Ukraine President agrees truce with opponents as West prepares sanctions

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pbgd wrote:

Many people seem to have forgotten that in 1939 Hitler and Stalin divided Poland between them. The Eastern half of Poland was never returned by the Soviets. Poland received a large part of Germany instead as compensation. Thus what is now referred to as the rebellious “Eastern Ukraine” was actually Poland until 1939.

Feb 18, 2014 9:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
alSheik wrote:

troll softly f00, you’re trying too hard

Feb 18, 2014 11:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

What, another 100 die, 200, then what Yanukovich? Will it be even better then? What formula do you use in determining the police and the citizens are killing each other over a failed Yanukovich regime? At what point, really, does Yanukovich and his police aparatus recognize that there is no turning back now? FREEDOM FROM TYRANNY ALWAYS EXTRACTS A PRICE. Yanukovich decides the price.

Feb 18, 2014 11:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

@UScitizentoo,

You are mental or what? Yanukovich was elected president of Ukraine in an elections recognized by the US and the EU as free and open. He is up for reelection (or not reelection) in 2015 – in a year and a half from now. What is the point of those savages burning their formerly beautiful capital city? Why do they do that? Can’t they just do like they do it in the civilized countries – run for elections and defeat Yanukovich in 2015? Perhaps, they cannot? That is, they represent an aggressive minority which cannot win the popular vote in an open and free elections?

Feb 19, 2014 12:38am EST  --  Report as abuse

This must be driving John McCain crazy, civil wars all over the place and so many chances to get our sabers wet.

Feb 19, 2014 1:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
DURO wrote:

This is not police

Feb 19, 2014 1:26am EST  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

@BraveNewWrld
Yanukovich’s government has failed and no longer functions. Time for him to step aside. Any government in the world operates exactly the same way – dissolve parliament – new elections – new president through impeachment – Canada, Australia, Britain, Germany, Israel, Sweden, where the governemtn fails to function government is replaced. Except dictatorships. There is no functioning government in Ukraine. Yanukovich has lost the trust of the people. Yanukovich must go.

Feb 19, 2014 1:41am EST  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

@Uscitizentoo

“Any government in the world operates the same way”

The same way how? You do not how governments work. You’re just b.s.ing.

Feb 19, 2014 2:35am EST  --  Report as abuse
richterlot wrote:

Civil War. Western great Democracies should support ukrainian people against Russia.

Feb 19, 2014 2:39am EST  --  Report as abuse
Jocomus wrote:

Are these young Ukrainian guys old enough to envision Soviet tanks rolling onto downtown Hungary in 1956 just to suppress dissent and uprising ?

Now they are going to experience it. Iron fist action is the only option for communism to bring peace and UNITY, albeit an involuntary one.

With compassionate, regretful premier already quit, their president is recently taught by Putin whose money and credit aids to Ukraine are not going down the drain for nothing.

Feb 19, 2014 4:49am EST  --  Report as abuse

Uscitizentoo is right about that look at what happened with the OWS protests.

Feb 19, 2014 4:50am EST  --  Report as abuse
Erikkc wrote:

Time for Putin’s puppets to go.

Feb 19, 2014 5:23am EST  --  Report as abuse
Erikkc wrote:

Time for Putin’s puppets to go.

Feb 19, 2014 5:23am EST  --  Report as abuse
Art16 wrote:

“Putin’s puppets”, I like that, and it is very true. Imperial and Soviet Russia has been a beast for years as it worked its power to create buffer states around its “homeland”. Putin, or He-Who-Would-be-Czar (Ras)Putin, as he should be known, is just trying to reconstitute the old Soviet regime structure by pouring in money. If the fool pours in tanks like Khrushchev did with the Hungarian Revolution, the flames will be visible from space. The problem here is that the Ukraine has agricultural and industrial resources and deep seated corruption that Putin and his Puppets like so well.

Feb 19, 2014 7:44am EST  --  Report as abuse
tar88s wrote:

pbgd
I suppose you meant “Western part” of Ukraine.
Even from that I see you know nothing about Ukraine and it history.
That part was not Poland, but was conquered by Poland, feel the difference.
Heard of Kyyivska Rus, Kingdom of Galicia–Volhynia? One language, it was never Polish or Russian

Feb 19, 2014 7:53am EST  --  Report as abuse
LenicGB wrote:

@BraveNewWrld – How should the people react when their elected president suddenly sides with the Russian Federation rather than the EU which is presumably what the people want.

You say Ukranian’s should wait until their next election cycle. By that time they’ll be part of the RF without any referendum or public support.

Frantz Fanon once famously said, “The business of obscuring language is a mask behind which stands the much bigger business of plunder.” One has to wonder what’s really going on when Yanukovich claims that protesters are attempting a “coup.”

Feb 19, 2014 8:03am EST  --  Report as abuse
Overcast451 wrote:

Well – leaders all over the world have reached an unprecedented level of ‘suck’ – that humanity probably hasn’t seen since the Medieval ages; so it’s understandable why the people want to oust them and hang them in the streets.

Maybe the so-called “leaders” of the world should get back to the business of being good stewards for their nations and populace.

Feb 19, 2014 8:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
DariaKa wrote:

David Kraner, el Presidente de la Organizacion Internacional no gubernamental Freedom House y el Presidente del Parlamento Europeo Martin Shulz estan seguro que el Presidente de Ucrania Victor Yanukovitch ya HA PERDIDO SU LEGITIMIDAD Y OBLIGA A DIMITIR.

