U.S. diplomat plays down leaked call; Germany's Merkel angry

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The United States response to the situation has been vintage Obama – no where in sight except for talk talk talk.

Feb 06, 2014 7:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse

The United States response to the situation has been vintage Obama – no where in sight except for talk talk talk.

Feb 06, 2014 7:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Jingan wrote:

Good one, Washingtonian clowns get exposed again.

Feb 06, 2014 7:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
marcopolov wrote:

RobertMorrisIV /
What response would make you happy: a Bush-style bullying that has made us so ‘popular’ across the world?!.. Or may be a full scale invasion?.. That surely proved very effective ;-)

Feb 06, 2014 8:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
lilDreamer86 wrote:

Russia was the first to meddle in Ukraine interests, by forcing their leader to back out of the deal with the EU.

Feb 06, 2014 8:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Laster wrote:

So i’m guessing Americans aren’t going to get a vote through our representatives on whether we should be throwing $20mm / week at a country to foment discord and violence.

I appreciate that we’re allowed to listen to the candor of US government conversations. I’m not in the least surprised at this.

Feb 06, 2014 8:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

“The simultaneous release of the recordings, whatever their source and authenticity,” – looks as Snowden continues his work for Russian FSB… now at home in Russia. :)

Feb 06, 2014 10:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
WestFlorida wrote:

Sounds like a realistic appraisal of foreign policy of the EU, USA and Russia. There is a struggle for influence and power. Traditionally, however, the Ukraine has been within the powerful sphere of influence of Russia, and it is important that any developments in Ukraine do not antagonize relations with Russia. It is interesting to see this insight into diplomatic thinking on the part of the US. It would be interesting to hear discussions in Russia and the EU also.

Feb 06, 2014 11:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RobertFrost wrote:

There is no reason to believe that the Cold War ever came to an end!

No sooner had the Soviet Union imploded, the US, now without a principal enemy, rushed to sequester countries and nations in Eastern Europe, and went further to erect military bases and “Missile Defence” systems at Russia’s boarder, began wooing the Central Asia republics and the Caucuses, and even “forgave” Burma its miserable “Human Rights record” in order to surround Russia with unfriendly countries, as Mrs. Clinton “compassionately” arranged consented two years ago.

In addition, the US then went on to consolidate its holdings by fighting a war in Bosnia and slicing out Yugoslavia in 12 countries, into Iraq, hoping to slice it into 3, and is bogged down in Afghanistan hoping to complete the encirclement.

The cost to the United States runs in trillions of dollars – those especially earmarked for the actual wars, and those arising from the need to support that war, whether in the Pentagon, the State Department, and the continued and useless spending on missiles, atomic weapons and other means of warfare, not forgetting the billions spent on drones, so far!

In addition, the opportunity to address acute problems facing the people of the US, and arising from diverting resources to establish world dominance.

The number of people under the poverty level kept climbing, to today’s 51 million Americans, the infrastructure in the US today is in places a reminder of Third World countries, with most of the bridges and highways in urgent need for repairs, education places the US somewhere at the bottom of the developed countries, healthcare places it on par with Cuba, despite the the economic hardship imposed by the US on that island for decades!

Now the Ukraine!

Senators and Assistant Secretaries of State rushed to Kiev to counsel the mob whose bloody and basically criminal protests we ‘sometimes’ see on TV added to the severe economic problems the people of the Ukraine face, for which the US can only offer redress in exchange for oil contracts – fracting the heck of out of the Ukraine.

I do not need to mention that all is being done on behalf of interests the US has, which could not be that of the 51 million hungry Americans, nor in order to improve the lot of the American people, whose income has been on the decline since 2000, and not by hundreds of dollars either.

The Cold War has never left us. And when it seems to be disappearing the genius of the successive US administrations would set it back aflame!

Feb 06, 2014 11:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Kahnie wrote:

Who is the United States to chastise ANYONE about bugging phones and rooms? How hypocritical can one nation be? And that’s my nation. We bugged others. Fine. They bug us. Fine. But to chastise them, pathetic to say the least. That’s Kerry’s State Department.

Feb 07, 2014 12:11am EST  --  Report as abuse
74LS08 wrote:

US blackshirts would have not tolerated the kind of protest we have seen in Kyiv for even a couple of days. just go to youtube and watch how Occupy Wall street protesters were treated in NY and Oakland CA.

