Loss at Volkswagen plant upends union's plan for U.S. South

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jims1950 wrote:

the repubs do not want the working class to get ahead. time for the dead wood to go.

Feb 14, 2014 9:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
oinkus wrote:

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Feb 14, 2014 9:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
fortdearborn wrote:

A vote for unions in tennessee will benefit Americans, as it is a vote for restoring demcracy. The old union bosses have been defeated. The new union bosses, known as superpacs have become an anti american force that sponser the Tennesse republicans to violate demcracy. Ruters should post the facts, not hide them.

Feb 14, 2014 10:05pm EST  --  Report as abuse
fortdearborn wrote:

Unions in Germany also sit on th bod and suggesst imroemnts, that result in wages much higher than any american car workers,,, much higher. Bmw.. W Mercedes all use these. We need to bury the old visoin of crrupt union bosses and over padid workers, run by mobsters. This union vote can be a first step in the renewal of America. Ruters seems afraid to publish these comments, which it seems they back superpacs who would like to destroy our demcracy.

Feb 14, 2014 10:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
fortdearborn wrote:

Hey Reuters, If you wont oublish my comments post a reason. This america… I think!!!!or is this Columbia???

Feb 14, 2014 10:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
CliftonC wrote:

Union loses. America and VW winners.

Feb 14, 2014 10:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
russhaney wrote:

The dems do not want any Americans to get ahead. Time for the petrified wood to go.

Feb 14, 2014 10:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

@jims1950

The working class just voted. They don’t need the UAW to take 5% of their pay check to represent them. They get good pay and benefits right now anyways. No need to let the UAW in. I would rather work for management than a Union Rep, especially the UAW.

Feb 14, 2014 10:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
diluded0000 wrote:

Like I said in the earlier article, southerners have better sense than to turn Chattanooga into Flint Michigan.

Feb 14, 2014 10:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

@Fortdearborn

You obviously can’t read or write. It isn’t super pacs that keeps your wages down. It is your ignorance. Hit the post button once. It does not show up automatically. It isn’t hard to figure out if you can read and think for yourself.

Feb 14, 2014 10:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Mr. Obama, take this union and shove, we don’t want it. May this be the end to the UAW in the south

Feb 14, 2014 10:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Tojo63 wrote:

The UAW was successful at shutting down all manufacturing in Michigan, now they are targeting Tennessee. Union works continued to increase pay up north over the years until they priced themselves out of the market. The same will happen in Tennessee. It is scary because I was forced to move to Tennessee from Michigan to find work. I watched my neighbors lose their houses and a town fall to ruins. If the Union penetrates manufacturing in the south, the same will eventually ensue. Corporations Domestic or Foreign are only concerned about the bottom line. Their number one controllable overhead is the work force. If the Union forces wages up, they will pick up and move where the Union has no federal government to protect it. Thanks to NAFTA Mexico becomes the even more cost effective alternative. Hopefully the employees at VW researched Michigan manufacturing prior to filling out the ballet.

Feb 14, 2014 10:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Tojo63 wrote:

The UAW was successful at shutting down all manufacturing in Michigan, now they are targeting Tennessee. Union works continued to increase pay up north over the years until they priced themselves out of the market. The same will happen in Tennessee. It is scary because I was forced to move to Tennessee from Michigan to find work. I watched my neighbors lose their houses and a town fall to ruins. If the Union penetrates manufacturing in the south, the same will eventually ensue. Corporations Domestic or Foreign are only concerned about the bottom line. Their number one controllable overhead is the work force. If the Union forces wages up, they will pick up and move where the Union has no federal government to protect it. Thanks to NAFTA Mexico becomes the even more cost effective alternative. Hopefully the employees at VW researched Michigan manufacturing prior to filling out the ballet.

Feb 14, 2014 10:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Airborneheel wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA…..Chalk another L up for the unions. At least TN knew getting in bed and forking their money over to a union wasn’t going to accomplish anything other than fund a democrat campaign and they knew it.

Feb 14, 2014 10:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Well, they don’t want all they’re dues going to D party candidates who will strip them of their fundamental right to keep and bear arms which is what union money always does – not complicated.

Feb 14, 2014 10:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
indycarfan wrote:

The 100 year old myth of Democrat vs. Republican. It’s not ‘Right or Left’ but ‘Right or Wrong’. Don’t get sucked in to the Myth.

Feb 14, 2014 10:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
stuttgart100 wrote:

LOVE it!

Unions are scum-bags conman, they only pocket their wallets and don’t do a damn thing for employees

Feb 14, 2014 10:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
poster1234 wrote:

A vote for a union is a vote to one day close your facility.

Feb 14, 2014 10:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MassResident wrote:

No manager in the US wants to have to cope with an American union. That situation started in the 60′s and has gotten nothing but worse. The unions can’t even convince workers that employers won’t go elsewhere if the union gets in. It doesn’t help that the Democrats are just as much the party of big business as the Republicans and the union leaders insist on supporting them anyway.

Feb 14, 2014 10:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse

It is my understanding that in some states if you want a job you are required to join a union regardless of your own inclinations. If a company treats you right, why should a worker pay for dues in a union?

Feb 14, 2014 10:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse

It is my understanding that in some states if you want a job you are required to join a union regardless of your own inclinations. If a company treats you right, why should a worker pay for dues in a union?

Feb 14, 2014 10:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Blackbeered wrote:

Giving the history of job destruction and corruption, I’m shocked that these rednecks have more sense than the 3,000,000 idle workers in the Rust Belt.

I guess 2,000 jobs at $60,000/yr in wage and benefits is a heck of a lot better than 0 jobs at $160,000/yr in wage and benefits.

Feb 14, 2014 10:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Looks like, sadly for the Commies posting here, Democracy worked. Having been in a Union all I can say is, I made a heck of a lot more $10/hr and had much better benefits in a non-union company. Unions suck pure and simple.

Feb 14, 2014 10:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MarkMulligan wrote:

We currently drive 2 old VWs–both are more than 10 years old and we are beginning to look at replacements. Unfortunately, this decision by the United States’ workers at the VW plant will encourage us to look to a different brand this time. I have always supported the German style industrial model of worker participation on Boards of Directors. As far as I am concerned, we have a lot to learn from the Germans. Too bad. The US just keeps moving backwards. The multi-billonaires will soon own everything while we are left to rent everything from them with no vacation, no health care and no votes.

Feb 14, 2014 10:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
1TrueAmerican wrote:

Thank God that people are finally coming to their senses, realizing that those competing in a global economy, must be competitive. Unions are a form of fascism which is not only outdated, it’s immoral and destructive to our economy. We need jobs, not corrupt Unions!

Feb 14, 2014 10:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
actnow wrote:

I’ve seen first hand what the UAW did in Detroit and Illinois. Ultimately, their work has resulted in a mass job exodus from these areas. The union bosses won, but ultimately, most workers lost in the long run.

Feb 14, 2014 11:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse

The workers have spoken.
They have decided the UAW is self-centered and not really for the workewrs, just for the dues.
Maybe the UAW will get the hint.
. . . THEY ARE ARCHAIC.
. . . THEY ARE A DINOSAUR.
. . . THEY ARE NOT ALWAYS FOR THE WORKERS.
. . . THEY ARE NOTE WANTED.

As a side note, I have personally beaten President Bob King at the negotiating table and found the UAW to be a paper tiger. Also, during their weak efforts at contract negotiations, the local employhees have almost zero say in the terms. The contract and terms were dictated by National Solidarity House, and not the local committee. Thus, their claim that the “plant workers” will have a “say” is blatantly false. I once tried to tell them how to get a foothold in Southern Plants, and a UAW-VP said they knew how to do it, so thanks any how. I guess they do not know.

Feb 14, 2014 11:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
nutjob2 wrote:

ccc

Feb 14, 2014 11:05pm EST  --  Report as abuse
lag46 wrote:

The workers voted no in a democratic process. Anyone who can think for themselves will not be swayed by the president, a senator or any other interfering politician.

Feb 14, 2014 11:05pm EST  --  Report as abuse
hammerhead993 wrote:

Any day a union loses is a great day. Thank God the majority of these workers have sense.

Feb 14, 2014 11:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
nutjob2 wrote:

No-one is mentioning the $577 million in TAXPAYERS money that the state paid to Volkswagen. So this is what Republican fiscal responsibility, small government and free markets look like?

Feb 14, 2014 11:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MacvTm18 wrote:

Best news I have heard in years, lets say since Obummer has been in office anyway !!!!!!!

Feb 14, 2014 11:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jeff_p101 wrote:

How many of you anti-union folk ever worked for a unionized company as a dues paying member? As I began the job from which I am now happily retired from, I was very anti union. Pretty much I only knew what I read in print, or heard/saw on tv, and of course rehetoric from other ignorant folk who had no real knowledge about unions. It is good to remember that most all news is controlled by the corporate world, politicians are paid off, and the ignorant spread disinformation like mayonnaise on a tomato sandwich. To destroy unionized labor (if you are a laborer) is like sawing off the limb on which you are perched. Being ignorant is one thing, staying ignorant is another. How do you think the 1% own 90% or what is, and the other 90% of us divide the leftover 10% of what is?

Feb 14, 2014 11:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
waxtadpole1 wrote:

Right wing scare tactics and lies turned this vote. Ironic how the right whines about government interference in business, then fights tooth and nail to defeat a move toward worker-management cooperation that the company involved (VW) actually supports. Sen. Corker is a liar and should be investigated for undue influence in this election.

Feb 14, 2014 11:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
antagonizer wrote:

Freedom prevailed in Chattanooga! The useless U.A.W. was embarrassed and defeated. I have seen the results of the U.A.W. and their numerous strikes at the Peterbilt plant in Madison Tn, or better stated, the former Peterbilt plant. For at least a year after the plant closed the union idiots sat outside the gate in their little shack, protesting the empty plant. Two miles alway on the same road, the United Rubber Workers struck the Armstrong Pirelli tire plant out of existence. Any day a union loses is a good day.

Feb 14, 2014 11:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Stanley7746 wrote:

The margin of the vote is hardly a stunning defeat.

Feb 14, 2014 11:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
spj3k54 wrote:

This is a lost battle. The war has not been lost. This is the south, a totally different culture than the rest of the country. The European and Japanese car manufacturers have moved into an area that politicians can control and manipulate workers, that have never had unions. As far as the workers go, can’t miss what you never had. Will the southern workers see in time how much money is being made off of their work? Maybe, but a job is a job. I doubt they will ever unionize. It is a long grind to fight for workers rights, especially in today’s economic situation. On to the next battle.

Feb 14, 2014 11:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rgw5027 wrote:

UAW regional director whines that “We think it’s unfortunate that there was some outside influence exerted into this process.” How about the constant outside influence attempts by big union leaders in bringing in busloads of out-of-staters to protest and intimidate when their interests are at risk, such as in Wisconsin? And all funded by union member dues, rather than using those dues to shore up member benefits. What self-serving hypocracy!