DOCENAS PERSONAS MATADAS, MILES PERSONAS HERIDAS, LAS AUTORIDADES CRIMINALES QUE COMPONEN UNA MAFIA UCRANIANA SIGUEN MATANDO UNA GENTE PACIFICA! UCRANIANA! Y LAS PERIODISTAS Y REPRESENTANTES DE OTROS PAISES!!! ESCUCHANOS!!! NO HAY TERRORISTAS Y EXTREMISTAS ENTRE LOS PROTESTANTES!!!

UCRANIANOS ESTAN TOTALMENTE SIN ARMAS Y REMEDIOS !!! LAS AUTORIDADES UCRANIANAS (EL PRESIDENTE Y EL GOBIERNO) CONSCIENTEMENTE USAN LAS FUERZAS ARMADAS CONTRA LOS PACIFICOS UCRANIANOS!!! LAS AUTORIDADES UCRANIANAS CONSCIENTEMENTE ENGANAN LA COMUNIDAD INTERNACIONAL DESACREDITANDOLA !!!!!!

Feb 19, 2014 8:35am EST  --  Report as abuse
DariaKa wrote:

David Kraner, el Presidente de la Organizacion Internacional no gubernamental Freedom House y el Presidente del Parlamento Europeo Martin Shulz estan seguro que el Presidente de Ucrania Victor Yanukovitch ya HA PERDIDO SU LEGITIMIDAD Y OBLIGA A DIMITIR.

DOCENAS PERSONAS MATADAS, MILES PERSONAS HERIDAS, LAS AUTORIDADES CRIMINALES QUE COMPONEN UNA MAFIA UCRANIANA SIGUEN MATANDO UNA GENTE PACIFICA! UCRANIANA! Y LAS PERIODISTAS Y REPRESENTANTES DE OTROS PAISES!!! ESCUCHANOS!!! NO HAY TERRORISTAS Y EXTREMISTAS ENTRE LOS PROTESTANTES!!!

UCRANIANOS ESTAN TOTALMENTE SIN ARMAS Y REMEDIOS !!! LAS AUTORIDADES UCRANIANAS (EL PRESIDENTE Y EL GOBIERNO) CONSCIENTEMENTE USAN LAS FUERZAS ARMADAS CONTRA LOS PACIFICOS UCRANIANOS!!! LAS AUTORIDADES UCRANIANAS CONSCIENTEMENTE ENGANAN LA COMUNIDAD INTERNACIONAL DESACREDITANDOLA !!!!!!

Feb 19, 2014 8:35am EST  --  Report as abuse
DariaKa wrote:

David Kraner, el Presidente de la Organizacion Internacional no gubernamental Freedom House y el Presidente del Parlamento Europeo Martin Shulz estan seguro que el Presidente de Ucrania Victor Yanukovitch ya HA PERDIDO SU LEGITIMIDAD Y OBLIGA A DIMITIR.

DOCENAS PERSONAS MATADAS, MILES PERSONAS HERIDAS, LAS AUTORIDADES CRIMINALES QUE COMPONEN UNA MAFIA UCRANIANA SIGUEN MATANDO UNA GENTE PACIFICA! UCRANIANA! Y LAS PERIODISTAS Y REPRESENTANTES DE OTROS PAISES!!! ESCUCHANOS!!! NO HAY TERRORISTAS Y EXTREMISTAS ENTRE LOS PROTESTANTES!!!

UCRANIANOS ESTAN TOTALMENTE SIN ARMAS Y REMEDIOS !!! LAS AUTORIDADES UCRANIANAS (EL PRESIDENTE Y EL GOBIERNO) CONSCIENTEMENTE USAN LAS FUERZAS ARMADAS CONTRA LOS PACIFICOS UCRANIANOS!!! LAS AUTORIDADES UCRANIANAS CONSCIENTEMENTE ENGANAN LA COMUNIDAD INTERNACIONAL DESACREDITANDOLA !!!!!!

Feb 19, 2014 8:35am EST  --  Report as abuse
DariaKa wrote:

David Kraner, el Presidente de la Organizacion Internacional no gubernamental Freedom House y el Presidente del Parlamento Europeo Martin Shulz estan seguro que el Presidente de Ucrania Victor Yanukovitch ya HA PERDIDO SU LEGITIMIDAD Y OBLIGA A DIMITIR.

DOCENAS PERSONAS MATADAS, MILES PERSONAS HERIDAS, LAS AUTORIDADES CRIMINALES QUE COMPONEN UNA MAFIA UCRANIANA SIGUEN MATANDO UNA GENTE PACIFICA! UCRANIANA! Y LAS PERIODISTAS Y REPRESENTANTES DE OTROS PAISES!!! ESCUCHANOS!!! NO HAY TERRORISTAS Y EXTREMISTAS ENTRE LOS PROTESTANTES!!!

UCRANIANOS ESTAN TOTALMENTE SIN ARMAS Y REMEDIOS !!! LAS AUTORIDADES UCRANIANAS (EL PRESIDENTE Y EL GOBIERNO) CONSCIENTEMENTE USAN LAS FUERZAS ARMADAS CONTRA LOS PACIFICOS UCRANIANOS!!! LAS AUTORIDADES UCRANIANAS CONSCIENTEMENTE ENGANAN LA COMUNIDAD INTERNACIONAL DESACREDITANDOLA !!!!!!

