Obama-backed jobless bill clears Republican roadblock

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DMTurner wrote:

I hope that Republicans do not plan on making a political point out of this issue. A measure that actually helps people who have worked, who have contributed, is much different than the other social welfare programs they oppose. The unemployed are not living in luxury or wasting their UC benefits.

Jan 06, 2014 9:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DMTurner wrote:

I hope that Republicans do not plan on making a political point out of this issue. A measure that actually helps people who have worked, who have contributed, is much different than the other social welfare programs they oppose. The unemployed are not living in luxury or wasting their UC benefits.

Jan 06, 2014 9:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Mott wrote:

Regrettable that has become a near permanent feature instead of addressing the root-cause of job losses, head-on.

WTO must be laughing all the way, while we allow the unimpeded duty free imports that rob most local jobs.

Jan 07, 2014 11:32am EST  --  Report as abuse
PeachBottom wrote:

The GOP-Tea Party wants to get their grubby little hands on that FICA money that has been paid for by the employed and the unemployed that had been working for years.

Jan 07, 2014 11:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
SanPa wrote:

Our congress gleefully accepts donor contributions from those promoting the outsourcing of manufacturing and services, while throwing a bone by way of extended unemployment benefits. Perhaps, the cancellation of H1B and H2B visas while concomitantly affording employer credits for new employee training would do more for the economy.

Jan 07, 2014 11:47am EST  --  Report as abuse
4825 wrote:

Extending unemployment benefits for long periods of time encourages one to wait before finding a job. It is supposed to be a short term helping mechanism between jobs. Being unemployed is not a job in and of itself. Democrats just looking to buy more votes with tax payer money, nothing new there.

Jan 07, 2014 12:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Overcast451 wrote:

And while you are jobless….

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/01/05/see-what-you-bought-michelle-obama-for-her-50th-birthday-92448

Jan 07, 2014 12:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gtt3 wrote:

I don’t get it, wasn’t the stoppage of these benefits in the bipartisan spending bill the Democrats hailed as evidence that they can compromise with Republicans? I don’t recall any outcry from Senator Murray or many other Democrats during that time.

Now immediately afterwards they’re pulling a 180 on everything they believed was acceptable to compromise on in the spending bill? Democrats aren’t supposed to be stooping to Republican lows for political posturing…this is embarrassing.

Jan 07, 2014 12:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gee.la wrote:

In America, you want to be super rich or to be without a job or both. You don’t want to be a middle class.

Jan 07, 2014 12:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
chuck2 wrote:

Yep, least productive Congress ever, who probably got automatic pay raises (which none discuss) and establishes legislative priority by lobby money input, now wants to deny citizens unemployment as “to expensive”. How ironic of them, how truly hypocritical of them, again.

Jan 07, 2014 12:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gee.la wrote:

The point of education in America is to teach its kids or pupils how not to be a hard working middle class.

Jan 07, 2014 12:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gee.la wrote:

And how to take advantage of governmental intervention.

Jan 07, 2014 12:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rustic36 wrote:

WOW- – I just listened to ”POTUS” use the ”MAMA Nancy” theory of economics in an attempt persuade listeners that extending ”EMERGENCY” unemployment benefits – - -GROWS THE ECONOMY AND CREATES JOBS ! ! !SERIOUSLY? ? ? ? ? How many LIES are these people allowed? ? Or perhaps – - ”they” actually are that STUPID! ! I actually took ECO 101- – that is NOT the way the system works. For one thing ask yourself where does the $ $ $ come from? ? YOU have to BORROW it from SOMEWHERE ! ! Secondly- – ”IF” this ECO theory were ”TRUE”- – -wouldn’t it make sense to just place ”EVERYONE” on unemployment insurance- – - then the economy would really be on a TEAR! ! !Businesses would be going crazy just trying to keep up with DEMAND! HOW COMPLETELY ”DUMB” ARE THESE PEOPLE WHO- – - ”YOU” voted for are ? ? ? ? ?

Jan 07, 2014 12:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gee.la wrote:

Anyway, this is a good skill for self-fulfilling. You don’t need math, you don’t need computer knowledge, you don’t need other working experience and skills, when you master this only, you will have a good future. The government will be happier to help you, as long as you are lazy enough.