Feb 15, 2014 12:01am EST  --  Report as abuse
NutziPelosi wrote:

HA HA HA Screw the UAW which supports illegal alien rights in the USA , AND SUPPORTS CLIMATE CHANGE AND GAY MARRIAGE, OH AND LETS NOT FORGET THE UAW WAS UNANIMOUSLY FOR OBAMACARE ! A VICTORY FOR AMERICA !

Feb 15, 2014 12:04am EST  --  Report as abuse
NutziPelosi wrote:

HA HA HA Screw the UAW which supports illegal alien rights in the USA , AND SUPPORTS CLIMATE CHANGE AND GAY MARRIAGE, OH AND LETS NOT FORGET THE UAW WAS UNANIMOUSLY FOR OBAMACARE ! A VICTORY FOR AMERICA !

Feb 15, 2014 12:04am EST  --  Report as abuse
NutziPelosi wrote:

HA HA HA Screw the UAW which supports illegal alien rights in the USA , AND SUPPORTS CLIMATE CHANGE AND GAY MARRIAGE, OH AND LETS NOT FORGET THE UAW WAS UNANIMOUSLY FOR OBAMACARE ! A VICTORY FOR AMERICA !

Feb 15, 2014 12:04am EST  --  Report as abuse
umkomazi wrote:

Good result! Unions destroy just about any workplace they touch!

They destroyed great chunks of industry here in the 51st State during the 70s – letting a union in to a workplace is like had a personal representative of Stalin in the factory!

Feb 15, 2014 12:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
amweek wrote:

They will move to Mexico or China, as soon as the US economy enter into another growth period. At that time,they just can not be OK with each other any more, the capital and the labor.

Feb 15, 2014 12:56am EST  --  Report as abuse
amweek wrote:

They will move to Mexico or China, as soon as the US economy enter into another growth period. At that time,they just can not be OK with each other any more, the capital and the labor.

Feb 15, 2014 12:56am EST  --  Report as abuse
amweek wrote:

They will move to Mexico or China, as soon as the US economy enter into another growth period. At that time,they just can not be OK with each other any more, the capital and the labor.

Feb 15, 2014 12:56am EST  --  Report as abuse
amweek wrote:

They will move to Mexico or China, as soon as the US economy enter into another growth period. At that time,they just can not be OK with each other any more, the capital and the labor.

Feb 15, 2014 12:56am EST  --  Report as abuse
amweek wrote:

They will move to Mexico or China, as soon as the US economy enter into another growth period. At that time,they just can not be OK with each other any more

Feb 15, 2014 1:03am EST  --  Report as abuse
hardlucky wrote:

@Fortdearborn Civil war?? you and what army?

Feb 15, 2014 1:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
hardlucky wrote:

@fortdearborn “Civil War” lol you and what army ? singing john lenon song and holding hands are so sixtyish

Feb 15, 2014 1:23am EST  --  Report as abuse
rickpoggio wrote:

I was in the UAW. They did nothing for me. I was injured at work and they turned their back. Oh, did I forget to mention that the plant that I worked at is now closed, which my union said would never happen (Local UAW 2244). You can bash the Republicans, whom I do not support, but look at the real world. The Democrats want the union because they put them in office and the Republicans don’t want them because the unions support the Democrats. We don’t live in the world of sweat shops anymore and if we did, then someone would run to the media to expose it. From what I’ve dealt with, the unions want their dues and will promise the stars but deliver mediocrity at best. If you’ve been in a union, did you notice that the people who represent you are the ones that can’t do your job? Personally, I’ve dealt with both union and non-union shops my whole life, and I’ve been better off in a non union job every time. One last thought: the next time you go to the DMV, look at how you’re treated by the employees. How’s their customer service? Remember that your state and federal workers are all part of a union. I hear people talk about “Big Business” trying to take over the country, but big unions are big business too.

Feb 15, 2014 1:38am EST  --  Report as abuse
Maxwells wrote:

The majority of VW workers get-it, Unions don’t care about workers they only want to pocket the workers cash to influence politicians and gain power, the workers have nothing to gain. It’s too easy for corporations to pack-up and move to a more business friendly State with fresh tax breaks and eager workers. Unions have become organized crime that threatens the efficiency of American business in a global economy.

Feb 15, 2014 1:45am EST  --  Report as abuse
rickpoggio wrote:

I was in the UAW. They did nothing for me. I was injured at work and they turned their back. Oh, did I forget to mention that the plant that I worked at is now closed, which my union said would never happen (Local UAW 2244). You can bash the Republicans, whom I do not support, but look at the real world. The Democrats want the union because they put them in office and the Republicans don’t want them because the unions support the Democrats. We don’t live in the world of sweat shops anymore and if we did, then someone would run to the media to expose it. From what I’ve dealt with, the unions want their dues and will promise the stars but deliver mediocrity at best. If you’ve been in a union, did you notice that the people who represent you are the ones that can’t do your job? Personally, I’ve dealt with both union and non-union shops my whole life, and I’ve been better off in a non union job every time. One last thought: the next time you go to the DMV, look at how you’re treated by the employees. How’s their customer service? Remember that your state and federal workers are all part of a union. I hear people talk about “Big Business” trying to take over the country, but big unions are big business too.

Feb 15, 2014 1:51am EST  --  Report as abuse
rickpoggio wrote:

I was in the UAW. They did nothing for me. I was injured at work and they turned their back. Oh, did I forget to mention that the plant that I worked at is now closed, which my union said would never happen (Local UAW 2244). You can bash the Republicans, whom I do not support, but look at the real world. The Democrats want the union because they put them in office and the Republicans don’t want them because the unions support the Democrats. We don’t live in the world of sweat shops anymore and if we did, then someone would run to the media to expose it. From what I’ve dealt with, the unions want their dues and will promise the stars but deliver mediocrity at best. If you’ve been in a union, did you notice that the people who represent you are the ones that can’t do your job? Personally, I’ve dealt with both union and non-union shops my whole life, and I’ve been better off in a non union job every time. One last thought: the next time you go to the DMV, look at how you’re treated by the employees. How’s their customer service? Remember that your state and federal workers are all part of a union. I hear people talk about “Big Business” trying to take over the country, but big unions are big business too.

Feb 15, 2014 1:51am EST  --  Report as abuse
beastmode wrote:

VW wanted the unions.. Sorry you wingnuts but this is a lose for VW.. Next move will be to Mexico.. Corker will be standing with his pants down. He fear mongered his win but can’t deliver..

Feb 15, 2014 1:52am EST  --  Report as abuse

It was their choice, luckily they work for a company that demonstrates it values it’s workers. It is a much different culture, and happier overall, the ours.

Anyhow, wouldn’t it be funny if VW decided to still put second line in Mexico, i bet not one of those so quick to bash unions on this thread would post one comment.

Actnow, the UAW did not destroy Detroit, urban flight to the suburbs did. SE Michigan is still a very vibrant area, but all the money is in the burbs. Just like immigrants are not the cause of all your problems.

Feb 15, 2014 1:55am EST  --  Report as abuse
kbill wrote:

The UAW did a great job representing the best interests of workers in Detroit…you remember Detroit? They used to make cars there.

Feb 15, 2014 1:58am EST  --  Report as abuse
kbill wrote:

The UAW alone did not destroy Detroit…they had help from the Democratic party grifters who ravished the assets of the city with fraud and public employee “sweetheart” benefits, as well as, weak management of the big U.S. automakers who ignored the wishes of their markets and the greater good of society and the environment. It was a perfect storm of “progressive” values which destroyed Detroit.

Feb 15, 2014 2:05am EST  --  Report as abuse
ssor wrote:

I like the comment in the article – “why buy a ticket on the Titanic”. Provided that the industry must compete for labor (which they must), the unions provide poor value for the workers.

The unions destroyed the auto industry in the rustbelt only after the unions destroyed the steel industry.

Feb 15, 2014 2:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
steveb. wrote:

So the UAW has been the “outside” interference for the last 2 years but now they are screaming like wounded wildabeests because of what a few politicians said over a couple weeks? If those politicians are guilty of anything…then so is obama.

Feb 15, 2014 2:09am EST  --  Report as abuse
fredjohnson wrote:

Look what Unions have done for America. They destroyed Detroit with their greed and corruptness.. They forced most manufacturing to Asia with their greed. They destroyed the textile industry with their greed. They’ve unionized government workers where clerks make twice the average working person’s pay and get pensions and healthcare for life. All thanks to YOUR tax dollars. The list goes on and on and on. Do you think it’s just coincidence that so many of their leaders are and were tied to Organized Crime? They charge members ridiculously high dues to waste on jets, limos, big houses for the Unions leaders. They give hundreds of millions each election to Democrat candidates as bribe money for their greedy, corrupt agenda. They don’t care about their members. They only want more more more money for themselves. They are ruthless, despicable stains on the fabric of America.

Feb 15, 2014 2:12am EST  --  Report as abuse
fredjohnson wrote:

Unions have destroyed America. We must destroy Unions.

Feb 15, 2014 2:13am EST  --  Report as abuse
hobocop wrote:

google oblama typical 3d conversion

Feb 15, 2014 2:16am EST  --  Report as abuse

I’m relieved to hear TN workers are smart enough to keep the UAW out of their lives! Hopefully TN can stay business friendly and forward looking!

Feb 15, 2014 2:22am EST  --  Report as abuse

Bravo, Bravo, Bravo for Chattanooga TN. and the employees of V.W. The UAW must now know this ain’t a bunch of red-neck, uneducated workers who will willy-nilly go for union rhetoric that in the long run is pure bullsiht! These UAW fat-cats have sung the same old tune for decades and look who has reaped all the rewards. Billions have been taken by them leaving only heartbreak for most everyone else. We need not a middle man to play us for patsies. We are quite capable of working with VW and the buying public who, in the final analysis, pays all the bills! Good-night UAW….

Feb 15, 2014 2:25am EST  --  Report as abuse
AlbertFlasher wrote:

HaHaHa
Those dumbass hillbillies in Chattanooga are about to get what they deserve.
Now that the company has the blessing of their workers to screw them over, the workers might want to stop at Walgreens and grab a jar of Vaseline… they’re going to need it!
BTW… I was born in Hixson and partially raised in Soddy Daisy (subburbs of Chatt.).

Feb 15, 2014 2:26am EST  --  Report as abuse
specialg wrote:

People don’t get it. They think these corporations will treat workers fairly out of the kindness of their heart. Not true. They’re a business. They will pay you as little as they can get away with. The only leverage the worker has is organization. It’s not socialism. The corporations themselves are organized. All their business partners, suppliers and financers are organized. The only thing that’s not organized is the labor. Unless we change that we’re going to be working 12 hour days for nine bucks and hour with no benefits and no over time. Workers are as necessary to a business as electricity. If a company doesn’t pay their electric bill it gets turned off. They same should be the case with labor.

Feb 15, 2014 2:30am EST  --  Report as abuse

Big Labors biggest fights in the last 20 years have been over healthcare. With the ACA “Obamacare” that fight is no longer an issue since all big companies are mandated to provide insurance to their workers. So….who needs the UAW?

Feb 15, 2014 2:32am EST  --  Report as abuse

Big Labors biggest fights in the last 20 years have been over healthcare. With the ACA “Obamacare” that fight is no longer an issue since all big companies are mandated to provide insurance to their workers. So….who needs the UAW?