Feb 19, 2014 8:35am EST  --  Report as abuse
DariaKa wrote:

David Kraner, el Presidente de la Organizacion Internacional no gubernamental Freedom House y el Presidente del Parlamento Europeo Martin Shulz estan seguro que el Presidente de Ucrania Victor Yanukovitch ya HA PERDIDO SU LEGITIMIDAD Y OBLIGA A DIMITIR.

DOCENAS PERSONAS MATADAS, MILES PERSONAS HERIDAS, LAS AUTORIDADES CRIMINALES QUE COMPONEN UNA MAFIA UCRANIANA SIGUEN MATANDO UNA GENTE PACIFICA! UCRANIANA! Y LAS PERIODISTAS Y REPRESENTANTES DE OTROS PAISES!!! ESCUCHANOS!!! NO HAY TERRORISTAS Y EXTREMISTAS ENTRE LOS PROTESTANTES!!!

UCRANIANOS ESTAN TOTALMENTE SIN ARMAS Y REMEDIOS !!! LAS AUTORIDADES UCRANIANAS (EL PRESIDENTE Y EL GOBIERNO) CONSCIENTEMENTE USAN LAS FUERZAS ARMADAS CONTRA LOS PACIFICOS UCRANIANOS!!! LAS AUTORIDADES UCRANIANAS CONSCIENTEMENTE ENGANAN LA COMUNIDAD INTERNACIONAL DESACREDITANDOLA !!!!!!

Feb 19, 2014 8:35am EST  --  Report as abuse
DariaKa wrote:

David Kraner, el Presidente de la Organizacion Internacional no gubernamental Freedom House y el Presidente del Parlamento Europeo Martin Shulz estan seguro que el Presidente de Ucrania Victor Yanukovitch ya HA PERDIDO SU LEGITIMIDAD Y OBLIGA A DIMITIR.

DOCENAS PERSONAS MATADAS, MILES PERSONAS HERIDAS, LAS AUTORIDADES CRIMINALES QUE COMPONEN UNA MAFIA UCRANIANA SIGUEN MATANDO UNA GENTE PACIFICA! UCRANIANA! Y LAS PERIODISTAS Y REPRESENTANTES DE OTROS PAISES!!! ESCUCHANOS!!! NO HAY TERRORISTAS Y EXTREMISTAS ENTRE LOS PROTESTANTES!!!

UCRANIANOS ESTAN TOTALMENTE SIN ARMAS Y REMEDIOS !!! LAS AUTORIDADES UCRANIANAS (EL PRESIDENTE Y EL GOBIERNO) CONSCIENTEMENTE USAN LAS FUERZAS ARMADAS CONTRA LOS PACIFICOS UCRANIANOS!!! LAS AUTORIDADES UCRANIANAS CONSCIENTEMENTE ENGANAN LA COMUNIDAD INTERNACIONAL DESACREDITANDOLA !!!!!!

Feb 19, 2014 8:35am EST  --  Report as abuse
DariaKa wrote:

David Kraner, el Presidente de la Organizacion Internacional no gubernamental Freedom House y el Presidente del Parlamento Europeo Martin Shulz estan seguro que el Presidente de Ucrania Victor Yanukovitch ya HA PERDIDO SU LEGITIMIDAD Y OBLIGA A DIMITIR.

DOCENAS PERSONAS MATADAS, MILES PERSONAS HERIDAS, LAS AUTORIDADES CRIMINALES QUE COMPONEN UNA MAFIA UCRANIANA SIGUEN MATANDO UNA GENTE PACIFICA! UCRANIANA! Y LAS PERIODISTAS Y REPRESENTANTES DE OTROS PAISES!!! ESCUCHANOS!!! NO HAY TERRORISTAS Y EXTREMISTAS ENTRE LOS PROTESTANTES!!!

UCRANIANOS ESTAN TOTALMENTE SIN ARMAS Y REMEDIOS !!! LAS AUTORIDADES UCRANIANAS (EL PRESIDENTE Y EL GOBIERNO) CONSCIENTEMENTE USAN LAS FUERZAS ARMADAS CONTRA LOS PACIFICOS UCRANIANOS!!! LAS AUTORIDADES UCRANIANAS CONSCIENTEMENTE ENGANAN LA COMUNIDAD INTERNACIONAL DESACREDITANDOLA !!!!!!

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DariaKa wrote:

David Kraner, el Presidente de la Organizacion Internacional no gubernamental Freedom House y el Presidente del Parlamento Europeo Martin Shulz estan seguro que el Presidente de Ucrania Victor Yanukovitch ya HA PERDIDO SU LEGITIMIDAD Y OBLIGA A DIMITIR.

DOCENAS PERSONAS MATADAS, MILES PERSONAS HERIDAS, LAS AUTORIDADES CRIMINALES QUE COMPONEN UNA MAFIA UCRANIANA SIGUEN MATANDO UNA GENTE PACIFICA! UCRANIANA! Y LAS PERIODISTAS Y REPRESENTANTES DE OTROS PAISES!!! ESCUCHANOS!!! NO HAY TERRORISTAS Y EXTREMISTAS ENTRE LOS PROTESTANTES!!!

UCRANIANOS ESTAN TOTALMENTE SIN ARMAS Y REMEDIOS !!! LAS AUTORIDADES UCRANIANAS (EL PRESIDENTE Y EL GOBIERNO) CONSCIENTEMENTE USAN LAS FUERZAS ARMADAS CONTRA LOS PACIFICOS UCRANIANOS!!! LAS AUTORIDADES UCRANIANAS CONSCIENTEMENTE ENGANAN LA COMUNIDAD INTERNACIONAL DESACREDITANDOLA !!!!!!