Jan 07, 2014 12:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Incomewise wrote:

Dear SanPa: I agree with you 100%. The USA education system got taken over by the Mafia (unions. NO books, lousy teachers who say they won’t spoon feed (that is what you do to nuture), teachers who want high pensions, pay, and summers off. No new books can be afforded, etc. The college system is the same only difference is who pays. The US is going down the toilet due to government unions (Mafia). If we educated our own we would not need to import. But the importer, notice, is usually a foreigner who wants to import his homeland. I have noticed, No american is smart enough but his buddy at home is.

Jan 07, 2014 1:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gee.la wrote:

The cruel reality is the more money you give to them, the poorer they will get. You are depriving the meaning of life of them by giving them money with no visible strings attached. You are murdering them with these unseeable strings. You will see the low society of poor becomes overcrowded, with more and more middle class are joined to it.

Jan 07, 2014 1:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse

@overcast451, So are you proposing that there be no Secret Service protection for Mrs. Obama? Get serious man.

Jan 07, 2014 1:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse

On another note, got to love the righties, no problem with subsidizing profitable corporations, but when there is any talk about helping out workers who have sacrificed in order to make corporations more profitable, no way we can do that. And they wonder why our economy is in the doldrums with low consumer spending, but their choice of trickle down economics is the root cause of most of the lack of consumer spending, large amounts of income in-equality.

Jan 07, 2014 1:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gee.la wrote:

With more and more middle class being joined to it. The middle class is the loser in everything of this governmental intervention. When American middle class disappears, America see its end. So democracy itself cannot promise a good land, instead, less governmental intervention can.

Jan 07, 2014 1:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jbeech wrote:

I don’t mind helping someone, I believe it’s part of the American way. However, at the back of my mind is this; is the help open-ended?

Basically, for how long are we going to help? First it was weeks, then 6 months, then a year. How long does it continue?

That’s all I want to know – and absent a coherent answer, I believe it’s time to pull the plug and leave folks to fend for themselves.

Jan 07, 2014 1:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
herbxerx wrote:

@USAPragmatist2 … Yes why no right-leaning outrage regarding corporate welfare? I believe a quote from Chomsky applies here: “There are no conservatives in the United States. The United States does not have a conservative tradition. The people who call themselves conservatives, like the Heritage Foundation or Gingrich, are … radical statists. They believe in a powerful state, but a welfare state for the rich.”

Jan 07, 2014 1:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Yashmak wrote:

“And they wonder why our economy is in the doldrums with low consumer spending,”

The answer is obvious. Because government spending doesn’t stimulate real demand. It only temporarily enhances demand (if at all).

Numerous university studies have demonstrated that for every 2 weeks of unemployment benefit extension, average unemployment time increases by a week. The conclusion is clear, that extending benefits provides an incentive NOT to work. Moreover, the very debt incurred by extending benefits itself weighs down the economy.

Got to love USAPragmatist2, who has apparently never heard of the long view.

Jan 07, 2014 1:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gee.la wrote:

The history of American development is a history of less governmental intervention. Although there were economic crises, the economy always looked forward and pushed America to be the best example of free lands. Recent decades, with more governmental intervention, America is degenerating and losing man powers. Protecting the poors by giving them money only makes them poorer and more hopeless or desperate. It cannot help consumer spending without boosting the people’s intrinsic self-fulfilling. When everyone is looking for others’ help, is there any hope in this country? Only a stupid, helpless and hopeless country, nothing else. Why so many H1Bs? Because American governmental intervention has made many American people so stupid that they cannot fulfill the positions than need any skill.

Jan 07, 2014 1:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
chekovmerlin wrote:

Let’s see. How can we pay for this without raising taxes? 1) End the farm subsidy bill for the rich farmers who don’t even farm and live in big cities waxing fat off of the subsidies meant for family farmers who actually farm. 2) End the oil depletion allowance on oil companies which is corporate welfare. That should do it probably for a year or more.