Feb 07, 2014 12:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
Rhino1 wrote:

It’s ironic, isn’t it, that the American government’s phone calls should be tapped and recorded. I am laughing my head off.

Apart from that, after comments like “f…. the EU” by American politicians, or “deluded pro-EU wankers” above, and after the revelations about bugging the whole of Europe, I guess the EU should, like many other countries around the world are doing already, re-evaluate the potential benefits of a close friendship with the USA.

Feb 07, 2014 3:29am EST  --  Report as abuse
Tiu wrote:

Is this “America” doing this, or is it the New World Order… who by the way will destroy America too as you can’t have a big lump like America challenging the One World Government (and no it won’t be a democracy).

Feb 07, 2014 3:43am EST  --  Report as abuse
Dron wrote:

Thats one of the telephone recording leaks mentioned in this article:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSxaa-67yGM

Feb 07, 2014 4:38am EST  --  Report as abuse
WestFlorida wrote:

The US envoy Nuland should be fired immediately, after being forced to publicly apologize.

Feb 07, 2014 7:19am EST  --  Report as abuse
Art16 wrote:

What exactly are you planning to do, Putin? Run over the Ukrainians with tanks like Khrushchev did to the Hungarians in the 1956 Hungarian Revolution or starve 7,000,000 to death like your buddy Stalin did in the 1930′s? All the big mouth propaganda will not erase the facts that Russia continues to be led by so-called people who are just power hungry control freaks whose only goal is to keep the peasants under their thumb and steal everything for themselves. Imperial Russia was no better. I guess the next thing will be your wearing the crown of the Czars. Is it in the Hermitage waiting for your pointed head?

Feb 07, 2014 7:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
KeithAtkinson wrote:

Why does Reuters say “The West” when it means the US? The USA has not represented “the West” since George Bush lost the moral high ground that the US once had. Clinton was the last US President who actually earned the “Leader of the Free World” title

Feb 07, 2014 7:55am EST  --  Report as abuse
CherokeeSam wrote:

What? We wouldn’t meddle would we? Say it ain’t so.

Feb 07, 2014 8:35am EST  --  Report as abuse
rblivingston wrote:

“Recent revelations of widespread U.S. monitoring of foreign communications may temper sympathy for Washington’s officials.”

Sympathy!?

Feb 07, 2014 8:37am EST  --  Report as abuse
CherokeeSam wrote:

Nuland should resign. Then, run for Congress. She’d get my vote.

Feb 07, 2014 8:47am EST  --  Report as abuse
ReverendJim wrote:

Why, when the U.S. conducts standard, normal, surveillance of foreign powers, are they villainized by the world, but when the soviets…I mean the Russians, bug diplomatic phone calls, the world is fine with that? The Russians are sheltering Snowden (not that what he did was entirely wrong) and damning the U.S. for “daring to use espionage in the world”, while simultaneously violating diplomatic customs and trust. Am I the only one that sees hypocrisy here?

Feb 07, 2014 8:54am EST  --  Report as abuse
willich6 wrote:

Nuland’s comment wasn’t just “pithy”.. She told the Ukranians “F..k the EU”… Great teamwork here obama; in case you haven’t figured it out, the EU and US should be on the same side;

What we do need is a strong response to Russia for their intervention into Ukraine – a response that effective Presidents in years past would deliver themselves – straight up – eye to eye.. No nonsense.. But we get this limp wrist amateur in the whitehouse that nobody respects – other than his ‘fanboys’ who have absolutely no relevance or impact in the real world..
Get your act together or get lost – America suffers every day you’re in office.

Feb 07, 2014 9:01am EST  --  Report as abuse
Bob9999 wrote:

She’s got to go. How can she be a diplomat if she doesn’t know how to be diplomatic? Didn’t she learn in her first day on the job that walls have ears? And why is she using such intemperate language in the first place? My experience is that lightweights talk like that in order to sound tough. (Barking dogs never bite, as they say.) Give us a vicious and snarky passive-aggressive person who knows how to keep her mouth shut instead of someone playing a role.