Feb 19, 2014 8:35am EST  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

@LenicGB

>How should the people react when their elected president suddenly sides with the Russian Federation rather than the EU which is presumably what the people want.

You mean SOME of the people want. Apparently, there are also other people in the Ukraine, who would prefer siding with Russia. The only thing that is clear for sure is that the first group resorts to violent and non-democratic actions.

>You say Ukranian’s should wait until their next election cycle.
Yes, this is the ONLY civilized way. That is, if they want to be part of the civilized world, they should do exactly that.

>By that time they’ll be part of the RF without any referendum or public support.
This is no argument. Yanukovich has been president for 3.5 years and gas less than 1/3 of the term left. Nothing of that sort happened so far and there has been no danger of it happening. There was, however, clear danger of popular recognition in the U?kraine that the EU idea is not as attractive as they were lead to believe. This I think is the origin of all the incit4ement to the violence these savages had.

>One has to wonder what’s really going on when Yanukovich claims that protesters are attempting a “coup.”
Look at the photographs. Read the news. Center of the formerly beautiful city is on fire. Dozens of police in hospitals with the gunshot wounds. Up to a dozen dead from firearms. And you wonder what’s going on?

Feb 19, 2014 8:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
DariaKa wrote:

David Kraner, el Presidente de la Organizacion Internacional no gubernamental Freedom House y el Presidente del Parlamento Europeo Martin Shulz estan seguro que el Presidente de Ucrania Victor Yanukovitch ya HA PERDIDO SU LEGITIMIDAD Y OBLIGA A DIMITIR.

DOCENAS PERSONAS MATADAS, MILES PERSONAS HERIDAS, LAS AUTORIDADES CRIMINALES QUE COMPONEN UNA MAFIA UCRANIANA SIGUEN MATANDO UNA GENTE PACIFICA! UCRANIANA! Y LAS PERIODISTAS Y REPRESENTANTES DE OTROS PAISES!!! ESCUCHANOS!!! NO HAY TERRORISTAS Y EXTREMISTAS ENTRE LOS PROTESTANTES!!!

UCRANIANOS ESTAN TOTALMENTE SIN ARMAS Y REMEDIOS !!! LAS AUTORIDADES UCRANIANAS (EL PRESIDENTE Y EL GOBIERNO) CONSCIENTEMENTE USAN LAS FUERZAS ARMADAS CONTRA LOS PACIFICOS UCRANIANOS!!! LAS AUTORIDADES UCRANIANAS CONSCIENTEMENTE ENGANAN LA COMUNIDAD INTERNACIONAL DESACREDITANDOLA !!!!!!

Feb 19, 2014 8:37am EST  --  Report as abuse
DariaKa wrote:

My God!! It’s a kind of inhuman CINIZM!! President Yanukovitch orders the Armed forces to kill peaceful protestants on Maidan and simultaneously announces 20-th of February as the Day of Sorrow!!!
HIS WORDS AND HIS ACTIONS ARE PARALLEL LINES THAT NEVER CROSS EACH OTHER.

Feb 19, 2014 8:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
Jingan wrote:

against those blamed for the bloodshed……meaning who?

Feb 19, 2014 8:54am EST  --  Report as abuse
sabrefencer wrote:

the new putin bear, would have stayed in his Russia and maybe concentrated, more on improving their lives, rather than meddle in Ukraine..instead, rather than look inward, he sees a horribly weak America, run by the pied piper, Obama…he knows, we, for all purposes, will do nothing but (yawnnnnnnnnnnn) make speeches and look in the mirror, while doing so…so he, like the shark he is, is looking for opportunities outward….focus his peoples attention outward..so they don’t see that they have slipped backwards, almost to the soviet state of 1950….Ukraine, is first and foremost in his sights….the Ukrainians, need to decide for themselves, which way they want to go…all parties need to stay on the sidelines and let the Ukrainians decide their own fate….Putin , has never played fair in his life…so you know his old intelligence buddies are all over Ukraine, advising the communist head of the country, advising the secret police, advising the army…Ukrainians, need to overcome these obstacles placed in their paths…the west and their intel agencies, need to nullify the affects of putins advisors and spies, already in the country….then back off and let the Ukrainians sort it all out for themselves….good luck Ukraine..may you make the right decision for you……..

Feb 19, 2014 9:01am EST  --  Report as abuse
Oma wrote:

Various comments have said that within the past two years Yanukovich illegally changed the constitution, without the participation of the parliament, to give himself dictatorial powers. It is also said that during the past two years Yanukovich has removed billions of dollars worth of Ukrainian wealth to western countries.

If these things are true, they are a matters of public record. Are they true? Reuters? NY Times?

Feb 19, 2014 9:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
Oma wrote:

Various comments have said that within the past two years Yanukovich illegally changed the constitution, without the participation of the parliament, to give himself dictatorial powers. It is also said that during the past two years Yanukovich has removed billions of dollars worth of Ukrainian wealth to western countries.

If these things are true, they are a matters of public record. Are they true? Reuters? NY Times?

Feb 19, 2014 9:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

“We will stay until victory. We want our children to grow up in a normal country where there are civilized laws not the laws of a penal colony.”

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Feb 19, 2014 10:01am EST  --  Report as abuse
BlueCannon wrote:

The opposition is morally supported by US and EU.