Feb 15, 2014 2:32am EST  --  Report as abuse
roark183 wrote:

Odd that Bob King, the UAW president, should feel so outraged at outside influence. Indeed he accepted the influence of Berthold Huber, chairman of the powerful German labor union IG Metall.

If UAW can draw on outside influence from 5000 miles away in Germany, why would he object to outside influence just 500 miles away in Washington DC ? UAW duplicity is pretty obvious.

It appears Mr King will soon have his hat handed to him, as his plans for unionizing autoworkers in the Deep South may have crashed. Perhaps he should go back and consult the German labor leader, Mr Huber.

Feb 15, 2014 2:32am EST  --  Report as abuse
magnusalpha wrote:

Unions are needed at manufacturers where the company doesn’t care about the employees, only cares about profits. When you work for a company that treats its employees fairly, those workers don’t need a union to defend them. VW treats their employees very well when compared with GM or Ford or Chrysler.

Feb 15, 2014 2:35am EST  --  Report as abuse

Bravo, Bravo, Bravo for Chattanooga TN. and the employees of V.W. The UAW must now know this ain’t a bunch of red-neck, uneducated workers who will willy-nilly go for union rhetoric that in the long run is pure bullsiht! These UAW fat-cats have sung the same old tune for decades and look who has reaped all the rewards. Billions have been taken by them leaving only heartbreak for most everyone else. We need not a middle man to play us for patsies. We are quite capable of working with VW and the buying public who, in the final analysis, pays all the bills! Good-night UAW….

Feb 15, 2014 2:39am EST  --  Report as abuse
Laykin wrote:

Oh Please !

Such over-the-top hyperbole . Let’s just let the air out of the tires a little , let things settle down and wait for the decision as to where the new “cross-over” vehicle will be built . If it’s tennessee then everything will be hunky-dory . If it’s Mexico then the 626 anti-union voters will most certainly feel like falling on their swords and the UAW will most likely be back for round two

>>>>>>>>>Joel Laykin, HK

Feb 15, 2014 2:49am EST  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

The USA car industry fell apart because they had lousy, out-dated designs and lousy build quality. That is not the fault of the UAW.

The UAW itself is also a dinosaur. While unions are needed as a counter-weight to management (who *will* exploit the workers at every opportunity…), the age of the union as a wannabe political party run by wannabe politicians is (or should be ) over.

Feb 15, 2014 2:59am EST  --  Report as abuse
Chagrined wrote:

712 Volkswagen employees don’t believe the Union could improve working conditions, better pay, etc. or were they intimidated by the Republicans who threatened punitive action should they vote in a Union.
Low self-esteem because of a lack of education is the driving force for voting against a union. They believe they don’ t deserve better than what a right-to-work state provides – the right to work for low wages, few, if any benefits by foreign companies. Though it seems that Germany is more worker friendly than most.
I am very disappointed because I think we southerners deserve better. I worked ten years for American Airlines and now receive a monthly retirement check because we had a very good union.

Feb 15, 2014 3:20am EST  --  Report as abuse
787PIC wrote:

Amazing how ignorant in-breads always manage to vote against their own interest and with the people who do everything to keep them down!
They deserve to live like scabs.

Feb 15, 2014 3:21am EST  --  Report as abuse
MAthari wrote:

Unions don’t work in a supply economy. Three jobs for every person. Unions need to join forces and transform themselves into national workers rights groups like the chamber of commerce does for business. Instead of fighting with employers, lobby congress.

Feb 15, 2014 4:22am EST  --  Report as abuse
Jim_Dandy wrote:

I was forced into a union and I lost money! I used to get bonuses for exemplary work but now I’m part of a group that seems to reward the common but not the ones who put forth extra effort.

Feb 15, 2014 5:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
sangell3 wrote:

Good! Now can we please do something about railroad unions and their 19th century labor policies that allow totally unqualified engineers with nothing but seniority to make train crashes almost as routine as auto accidents. Would any of us fly in Delta promoted its pilots from amongst the ranks of baggage handlers and flight attendents? Well that’s how the guy in the locomotive got his position.

Feb 15, 2014 6:21am EST  --  Report as abuse
sangell3 wrote:

Volkswagen now needs to use Obama style NSA snooping to find out who the 600 odd union stooges were and fire them.

Feb 15, 2014 6:30am EST  --  Report as abuse
TPAINE3 wrote:

Union officials are corrupt, drive up costs, create divisions where none exist and after two of our automakers had to have “bailouts,” the workders in Tennessee, rightly said: “No thanks.”

Feb 15, 2014 7:32am EST  --  Report as abuse
unionwv wrote:

“… even President Barack Obama waded into the discussion early on Friday, accusing Republican politicians of being more concerned about German shareholders than U.S. workers.”

EVEN Obama? Since when is Obama’s speechifying upon every occasion, in doubt?

As to the substance of Obama’s remark, just look at what the workers themselves said in the article.

Only Obama sees this vote, as everything else he disagrees with, as Republican deviltry.

Feb 15, 2014 7:38am EST  --  Report as abuse
ready2013 wrote:

the pendulum swings between big business and unions. Big business was strong at one time when needed to get things moving then the a need for employee representation was needed and thus unions were developed and became strong. Unions exploited their power (making outrageous demands – many cases shutting businesses down) and they began to deteriorate. At this point the pendulum is in the middle, at the bottom of its arc, where business and employee interest are mutual. has the pendulum stopped? no…probably not…an economic turn (or political/governmental changes)will affect this.

I have, we all have, benefited from the initiatives of Unions, the health insurance, benefits, pay level, holiday/vacations, are the result of Union representation. but union greed went to far and people (as seen in not just this vote, but in the north also) don’t feel they need representation at this time, until the unions moderate themselves. the greed instinct exist in business, unions and the employee.

Unions need to prevent abuse of the worker but does not need to take advantage of their power and stand up for slothful workers. their aim should be to both assist the business in making a profit and protect beneficial employee also.

one thing to always remember, employment is initiated by someone creating a business (for profit). as employees we need to recognize that. secondary to that, sometimes we need others to support us.

Feb 15, 2014 7:41am EST  --  Report as abuse
unionwv wrote:

“The old union bosses have been defeated.” – fortdearborn

Really?

Apparently you are not aware of Richard Trumpka’s background.

He is now the president of the Detroit-oriented UAW, but he remains an old-line United Mine Workers Union thug from the WV coalfields.

Feb 15, 2014 7:51am EST  --  Report as abuse
ready2013 wrote:

Bakhtin,
you are partially right. japan built cars with much better designs but also cheaper. Some European autos are high quality (those that weren’t are gone). You making such broad statements that the union did not affect this is absolutely an unsubstantiated and superficial. you need to look at the outrageous benefits the autoworker received (and many continue to receive), the unnecessary jobs that they forced to be created and their support of slothful workers (and unskilled worker which affects quality).

however, I agree, the UAW is a dinosaur, and needs a new creation or significant mutations to become useful to both the business and the employee.

Feb 15, 2014 7:58am EST  --  Report as abuse
riposte wrote:

congrats to the workers…they saw thru the clutter, before it was too late….I wish you and vw and any other company, that might now want to come to your state and build abusinesse there….great luck in your venture TOGETHER….you know the strong, hungry American spirit, still resides there and is eager for opportunities……

Feb 15, 2014 8:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
GGGGGGGGGG wrote:

Very passionate arguments on both sides.
The fact of the matter is…You as an employee are NOT ENTITLED to a job, you must be a responsible ADULT and keep it through perseverance and dedication. After all, you are being paid!

@1True American summed it up best-”Thank God that people are finally coming to their senses, realizing that those competing in a global economy, must be competitive. Unions are a form of fascism which is not only outdated, it’s immoral and destructive to our economy. We need jobs, not corrupt Unions”!

Feb 15, 2014 8:35am EST  --  Report as abuse
JamVee wrote:

I am thankful that the workers turned down this bid by the Unions.

Labor Unions have “devolved”, over time, until they became one of the primary causes for the DISAPPEARANCE of manufacturing in the US.

Feb 15, 2014 8:38am EST  --  Report as abuse
DJ65 wrote:

It truly amazes me how people take something and turn it into a political debate. Have any of you worked in a unionized company before? Not everyone who works there belongs to the union, for one. And, two: union members political affiliations don’t usually play into their decision-making. I have worked with many, many union members who are Democrats, and many who are Republicans. Union members care about what they deem are fair labor practices, plain and simple. And, it doesn’t matter what party affiliation the offending person(s) belong to, the union will come together against them if they feel they are being treated unfairly. Usually though, most union workers I know are pretty satisfied with their company. Granted, everyone’s situation is different and there might be someone in this forum with a different experience than mine. But, if you’ve never been union, or worked with a union, how do you have any idea what you’re talking about? I am highly suspicious of anyone who posts or comments on here who doesn’t express their experience working with a union-supported company or organization. If you’re trying to merely spread hate and discontent by turning this discussion into a political debate, then move on, trolls!

Feb 15, 2014 8:41am EST  --  Report as abuse
sinte wrote:

Common sense wins out this time. I guess enough people learned something from Detroit.

Feb 15, 2014 8:45am EST  --  Report as abuse
4825 wrote:

The unions and the democrats ruined several of the cities in the north, Detroit being a glowing example. Of course the liberals are going to try to convience you they had nothing to do with destroying Detroit but we all know the causes. Progressive for the folks of Detroit equaled a regressive outcome.

Feb 15, 2014 8:52am EST  --  Report as abuse
Big2Tex wrote:

The American worker, especially in the South, is much smarter than the union thugs and sympathizers ever give credit. They were hammered with propaganda for months from both sides and millions of dollars in outside funding. They chose to not unionize on their own accord and chose quit wisely. The union promised nothing to anyone except the democratic socialist party. the workers would not make more money, gain more benefits, work fewer hours….VW would not get better workers, more skilled workers, better trained workers, With the union, VW loses, the worker loses, and America loses as the next VW plant would have gone to Mexico……ans so would the next Nissan Plant, Toyota Plant, BMW Plant, Hyundai Plant, GM Plant, …….

Feb 15, 2014 9:05am EST  --  Report as abuse
catamount62 wrote:

Glad to see someone actively combat the union thugs. Used to know a guy that did work for Cadillac as a subcontractor. He designed grills. He had a meeting to show a new pro-type and was stopped by a union member that said he was not allowed to carry his grill, they had to summon a “lumper” to carry it for him. It just so happened to be union mandated break time, and he was forced to sit through the break, and then an additional 10 minutes and was late to the meeting. And to the union whiners claiming that the gov and senator were “unfair”; it least they didn’t send busloads of protesters to someone’s house or beat anyone up. Aggressive and underhanded techniques are usually exclusively the union’s calling card.

Feb 15, 2014 9:22am EST  --  Report as abuse
DH.Barr wrote:

@fortdearborn “The unions in Germany sit on the board of directors, innovate, volunteer as a whole for flex time( less hours in slow times”

When is the last time you heard of workers at a UAW plant doing that? Where have you seen them step up to help an automaker stay competitive? You claim the “corrupt old unions are dead”, but can anyone that held GM bonds before the bankruptcy believe that?