Feb 07, 2014 9:49am EST  --  Report as abuse
one_some wrote:

KGB teaches world about morality. Russia is talking about US intrusion in Ukraine.
In reality here in Ukraine, there is Russian intrusion: death squads (whether Russian or trained by Russian FSB) kidnap, torture and kill most active demonstrators. Russian TV, broadcast over many parts of Ukraine, instigate partition of Ukraine.
Also Russian FSB commentors flood Ukraine’s websites with hatred toward the USA, ‘homosexual-EU’, ‘jew-masons’, the West to such an extent that some Ukrainian websites have closed commenting.
(even here on Reuters I see a lot of these FSB guys).
Most of Ukrainians want Yanukovich to go. But Russia is threatning to intervene.
So who is infringing sovereignty of Ukraine?
Budapest Memorandum of 1994 says that USA and Russia are to guarantee sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine.
If Russia intervenes, they will breach this Memorandum.
I hope the US will stop this intervention. Otherwise Budapest Memorandum is worth nothing.
Russians must be taught a lesson. Russian army is so weak, that they even could not cope with small Georgian army.

Feb 07, 2014 9:56am EST  --  Report as abuse
TN_Anarchist wrote:

Two things: one, the jargon the two use is hilarious. It sounds like parody, though of course they’re both dead serious.

Two: why doesn’t the US just come out and admit up-front that it is active in the Ukraine seeking to stir up and support interests that would favor the US over Russia? Obviously that is what is going on, mixed in with ‘genuine’ (and over-valued and over-used word to be sure) protest and discontent. The Russians, for their part, make no qualms about their interests and involvement, and the fact that what they are doing in the Ukraine is on behalf of their national interest. Why can’t the US be more honest? Instead, the American state puts on a sanctimonious show while carrying out far dirtier and just plain old quotidian tactics, trying to balance exalted, unrealistic rhetoric with down and dirty statecraft.

Look, I don’t care for states in general, and I’m no fan of either the American or Russian state- both do all sorts of nasty things. But at least the Russian state is generally up-front about things, and doesn’t play the righteous crusader. Let the US act with more honesty and forthrightness, and I might be able to muster up a little bit of respect.

Feb 07, 2014 10:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
summero2 wrote:

Apparently I am in the wrong job. Put me at this pay grade and I PROMISE to never use the word F**k – whether I think I am being recorded or not. Who is hiring these people?

Feb 07, 2014 10:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
summero2 wrote:

Apparently I am in the wrong job. Put me at this pay grade and I PROMISE to never use the word F**k – whether I think I am being recorded or not. Who is hiring these people?

Feb 07, 2014 10:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
ELH_HUN10 wrote:

It is interesting to note that while the Eurpean countries are upset by the U.S.A spying in their conversations except for one country, they are not upset that Russia is bragging about their spying capabilities. It seems that Europe is becoming subserviant to Russia to their Russina neighbors. I guess whatever will be will be. It just seems that wars in Europe and over Europe are national pastimes for many of the countries. France is starting to show some backbone so they are not included in this group. Germany seems more concerned about their feeling than about their national security. I guess one Europe is bettor than one giant Russia, but either case is possible. May the best”man” win.

Feb 07, 2014 10:12am EST  --  Report as abuse
Tiu wrote:

Nuland really wanted to tell Merkel to take a flying [expletive deleted] but it wouldn’t have looked good on TV.
I wonder if the “protestors” realize they are just a football, or piggy in the middle who really have control over not even their own destiny?

Feb 07, 2014 10:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
Stickystones wrote:

Oh Victoria, such language from a seasoned spokesperson. I guess you aren’t as demure as you appear! Probably similar to what she said during the Benghazi attack – ‘F…’em, we told Stevens not to go to Benghazi’.

Feb 07, 2014 10:21am EST  --  Report as abuse
Overcast451 wrote:

If the so-called “leaders” of the US weren’t rank idiots who spend most of their time trying to fatten their bank accounts and lust for power to stroke their own ego like a fat, dirty, toothless internet porn addict… None of the ‘leaks’ would be an issue; because if these so-called “leaders” were following THEIR OWN rule of law, they wouldn’t have to try to hide the fact that they are breaking more laws than a third rate street thug with a meth addiction.