The gov is materially supported by Russia with shields, clubs, tear-gas, water cannon etc except AK47s belong to Ukraine.

Yanukovich ? Sorry, he is off the air for now. His troops are now mobilized by Putin to cater to contingencies. Putin doesn’t want ex-president of Romania executed by army squad to repeat in Ukraine.

“More bloodbath doomed forthcoming, so what ? They are not Russians but Soviet traitors anyway”, so thought Putin.

Feb 19, 2014 10:35am EST  --  Report as abuse
HappyGirl4u wrote:

OH NO, Not sanctions. Are they like the red line in the sand like barry did?

Feb 19, 2014 10:52am EST  --  Report as abuse
WestFlorida wrote:

It is strange. In both Ukraine and Thailand, there is a vocal minority attempting to overthrow an elected government. The Thai government was elected twice, yet still it is facing an over-throw.

Feb 19, 2014 11:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Yanukovich is Putin’s greatest failure yet. He will lose the territory.

Feb 19, 2014 11:16am EST  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

@Oma: can you get a lot of true “public records” from N. Korea?..
On a basic level, the same goes for the modern Russian, Belorussian, Ukrainian, Chinese, you name it, totalitarian regimes.
That’s one of the MAIN differences!

Feb 19, 2014 11:16am EST  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

“European Union leaders condemned what they called “the unjustified use of excessive force by the Ukrainian authorities”

Unbelieveable when dozen of police officers are dead from gunshots! Who killed them? Excessif force from their peers?

Here in the US protesters would never do what the so called West allow them to do in other countries.

In Washington we all saw one mental ill women who went to protest in Washington brutally killed publicly with her baby inside the car by an army of police officers and secret service agents because she supposedly hit a checkpoint.(her car had no dent). She was chassed and never given a chance to get out of the car and explain herself. They never even cared about her one year old baby inside the car.

And I was outraged to see US senators only a few minutes later come out in defense of the deadly/excessif force by these secret service agents.

Nobody can be allowed to protest with covered face and cocktail molotov and batons and occupy government buildings in the US. Anybody who does will meet, not excessif, but deadly force. Why should it be different in Ukraine? If anything, the Ukrainian government was too lenient.

The West manufactured this crisis and deaths to pressure the Ukrainian government to choose IMF aid(international bankers) over Russian’s. Yakonovich made the right choice rejecting IMF which is an institution set up by international bankers to rob nations.

Those who say Yakunovich sold Ukraine to Russia are not being forthcoming. The Ukrainian government had a choice between 600 million IMF aid which always comes with impossible conditions and 15 billion aid from Russia.

Any reasonable person would’ve made the choice Yakunovich did. I don’t know how those who criticize Ukraine’s government(saying Yakunovich sold Ukraine to Russia) think that selling Ukraine at a meager 600 million dollars to the West is better than 15 billion to Russia. Money talks, b.s. walks.

Feb 19, 2014 11:33am EST  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

@Fromkin
re: “Here in the US protesters would never do what the so called West allow them to do in other countries.” – Here in the US we did it, in 1775–1783.

Feb 19, 2014 11:50am EST  --  Report as abuse
Tyshkevich wrote:

And so the civil war, fueled by brazen foreign intervention, has started. I think at this stage it has become practically irrelevant whether Yanukovich and his thieving regime are undemocratic, corrupt and deserving to be hanged, as many observers would rightly argue. What will increasingly define the opposing sides in this war is their stand on a choice between the wholesale integration to Europe and the preservation of traditional alliance with Russia. Unfortunately, the provocatively open Western meddling in the crisis (as captured by an overheard telephone conversation of Nuland and the US ambassador in Kiev Pyatt) enabled the Yanukovich’s regime to come up with a powerful rallying call that will be answered by at least 30% of the citizens of Ukraine, i.e., defend your country from foreign (a.k.a. Western) intervention.
And so the country will become increasingly split (e.g., the western provinces have already declared political autonomy, while Crimea has asked the President to introduce the state of emergency), and instead of fighting against corruption, thieving and bullying of the oligarchs, people will kill one another in what is shaping up to be a proxy war between the West and Russia. Back to the good ol’ days of the Cold War, right?

Feb 19, 2014 12:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bill1212 wrote:

Wouldn’t it make more sense to impose sanctions on Russia, Russia is fueling the fire? Typical politicians, couldn’t find their own asses if someone put both their hands on it for them!

How about supporting the opposition in Ukraine with weapons and food. These people have left their homes and families to fight this fight. Ukraine’s government will never change from mafia style until the current president is removed and all control from Russia is dissolved!

Feb 19, 2014 12:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
NeverNever wrote:

Having watched live feeds from Maidan Square all night, I must come to the conclusion that the actions taken by the government and police have been remarkably restrained. The police have been pelted with rocks and fire-bombs, and hit with gunfire, but have not responded with any of the overwhelming force which they must have in their arsenal.
The actions of the opposition leader Klitchko in egging on the crowd and then blamimg President Yanukovich for not stopping the violence, appear disingenuous at best. I am left wondering what Angela Merkel told the opposition leaders when they met this week.
That the EU is considering sanctions against Ukraine over the riots leads me to believe that this is all a manoeuvre to force Ukraine to back away from Russia and cave to the odious terms of the Association Agreement presented by the EU – which requires Ukraine to turn control of its military and territory to NATO in return for customs access for Ukraine’s exports to the EU, but would sentence the people of Ukraine to austerity and poverty for the foreseeable future.