Jan 07, 2014 2:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
chekovmerlin wrote:

I notice that the “righties” say nothing about off-shoring our manufacturing so there are no jobs here. Our “righties,” never talk about big subsidies for rich people who own farms or pieces of land but don’t farm them and/or live in places like New York City, Chicago, Washington D.C., Alexandria, VA., Los Angeles and just draw money for land that couldn’t be farmed anyway. I notice that the “righties” think nothing of increasing the MIC so they have jobs killing people but want to have the poor in this country die. They just want to murder the people who they don’t want to look at and realize they are partly to blame. Some human beings, these “righties.”

Jan 07, 2014 2:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
chekovmerlin wrote:

Most of these comments from the “righties” did not grow up during the Great Depression. They know nothing of privation and starvation. Neither do they realize that at some point in time, those who are down and out and have no future to look forward to as well as their kids will take matters into their own hands. They have never heard the words to the song, “Just Give Me back my job again.” First lines: “I don’t want your diamonds, Mister, . . .Just give me back my job again.” “I don’t want your mansions mister, just give me back my job again.” Think about it.

Jan 07, 2014 2:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gee.la wrote:

Why did America need to be independent? Because Americans wanted to be free from British government intervention. In general, the colonies wanted to get more self-fulfillment and development by establishing more self-confidence. Governmental intervention only damages this self-confidence. America is gradually becoming a nation in deficiency of self-confidence. This is a huge change from the past several centuries. This change is making America the second country and probably the third country.

Jan 07, 2014 2:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
4825 wrote:

Republicans are trying to do the sensible thing and pay for this increased spending that Obama and the Democrats want to do. The Democrats just want to tax, spend, borrow and repeat. The country can not continue with the liberal spend, spend, spend policies just so they can try to buy more votes. Goes to the liberal game plan of divide and conquer, whereby they try to split the country down economic or social lines and play to one side verses the other. We see it all the time from them.

Jan 07, 2014 2:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gee.la wrote:

This question will be asked in the future, can America keep its status as a second country? It’s a big question mark, isn’t it?

Jan 07, 2014 2:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse

@Yashmak, if you notice I said that consumer spending is low is because of the large amount of income inequality, mostly due to ‘trickle-down’ economics. I mentioned nothing about government spending.

But since you brought it up, normally governments stimulate economies FISCALLY (with things like infrastructure improvements or other public works programs) during periods of economic downturns, and then when times are better they pay down the debts incurred during the bad times. Unfortunately due to political reasons, we have been doing the exact opposite,from 02-07 during ‘good’ economic times we increased deficits immensely (mostly due to the Bush tax cuts, more trickle down economics, the increase in military spending and Medicare Part D that was passed in an unfunded nature) then after the economy tanks we have the anti-Obama crowd suddenly start complaining about government deficits, so we implement austerity when should be doing more Stimulus. After all the vast majority of economists believe that the ‘Stimulus’ enacted in 2009 helped to avert another Depression.

This has been proven to work, yet the GOP is so anti-science/education it does not matter that it has been proven to work. According to them it doesn’t.

Jan 07, 2014 2:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gee.la wrote:

You are too stupid and unconfident. No job can be given to you. Don’t sing any song until facing this fact. Jobs are only looking for suitable seekers.

Jan 07, 2014 2:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bingogold wrote:

Hope the printing press is ready….big order coming.

Jan 07, 2014 2:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gee.la wrote:

Most H1B visas are for extremely low skill workers. Why so low positions cannot be filled by Americans. Americans have higher intelligence and normally considered to be hard workers. Why are so diligent generations losing skill so quickly? It isn’t personal. Its cause can only be found from its government, not from its people. When people are bonded to the policy of government, they aren’t free people. They tend to be different, like slaves, the slaves of given money with no string attached. The free money itself is the damned string. Money cannot be given free. This is the principle of a living soul.

Jan 07, 2014 3:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
grassroot wrote:

It’s Obmer’s policies that require this jobless support
as he has done all he possibly ca do to suppress jobs and creation of new ones. This Ober care is the worst destructors of jobs
ever. And destroying the middle class is his chief aim.
Doing a good job of it too.

Jan 07, 2014 3:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse

USAPragmatist2 wrote:
“On another note, got to love the righties, no problem with subsidizing profitable corporations, but when there is any talk about helping out workers who have sacrificed in order to make corporations more profitable, no way we can do that.”