Feb 07, 2014 10:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
JVan43 wrote:

Our amateur diplomat in Ukraine needs to be sacked and we should play a silent second fiddle to the EU while we await regime change in Washington.

Here I thought, at worst, the Obama administration would make some small strides toward repairing our relations overseas. That is sadly not the case and in the pantheon of US Presidents I now rank him second from the bottom with the hard to beat ‘consorting with the enemy’ President Buchanan at rock bottom. It’s a tough call when the terror campaign against the US can be traced to several bad moves, the worst being Jimmy Carter’s inept ‘paper tiger’ response to the hostage taking in Iran. With his bold move from 43 of 44 to 42 of 44 I suppose it’s in order for me to pen a congratulatory letter and post it to Plains, GA. I hope his elbow’s back in joint after the way he’s patted himself on the back with his grandstanding NGO, Habitat for Humanity. I find drive-by/photo op do-gooders very tiresome, which is an apt description for that outfit.

It’s frightful to consider that the current occupant still has time to supplant Buchanan. Conclusive proof for one of several already existing allegations — none completely laid to rest, kust might be the ticket.

Feb 07, 2014 10:44am EST  --  Report as abuse
Errata wrote:

We are once again reminded of the true nature of the present US administration and the coarse arrogance of its leaders.

Feb 07, 2014 10:49am EST  --  Report as abuse
tony4 wrote:

Nuland, of course, has declined to comment on “private diplomatic conversations”. What was “diplomatic” about her conversation? This woman should be fired for embarrassing the US on a global scale, and having a negative effect on our foreign relations. Will she be fired? N. why? First, Obama never holds anyone accountable for their actions, and Kerry is off trying to earn a Nobel prize, or a Dem presidential slot. Second, she was a top aide to Hillary. She’s untouchable as both Obama and Kerry are sacred to death of the vengeful Hillary…as are most Dems.

Feb 07, 2014 11:05am EST  --  Report as abuse
gcf1965 wrote:

Thank you Bob and Errata

Feb 07, 2014 11:14am EST  --  Report as abuse
GCGriswold wrote:

Another boner for the Obama administration!

Feb 07, 2014 11:23am EST  --  Report as abuse
one_some wrote:

KGB teaches world about morality. Russia is talking about US intrusion in Ukraine.
In reality here in Ukraine, there is Russian intrusion: death squads (whether Russian or trained by Russian FSB) kidnap, torture and kill most active demonstrators. Russian TV, broadcast over many parts of Ukraine, constantly instigate partition of Ukraine.
Also Russian FSB commentors flood Ukraine’s websites with hatred toward the USA, ‘homosexual-EU’ [does Merkel approve this view of her frienf Putin?], the West to such an extent that some Ukrainian websites have closed commenting.
(even here I see a lot of these FSB guys).
Now Russian intelligence FSB taps phones in Ukraine.
Most of Ukrainians want Yanukovich to go. But Russia is threatning to intervene.
So who is infringing sovereignty of Ukraine?
Budapest Memorandum of 1994 says that USA and Russia are to guarantee sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine.
If Russia intervenes, they will breach this Memorandum.
I hope the US will stop this intervention. Otherwise Budapest Memorandum is worth nothing.
Russians must be taught a lesson. Russian army is so weak, that they could hardly cope with small Georgian army.

Feb 07, 2014 11:26am EST  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

Russia&China strategy: divide and conquer.
Russia&China tactics: anything goes.

Merkel and EU should shut up. Putin’s mafia bought them all… Schröder was the first one.

Feb 07, 2014 11:55am EST  --  Report as abuse
Oma wrote:

It says in this article that Victoria Nulland apologized to her EU colleagues.

It also says that the Ukraine as we know it today was put together by Russia (after the first world war?) from the Ukraine as it was then and an area populated by Russians. So in today’s Ukraine part of the population speak Ukrainian and part speak Russian. It also says that the Ukraine relies on Russia for natural gas to power its industry. That explains a lot.

@Laster Where did you find out that we are spending $20mms a week to foment discord in the Ukraine? (and by $20mms do you mean twenty million dollars?)

Feb 07, 2014 12:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Oma wrote:

It says in this article that Victoria Nulland apologized to her EU colleagues.