Feb 19, 2014 12:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

> Ukraine leader accuses protesters of coup
News Flash : Ukrainian citizens accuse Yanukovich of criminal gang involvement, destruction of the constitution, criminal activity, extortion, corruption and crimes against the state.

Feb 19, 2014 1:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
pbgd wrote:

Injustice always begets more injustice. The now rebelling “West Ukraine” was stolen by the Soviets from Poland in the first place.

Feb 19, 2014 2:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
musicmouse wrote:

“The sprawling nation [] is the object of a geopolitical tug-of-war between Moscow and the West.”

Stated this way this is propaganda. It was the EU that formulated its treaty proposal in such a way that Ukraine would loose its natural and historic connection to Russia.

Feb 19, 2014 2:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

After he US and EU sitting by and watching what Russia did to Georgia, why would anyone in the Ukraine trust us?

Feb 19, 2014 2:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
chyron wrote:

@PBGD troll
So this is why thankful grandfathers of today’s rioters purged every pole incl. infants?
http:// en.wikipedia. org/ wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia

Not to mention that pre-WWI this region was part of Austro-Hungaria for two centuries.

Feb 19, 2014 2:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
facethesun wrote:

@BraveNewWrld — some of the western media has done an extremely poor job describing the situation in Ukraine. There is not really the division between east and west — majority of the eastern part of the country is also fed up with the president. This is not about EU vs. Russia, this is about having a functional government that is not openly corrupt and stealing from people. This is about having a normal civilized life. Ukrainian people are hard working and well educated, they deserve a decent standard of living. Most of the people who are “supporting” the president are paid to do so, this is no secret (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/16/ukraine-government-protests/5435315/). They cannot wait another year and a half — Yanukovich will sell off half of the country and drive ukrainian businesses and bright people out. By that time he will also make sure that he gets re-elected in any way possible. He is simply Putin’s puppet.

Feb 19, 2014 2:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
kommy wrote:

The sanctions mean nothing for Ukraine, whose economy largely oriented on Russia.

The riots are driven by past ambitions of fallen Empires like Poland and Austro-Hungaria, and will turn Ukrainians into slaves once again.

The goal of EU is to destroy Ukrainian economy, and flood the market with EU goods.

If they fail, the EU may see its demise as well- concurring the Ukraine market is an easy target, but there are no other alternative in a face of new crisis loop.

Feb 19, 2014 3:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

@AauS

“We will stay until victory. We want our children to grow up in a normal country where there are civilized laws not the laws of a penal colony.”

This must be an excerpt from a propaganda song. Same rosy song was sung to Serbians or Lybians. But today people’s lives there have turned into nightmares while they are being robbed blind by Western robber barrons and global bankers.

Conscientiously or unconscientiously people like you support looting operations by global bankers using the might of Wasington to destroy anybody or any country standing against their looting ways.

“Here in the US we did it, in 1775–1783.”

Cuba did it, in 1964. Iran did it, in 1979.

True revolutions are not born from foreign meddling.

Back then When the US did it in 1775-1783, who were the equivalent of Victoria Nuland, John McCain…inciting Americans, giving them snacks,etc.. to revolt?

Feb 19, 2014 3:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

“Ukrainian President calls protests ‘coup attempt’.” Yeah and that’s what Ceausescu called the protests in Romania. Before he got dead.

Call them what you want. But once it gets to this point, you either give up your seat, or you give up your head…. and your seat. The revolution is on.

Feb 19, 2014 3:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

@kommy > The riots are driven by past ambitions
Huh? Yanukovich and his criminal enterprise eastern gang Party of regions is now stopped from taking over the entire country, by the bravery of people who make .0001% of what Yanukovich and his gang extort from Ukraine.
That’s what the riots are driven by. The EU decision by Yanukovich was merely the straw that broke the camels back.

Feb 19, 2014 3:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TomK2 wrote:

I feel sorry for the Ukrainian people. As in Poland the sentiment is that they should not be forced into a 1 or 0 solution. They should be able to be as close to Russia as they want while being as close to EU as they want.

Neither the President nor the protesters seem to be close to the actual people of Ukraine. There are no massive demonstrations or huge strikes to indicate support for the square nor I doubt anyone wants corrupt president to stay.

What is sad is that the tug of war is tearing the country apart with no one caring about the people.

The demonstrators are definitely going too far with the use of guns against police force – this is un-needed escalation that will spill more blood. The security forces are also Ukrainians and killing them is not the way to build a country.

Ideally EU and Russia would agree to end the tug and both the demonstrators and the president were thrown into a black hole.

Feb 19, 2014 3:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Danram wrote:

Freezing the assets of Yanukovich and his cronies is a good start. But if the west really wants to change the equation, then they need to also freeze the assets of the Ukrainian and Russian oligarchs who keep Yanukovich in power by buying off legislators, among other things.

If these guys see their wallets being squeezed, they will turn on Yanukovich and allow the constitution to be amended to strip the presidency of much of the unilateral power that it now holds. The Ukrainian parliament’s refusal to hold a vote on these reforms was what touched off the recent violence.

Unfortunately, Barack Obama’s “warnings” of “severe consequences” don’t hold a whole lot of weight right now. The world has seen how his “red lines” don’t amount to much. That only emboldens our adversaries. I miss George W. Bush. People might not have liked him, but at least they didn’t laugh at him.

Feb 19, 2014 4:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
tylerj wrote:

Hope they dont have to much natural gas there. If they do Kerry and Obama will be pushing for an invasion of “peacekeepers”

Feb 19, 2014 4:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Danram laments: “I miss George W. Bush. People might not have liked him, but at least they didn’t laugh at him.”