Not only that – they’ve got no problem with politicians “buying votes” with promises of never-ending tax breaks and decreased regulation, but have all sorts of fits when they try to do things that help people who are ACTUALLY struggling. Hypocritical to say the least.

How is that people (ironically, many of whom are poor and uneducated) still buy into trickle down economics that have failed miserably over the last several decades?

“If you give rich people enough money, they will wave a magic wand and create economic prosperity for all! (If it’s not working, it’s just because you haven’t given them enough money yet)”

Give me a break.

Jan 07, 2014 4:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Jason555 wrote:

I am so sick of King Obama and his socialist policies. How many people could have been helped with the taxpayers dollars that was spent on his Hawaii vacation not to mention the additional cost of now having to fly his wife back to DC on another flight. I would like a refund of my tax dollars for this trip. This guy should be impeached for the rape of the American taxpayer and violations of the Constitution.

Jan 07, 2014 4:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse

@USofRationality, you ask ‘How is that people (ironically, many of whom are poor and uneducated) still buy into trickle down economics that have failed miserably over the last several decades?’ I am dumbfounded by this myself, I have two theories…

1. They hope that some day they will be rich.
2. Those less educated and less able to think for themselves are more susceptible to being duped. There is a reason that those with college degrees are more likely to vote Democratic then those that do not.

Jan 07, 2014 4:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse

I forgot to post a link supporting my 2nd claim…http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2012/nov/05/larry-sabato/education-level-tied-voting-tendencies/

Jan 07, 2014 4:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
cocosimmi wrote:

I can appreciate the president’s effort to help the needy in America just like the former president Bush did several times.
Good jobs have been on the decline since the Clinton era and our leaders continue to make trade deals claiming their creating jobs.
Unfortunately the jobs aren’t in America and a lot of what’s being imported is inferior to the quality that Americans expect.
The blame game is getting pretty old and the 30 to 40 billion dollar a month trade deficit is nothing but government anarky.
When does capitol hill realize the new world order is nothing but corporate anarky decaying the moral of America? Or is our government nothing but anarky and mafia?

Jan 07, 2014 4:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jgh59 wrote:

gee.la – H1B Visa: “The regulations define a “”specialty occupation”" as requiring theoretical and practical application of a body of highly specialized knowledge in a field of human endeavor[1] including but not limited to biotechnology, chemistry, architecture, engineering, mathematics, physical sciences, social sciences, medicine and health, education, law, accounting, business specialties, theology, and the arts, and requiring the attainment of a bachelor’s degree or its equivalent as a minimum.” (from Wikipedia) Doesn’t sound too “low skill” to me. Most of these visas are given to Indians or Asians with high level degrees that are willing to work for less money than their US counterparts.

Not that I am in favor of these visas or at least the expansion of their use, there are plenty of unemployed US citizen college grads with technical degrees to fill many of these jobs. Not everything is the government’s fault; much can be traced to greed – why pay a living wage to a citizen when you can pay a non-citizen two thirds or half that amount because that wage is king’s ransom in their native country.

Jan 07, 2014 4:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jgh59 wrote:

gee.la – H1B Visa: “The regulations define a “”specialty occupation”" as requiring theoretical and practical application of a body of highly specialized knowledge in a field of human endeavor[1] including but not limited to biotechnology, chemistry, architecture, engineering, mathematics, physical sciences, social sciences, medicine and health, education, law, accounting, business specialties, theology, and the arts, and requiring the attainment of a bachelor’s degree or its equivalent as a minimum.” (from Wikipedia) Doesn’t sound too “low skill” to me. Most of these visas are given to Indians or Asians with high level degrees that are willing to work for less money than their US counterparts.

Not that I am in favor of these visas or at least the expansion of their use, there are plenty of unemployed US citizen college grads with technical degrees to fill many of these jobs. Not everything is the government’s fault; much can be traced to greed – why pay a living wage to a citizen when you can pay a non-citizen two thirds or half that amount because that wage is king’s ransom in their native country.

Jan 07, 2014 4:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

I’m an Obama man but…. put the long-term unemployed to work in camps, like we did in the Depression. Then they won’t be unemployed. There are 15 million acres of dead trees in the western U.S. that need to be cleared out so new trees can grow. These forests (killed by pine beetles) could be turned into fuel or pressed lumber. If these folks do not already know how to run a chainsaw…. teach them. We’ve done it before.