The workers at the VW plant sent the UAW packing because the UAW offers them nothing. You can call them scabs all you like – the only ones that would be making more money at the end of the day are the UAW leadership.

Feb 15, 2014 9:25am EST  --  Report as abuse
tony4 wrote:

Gosh Jims, it sounds like the working class spoke in this election.That doesn’t really matter to you, does it Jims, because elections are only meaningful if they go your way…right? The President SPOKE, and that did the union a lot of good..didn’t it?

Feb 15, 2014 9:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
NYEric wrote:

The union loses and Tennessee wins! Unions are no longer interested in the well being of the working man. The union bosses only care about their own money and power. Democracy works. The workers at VW said no to becoming the next group of out of work UAW members.

Feb 15, 2014 9:30am EST  --  Report as abuse

Good news for Americans, now let’s hope that the workers at the Benz plant in Alabama follow suit. Like Mike Burton, the anti-union employee at the VW plant said, “We do not need a union to get us what we already have- we don’t need them to speak for us when we can speak for ourselves.” That, my friends, is the American way. Obama is 0 for 15… Every time he wades into a debate, it goes the other way. Let’s hope he backs Clinton as his replacement and his trend continues.

Feb 15, 2014 9:31am EST  --  Report as abuse
hankindelray wrote:

great news..American workers are not as dumb as Obama thinks they are..

Feb 15, 2014 9:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
hankindelray wrote:

great news..American workers are not as dumb as Obama thinks they are..

Feb 15, 2014 9:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
jtos wrote:

Mix says the odds were stacked in UAW’s favor… Next lines read that Senator Corker came in after the first day of voting and stated that if they voted against the union the plant could expand. Is Mix serious? I wonder if he’s read this article!

Feb 15, 2014 9:40am EST  --  Report as abuse
nsgdscp wrote:

Smart move. My husband was a Teamster for years. Not by choice but by force. Teamsters did nothing for him or his fellow workers except take their monthly fees and push for strikes.

Feb 15, 2014 9:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
nsgdscp wrote:

Smart move. My husband was a Teamster for years. Not by choice but by force. Teamsters did nothing for him or his fellow workers except take their monthly fees and push for strikes.

Feb 15, 2014 9:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
nsgdscp wrote:

Smart move. My husband was a Teamster for years. Not by choice but by force. Teamsters did nothing for him or his fellow workers except take their monthly fees and push for strikes.

Feb 15, 2014 9:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
Mac20nine wrote:

Fear. Fear rules what’s left of America.

The one side is ruled by Fear, and votes for it’s own pocketbook. To the exclusion of anything else. They’d vote in Putin if the pundits told them it was necessary.

Face it, in every state the corporations have won and the vast majority dances to whatever tune they call. Thirty odd years of Reaganomics has brought a once great nation to it’s knees. With the SCOTUS and crooks like McConnell and nuts like Pelosi or Ryan we’ll never recover. Vest interests lap at the trough contentedly while working people are told there’s no inflation, that regulation is evil, unions are evil, vile and communist and hey, don’t mind that man behind the curtain over there.

When and how will reasonable people stand up for themselves and re-make the electoral process, get corrupt laws overturned and defend workers in this country? We’ve turned into an entire civilization of armed camps with no sense of community, few shared values, everybody mesmerized by technology, looking at a screen. Even the seniors want their multiple big screen TV’s. Regulation of the banks, credit card co’s, the health industry or any other industry is purported to be draconian and communistic by hacks and then regurgitated by the simple minded, uninformed masses.

Unions built this country and anyone who thinks ALL unions are full of cheating lazy dumb as rocks doesn’t know the first thing about unions. But people fear the unknown, especially when other’s abuse a little power and scare them with the boogieman.

Feb 15, 2014 9:43am EST  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

So, now we just have to wait two weeks for VW to announce that new line – like Corker promised. If he wasn’t flat-out lying, that is.

Feb 15, 2014 9:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
Amskeptic wrote:

If you follow the graph of increasing income-disparity in this country, it mirrors the waning influence of unions. Unions gave us the 40 hour work week, the weekend, and most every other benefit that no corporation would voluntarily offer. Why some American workers would disparage their fellow workers who happen to be unionized, I will never understand. Even with the graft and corruption found in union management, there is also graft and corruption and lobbying in corporate management. The failures of the Biog Three in Detroit can be laid squarely at management’s feet, they gave themselves bonuses as they held their hands out for bailouts, they built shoddy uncompetitive cars, and they slam union benefits and walked away from their pension obligations. Yet, people here slam the unions. God Help Us, but the corporate plutocrats must be dancing today at the stupidity of the somnambulent American worker.

Feb 15, 2014 9:53am EST  --  Report as abuse
avliska wrote:

I worked in an industry my entire career that was part union and part not. It’s true that an industry gets the union it deserves. By that, I mean if they treat their workers well, there isn’t much reason for having a union, and usually the workers won’t unionize. But treat your workers poorly, and union-talk will begin, and the inevitable result is a union. After all, it’s there to protect the worker. It shouldn’t be there just for its own sake or to create bureaucracy. VW must be treating its workers well.

Feb 15, 2014 9:54am EST  --  Report as abuse
grassroot wrote:

Whoops, there goes another opportunity to create more
Obumer voters, and for the far Left. See, this is the
reason ” Right to Work” states are very incomveinient.

Feb 15, 2014 10:00am EST  --  Report as abuse
Madrina wrote:

Good. I think a lot of younger workers are realizing the lack of need for a union. Unions are taking up way too much of budgets anyway, especially teacher’s unions. Where I live it costs $16,000 a year to “educate” a kid in the public school. And that doesn’t even include lunch! I can send my kid to college with a meal plan for that amount so long as they don’t live in the dorms. The sooner we privatize education in America, the better our chances are of actually spending the right amount on our pupils instead of union expenses. Anyway, hooray for the workers in tennessee. Hope VW brings lots of jobs to that area!

Feb 15, 2014 10:02am EST  --  Report as abuse
dbonacum wrote:

This sums it up – “We felt like we were already being treated very well by Volkswagen in terms of pay and benefits and bonuses,” said Sean Moss, who voted against the UAW. “We also looked at the track record of the UAW. Why buy a ticket on the Titanic?” he added.

Feb 15, 2014 10:06am EST  --  Report as abuse
Cleveland2012 wrote:

President Obama getting involved here and failing is another sign of his increasing distance to how people really feel. “Yes we scan.”

Feb 15, 2014 10:07am EST  --  Report as abuse
kafantaris wrote:

UAW was duped alright. No, Senator Bob Corker did them no favorites with his 11th hour threat that VW would not expand the plant if the union was not rejected.
But all is fair in love and war –and UAW may not have won anyway.
Still, it should have suspected that VW had an ace up its sleeve. Its overwhelming accommodations should have been the cue.
In union campaigns, as in trials, you prepare for all 16 scenarios — plus one more. And for that one, all you’ve got to go on is the calmness of your opponent.

Feb 15, 2014 10:26am EST  --  Report as abuse
josef2014 wrote:

the usa idee about union is valid only in usa and commumist country’s
in Germany you can join a union or not but you can still work in any company
here in usa you need to join a union and pay before you can work in union states

Feb 15, 2014 10:27am EST  --  Report as abuse
Trichiurus wrote:

May the UAW become extinct. The workers have spoken Obama…and they do not agree with you and your neo-socialism.

Feb 15, 2014 10:27am EST  --  Report as abuse
boatsaver wrote:

Good choice by these workers. Helps keep the products more favorable
priced with other imports in this country. GM, Ford, and former
Chrysler products have to figure in huge legacy cost to their autos.

Feb 15, 2014 10:37am EST  --  Report as abuse
UrDrighten wrote:

Oh, I get it.

If they voted to unionize, the CrossBlue would be built in Mexico.

And this article claims that VW stayed neutral (snicker, snicker, snicker)!

Feb 15, 2014 10:38am EST  --  Report as abuse
AZ1811 wrote:

What does the union give workers except high dues. Their pay is already better than many union jobs, they don’t have their dues used to finance political campaigns and they don’t have union stewards looking to screw management at every turn. The time for union thug tactics is gone. Good job Tennessee VW workers. Progressives want to run every corner of our world. This vote slows down their aspirations for control of the workers.

Feb 15, 2014 10:38am EST  --  Report as abuse
UrDrighten wrote:

@fortdearborn

The phrase you’re looking for is “dictatorship of the proletariat”. We don’t need another capitalist vs capitalist civil war. We need a workers’ revolution!

Feb 15, 2014 10:40am EST  --  Report as abuse
AZ1811 wrote:

Poor union bosses. Now they won’t get more dues to use to fund their liberal political friends and to pay themselves outrageous salaries. I feel so sad for them. Maybe they can find a good paying non-union job free of harassment and corruption from above.

Feb 15, 2014 10:43am EST  --  Report as abuse
boatsaver wrote:

The President has about as much influence in Tenn on any issue as
does the leader of some tiny South American country. Credibility is
gone from his words even by most democrats, except of course, those
that are directly paycheck or freebe attached to he and his policies.
Only about 1050 days left for this Autocrat.

Feb 15, 2014 10:44am EST  --  Report as abuse

Southerners are no fools. They clearly understand the connection between adversarial union/management relationships and the loss of jobs. In the Northern rust belt, the message still hasn’t sunk in, apparently. The UAW will only continue to weaken until it clearly embraces the sort of cooperative industrial relationships that are typical in Germany.

Feb 15, 2014 10:54am EST  --  Report as abuse
4825 wrote:

The president getting involved is just another example of the liberal democrat agenda of using division in order to conquer. Again, the liberals are trying to divide the country between business and workers in this case. It really is disgusting the way we constantly see them trying to tear this country apart from the inside. They use race, wealth, sex, sexual preference or anything they can to divide us, the people. Keep your eyes wide open and look for yourself. When you see the liberal democrats taking a position, think for yourself and you will see I am right on this.

Feb 15, 2014 10:55am EST  --  Report as abuse
JustProduce wrote:

What is wrong with all these union boosters?
After their defeat, they attack external groups like the GOP. In their rage, they forget that they are in fact implying that the workers are like children who don’t know what is best for them. This is totally disrespectful.
Like it or not, workers voted based on their educated understanding of their options. They are not children. They are family leaders trying to get ahead. The UAW should improve the product it sells before complaining when potential buyers of their garbage refuse to buy.

Feb 15, 2014 11:05am EST  --  Report as abuse
Big2Tex wrote:

Neither Corker or Obama had any influence on the vote. No one tells folks how to vote and certainly no politician or union thug. Do you think anyone in government has any credibility whatsoever? they don’t. The voters at the VW plant looked long and hard at their situation and said, we don’t want a union. Very smart. The threat of a union is the biggest bargaining chip the workers have. But they also know that once the union is in, they are forever screwed by another governing body without any say in their future. Unions are no good for an established industry like automotive. Maybe still good for textiles, agriculture, or small parts assembly. Hurray for the VW workers and plant and America, we all won in the rejection of the unions.