Yes they did. I can assure you. In case you missed it, there was a huge Bush joke called ‘mission accomplished.’ And then the one where he spent a trillion taxpayer dollars and 4,000 U.S. military lives on ‘peace and democracy in the middle east.’ The world not only used to laugh at Bush, it’s STILL laughing. And we’re kind of laughing at you too now. Mission accomplished :)

Feb 19, 2014 4:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

Danram laments: “I miss George W. Bush. People might not have liked him, but at least they didn’t laugh at him.”

Also Russia sent its military in Georgia when Bush was in charge. If its interests are threatened in Ukraine it will do it again regardless of who is president in the US. The fact is Putin’s Russia is not Yeltsin’s or Gorbatchev’s Russia.

Feb 19, 2014 5:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

@Fromkin > Russia sent its military .. If its interests are
> threatened in Ukraine it will do it again regardless
This will never happen. Yanukovich’s rule will come to an end and there will not be Russian tanks in Kiev. Putin has no control over Ukrainian citizens who want their government back from a criminal gang.

Feb 19, 2014 5:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
T.S. wrote:

@BraveNewWrld If anyone here is mental it is YOU… well either that or you are a troll. Regardless, you know damn well that it has long since become irrelevant how Yanukovich was elected. He is a dictator and now has blood on his hands. Others like him have been ousted and hopefully will he be too. The people of Ukraine have a fundamental right to voice their opinion and protest if needed. The government is supposed to serve them and uphold that right. Any use of force by the government is anti-democratic and trumps anything that happened during the previous elections. There is no point in waiting for the next one. A new election must take place NOW. Furthermore, if so few people are against Yanukovich as you suggest, then why is he so afraid of having the election now in the first place? Let Ukrainians vote and, provided it is a legitimate process, we’ll see who the real extremist minority in the country is.

Feb 19, 2014 5:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
T.S. wrote:

@BraveNewWrld If anyone here is mental it is YOU… well either that or you are a troll. Regardless, you know damn well that it has long since become irrelevant how Yanukovich was elected. He is a dictator and now has blood on his hands. Others like him have been ousted and hopefully will he be too. The people of Ukraine have a fundamental right to voice their opinion and protest if needed. The government is supposed to serve them and uphold that right. Any use of force by the government is anti-democratic and trumps anything that happened during the previous elections. There is no point in waiting for the next one. A new election must take place NOW. Furthermore, if so few people are against Yanukovich as you suggest, then why is he so afraid of having the election now in the first place? Let Ukrainians vote and, provided it is a legitimate process, we’ll see who the real extremist minority in the country is.

Feb 19, 2014 5:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
T.S. wrote:

@BraveNewWrld If anyone here is mental it is YOU… well either that or you are a troll. Regardless, you know damn well that it has long since become irrelevant how Yanukovich was elected. He is a dictator and now has blood on his hands. Others like him have been ousted and hopefully will he be too. The people of Ukraine have a fundamental right to voice their opinion and protest if needed. The government is supposed to serve them and uphold that right. Any use of force by the government is anti-democratic and trumps anything that happened during the previous elections. There is no point in waiting for the next one. A new election must take place NOW. Furthermore, if so few people are against Yanukovich as you suggest, then why is he so afraid of having the election now in the first place? Let Ukrainians vote and, provided it is a legitimate process, we’ll see who the real extremist minority in the country is.

Feb 19, 2014 5:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
T.S. wrote:

@BraveNewWrld If anyone here is mental it is YOU… well either that or you are a troll. Regardless, you know damn well that it has long since become irrelevant how Yanukovich was elected. He is a dictator and now has blood on his hands. Others like him have been ousted and hopefully will he be too. The people of Ukraine have a fundamental right to voice their opinion and protest if needed. The government is supposed to serve them and uphold that right. Any use of force by the government is anti-democratic and trumps anything that happened during the previous elections. There is no point in waiting for the next one. A new election must take place NOW. Furthermore, if so few people are against Yanukovich as you suggest, then why is he so afraid of having the election now in the first place? Let Ukrainians vote and, provided it is a legitimate process, we’ll see who the real extremist minority in the country is.

Feb 19, 2014 5:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
T.S. wrote:

@BraveNewWrld If anyone here is mental it is YOU… well either that or you are a troll. Regardless, you know damn well that it has long since become irrelevant how Yanukovich was elected. He is a dictator and now has blood on his hands. Others like him have been ousted and hopefully will he be too. The people of Ukraine have a fundamental right to voice their opinion and protest if needed. The government is supposed to serve them and uphold that right. Any use of force by the government is anti-democratic and trumps anything that happened during the previous elections. There is no point in waiting for the next one. A new election must take place NOW. Furthermore, if so few people are against Yanukovich as you suggest, then why is he so afraid of having the election now in the first place? Let Ukrainians vote and, provided it is a legitimate process, we’ll see who the real extremist minority in the country is.

Feb 19, 2014 5:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
f00 wrote:

Left and jew-worshiping “right” duking it out. Pop open a cold one and watch the fun.

Russia is a white nation that doesn’t embrace degeneracy and throws monkey wrenches into Greater Israel’s world power dreams. So it has to be fought by any means necessary. And jews got plenty of means.

Feb 19, 2014 7:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
LenicGB wrote:

@BraveNewWrld – I did say that no referendum is being held. The will of the people is not being heeded. Your comments are out of place as you clearly did not read what I stated, furthermore your statements seem to contradict themselves.