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jjparkerjim wrote:

How many illegal aliens do we have working in our nation in construction and other high paying jobs that Americans used to do? If we could rid our nation of at least half of those illegal’s working in construction, we would go a long way in employing our legal citizens. If you walk onto any construction site in our nation you would be very angry to see who is doing that work. Work that was once reserved for Americans is now being done by Mexicans Peruvians, and a host of other than Americans.

Jan 07, 2014 4:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
wildbiker wrote:

Lame headline. Characterizing folks who ask ‘How are you paying for this?’ as a roadblock and Obama as backing this. Remember it’s not been more than a few weeks that a budget deal was brokered without any new revenue. Now the Democrats want to spend more doing the very thing that was taken out of budget deal to get a compromise. They wouldn’t cut then, they won’t cut now. It’s all for political theater and something to demagogue to counter the screams about Obamacare.

Jan 07, 2014 4:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gee.la wrote:

Don’t need you tell me anything about H1B. I know how low the ‘speciality’ skill it needs. 100 years ago, what you described might be call high skills, but now they are all low skills or extremely low skills with the felicity of computers. For example, the chemistry or health science or anything else, it is only the same principles binding with the data reading. Simply, if you aren’t blind and can read the screen, you are supposed to master the skill. The reality is totally different from before when people really needed to think. Now, overwhelming majority of skillful workers needn’t to think of anything. They only need to follow the screens, to read and to do simple talks, react like a skillful robots. Their bosses also suppose they react in this simple way. If the world is running as Wikipedia tells you, this world is totally different. I cannot imagine what the world will be.

Jan 07, 2014 4:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
4825 wrote:

Liberals believe that taxes are a great thing, especially when you have to pay the tax and they don’t. They are great at taking (taxing) other folks money and spending it to buy votes. They act like not taking your money is doing you a huge favor and they call it a “tax break”. Liberals want you to believe that all the money that you have made belongs to the government, and if they decide to give you some of the money back it is out of the goodness of their heart. It wasn’t yours to begin with. If you don’t believe it just look at USofRationality’s post above. He believes and wants you to agree that a liberal buying votes with tax money the government confiscated from you in taxes is a good thing. But in the case of the government not taxing an entity or individual, a “subsidy” in his mind, he wants you to believe that is a bad thing. In his mind that individual and corporate money was the government’s money and he wants us to believe that the “tax break or subsidy” is just taking money out of the government (and his) pocket. His last sentence about “giving rich people money” sums it all up. He believes the money they made is not their money, just like Barrack Obama believes “you didn’t make that”. Socialism is the word for this thinking.

Jan 07, 2014 5:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
COindependent wrote:

For those of you contrasting tax “breaks” for corporations versus handouts for the chronically unemployed, I will take exceptions to tax “breaks” for those “paying taxes” as compared to tax credits and reimbursements to those paying no federal taxes whatsoever. As stated by others, unemployment is designed to help cover you while you find another job–not a long term benefit. (remember just a few years back you could take unemployment for 104 weeks.)

I think at last count the percentage was approaching 40% of households do not pay any federal taxes, and some even receive a “refund” over and above what they do NOT pay.

Growing up, I learned that if you worked hard and were successful, you were able to keep more of what you earned. Then I read the responses on this website, many who believe that any citizen paying 50% of his total income in taxes (local, state and fed) is not paying enough.

Y’all criticize the so-called wealthy, while I know dozens of people striving for financial security–which in your perspective makes them part of the guilty “wealthy” and “rich”. Whether one is wealthy depends on your perspective–if you live in a $100K house, they guy down the street living in a $250K house is “wealthy” and so on. In SoCal and the Bay Area a $250K home is difficult, if not impossible to find–so I guess everyone in those locales are “wealthy” if you are not living on west coast.

Condemn if you will–but I trust there is someone out there who thinks you are “wealthy” and should pay more of your income to support them. I trust you just might protest that perception should that same person demand you contribute more of your wealth to government.