Feb 15, 2014 11:07am EST  --  Report as abuse
JustProduce wrote:

Like in an abusive family relationship, Obama and his government are like the abusive father who insist that he is doing the best for his 30 year old daughter by keeping her in shackles in the basement.
Obama, get over it. You are neither dad and we certainly are not little kids. Get out of the way.

Feb 15, 2014 11:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
TheRightThing wrote:

The average line worker in the VW Chattanooga plant makes $40k a year, has exceptional benefits and an extremely safe work environment.

So, why did the UAW think they were needed? It was always about the UAW, never the workers. After a few years of bullying VW, they would have succeeded in causing a shift to Mexican plants and cost these workers their jobs. This would be okay with the UAW, because they would have collected millions during that time.

VW is building plants around the world to build vehicles as efficiently as possible. There is a reason that they allowed the UAW into the plant to promote the union to workers while barring the opposing voice, the powerful IG Metall union holds sway on the VW board and allowed it.

The workers understood.

Feb 15, 2014 11:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
WhyMeLord wrote:

Left to their own devices, corporations will enslave their workers.
Left to their own devices, politicians will deceive their voters.
Left to their own devices, hybrid political corporations will seek to manipulate elections to ensure the outcomes they deem necessary.
One way to destroy America is to whittle away at American workers.
Corker and his VW soul-mates have just put another brick in the wall.
Imagine where this is taking us; Big Brother and his slave laborers.

Feb 15, 2014 11:21am EST  --  Report as abuse
cirrus7 wrote:

BS headline from blatantly anti-union Reuters Volkswagen of America WANTS the UAW representing workers in order to implement Work Councils. The Councils actually can override the union on work shifts, for example.

Notice how pro-business anti-union Reuters buries the term ‘workers council’ in paragraph 18. Shame on Reuters employing miserable hacks Matthew Lewis, Ross Colvin and Ken Wills. These jokers edited this in Germany and did a terrible job.

Feb 15, 2014 11:22am EST  --  Report as abuse
cirrus7 wrote:

The vote must be certified by the National Labor Relations Board.

National Labor Relations Board expert Kenneth G. Dau-Schmidt, who is professor of labor at the University of Indiana-Bloomington, said Corker was trying to intimidate workers into voting against the union.

“I’m really kind of shocked at Corker’s statement,” said Dau-Schmidt. “It’s so inconsistent with what VW has been saying and VW’s labor relations policy in general.”

The Indiana professor also said Corker’s comments “would be grounds to set the election aside and have to run it all over again at a later date” because it could be ruled to be interfering to the point that it is against federal labor law.”

Source = Reuters on Thursday.

Feb 15, 2014 11:26am EST  --  Report as abuse
4825 wrote:

@cirus7- It won’t stand because vw was the one that said otherwise. Corker’s statement matters not. That is just a sore loser trying to get another bite at the apple.

Feb 15, 2014 11:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
hawkeye19 wrote:

VW needs to kick them all off the property and arrest any who try to get back in. The UAW is a corrupt leeching organization that should be brought to its knees using the RICO statutes.

Feb 15, 2014 11:43am EST  --  Report as abuse

Interesting that it’s ok for Obozo to speak out but not ok for Corker who represents TN! Obozo may have done more harm than good by opening his yap. Thank you!

Feb 15, 2014 11:43am EST  --  Report as abuse
dualcitizen wrote:

Hahahahahaha. This is fun, seeing Obama and all his little commie friends with their panties all in a wad.

Feb 15, 2014 11:43am EST  --  Report as abuse
DaveNeal wrote:

There will be no UAW money given to the communists of the Democratic party from this plant.

Feb 15, 2014 11:51am EST  --  Report as abuse
jdrolte wrote:

To a starving man a piece of stale bread looks like a feast.

Feb 15, 2014 11:52am EST  --  Report as abuse
Turf12 wrote:

47% voted for the union, so let’s not act like it was 1338-0. it’s too bad the GOP senator couldn’t keep his hand’s out of something that didn’t affect him. so what happens now if VW put’s the new model in mexico? will corker be held accountable?

Feb 15, 2014 11:53am EST  --  Report as abuse

@dualcitizen, I do not see anyone with their panties in a bunch? I, being a ‘commie friend’ (still have not figured out how someone who believes in the free market, me and Obama, is a ‘commie’, but whatever), have always said it was the workers choice. Seems as if you all on the right are not for free choice by workers with all your union bashing.

Also to all those saying the ‘UAW destroyed Detroit’, you really need to re learn recent history. But that seems to be a common thread amongst the right nowadays, ignoring history along with present day reality. Southeast Michigan is still a very vibrant area, Detroit itself was destroyed at first by the move of most of the wealthy to the suburbs, then this turned into ‘white flight’ as the city became more African American, the only ones that ended up staying in Detroit are those that could not afford to move. This, over the course of 20-40 years combined with some boneheaded planning decisions, is what got Detroit to where it is today. As I said before SE Michigan is still a very vibrant place, just all the money, and lots of it auto money, is in the suburbs. If the UAW was the culprit the whole area would have been affected.

If you righties continue to ignore realities like this you are contributing to the decline of a once great political party, which will end up being bad for all of us.

Feb 15, 2014 12:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
hellofalife wrote:

So what I read in this article is the union was accusing Corker of interfering in the vote but stood silent as emperor Obama got involved looking to sway the vote…

Pretty typical.

Feb 15, 2014 12:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
COindependent wrote:

The implementation of work councils can be done with or without a union. All that VW management has to do is define the structure and execute it. It can be done without any union–and hundreds of companies across the country do this exact same thing–where employees are part of the discussion–but that does not mean the own the decision. That is left to management.

The UAW, much like the machinists union at Boeing, is an anachronism. With all the Labor laws at the federal level and across the states, employees are afforded protections–but that does not require they have any say in how the business is run.

With the supply of labor available in this country and the lack of new job creation, unskilled or semi-skilled workers will not see wage increases of the past.

It is not going to change until REAL unemployment rates decline and higher workforce participation is secured. We are still well below 2007 levels–yet government continues to impose regulations that force employers to continually realign their workforce to increase productivity. There is no motivation to add one more employee than one might need–especially with the burdens associated with ACA. And, just look what the EPA did in Wyoming this week!

That’s reality–and results in college-educated individuals securing work that does not require a college degree. These same young people voted for it. Now they get to live with the results of their vote.

Feb 15, 2014 12:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
pkraft wrote:

There are several parts of this story that I find really interesting.
First because of this statement “and was particularly surprising for UAW supporters, because Volkswagen had allowed the union access to the factory and officially stayed neutral on the vote”. What’s so surprising? That is how it is supposed to work….did the union come in and not fins the boogeyman like their organizers probably tell everyone is there? I get it, not all factories are this open, but that goes to show you that sometimes the “organizers” who are in many cases NOT employees of the company paint a vastly different picture for the workers, play with their emotions, and basically try and find a crack to drive a wedge into to cause a divide between workers and management.
Second, I understand the legality involved with not making promises to sway a vote. But then how do you separate the “reality” from it? Say the union vote had won, whats the next step? Contract negotiations, economic uncertainty for the plant, you don’t know. And neither does Volkswagen. So if you were the parent company and were looking to choose a plant to make a new SUV in, is it not truthful to state that due to the economic uncertainty caused by the recent union election has affected our decision?
Last, is the UAW’s President making that grandstandingly pathetic statement about being outraged that an elected official had done something to possibly influence the vote against the union. What an utterly stupid and hypocritical statement coming from an organization who specializes in buying politicians to do the very thing (only from the other direction).
The UAW came in, backed by a foreign organization (IG Metall). Tried to sell a product to the workers that they didn’t want. The deal is done. But it’s a win for the workers. This is incentive for the company to keep them happy. UAW is trying to convince them that they need a union, for what? So they can pay dues….and not get any benefit from it? I doubt it would result in significant increases for the workers. That is why all the plants moved south in the first place. So they can build cars cheaper than they can in Detroit, and still pay the workers wages well beyond the area average.

STOP THE HYPOCRISY. I can see it all over the posts. Bashing republicans…please. So this type of behavior is fine as long as DEMOCRATS are doing it and its in your interest. But the second its not, you start stamping your feet and sniveling.How many times have the unions threatened businesses? You know, those things that help you pay your bills, create an economy, etc? And has anyone stopped to ask themselves why these German Unions are so concerned with and trying to influence what goes on in American factories? Why they want us to create “WORKER’S COUNCILS”? That’s a fine idea for a socialist country (Germany). What is their goal here? Figure that out. You are being played and you don’t even realize it. Democratic politicians want union money, and union’s want to give it to them to get their way. That money comes from the workers dues. That keeps the union leaders living in high style, many of whom have never actually worked in a factory. That money comes from you, the worker. You are just pawns in the politicians and Union leaders games.
So what is the German angle to all this? I can’t figure that part out.

Feb 15, 2014 12:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

All of VW’s plants in Germany are unionized. Fact.
btw; I, for one, cannot wait for VW’s announcement of the new line in TN like Corker promised. This will be good. [snark/off]

Feb 15, 2014 12:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

btw; why did Corker have to stick his extreme right-wing Republican ideology into this? It’s clearly between VW and it’s employees. nothing more.

Feb 15, 2014 12:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bxdr56a wrote:

I don’t know exactly what a “work council” is but I am almost 100% confident that the same results can be achieved in other ways without requiring unionization. This is just an excuse by the unions.

Feb 15, 2014 1:05pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Big2Tex wrote:

There is nothing extreme about Corker’s views or statements. ..Corker was elected by his constituents and he has every right to voice his opinion about matters that concern his constituents. Being against unions is as American as apple pie. Unions do not benefit anyone except the union bosses and their political puppet masters. Hurray for the democratic vote of the workers in rejecting the unions. We should rid ourselves of all unions as they serve no purpose in a free society.

Feb 15, 2014 1:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
dualcitizen wrote:

In early January 2014, Bob Lonsberry, a Rochester talk radio personality on WHAM 1180 AM, said this in response to Obama’s “income inequality speech”:
Two Americas
The Democrats are right, there are two Americas.
The America that works, and the America that doesn’t.
The America that contributes, and the America that doesn’t.

It’s not the haves and the have nots, it’s the dos and the don’ts.
Some people do their duty as Americans, obey the law, support themselves, contribute to society, and others don’t. That’s the divide in America.

It’s not about income inequality, it’s about civic irresponsibility.

It’s about a political party (democratic) that preaches hatred, greed and victimization in order to win elective office.

It’s about a political party that loves power more than it loves its country. That’s not invective, that’s truth, and it’s about time someone said it.

The politics of envy was on proud display a couple weeks ago when President Obama pledged the rest of his term to fighting “income inequality.” He noted that some people make more than other people, that some people have higher incomes than others, and he says that’s not just.
That is the rationale of thievery. The other guy has it, you want it, Obama will take it for you. Vote Democrat.

That is the philosophy that produced Detroit. It is the electoral philosophy that is destroying America.

It conceals a fundamental deviation from American values and common sense because it ends up not benefiting the people who support it, but a betrayal.

The Democrats have not empowered their followers, they have enslaved them in a culture of dependence and entitlement, of victim-hood and anger instead of ability and hope.

