and destitute because of their lack of health insurance?

Jan 04, 2014 2:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
david6 wrote:

Despite the warnings of what would happen when millions of new people came into health insurance system, it seems that the ACA has resulted in a net loss of 2.7 million insured people in America.

:More than 4.7 million Americans had their health insurance canceled as a result of any of the thousand-plus-page law’s new rules … but the Department of Health and Human Services confirmed Tuesday that between federal and state exchanges, just two million Americans have signed up for ObamaCare coverage.”

Jan 04, 2014 2:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse

I hope the GOP keeps right on yelling the sky is falling over the ACA, it’ll definitely help the dems in the mid term elections.

The ACA is one of the biggest IT projects this country has ever seen, if it was left to the GOP to implement something this complex, it would have failed even more spectacularly than the last big GOP IT project, ORCA, which embarrassed the GOP in front of the entire world.

Listen, we’re converting the world’s largest economy to a brand new universal health care platform for the first time in history, there are going to be plenty of hitches.

That doesn’t mean improving health care isn’t worth doing.

Jan 04, 2014 2:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
divinargant wrote:

I’m sure the delay that the article refers to is weather related. If I was advising Obama I would suggest he advise others in PR to toss that little bit out on the stoop and see if the cats lick it up.

Jan 04, 2014 3:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TreyStone wrote:

Kill This PIG.
Do NOT Comply.

Jan 04, 2014 6:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
foiegras wrote:

There’s either a flood of patients or a drought – depends on what collection of cliches are stored in the part of your brain that used to be used for critical thinking (back in the Stone Age).

There’s no shortage of patients or cliches in this country. And the abysmal healthcare delivery system we have is the direct result of what passes for thinking, problem solving in America.

Jan 04, 2014 6:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
4825 wrote:

Well, the first days of obamacare bring a trickle instead of a flood. No kidding. And all the insane liberals told you that the country was so badly in need of obamacare. They remind me of Chicken Little. The sky is always falling in their liberal world.

Jan 04, 2014 7:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Greenspan2 wrote:

“Senate Republicans opposed to the law seized on scattered media reports of a handful of people having difficulty confirming their new insurance policies”
In yet another example of farcical American democracy, Republicans are now searching for and applauding any shortcoming to American “citizens” in having affordable health care. God forbid that someone’s life should actually have value beyond being a consumer or producer contributing to the national GDP and the bottom line of the Congressional Republicans corporate sponsors. Rah, rah America.

Jan 05, 2014 12:33am EST  --  Report as abuse
Bookfan wrote:

You can say what you want about the convenience. But I got the best plan they’d sell me, a plan with a $1500 deductible and full dental, for $466 a month, and I’m over 55.

I could not have come close to that price a year ago with a plan that had 5X the deductible, would not have covered my various per-existing conditions, and would have kicked me off after a serious medical event.

Freeloaders and fools can pay the fine, you will also pay the bill if you get in an accident or become sick.

Jan 05, 2014 1:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
SeniorMoment wrote:

Even with health insurance, health care is extraordinarily expensive compared to other, more essential living costs, so don’t expect a flood of patients willing to be made poor by their deductibles and co-pays. Those who bought the low end insurance are going to remain reluctant patients for certain, unless they qualify for the Medicaid expansion which left out about half the states the first year.

Jan 05, 2014 8:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
Harry079 wrote:

WhyMeLord wrote:
@Harry079,

“If you really aren’t incarcerated now, you certainly should be.”

I’m only following the law. If My wife and me don’t sign up we will be FINED by the IRS. I didn’t vote for this law but I’m certainly going to follow it!

Jan 05, 2014 12:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ejhickey wrote:

no flood of patients? maybe americans aren’t as sick as was thought. matbe the ACA was not really needed.

Jan 05, 2014 1:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
cupera1 wrote:

There are 7 million canceled policies with ~19 million people left with out health insurance. 2.1 million claimed to get coverage through the state and federal system, 80%-90% to be getting Medicare. The remaining only 50% have let to pay the premiums yet. The ones that have paid are being turned away from hospitals and doctors because they have no insurance card or proof they have coverage.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2532869/They-no-idea-insurance-active-not-At-Virginia-hospitals-Obamacare-confusion-reigns-frustrated-patients-walk-out.html

Jan 05, 2014 3:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
cupera1 wrote:

There are 7 million canceled policies with ~19 million people left with out health insurance. 2.1 million claimed to get coverage through the state and federal system, 80%-90% to be getting Medicare. The remaining only 50% have let to pay the premiums yet. The ones that have paid are being turned away from hospitals and doctors because they have no insurance card or proof they have coverage.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2532869/They-no-idea-insurance-active-not-At-Virginia-hospitals-Obamacare-confusion-reigns-frustrated-patients-walk-out.html

Jan 05, 2014 3:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
cupera1 wrote:

There are 7 million canceled policies with ~19 million people left with out health insurance. 2.1 million claimed to get coverage through the state and federal system, 80%-90% to be getting Medicare. The remaining only 50% have let to pay the premiums yet. The ones that have paid are being turned away from hospitals and doctors because they have no insurance card or proof they have coverage.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2532869/They-no-idea-insurance-active-not-At-Virginia-hospitals-Obamacare-confusion-reigns-frustrated-patients-walk-out.html

Jan 05, 2014 3:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
cupera1 wrote:

There are 7 million canceled policies with ~19 million people left with out health insurance. 2.1 million claimed to get coverage through the state and federal system, 80%-90% to be getting Medicare. The remaining only 50% have let to pay the premiums yet. The ones that have paid are being turned away from hospitals and doctors because they have no insurance card or proof they have coverage.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2532869/They-no-idea-insurance-active-not-At-Virginia-hospitals-Obamacare-confusion-reigns-frustrated-patients-walk-out.html

Jan 05, 2014 3:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AZreb wrote:

Since insurers, hospitals and doctors are trying to work out the “hitches” in Obamacare, where does that leave those who have enrolled? Many are probably still trying to find out if they are actually entitled to what they signed up for rather than take a chance and be treated and then face a big bill or deductible. How many have received a policy? A card? Actual proof they are enrolled?

Jan 06, 2014 7:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
AZreb wrote:

Since insurers, hospitals and doctors are trying to work out the “hitches” in Obamacare, where does that leave those who have enrolled? Many are probably still trying to find out if they are actually entitled to what they signed up for rather than take a chance and be treated and then face a big bill or deductible. How many have received a policy? A card? Actual proof they are enrolled?

Jan 06, 2014 7:19am EST  --  Report as abuse
safetygoal wrote:

@dualcitizen: That is the funniest post I’ve read in months. Love it!!!

Jan 06, 2014 12:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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