It also says that the Ukraine as we know it today was put together by Russia (after the first world war?) from the Ukraine as it was then and an area populated by Russians. So in today’s Ukraine part of the population speak Ukrainian and part speak Russian. It also says that the Ukraine relies on Russia for natural gas to power its industry. That explains a lot.

@Laster Where did you find out that we are spending $20mms a week to foment discord in the Ukraine? (and by $20mms do you mean twenty million dollars?)

Feb 07, 2014 12:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
one_some wrote:

Russia is talking about US intrusion in Ukraine.
In reality here in Ukraine, there is already Russian intrusion: death squads (whether Russian or trained by Russian FSB) kidnap, torture and kill most active demonstrators. Russian TV, broadcast over many parts of Ukraine, constantly instigate partition of Ukraine.
Also Russian ntelligence FSB’s commentors flood Ukraine’s websites with hatred toward the USA, ‘homosexual-EU’ [does Merkel approve this view of her friend Putin?], the West to such an extent that some Ukrainian websites have closed commenting.
(even here I see a lot of these FSB commentors).
Now Russian intelligence FSB taps phones in Ukraine.
Most of Ukrainians want Yanukovich to go. But Russia is threatning to intervene.
So who is infringing sovereignty of Ukraine?
Budapest Memorandum of 1994 says that USA and Russia are to guarantee sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine.
If Russia intervenes, they will breach this Memorandum.
I hope the US will stop this intervention. Otherwise Budapest Memorandum is worth nothing.
Russians must be taught a lesson. Russian army is so weak, that they could hardly cope with small Georgian army.

Feb 07, 2014 12:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
atx512 wrote:

Hopefully as soon as the Olympics are over Russia will stop letting those fools step all over them and deal with a heavy hand with this BS.First,cut the oil and gas shipments to the Ukrainian regions in rebellion.Second,cut or at least slow them down to the EU countries that keep up the anti-Russian propaganda.A few freezing heat-less and petrol free days in the Ukraine should bring the mobs to their senses.And huge raise in heating and petrol prices throughout the EU should bring them off their anti-Russian tirade.If not,then make those price raises permanent.If Russia is going to get insulted daily by the EU anyway,at least they should collect monetary damages for it.

Feb 07, 2014 12:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
majkmushrm wrote:

ROFLMAO. I believe the phrase hoist on one’s own petard applies here. Not that the US would even think about considering changing any of its policies… Especially here. Victoria Nuland is Robert Kagan’s wife (yes, that Robert Kagan, one of the architects that brought us Iraq).

Feb 07, 2014 12:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
seafloor wrote:

All in all the USA behave like an enemy. A free trading zone between the USA and the EU is only wishful thinking.

Feb 07, 2014 1:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Earthtourist wrote:

Washington always ‘plays down’ its never ending gaffes. What else is new ?

Feb 07, 2014 1:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DJ65 wrote:

The antics of today’s government leaders make me ashamed that I ever served my country at all, let alone for over 20 years. I believe that the USA is heading in the direction of ancient Rome. So much for learning from history.

Feb 07, 2014 2:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DJ65 wrote:

Oh, and Victoria Nuland? She should be made to resign, period. In today’s world of electronic surveillance and espionage, it should go without saying that everyone who is anyone in power should watch what they say over ANY electronic device. If Ms. Nuland is that ignorant then she should not be employed in her present position.

Feb 07, 2014 2:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Oma wrote:

Close reading of this article tells us that Victoria Nulland has apologized to her EU colleagues.

The article also tells us that there are two parts to the Ukraine, one that speaks Ukrainian and was the original Ukraine, many years ago; and the other that speaks Russian and was added to the original Ukraine. It also tells us that the Ukraine’s industry depends on natural gas from Russia. That makes the Ukraine prone to civil unrest.

Those are good things to know.

I still want to know what my government wants in the Ukraine and why I had to find out about it from a leaked video rather than from the press.

Feb 07, 2014 2:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bighammerman wrote:

Another screw up while the Obama administration is handling things. Thie type of arogance is typical of Obama and his administration. Obama obviously can’t handle the presidential position and Congress needs to remove him from office where both parties agree. Obama is killing our country with all this stuff and doesn’t care one bit.

Feb 07, 2014 2:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
adamrussell wrote:

Hey Merkel
I thought you were against listening in on private conversations. How is this different from someone tapping your phone?