The president’s premise – that you reduce income inequality by debasing the successful – seeks to deny the successful the consequences of their choices and spare the unsuccessful the consequences of their choices.

Because, by and large, income variations in society is a result of different choices leading to different consequences. Those who choose wisely and responsibility have a far greater likelihood of success, while those who choose foolishly and irresponsibly have a far greater likelihood of failure. Success and failure usually manifest themselves in personal and family income.

You choose to drop out of high school or to skip college – and you are apt to have a different outcome than someone who gets a diploma and pushes on with purposeful education.

You have your children out of wedlock and life is apt to take one course; you have them within a marriage and life is apt to take another course.

Most often in life our destination is determined by the course we take.
My doctor, for example, makes far more than I do. There is significant income inequality between us. Our lives have had an inequality of outcome, but, our lives also have had an in equality of effort. While my doctor went to college and then devoted his young adulthood to medical school and residency, I got a job in a restaurant.

He made a choice, I made a choice, and our choices led us to different outcomes. His outcome pays a lot better than mine.
Does that mean he cheated and Barack Obama needs to take away his wealth? No, it means we are both free men in a free society where free choices lead to different outcomes.

It is not inequality Barack Obama intends to take away, it is freedom. The freedom to succeed, and the freedom to fail.
There is no true option for success if there is no true option for failure.

The pursuit of happiness means a whole lot less when you face the punitive hand of government if your pursuit brings you more happiness than the other guy. Even if the other guy sat on his butt and did nothing. Even if the other guy made a lifetime’s worth of asinine and shortsighted decisions.

Barack Obama and the Democrats preach equality of outcome as a right, while completely ignoring inequality of effort.
The simple Law of the Harvest – as ye sow, so shall ye reap – is sometimes applied as, “The harder you work, the more you get.” Obama would turn that upside down. Those who achieve are to be punished as enemies of society and those who fail are to be rewarded as wards of society.

Entitlement will replace effort as the key to upward mobility in American society if Barack Obama gets his way. He seeks a lowest common denominator society in which the government besieges the successful and productive to foster equality through mediocrity.

He and his party speak of two Americas, and their grip on power is based on using the votes of one to sap the productivity of the other. America is not divided by the differences in our outcomes, it is divided by the differences in our efforts. It is a false philosophy to say one man’s success comes about unavoidably as the result of another man’s victimization.
What Obama offered was not a solution, but a separatism. He fomented division and strife, pitted one set of Americans against another for his own political benefit. That’s what socialists offer. Marxist class warfare wrapped up with a bow.

Two Americas, coming closer each day to proving the truth to Lincoln’s maxim that a house divided against itself cannot stand.

Feb 15, 2014 1:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
caligrrl wrote:

To all the anti-union comments here (I wanted to say commenters but apparently that’s not a real word according to Reuters): When I was in a union, I got a higher wage than the corresponding non-union workers–far more than required to make up for my union dues. Why does everyone harp on dues when they are in the range of 25 cents an hour?

Feb 15, 2014 1:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

Those of you who are applauding this anti-union vote should consider some basic facts. No where among developed nations is there greater wealth disparity than the United States. No where is there a more egregious example of the rich getting richer and everyone else getting poorer. Our healthcare is the most expensive in the world. We have less upward mobility than any other developed nation. The wealthiest .1% have bought out our government leaving the other 99.9% without representation. In short, the American Middle Class is dying.

Here’s something else to consider. Regardless of your current opinion of labor unions, they are one of the primary reasons why the American Middle Class became the greatest in the world. They fought for American workers. They gave American working people a voice and, because they were organized, gave American working people power. That has all but faded from the American economic landscape. Those people who are opposing labor unions are opposing Americans’ right to have a voice in how this country conducts its affairs. Labor unions give the American Middle Class a fighting chance. Anyone doubting this can just do a cursory study of the history of America’s working class, and do some research into the role labor unions play in Germany today. They can still work for Americans today if we’d only let them and stop listening to the plutocrats’ endless propaganda denigrating organized labor. As always, it’s just plutocrats’ endless pursuit of profit maximization.

Feb 15, 2014 2:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

Big2Tex: “Unions do not benefit anyone except the union bosses and their political puppet masters… We should rid ourselves of all unions as they serve no purpose in a free society.”

We’ve tried it the Democrats’ way during the 1940s – the 1970s, and we’ve been doing it the Republicans’ way since the 1980s to the present. When we did it the Democrats’ way, unions were strong and did amazing things for the American worker. Since we’ve been doing it the Republican way, unions have been decimated and who speaks for the American worker now? No one. Those are our choices. If you like the present state of the American Middle Class, continue to support Republicans and oppose labor unions. If you thought the American Middle Class fared better during the 1940s – 1970s, vote Democrat and support labor unions.

Feb 15, 2014 2:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

You know something, dualcitizen, Americans are really getting sick and tired of being insulted by the right. Mitt Romney and his little 47% speech is proof of what I’m saying. He lost. Obama won. We bust our butts everyday trying to make a living without even being represented in our government, and then we have to listen to, or read, ignorant insults like yours. We are proud Americans and we’re sick of your crap. If you really have dual citizenship, why don’t you carry your arse back to your other country, if Americans are so stupid and lazy.

I ask you, if you really think that there are so many Americans getting a free ride, just who is it that’s giving this to them? Where is their representation? The Democrats? Not hardly. Democratic politicians have to kiss the rings of the rich plutocrats just like the Republicans do. Or else we’d have free healthcare for everyone, no? Instead, we have the most expensive healthcare in the world. And let’s not forget that there are plenty of poor, white Republicans on welfare, food stamps, and Medicaid. The labor unions? No. They don’t have much sway anymore.

Let’s cut to the chase, shall we? The poor, and the rest of that 47% that you love to hate have no one representing them because they don’t have any money to bribe any politicians with. The very wealthy decide all matters of government. They give as little to the rest of us as they can get away with and still keep us from organizing and revolting. It’s a process of appeasement. That’s the reality, not the ignorant propaganda espoused by AM talk radio, the real source of hatred and division.

Feb 15, 2014 2:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

@dualcitizen
The American congress is certified 100% fascist, so is the executive and the supreme court. Corporations now corporations tomorrow corporations forever. Fascism now rules America, and Fascism is concerned with only one thing, the survival of the corporation at all costs including the destruction of the country it temporarily operates from and the worker it temporarily employs. Loss of constitutional protections, loss of worker rights, lost wages for the benefit of the ever increasing fixation on cheaper expenses and more corporate profit. But don’t ask the Fascists to decrease THEIR salary, the Billionaire oligarchs of America like Perkins consider themselves to be the persecuted.
We’ve seen this experiment before – it was called Nazi Germany.
But you’re right in a way – the stupidity of the American voter with their eye on the superbowl and their hand around a beer – they’re underemployed today and out of work tomorrow supported by the state, like all good fascists want. State debt to support corporate profits is very important to a fascist. Voters too stupid to understand the hand around the throat of the country are what will eventually do in America. Soon there will be no country, only which corporation you are employed by – or not employed by.

Feb 15, 2014 2:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JustProduce wrote:

@carnivalchaos
the fact that the US has the highest wealth-gap is not due to bad people but to who invests their savings. Here, buying a gizmo at Wal-Mart is certainly not investing.
I would love to explain it here but am afraid that you probably do not want to hear reason. Now that I would be happy to be wrong. So, in such case, here is a simple video that shows how the gap is created: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ell9JZoUSzE
I find it ironic that the biggest commie in years, Obama, is also the leader presiding over the largest wealth-gap expansion. That the bus is going in a clearly unintended direction tells more about the inadequacy of the driver than the bus itself.

Feb 15, 2014 2:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Years ago I worked at a union run plant and yes the pay was great but the graft, sloth, crime and vice that existed was astonishing. As a grunt laborer if I literally even moved an extension-cord the union electrician would threaten to drop a pipe on me, it happened with all the trades. I was thinking about safety, they apparently weren’t thinking. Four guys were killed trying to milk a wall building job. Industrial construction is dangerous enough, pushing for over-time pay cost four men their lives.
It was all due to union control: great pay, high danger and drunk workers from the north and south on the job building a nuclear power plant!! What could go wrong… . Radiation is still leaking and the union says nothing about it. Nothing. The NRC is a pathetic excuse that does nothing but poison the planet, literally.
This country is in a very sorrow state of affairs and no union or gov’t is going to help us. We The People need to remember what a representative democracy. That means the people have to participate.
Until they do, that no amount of back slappin’ hand shakin’ bs is gonna make a damn bit of difference.

Feb 15, 2014 2:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
chuck2 wrote:

UAW was simply NOT up to competing with the anti union forces. They lacked the sophist6ication of the money, they did NOT respond to less then truths by other side. They did NOT use local media to stop rumors of disasters if union, local media was subtle anti union. UAW like other unions need quick reaction to other sides “less then truths” as put out by Corker and others when none will discuss actual benefits/wage in dollars-etc. UAW had chance after chance to set record/facts straight, concentrated on workers while anti forces used “Less then truth” spin aimed at BOTH workers and public.
UAW was in lead at one time, but let if fail by lack of good PR, slow to no responses to Corker-et al spin and great propaganda programs. UAW best change and update how it does it’s organizing as cannot with near silence in face of very sophisticated anti union campaigns. South is in total fear of unions in auto as scared to death other workers will demand same. “Good wages-benefits”, some plants at “11/hour, with benefits” the latter workers cannot afford. Time UAW update to take on money or shut doors, they were at amature grade levels Chattanooga contest, while money was at pro level in this one. UAW update to reality in these contests, they never once took on the spin, or why R’s want no unions, nor who/why big money, and extreme right etc involved.

Feb 15, 2014 2:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Laborman wrote:

Whether or not you support unions, Corker’s statement was blackmail and bribery rolled into one. Senators obviously have TOO much free speech rights.

Feb 15, 2014 2:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Laborman wrote:

Whether or not you support unions, Corker’s statement was blackmail and bribery rolled into one. Senators obviously have TOO much free speech rights.

Feb 15, 2014 2:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JustProduce wrote:

@chuck2
Baloney. To say that the UAW is full with a bunch of flowers is utter ignorance of the facts. They are the most brutal and savage group of animals there is. Even the Mexican drug traffickers get out of their way.
In fact, I am noticing an unusually large number of pro-union comments for this article. This is the kind of technique used by these thugs. So maybe it is worthless discussing with a whole bunch of pseudo-people who will never again read Reuters. Loud, that is what they are. Loud savages.

Feb 15, 2014 2:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
COindependent wrote:

@cirrus …and your comments are indicative of the fact that you are most likely incapable of running your own business. Interesting that those most outspoken about embracing unions are the least informed about what it takes, both from a motivation and capacity perspective, to run a business. If you did, you would know that having outsiders telling you how to manage and compensate your employees is absurd–especially when they have no vested interest in the success of the business.

Feb 15, 2014 3:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse

@Big2Tex, you said ‘Corker was elected by his constituents and he has every right to voice his opinion about matters that concern his constituents.’, so why does this apply to Corker and not Obama? thank you for showing us where you are really coming from, ‘Obama is bad’.

