Boy, 12, opens fire at New Mexico school, wounds two students

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Mylena wrote:

From where the suspect took the gun. If is a minor parents must be taking intco custody system.

Jan 14, 2014 3:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Jolteon1 wrote:

When are we all going to get real and recognize these sort of incidences not as gun control issues but as a mental health issue. Guns are the means in which mentally ill people commit tragedies like this. The sooner this country starts taking mental health more seriously, the better off we’ll all be.

Jan 14, 2014 3:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SaggyNutzinHD wrote:

If one believes gun control is the answer for this problem please go to YouTube and search for “Suzanna Hupp Speaks in Chicago Part 1 of 3″ and listen to the story of a woman that had to watch a crazed gunman murder 23 people including her parents.

Jan 14, 2014 4:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
cmhou wrote:

Yes, Jolteon1, you are right. This has nothing to do with guns. It is very, very easy to identify and treat people who might do something like this. We just need to take it seriously, that is all. If we take it seriously, it will go away. But, please, everyone stop saying this has anything to do with guns, because it absolutely doesn’t have anything to do with guns. Unless we are talking about providing more guns or making access even easier, because that would help with the problem as well. I’m sure this suspect would have thought twice if the kids at the school might have been armed. But other than that, this is not about guns.

Jan 14, 2014 4:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gvw3 wrote:

I raised 6 kids and always have had guns at home. Never had an issue. My guns are unloaded and locked in a safe. What are these people doing. Leaving these guns laying around for kids to find them. THe parents need to be held accountable for these types of shootings.

Jan 14, 2014 4:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SaggyNutzinHD wrote:

Hi gvw3: I did not see in the article the parents provided the gun?

Jan 14, 2014 5:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MaggieMP wrote:

@Jolteon1, I’d add: our society’s mental health issues are significantly just that – “of the society, its structures, its pressures”. We’ve got rising income insecurity, housing insecurity, food insecurity, health care insecurity, hazardous waste insecurity.

Even those whose incomes and assorted ‘life needs’ remain secure are “back of mind aware” that ability to meet basic needs is “at risk”.

Somewhat because of this ‘mood of insecurity’ we also increasingly accuse one another of being lazy, whiny, un-American, traitorous, and so on. Some of the “leadership” that promotes our beating up on one another are among the wealthiest – in government and in industry. Other “leaders”, more “supportive”, continually suggest anyone/everyone *can* regain decent life expectations with more education and training, (even as pursuing these brings debt, and a combination of factors reduces employment opportunity!)

Furthermore – “competition” is constantly promoted, rather than cooperation, as “the way fix what’s wrong”. Suggesting we attempt to ‘best’ one another, rather than support one another, in order to create community is illogical at best!

I returned to the US to live in 2005 and found the widespread mood angry and fearful on one hand, and on the other: “Me and my group are doing all right, so what’s the problem?” I’ve not witnessed an improvement.

I don’t watch TV or commercial movies but catch reviews. I gather much film/tv entertainment relies on “thrilling” audience by showing intense despair, desperation, “winner/loser”, and violence. This both mirrors and exacerbates a subtle but deep, quiet, persistent stress and ‘unease’.

You are right to raise mental health as an issue. My point is to add our need to attend to “social environment” (including economic and attitudes toward ourselves and one another”). We should not be surprised that individuals demonstrate symptoms carried in the whole social fabric. (The texting/popcorn ‘threat’ shooting in Florida yet another case in point!)

Buckminster Fuller observed “whether we make it or not is touch and go; we’ll need to practice integrity at every turn; and our intent must be for all or none”. (totally paraphrased and combining a few of his statements.)

(Personally, I’d like to see more responsible practices with guns, but if we don’t change policies on how we relate to one another, and if we don’t address “high finance, high corporate” extortion of the general population, then we can’t expect restricting guns to ‘fix’ our fundamental ‘illness’.)

Jan 14, 2014 5:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
LAHut wrote:

Here we go again. Everyone blame video games!

Jan 14, 2014 5:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
PhillyJimi wrote:

Jolteon1 – You’re in complete denial. This is a gun control issue if there ever was an issue. A perfectly sane 12 year old should not have unrestricted access to a firearm. Any 12 year old can make a very bad emotional decision and react to something in the spur of the moment. His parents should be charged with attempted murder. Make the parents responsible for any and all actions of their children if they gain access to their guns. If a 7 year old shoot his 5 year old sister, then the parents go to prison for murder.

You can own a gun. I have no problems with it as long as you are completely responsible for it. If something bad happens then you MUST be held to be fully responsible. Sorry along with “it was an accident” isn’t a valid excuse.