Feb 07, 2014 2:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
umkomazi wrote:

Hopefully this will be a wake up call to what the US government is REALLY like – a bunch of nasty, vindictive bullies! The sooner the US$ is replaced the better – though I feel sorry for the poor bastards classified as US ‘citizens’. However inmates might be a more accurate description; the US is turning out to be very large gilded cage!

Feb 07, 2014 2:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
umkomazi wrote:

Hey Merkel
I thought you were against listening in on private conversations. How is this different from someone tapping your phone?

Sooooooo Obamammamamamama would be OK for his ‘phone to be tapped? I have my doubts!

Feb 07, 2014 2:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DonWalker wrote:

lol!

Feb 07, 2014 3:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
umkomazi wrote:

DJ65 wrote:

The antics of today’s government leaders make me ashamed that I ever served my country at all, let alone for over 20 years. I believe that the USA is heading in the direction of ancient Rome. So much for learning from history.

The US government is TOTALLY incapable of learning from history- due to their arrogance. Even recent history is too much – eg Afghanistan – the Soviets told them invading was a mistake – and what did the US do …naff all – then got wiped out!

Feb 07, 2014 3:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
NulandFan wrote:

Bravo Nuland!!!

Feb 07, 2014 3:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
WhyMeLord wrote:

My, what a big mouth our diplomats have.
Big enough to get both their feet into it.
WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY, AND HE IS US.

Feb 07, 2014 3:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
WildBillWB wrote:

Ha ha. Sucks when somebody can just listen in on your private communications doesn’t it? Don’t worry about it State Department it was done for your own safety.

Feb 07, 2014 4:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
brotherkenny4 wrote:

TN_Anarchist said: “The Russians, for their part, make no qualms about their interests and involvement, and the fact that what they are doing in the Ukraine is on behalf of their national interest. Why can’t the US be more honest?”. The answer is because the general public of the US is kept in an ignorant and infantile state. To start telling the truth might make them learn and then think, and that would be bad for fear and control methods.

ReverendJim: I think the criticism of US spying is mostly that they spy on US citizens. I don’t think anyone is saying don’t spy on the Russians.

Feb 07, 2014 4:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
brotherkenny4 wrote:

I personally think the CIA is trying to revive Russia as a dark enemy so that the need for the CIA and all the fun and money they get for their spy games gets continued. I think they see the end to the drug war, and the inevitable end to the war on terror coming and just don’t know what they will do with themselves. Expect them to get around to China too. Now, however, Russia is really weak without all those satellites, and only poses a threat with respect to nuclear, or nucular for some of you, and thus no more of a threat than any other nuclear/nucular country.

Feb 07, 2014 4:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gunste wrote:

Victoria Nuland is supposed to be a “diplomat”, and an adult. She should not use foul language in any conversation. Further, to make any significant comment on an insecure telephone line is the height of stupidity. – She seems to be on par with the ambassadors proposed for Argentina, Norway etc who know nothing about the countries where they are supposed to serve.

Feb 07, 2014 4:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ilc wrote:

I wouldn’t call it attempt at discrediting Ukrainian opposition, more like providing solid proof Ukrainian opposition never had any credibility.

I guess the concept of being an independent country just doesn’t register in Ukrainian brains, destroying your country so you can become someone’s puppet, brilliant.

Feb 07, 2014 5:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
dd606 wrote:

Whaaa… whaaa… Does Merkel ever quit whining? Yeah, I’m sure no Euro leaders ever talk s**t about the US. What a joke… Just lead your country and quit acting like you’re in Jr. High.

Feb 07, 2014 5:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MGIL wrote:

And how many other individuals (Ukraine, EU, Russia) said the same thing? Stop being so offended! It is so fake!

Feb 07, 2014 7:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
WJL wrote:

Exceptional Americans lol.

Feb 07, 2014 7:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MGIL wrote:

One more thought….Merkel angry???? What is Merkel angry about? Meanwhile the rest of the world has daily reminders of genocide taking place every day. If the EU wants to get angry about something, get angry about that!!!

Feb 07, 2014 7:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Laster wrote:

Nuland called the remarks “pure fantasy”.

“He could be a science fiction writer,” she said.