@dualcitizen, You have shown where you are coming from already by calling Obama and anyone that supports him a ‘commie friend’, so why should we take anything you have to say about the ‘politics of envy’ seriously?

Feb 15, 2014 3:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

@JustProduce
Unions don’t control America – Corporations do through the politicians they purchase, and that’s called Fascism.
Obama is not a communist, he’s a fascist : Healthcare laws to purchase healthcare from corporations : Spying to ensure the citizen behaves while he’s stripped of his rights and assets : more debt to support the corporations who bought and paid for his election.
Get your head out of the corporate controlled media and think for yourself.

Feb 15, 2014 3:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JustProduce wrote:

@UScitizentoo
I love your response… for real.
I am OK with your comments as I found your description of Obama as a fascist quite adequate.
With regards to the media. I do not watch any TV and only get my facts from economics data.
My aversion to unions comes from being a consumer and seeing all the money they get from my pockets for no added value. I used to live in Detroit and it was impossible to get good services in anything controlled by unions, whether at the airport or anywhere else. So, here again, no media influence.
I agree with you that media is controlled by either one side or the other and that we should think for ourselves.

Feb 15, 2014 4:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
divinargant wrote:

Another big win for corporate, for now. In another year when the agreement to not organize runs out, you will see a much different picture. You can chisel that in granite.

Feb 15, 2014 4:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

Past all the partisan opinions…this was an interesting situation. Not your typical labor organizing situation. This VW plant was perfectly okay with having a union in their shop. They saw some opportunities if the employees had voted the union in. But you have to respect the vote. Hopefully the employees weighed the pros and cons and made the decision that was best for them.

Feb 15, 2014 4:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
elsewhere wrote:

Guess what, not everyone is dumb enough to play follow the leader when the leader acts as union bosses do. Unions are a greedy bunch responsible for the job losses in America.

Feb 15, 2014 4:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ELVEGO wrote:

The UAW should not be outraged. It would be a great pity to see the successful auto production facilities in the south go the way of those in the North. The southern workers are very well paid; their , wages are far over those prevailing in the area. The production facilities are all new, and working conditions are good if not excellent. No company was shortchanging these workers or taking advantage of them. The line workers knew that once the UAW got its foot in the door, that their days were numbered. Even with the usual UAW pressure from pro union co-workers and its unchallenged organizing tactics (bordering on the stongarm), the majority of Volkswagen’s labor force didn’t buy it. Perhaps there will come a time that the UAW will realize that its function is not simply to keep increasing its demands to extract more and more from an employer without a constructive contribution to the enterprise. It cannot keep threatening a strike at the drop of a hat, while doing nothing productive to assist the companies that employ them. Maybe this vote will be a wake up call to the UAW, and instead of complaining and bemoaning “outside interference” (it regards any criticism of the UAW as unwarranted and unfair interference), it will reassess its role for representation of American labor. Maybe this will be the best thing that ever happened to it, the workers and the nation.

Feb 15, 2014 5:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
hubdog21 wrote:

The employees at VW Chattanooga have chosen job security over empty promises. Congratulations! Maybe they understand the correlation between organized labor and domestic job loss. Or maybe they realize the divide that is created between companies and employees when unions are present. Or possibly they’ve experienced the hostility and “US versus THEM” mentality of a union facility. Or just maybe they appreciate what they have already and understand that they don’t need to negotiate for more. Unions = job loss = unemployment = the worker loses in the long run.

Feb 15, 2014 5:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Overcast451 wrote:

The unions went too far – workers, customers, stockholders… all seen what happened to GM thanks to the UAW.

The workers want to keep their jobs – they don’t want plants closed down. These big unions are only money making machines for big Union leaders and politicians.

Feb 15, 2014 5:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Overcast451 wrote:

The unions went too far – workers, customers, stockholders… all seen what happened to GM thanks to the UAW.

The workers want to keep their jobs – they don’t want plants closed down. These big unions are only money making machines for big Union leaders and politicians.

Feb 15, 2014 5:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Mike6514 wrote:

LOL, yea it’s the republicans who don;t want the working man to get ahead. That’s why teh Democrats want more immigrant labor, because it drives wages up LOL LOL LOL

The Labor party in the UK sold out the Brit workers using the same “multicultural” and “diversity” language. With friends like that, the avg worker doesn’t need enemies.

Feb 15, 2014 6:05pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Rich4 wrote:

Next step: Unfair Labor Practice, where Obama’s NLRB will try to find a way to nullify the vote and do it all over again.
By the way, people were allowed to vote in this one, and they chose no union. Some people think that workers should not get to vote, but instead just pay dues and shut up.
People are still choosing freedom.

Feb 15, 2014 6:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

Is this a mandate for right to work and to get rid of Unions altogether. I mean it was a 53.2% win for those who were against unionizing. Both parties seem to think that means the other 46.8% are irrelevant when they post narrow victories like that. Right Obama? Right Bush?

Feb 15, 2014 6:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

@SunnyDaySam

“All of VW’s plants in Germany are unionized. Fact.
btw; I, for one, cannot wait for VW’s announcement of the new line in TN like Corker promised. This will be good. [snark/off]”

None of those plants has the UAW. They have IG Metall, and that union is great. If I was one of the workers wanting to unionize I would have tried to join that Union. Not the abysmal UAW. If the UAW took over union leadership in Germany, it would bankrupt VW like they did Chevy and Chrysler. Keep in mind Chrysler was merged with a German company, Daimler-Benz. They found that they can not work with the UAW and sold out in 2007. Now the Italians (Fiat) are having a go with Chrysler and should have a majority by this point in time.

My point is, not all Unions are equal. Some Unions are good, others are corrupt equivalents of the Mafia. The UAW is one of the worst unions in the world.

Feb 15, 2014 6:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JCM-51A wrote:

Bad day for UAW & Obama, must be a GREAT DAY FOR AMERICA.

Feb 15, 2014 7:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
WildOmar999 wrote:

Hmm…I find this vote to be indicative of the pending demise of the age of unions. Court litigation, state, federal and even local laws have become so prevalent in the workplace, that the collective bargaining efforts of the unions are almost useless. If you go into a major union shop today, and ask a rank & file member to name three major contributions their union has made to their lives in the last 24 months… most would be hard pressed to name even one. Yet the monthly union dues are deducted from paychecks like clockwork. It’s not surprising that workers are more and more ambivalent towards unions. Union backing of the unpopular Obama healthcare program is not winning any new friends either. Questions?

Feb 15, 2014 7:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
hubdog21 wrote:

Hey Reuters…I’m trying to contribute my opinion to this article. Post it already!!!!

Feb 15, 2014 7:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
snappy wrote:

Why can’t Obama sign an executive order invalidating the vote and installing the union?

Feb 15, 2014 7:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
hubdog21 wrote:

Snappy- maybe he’ll sign an executive order taking away your rights because you’re an idiot!

Feb 15, 2014 9:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
hubdog21 wrote:

Snappy- maybe he’ll sign an executive order taking away your rights because you’re an idiot!

Feb 15, 2014 9:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
4825 wrote:

@DualCitizen- Your long post was one of the best post I have seen.

@CarnivalChaos- The wealthy have one vote just like you and I have one vote so they do not decide all matters in government. Are you saying this because you hate people more wealthy and successful than you are? Not bashing, just asking.

@DJ65- You must live a miserable life if you are so concerned with my posts that you have to stalk me. Can not imagine living in a world where I would want to quash other people’s view even those I disagree with it. Guess I have hit a nerve with you, so be it. Get a life.

Feb 15, 2014 9:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse

As usual, the south votes against its own best interests. Some day they’ll with they had the benefits they threw away. Now they can work for low wages, no rights, vacation, etc.

Feb 15, 2014 10:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse

As usual, the south votes against its own best interests. Some day they’ll with they had the benefits they threw away. Now they can work for low wages, no rights, vacation, etc.

Feb 15, 2014 10:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse

As usual, the south votes against its own best interests. Some day they’ll with they had the benefits they threw away. Now they can work for low wages, no rights, vacation, etc.

Feb 15, 2014 10:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

@lindsaylindsay

“As usual, the south votes against its own best interests. Some day they’ll with they had the benefits they threw away. Now they can work for low wages, no rights, vacation, etc.”

They have good wages, good benefits, vacation, etc. already. That is why they voted no to the Union. You don’t have to have a union to get good wages, rights, vacation any longer in America. Just like we don’t need milk men to deliver our milk anymore. Unions were needed during the early years of the industrial revolution. They are not needed any longer if you are capable of bargaining for your own pay/benefits. As far as rights goes, there are laws and government agencies that enforce workers rights. For most people Unions are just another leech on their paycheck and offer no benefit that they can not get their own.

Feb 15, 2014 10:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
theovulator wrote:

From the article.
“We are outraged at the outside interference in this election. It’s never happened in this country before that a U.S. senator, a governor, a leader of the house, a leader of the legislature here threatened the company with those incentives, threatened workers with the loss of product,” Bob King, the UAW president who has staked his legacy on expanding into the south, said.

Outside influences? You mean, these here named, AND Obama?

Threatened the company with incentives? Yeah that’s a threat.

Does it not make sense that if VW was going to expand their product line, that they would pick a plant to do so, in a country, like Mexico, where their costs are less? Wouldn’t you do so if you owned it?

I wouldn’t be surprised if VW STILL chose Mexico for any expanded production. It’s probably STILL cheaper to do things there, even without UAW interference.

Further from Reuters.
“Before the results were announced, King had said in an interview with Reuters that his group and the German union were already at work organizing a Daimler AG factory in Alabama.”

What does unionizing really bring to the table in regards to benefits for the workers? Workers pay more in union dues to receive what?

History shows that unions have done substantially quite a bit to improve safety, quality work environment, and pay.

But all these things, except maybe pay, are already now fully addressed and even “enshrined”, to the nth degree, within current regulations.

So what’s left? Predictably frequent negotiations concerning pay and benefits?

And we’ve all recently seen THAT turn into an untenable monster, in regards to public unions, and the effects of their crushing retirement benefits, and other bankrupting results on state and local municipalities, devastating their coffers. Thus the unprecedented level of state and local bankruptcies.

No-limit pay and benefit increases weren’t that much of a problem, for the U.S., back in the days when the U.S. manufactured most of everything. But today it’s much more of a world economy, (globalization) and it’s really hard for the U.S. to compete worldwide because, again, EVERYTHING COMES DOWN TO COSTS.

As we already all know, ANYTHING that adds to the cost of production here in the U.S., like:

Tons of overly burdensome regulations (compared to other countries).

One of the highest corporate tax rates in the world.

LABOR COSTS . . . which unionizing adds to . . . . All these things, as everyone well knows, drives manufacturing business overseas.

Have we not already seen enough of that?

We should not forget that we’re up against countries that ARE NOT stymied by;

Extensive pollution laws, Extensive safety laws, Workers’ rights laws, Extensive workplace laws, Zoning laws, Extensive and expensive litigations, because somebody doesn’t want the thing built, etc, etc.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying we shouldn’t have these things in place, or that they’re not needed in a civilized nation like the U.S.