Jan 07, 2014 5:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JamesChirico wrote:

Unemployment extensions for the entire year will create 200,000 jobs. Infrastructure spending another half million jobs. The GOP opposes any spending on these without offsets. Kirk of course is a liar that has held up gov’t, threatened to back the GOP debt limit hostage taking. For him to say our credit limit when all the GOP deos is lose our credit rating is not the truth. Boehner has 4.1 trillion in debt reduction with a 4-1 ratio of spending cuts to revenue in the big WH deal that he reneged on when his Norquisters would not accept the good deal he made. S&P required 4 trillion to save our AAA rating. That loss is strictly the GOP’s fault.

The GOP will give up it’s firstborn before accepting any tax increase on the wealthy.

The F35B with a vertical landing capability is really not needed for our nations defense. The British Harriers have yet to be needed and can cover any operational need we may have. That defense cut alone would pay for yearly extensions. We also do not need our bases in Europe. The cold war has been ended for over 2 decades. Leasing our bases or selling them to our allies would be an additional windfall to the base closing savings. We can restore defense cuts to a bloated defense budget but other sequester cuts were left in. The trickle down BS from the GOP has proven for decades to be a job loser with trillions more invested overseas than here closing tens of thousands of our factories.

Jan 07, 2014 5:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse

@COIndependent, I have ZERO problem with wealthy people, what I have a problem with is those that then use this money and subsequent influence to lobby government officials for policies that allow them to make more money, but at the detriment of the country as a whole. The only thing that is worse is the officials allowing themselves to be basically bribed by a campaign donation, or worse the threat that they give the money to someone else.

We live in a society as a whole not as individuals so we need to have a social/government setup that helps society as a whole, not just the moneyed interests.

Jan 07, 2014 5:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gee.la wrote:

Generally speaking, all these skillful jobs (not Steve Jobs) are much easier than the operations of having a good sex.

Jan 07, 2014 5:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
COindependent wrote:

Prag….Agreed. But at some point government cannot, and should not, save people from their own decisions. That is a very fine line that keeps getting moved for political expediency and votes. The “rich” only have one vote, just like anyone else. It’s the K Street side that then buys the influence of our politicians–the self serving SOB’s that most of them are.

Put in term limits and you will see the game change–dramatically. There is little to sell if you are not running for re-election and have to return to civilian life an live with the legislation you promoted (versus exempting yourself as long as you are in Congress). We put a two-term limit on the President, why not on Congress–say 12 years total in any elected office–two terms in the Senate, six terms in the House or some combination of the two to a total of 12 years.

Jan 07, 2014 5:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse

jbeech wrote:
“I don’t mind helping someone, I believe it’s part of the American way. However, at the back of my mind is this; is the help open-ended?
Basically, for how long are we going to help? First it was weeks, then 6 months, then a year. How long does it continue?”

Kudos to you once again, for being one of the only rational, level-headed Republicans remaining, which begs the question: at this point why are you still calling yourself a republican? The party has left you and your common sense in the dust.

The questions you asked are perfectly legitimate and ones that, as a pragmatic liberal independent, I am asking as well. Personally, I disagree that now is the time to let them expire, but that is okay! It is a healthy debate to have; unfortunately, establishment Republicans and Democrats are not really interested in having that discussion, and instead do nothing but bicker with the tired old accusations of “Unemployed are nothing but lazy bums!” and “Republicans are mean and cruel!”

Anyway, I wanted to single you out for being a Republican worthy of respect and let you know that I wish there were more like you! Wear the badge of the “RINO” proudly my friend, and good luck taking your party back!

Jan 07, 2014 5:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
4825 wrote:

The President said today that paying unemployment benefits creates jobs. Well, no wonder our economy is in such bad shape and the unemployment rate is as high as it is. His idea of creating a job is paying unemployment, wow. Vote in 2014 and 2016, so we can start turning this country around from the destructive liberal democrat policy? Don’t do like NY city and let 17% of the people determine who governs the remaining 83% of the people.

Jan 07, 2014 9:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

4825… great plan you have there. Turn the USA around from the destructive liberal democrat economic growth and falling unemployment and return it to the hugely beneficial Republican recession.