Kind of hard to separate the wheat from the chaff, isn’t it Miss Nulan?
We usually get the chaff here but, occasionally the wheat makes it to press.
And good call on not commenting publicly on certain allegations, that would be…well..unseemly, wouldn’t it?

Feb 07, 2014 7:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Laster wrote:

@Oma wrote:

@Laster Where did you find out that we are spending $20mms a week to foment discord in the Ukraine? (and by $20mms do you mean twenty million dollars?)

Oma, this isn’t the original story I posted under, and a quick search doesn’t reveal where that story has gone to.
In the previous story i posted to there were three claims by the Russians that
a) The US was training opposition personnel on embassy grounds.
b) The US had injected some $20million (per week ??) into the their activities.
c) …at a loss to remember the third claim.

Feb 07, 2014 7:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ARJTurgot2 wrote:

Six months ago when we were caught spying on foreign diplomats we explained it by saying everyone else does it. Now we’re surprised that everyone else does it pretty well. Really, the State Department complaining that the Russians (more probably the Ukrainians trained by the Russians) spy on U.S. (foreign, to them) diplomats is not really likely to raise sympathy.

What bothers me is our idiot Under Secretary was in a Foreign Country, talking about sensitive issues, over what seems to have been an unsecured/unencrypted line. Complete stupidity.

Feb 07, 2014 7:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RobertFrost wrote:

Ms. Nuland is a perfect representative of the Neo-Conservatives in the current administration, brought to the surface by the former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Her fault was not in asking the US Ambassador in Kiev to perform a sexual act on the EU, but in actually reviewing with him her selection for ministers in the government of the Ukraine which she plans to install!

Of course, there is an elected government in the Ukraine, but Ms. Nuland obviously plans to replace it. How? One can see the effort in Syria, and can only guess what she has in mind in the Ukraine.

Feb 07, 2014 7:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
uffdatx wrote:

What a classless act. Makes one proud to be an American, when people like this are the best we have to offer as representatives of our country. This woman exemplifies the ugly American stereotype, that used to be reserved for tourists.

Feb 07, 2014 7:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Colmery wrote:

Naïve American comments about Europe is not a new phenomenon. Europe has been through a colonial expansionist adolescence that ended in intolerance and bigotry boiling over. This led to a commitment to unified respect for higher human values. In time America will hopefully develop a deeper understanding. Until then we do well to remember that American elite are a true elite and in time they will convince their countrymen that America has a place in the world, but it is not the leader of the free world, it just happens to have the most expensive military.

Feb 07, 2014 8:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
nickir wrote:

But does Frau Merkel have a viable policy for the Ukraine any more than she has for Russia, the Eurozone or the EU? Except to keep herself in power…

Feb 07, 2014 9:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
WhyMeLord wrote:

UTTER FOOLIAHNESS

Feb 07, 2014 10:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
kommy wrote:

Yea, just call them all wankers- this will ease the situation.

Feb 08, 2014 12:20am EST  --  Report as abuse
onewire wrote:

Maybe it’s just a coincidence, but it seems under Obama’s watch the U.S. has pissed off Germany and probably the rest of Europe, Russia, India, Brazil, Canada, and Texas! Do you notice a trend?

Feb 08, 2014 3:17am EST  --  Report as abuse
TOR01 wrote:

Of course Nuland is trying to play it down. This incident comes as no surprise when so many of our State Dept officials are political and social appointees. If we continue to employ such imbeciles as our diplomatic representatives we can expect more of such incidents. “State-craft” is quickly becoming an extinct skill-set for our diplomatic personnel.

Feb 08, 2014 4:38am EST  --  Report as abuse
gpod wrote:

A leaked recording just exposed that the United States did not intervene in Ukraine to protect human and democratic rights as they claim but rather, was promoting civil unrest ( a coup ) to topple the government and was in fact hijacking the democratic process going as far as picking the next candidate for the presidency ( namely, Arseny Yatsenyuk ). If the UN doesn’t give a stern warning to the western powers intervening in the affairs of a sovereign country, it will lose the little credibility it has left.

Given the United States dismal record regarding human rights ( e.g. Illegal invasion of Irak, GITMO, supplying weapons to oppressive regimes such as Mubarak’s in Egypt and that of Saudi Arabia, threatening to start more wars with Syria and Iran… ), I fail to comprehend how even the most naive person could believe that the United States cares about human rights or democracy.