Jan 14, 2014 5:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jgh59 wrote:

I am a gun owner and I favor strict gun control laws. Too much heat in the hands of too few brains. This kid may have been able to injure two other kids to a similar level of severity with a knife or a hammer or a shovel, but to pull off a Sandy Hook or a Virginia Tech, you need a gun or guns. Let’s start by treating the 2nd amendment like the 15th, if you commit a crime with a gun or your gun is used to commit a crime, then you lose your right to bear arms just like you lose your right to vote when you commit a felony. I would go as far as to take away your gun rights if you have an accident with a gun that results in an injury, like shooting yourself in the foot or shooting your friend in the face while quail hunting. I favor national registration and if you are caught with an unregistered weapon you lose it and your 2nd amendment rights, but that may be too much “infringement” for most gun owners. You start taking guns away from people who don’t deserve to have a gun; destroy those weapons (unless they’re antiques or of some other special value) and the number of gun crimes will fall.

Jan 14, 2014 6:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Jay_Hanig wrote:

Yes, this is a gun issue but only to the extent it wasn’t adequately secured. What you truly need to focus on is the intent of the shooter to hurt others. Suppose he’d had no access to guns: would everything be just hunky dory or would we be reading about a bombing? What do you think?

When I need a hammer but no hammer is available, I reach for a rock or a monkey wrench or whatever else I can find that I can adapt to my purpose. The tool is relatively immaterial. It is the result upon which you ought to be focused. In this case, it was the desire to hurt others. Human beings have demonstrated a real propensity for achieving that goal over the centuries.

Jan 14, 2014 6:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Jay_Hanig wrote:

jgh59, your contention that all you need to pull off an atrocity is a gun is wrong. Seriously wrong.

The biggest school massacre in the history of this country occurred in Bath, Michigan back in 1927 and not a single firearm was involved.

In the Middle East, when terrorists really want to create a high body count, they don’t reach for guns. Think about it.

Jan 14, 2014 6:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ramsglen wrote:

Well mark another one up to Joe Biden. “GET A SHOTGUN” BALM BALM…..
Way to go Joe!!!!!!

Jan 14, 2014 7:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
EastBerlin wrote:

Parents raised an idiot. If parents are also idiots, have them all “put to sleep” to reduce the bad gene pool.
Who ever let this dumb kid get the shotgun should do major jail time.

Jan 14, 2014 7:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Sonorama wrote:

Jay_Hanig, you don’t seem to understand the crucial difference between a rock, a gun, and a bomb. I also don’t think you meant to type “result,” because the desire to hurt others is actually a motive. Now, the result of that motive changes dramatically when the attacker uses one of the three aforementioned items tool rather than the other two.

Jan 14, 2014 7:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MichaelHawk wrote:

When a 12 year olds have enough access to guns that they can conceal them and bring them to schools, it is as much of a gun control issue as a mental health issue.

Jan 14, 2014 8:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rr02 wrote:

The gun control advocates don’t know enough to be credible just the same as the mental health advocates are equally short on knowledge. Thankfully, this young man survived which will allow us to actually find out what provoked him. We had a chance to learn more from Jared Loughner but we were so bent on justice we drugged him into “sobriety”. We still have not gotten from him what we need to understand what brings this on but at least we have “justice”. Was this boy bullied? Were there problems at home? I know a young boy the same age as this one who is a candidate to do this same thing because of some home issues….except he is such a tremendous young man he may NOT act in the same way. But it’s possible.

Jan 14, 2014 9:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Jay_Hanig wrote:

Sonorama, so what’s your point? We’re arguing semantics?

My point was it isn’t effective to focus on the tool used to accomplish a goal. If one tool isn’t available, a motivated person will find another that he can use. So if a gun isn’t available, a bomb is… or gas.. or whatever else the fiendish mind can conceive. When it comes to creating a stack of dead bodies, there are plenty of more efficient ways to pile them up… guns or no guns.

Jan 14, 2014 10:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
GuestOoo wrote:

In this society,
1. Kids and adults play violent video games and watch violent movies
2. Kids and adults are all on eggshells waiting to erupt and do not know how to cope
3. Kids and adults insult, are disrespectful or mean to each other whether verbally, non-verbal communication, in writing online or offline, physically, emotionally, etc.
4. Kids and adults will suffer from a mental health issue at one point in their life and will not have the ability to cope.

Be nice to everyone. Do not bully. Be respectful of everyone. Because that person you are not being nice or respectful to may not have the ability to cope. Then you and others are shot, hurt, killed or dead.

Jan 15, 2014 10:54am EST  --  Report as abuse
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