What I’m saying is “THAT’S WHAT WE’RE UP AGAINST”. And then add to that the EXTRA costs of unionizing?

Why do you think, since the sixties and early seventies, the U.S. has lost most of its manufacturing to overseas? Why do you think so much of our income producing manufacturing activities have been outsourced or moved to places like Japan, then South Korea, then China, or India, or Bangladesh or Nicaragua, or hell man, just about EVERYWHERE, other than here?

And I have not even addressed the subject of union corruption. Or should I say “rampant corruption”?

These two posters, I think, may have said it better than me.

1TrueAmerican wrote:
“Thank God that people are finally coming to their senses, realizing that those competing in a global economy, must be competitive. Unions are a form of fascism which is not only outdated, it’s immoral and destructive to our economy. We need jobs, not corrupt Unions! “

Maxwells wrote:
“The majority of VW workers get-it, Unions don’t care about workers they only want to pocket the workers cash to influence politicians and gain power, the workers have nothing to gain. It’s too easy for corporations to pack-up and move to a more business friendly State with fresh tax breaks and eager workers. Unions have become organized crime that threatens the efficiency of American business in a global economy.”

This, as well as, the rest of the article, quite eye-openingely, speaks for itself.

Feb 16, 2014 1:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

4825: “The wealthy have one vote just like you and I have one vote so they do not decide all matters in government.”

92% of elections are won by the candidate who spends the most money. If you’re one of the Koch brothers and want a candidate to win, because he agreed to lower your taxes and cut regulations pertaining to the Koch brothers’ business ventures, all these billionaire brothers have to do is make sure their candidate has enough money to outspend his opponent. And it really doesn’t cost much, considering the return. Once that is done, you have a 92% chance of getting your guy in the government. Pretty good odds, I’d say.

Members of Congress spend more time raising money and thinking about raising money than they do working for the people. The conservative Supreme Court has effectively banned campaign finance reform and declared that money equal free speech and that corporations are people. Lobbyists literally write the legislation that becomes the laws we must live under. 99% of us aren’t being represented in government because government serves those who can donate significant amounts of money to their campaigns and keep them in office. The actual votes cast is just a small part of how people get to become Congressmen. They have to impress the deep pockets with promises just to win their primaries, so the choices we’re left with have already been through a selection process controlled by wealthy corporations, with just a few exceptions. After that, people either vote by party or based on the impression they get from all the ads they see, which is where the money comes into play. If you have more money than your opponent, then it’s not difficult to paint an ugly picture of your opponent, whether it’s true or not.

Do I hate rich people? Of course not. If they earned their wealth honestly and in a productive way, then I admire them. However, I greatly resent those who use their money to undercut the representation of the American people in order to get legislation passed intended to benefit them in the maximization of their profits.

We need a liberal majority on the Supreme Court so that we can demand that our government pass campaign finance reform without the Supreme Court declaring it unconstitutional. Otherwise, we’ll have no other choice but to follow in the footsteps of our Founding Fathers and revolt.

Feb 16, 2014 1:39am EST  --  Report as abuse
theovulator wrote:

USAPragmatist2 wrote:
“It was their choice, luckily they work for a company that demonstrates it values it’s workers. It is a much different culture, and happier overall, than ours.
Anyhow, wouldn’t it be funny if VW decided to still put second line in Mexico, I bet not one of those so quick to bash unions on this thread would post one comment.

Actnow, the UAW did not destroy Detroit, urban flight to the suburbs did. SE Michigan is still a very vibrant area, but all the money is in the burbs. Just like immigrants are not the cause of all your problems.”

Dude, I used to live there.

USAPragmatist2 . . . Really? You think the burbs are thriving? ON WHAT? The dregs of the leftovers that ARE NOT now coming in from auto sales out of Detroit? Or are, in your opinion, the Burbanites just feeding off of each other?

I’LL LET THESE OTHERS SPEAK FOR ME.

kbill wrote:
“The UAW did a great job representing the best interests of workers in Detroit…you remember Detroit? They used to make cars there.”

kbill wrote:
“The UAW alone did not destroy Detroit…they had help from the Democratic party grifters, who ravished the assets of the city with fraud and public employee “sweetheart” benefits, as well as, weak management of the big U.S. automakers, who ignored the wishes of their markets, and the greater good of society and the environment. It was a perfect storm of “progressive” values which destroyed Detroit.”

ssor wrote:
“I liked the previous comment posted here – “why buy a ticket on the Titanic”. Provided that the industry must compete for labor (which they must), the unions provide poor value for the workers.
The unions destroyed the auto industry in the rustbelt only after the unions destroyed the steel industry.”

steveb. wrote:
“So the UAW has been the “outside” interference for the last 2 years but now they are screaming like wounded wildabeasts, because of what a few politicians said over a couple weeks? If those politicians are guilty of anything…then so is obama.”

Feb 16, 2014 2:04am EST  --  Report as abuse
Otter58701 wrote:

I’ve worked for four different unions in the USA. Of which, three of them wanted me to pay my dues and shut up. They struck deals without votes. They decided my plight without consultation. I felt I was not…represented. YET…I was forced to pay the dues or leave the premises, because there would be no non union workers allowed. In my eyes, if I am forced to pay for services I am not receiving, or am under threat of losing my job. Is this not…extortion then? I feel alot of the unions are behind the reasons why manufacturing moved out of the USA. With added labor costs, how can a product be competitive?

Feb 16, 2014 2:59am EST  --  Report as abuse
DJ65 wrote:

@4825 Hmmm! You don’t like it so much when someone else pushes YOUR buttons, do you? Getting a taste of what others feel, are you? When you post derogatory and inflammatory rejoinders without any supporting facts just to get a rise out of people, you are nothing but a troll. You chose to do that to me on three separate occasions even after I supplied facts to back my statements and requested you to do the same (which you never did). So, I feel it my duty to let the rest of those would-be victims of your trollish behavior know that you are nothing but a scoundrel and a TROLL, and you are to be ignored.

Feb 16, 2014 8:38am EST  --  Report as abuse
DJ65 wrote:

For everybody else on here, if a person who goes by “4825″ posts on here, please ignore them. S/he is a TROLL who purposely tries to get people riled up without supporting any statements with fact. if you insist on debating with this person, ask them to support their posts with facts. You will realize very quickly that this person is more interested in pushing your buttons than expressing an educated opinion with the intent of learning from other’s.

Feb 16, 2014 8:43am EST  --  Report as abuse
DJ65 wrote:

@ready2013 Hmmm! Why would you even take the time to investigate and wade into this little tiff, unless you were either one and the same as “4825″, or a close friend, or a troll yourself? If you investigated my postings, then you would know I DID substantiate with facts, which I asked 4825 to do, but S/he repeatedly refused to do. So, either you are trying to bait me, as a troll yourself, or you are one and the same person as “4825″. Either way, now I consider you both to be trolls, especially seeing as how I haven’t seen you post anywhere else, up until now, “ready2013″.

Feb 16, 2014 10:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
DJ65 wrote:

@ready2013 Come to think of it, you must really have a lot of time on your hands to research all of my comments on here, because to my knowledge, there is no way to search for any specific person’s comments other than to go through each story and article piece meal until you find their comment. And, much of what I have commented on is day’s old, so you would have to go back in the archives to do it. What “normal” person would go through all of that trouble, instead of just taking a Troll Alert at face value and ignoring the object of the warning? Answer: no one, unless they are closely linked to the person who is the object of the original warning, or another troll who just likes to make trouble and muck up the works.

Feb 16, 2014 10:30am EST  --  Report as abuse
4825 wrote:

Stalker Alert!!! A poster that goes by DJ65 will stalk you if you disagree with any of their post. This can be seen by his/her response to Ready 2013 above. So please if you respond to his/her post, be prepared to be stalked. It is DJ65′s way of trying to suppress other view points.

Feb 16, 2014 11:27am EST  --  Report as abuse
eatingdogfood wrote:

Sorry UAW; It Looks Like Your Criminal Organizing Activities Are NOT Welcome Down South !!! Gee, I guess the Union Bosses Will Have To Tell The DemoRAT Party, that there will be a slight decrease in Fund Transfers !!! And there will probably be a cut back on free Green Fees at the UAW Country Club for Union Vice Presidents. And all those free Union Junkets to Miami Beach, will have to be curtailed, somewhat. Better Luck Next Time, Union Bosses !!! Hey, you still all have those Sucker UAW members in Michigan who still believe in your BS. —– UAW = Detroit = BANKRUPTCY !!!

Feb 16, 2014 12:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
OldNavy wrote:

These results should not be certified because of the outside influence. The NLRB should withhold its decision until VW announces where the SUV will be built and then a new vote should be called.

Feb 16, 2014 1:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ready2013 wrote:

DJ65…you obviously do not know the tools to research posts that Reuters provides…you come to so many conclusions with so little evidence. it doesn’t take much time, it doesn’t require going through archived articles, searching through endless articles and posts…this shows how superficial your comments are.

Feb 16, 2014 5:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gearhead3 wrote:

Hey Bob King, what happened to the Peterbilt plant in Madison Tn.? They locked you folks out and left the state is what happened. How many strikes did you organize there before Peterbilt gave up? Just down the road a piece your union brothers in the United Rubber Workers finished off the Armstrong/ Pirelli tire plant too. By the way Bob, with Fiat now controlling Chrysler, how long will it be before more and more production is moved out of the country? Finally Bob, how many times have you tried to unionize Nissan? Move to Detriot Bob, they need you there.

Feb 16, 2014 8:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gearhead3 wrote:

Testing

Feb 16, 2014 9:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ready2013 wrote:

unions have been beneficial in the past, but not the recent past. its time for their leadership to change or newer unions to develop.

Feb 17, 2014 12:03am EST  --  Report as abuse
willich6 wrote:

My hearty Congratulations go out to all VW employees in Chattanooga; if the UAW can’t win after VW invited them in and allowed to campaign inside the plant on company time – then they can’t win anywhere.
Perlstein in the Wash Post this weekend painted a ‘fairytale’ picture of the ‘new giving UAW’; a union the ‘emboldens the working man’ while working ‘closely with the company’… What a load of crap.. The UAW, just like United Teachers, is a serial job destroyer and poison to the US.. They bankrupted Detroit… good riddance!
VW should grant their Chattanooga workers a ‘workers council’ anyway; they don’t need the UAW to do this…

Feb 17, 2014 8:51am EST  --  Report as abuse
gcf1965 wrote:

Great news for workers and industry.

Feb 17, 2014 1:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Anachronus wrote:

fortdearborn,

Democracy apparently worked as the workers voted for the option that seemed best to them. That it did not support your beloved union commissars does not mean there was some vast anti-union conspiracy at work. Did you bother to read the story?

Feb 17, 2014 1:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
samdavis1111 wrote:

One word “GOOD”

Feb 18, 2014 9:52am EST  --  Report as abuse
Overcast451 wrote:

* By the way Bob, with Fiat now controlling Chrysler, how long will it be before more and more production is moved out of the country?*

My 2013 Dodge Dart was made in Canada.

Feb 20, 2014 8:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
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