Finally, it is interesting to note that all the outrage revolved around the US disrespecting the EU and not the clear attempt by the US to corrupt Ukraine democracy.

Feb 08, 2014 5:11am EST  --  Report as abuse
AnLaN wrote:

Open mouth, insert foot! She needs to step down. Obviously she is not a diplomat.

Feb 08, 2014 6:06am EST  --  Report as abuse
AnLaN wrote:

Open mouth, insert foot. She needs to step down. Obviously she is not a diplomat.

Feb 08, 2014 6:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
buzzy2 wrote:

I guess if it’s not Angela’s phone, it’s ok.

Feb 08, 2014 7:00am EST  --  Report as abuse
sylvan wrote:

Would this be the same hypocrite who was just caught spying on other countries in South America? That Merkel? Who cares what the Third Reich’s spokeswoman has to say. I am offended and outraged at the EU decimation pogrom being run from Berlin, aimed against the darker skinned citizens of the Mediterranean. She is just mad because of that movie about the Monuments Men being released, once again showing the world what sociopaths the Germans like to be.

Feb 08, 2014 8:27am EST  --  Report as abuse
GCGriswold wrote:

Nuland should be fired for her ineptness and abject stupidity. Another blotch on Obama’s foreign policy record!

Feb 08, 2014 9:09am EST  --  Report as abuse
seymourfrogs wrote:

Leaks. Free Bradley Manning

Feb 08, 2014 9:21am EST  --  Report as abuse
miss_msry wrote:

From which brain trust were these two recruited?

Feb 08, 2014 9:55am EST  --  Report as abuse
explorer08 wrote:

If Obama had any cojones he’d fire Nuland in a split second. What an idiot she is.

Feb 08, 2014 10:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
GMichael wrote:

While the underlying issue has been buried in the media reporting, pro-democracy efforts in the Ukraine, Victoria Nuland has no business being in a diplomatic career. I am not certain “pro-democracy” is the way to go, and that is another discussion, but building relationships on the “f-bomb” is certainly nowhere to be found in manuals on “diplomatic” success. We have intellects and should use them. Foul mouthed women are neither “cute” nor “diplomatic”. Trust me; I know a few.

Feb 08, 2014 12:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
PeterMelzer wrote:

With talents like Ms Nuland as undersecretaries nothing will be accomplished.

Feb 08, 2014 12:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Hermist wrote:

Angela Merkel is upset! I like Nuland! Refreshing talk! Hope she keeps it up! Russia is the big bad boy! What else is new? Other important news I missed?

Feb 08, 2014 1:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

GMichael wrote:
While the underlying issue has been buried in the media reporting, pro-democracy efforts in the Ukraine, Victoria Nuland has no business being in a diplomatic career. I am not certain “pro-democracy” is the way to go, and that is another discussion

This “pro-democracy” spell in itself is a misnomer. What kind of “pro-democracy” would you talk about when a crowd of rioters takes on police in an attempt to bring down the government, which by all standards has been democratically elected? That the government of Ukraine was elected in a free and open election has been recognized by both the EU and the US. The next election is scheduled to take place in 2015. What is all this “pro-democracy” rhetoric about then?
At least it is reassuring that methods of bringing down the democratically elected president attempted now in Ukraine are not as inhumane as those applied in Chile to Allende…

Feb 08, 2014 2:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Ms. Nuland calls the audio file “impressive tradecraft”, but it sounds as if she’s making the tradecraft pretty easy to perform. She and His Nibs the ambassador to Ukraine should be written up by the Regional Security Officer for a serious security violation and their clearances, and possibly their employment, reviewed. We’re paying for some crap diplomacy — at the very least some “tradecraft” needs to be reviewed at Embassy Kiev. Instead, these two senior diplomats probably will receive Superior Merit Awards for bravely suffering the anguish of having their clear-channel phone conversations hacked and distributed on social media.

Feb 08, 2014 4:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
dualcitizen wrote:

But, but, but….. I thought Odumbo and his administration were going to IMPROVE relations with ALL the world. Particularly since ALL the world loves Odumbo. Must be Bush’s fault. PERIOD.

Feb 08, 2014 6:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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