You say ‘our economy is in such bad shape’. That is not a fact. It is just your opinion. If you expect to be taken seriously, back that opinion up with facts and reasoning. What, specifically, is ‘in such a bad shape’ about over four years of continuous economic growth and unemployment falling by 3%? How is that worse than the unemployment at 10% and rising that economic genius of the Republicans left? How is 4% growth worse than -5%?

Jan 07, 2014 9:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
4825 wrote:

@Bakhtin- Job market is so weak and the unemployment rate is so high the president considers this extension an Emergency. What more proof do you want than your president’s word?

Jan 07, 2014 10:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
4825 wrote:

LBJ declared a war on poverty back in the 60′s. The liberals have continued their fight in the war on poverty ever since. Well, we all know now that poverty has won the war and it is due to failed Liberal Democrat policies. Time for real hope and change, get rid of the liberal democrats.

Jan 07, 2014 10:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RexMax46 wrote:

Yashmak wrote:
“Numerous university studies have demonstrated that for every 2 weeks of unemployment benefit extension, average unemployment time increases by a week.”

Can you please provide references to these numerous studies? The only thing I could find was an article by Rand Ghayad saying that Rand Paul misstated his research.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/12/no-rand-paul-theres-no-reason-to-cut-unemployment-benefits/282698/

Jan 07, 2014 10:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

4825… Fact: unemployment is falling. In your opinion, is that a positive indication or a negative one?

Fact: GDP is growing. In your opinion, is that a positive indication or a negative one?

Jan 07, 2014 11:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ready2013 wrote:

amazing comments…
give me my job back…no job is “your” job…a liberal entitlement comment

if the economy isn’t in bad shape, why do we need to extend unemployment benefits?

some still blaming republicans…I guess demo’s platform will be it will take 20years to recover from Bush

so many want to increase taxes on the wealthy…wealthy always happens to be someone who makes more or has more than themselves.

someone said “Most of these comments from the “righties” did not grow up during the Great Depression”…really now, I believe most posts are from people that did not grow up during the Great Depression (that includes righties and lefties), just do the math.

Also, if you look at the real facts about the depression, unemployment reached it’s max after government intervention and lasted longer than any previous economic downturn prior to the depression.

I guess that some believe that since the government can print all the money it wants, create all the debt it wants (because debt doesn’t really exist since we have a sovereign monetary system) we can keep financing the unemployed.

Democrats continuously claim road blocks are stopping progress…I hope there is a road block if I am headed for bridge that is washed out. too many see progress as doing something…well doing something only works if you attempt to do the right thing and know how to do it.

Demos and liberals are continuously creating fear and anxiety…why else call it an emergency? they want to create a crisis in the minds of the masses, that way they can justify doing something…amazingly mostly it is giving benefits to the masses to get votes. Also, somehow if those making profits are not taxed at a (much) higher rate than the average working citizen, somehow that is considered giving to the rich or wealthy…something seems backward here.

liberals have the right intentions but it would take an omniscient government to administer their programs…i.e., distinguishing between those who needs the help and those who are just milking the system.

Jan 07, 2014 11:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bighammerman wrote:

Obama will not be happy until he destroys this country beyond all hope.

Jan 07, 2014 11:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

Republicans already did that before Obama took over. If he really wanted to destroy the USA all he had to do was not fix the wreck Republicans left. Instead he fixed it.

How do you square that reality with your ‘Obama wants to destroy the USA’ rhetoric?

Jan 08, 2014 3:21am EST  --  Report as abuse
4825 wrote:

@Bighammerman- I think Obama’s policies have proven your point. Bakhtin is blind to all the lies that Obama has told the country on so many occasions. He has to be brainwashed, how else could he justify the lies in his own mind. Unless perhaps, there is remuneration involved for him somehow?

Jan 08, 2014 10:12am EST  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

4825… I asked you in the ‘Former U.S. Defense Secretary Gates criticizes Obama in memoir’ thread to support you position that Obama is destroying the USA, given the facts that GDP can be observed growing and unemployment can be observed falling. That observable reality totally contradicts your rhetoric.

You ran away from that thread, and I predict you will now run away from this one too.

Jan 08, 2014 11:21am EST  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

As predicted…

Jan 09, 2014 7:16am EST  --  Report as abuse
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