Are you proposing that the Ukrainians simply allow themselves to become part of the Russian Federation when this is clearly not what they want? When their President gives in to cronyism do they have no recourse?

What’s the matter with you?

Feb 19, 2014 11:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
hannum7 wrote:

Which Path Ukraine? by James Hannum, London

Ukraine is faced with a choice between retaining its local economy and local autonomy, or

attempting membership in a Russian confederation or the EU. Both of the latter are large and

distantly ruled components of what some PR (public relations) firms call “the Global Economy.”

The opponents of the Global Economy and its subdivisions, who advocate local economies and

national democracies, call the Global Economy by a different name: Economic and Military

Imperialism. We are of this second persuasion. http://www.scottlondon.com/interviews/mander1.html

Ukraine should look at what is happening to the EU border countries, Greece, Spain, Italy, Cyprus,

Ireland. They were lured into the EU and the Euro with promises of wealth. Instead the clever

French-Belgian-German big banks, corporations, and EU puppet politicians used tricks, shell

games, loan kickbacks, etc. to steal what little money they had. EU now cuts back their schools,

healthcare, train systems, etc. in austerity policies so the people’s taxes go to the EU and its banker

overlords as “debt interest.” If these countries try to escape from austerity the only way is to

borrow more money from the banks. They will thus never pay off the debt; the debt will grow, and

the increased interest on the loans will further rob their economies.

Do those pro-EU people in Maydan Ploshad read even the mainstream (corporate controlled) news?

When you allow the centre of money and power to be a thousand kilometers away from the Ukraine

border, in the hands of “superior” and wealthy foreigners, what do you expect to happen? Ask a

Greek or an Italian. They will tell you.

Culture is the glue that holds a people together. There can be no real communities without culture.

Ukraine, Kiev Rus, has a rich culture diverse from Poland, Slovakia, and Germany. Without

economic independence, Ukraine’s unique culture and identity will be inexorably and continuously

eroded. Globalization destroys all cultures.

Ukrainians! Do not sell out your local democracy, your local economy, your Hrivna, your heritage.

Ukraine has rich soil, strong forests, and all the minerals it needs to make its own products and

foodstuffs, the Ukrainian way. The absentee capitalists and big foreign bankers welcome the chance

to exploit you, clear-cut and export your forests, strip-mine your mountains, and turn your children

into sweatshop and plantation workers for their distant profits!

Ask the people of the US if they have democracy. They will tell you that their elections are fixed,

just like Yanukovych’s elections. There is no important difference between the Clintons, the Bushes,

the Obamas. Other parties, such as the Green Party, are never allowed seats in the US parliament

regardless of how many votes they get; elections for each seat in their parliament are given to the

candidate who receives the most votes. Greens or another party could receive 25% of the votes for

a particular state senate seat, say the seat for Virginia, yet the Greens would receive no seats (unlike

European parliaments, where seats are apportioned to each party commensurate with the percentage

of the vote they received. The European system is thus more democratic. The financial elite (1%)

have bought both major parties in the US, and every seat in their parliament is filled with only those

party members. They will tell you how Bush stuffed the ballot boxes with dead people’s names and

illegally denied the vote to citizens who had been imprisoned and let free. At least the 200 million

Americans who oppose this corporate rule will tell you. If you think America and the west have

democracy, ask ten tourists and learn that the majority opposed and oppose the wars. The people

have very little power, and are led like sheep by their elite-owned television and printed media. The

only truth is found reading between the lines, as they say. And in the internet. Investigate yourself.

If you have not seen it yet, a good place to start your investigation is by watching free internet

documentaries, such as LooseChange.

Globalization’s goal is not world peace and love. It’s goal is world conquest, exploitation, and

subjugation. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Thomas Jefferson said that

democracy cannot survive in a country as large as the US if the power is centralized in a federal

government. He fought for local democratic governments in the individual cities and states of the

US. We see Jefferson’s predictions come true throughout US history: The conquering and

destruction of many peoples and their independent economies and cultures. The Hawaiians, the

Mexican lands of Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona, the many N. American peoples, such as the

Apache, Cherokee, Sioux, Arapahoe, the Black African slaves, the Alaskan peoples, and many

others. Today the corrupt American central government continues its military, economic, and

cultural colonization of Iraq, Libya, Egypt, and prepares to invade Syria and Iran, to steal the

oilfields from those independent peoples for US bankers’ and oil oligarchs’ personal wealth

aggrandizement.

These oligarchs control the media and project positive images of the US, but if you investigate the

facts yourself you will learn the truth. Read history books, read biographies of US and western

leaders such as Bill Clinton, the Bush family, Tony Blair, the Rockefeller and Rothschild families,

and other modern corporate and banking principals. Then answer this question: Do Ukrainians want

their sons dying in Middle East wars, to steal oilfields for US and British fat cats? The families of

the Italian and French sons slaughtered in the West’s wars of imperialism didn’t even receive free

tanks of gas to go to the funerals! Nor did the English (or American) people receive any oil or gas

from their criminal wars and occupations. The corporate and banking fat cats, the mega-capitalists

who run the western governments, stole the oil fields for themselves, personally. The people didn’t

get anything except wounds and deaths.

Do Ukrainians want EU membership for Ukraine?

Let the people be strong enough and wise enough to say NO.

May Ukraine remain, and become more so, strong, self sufficient, and self ruled.

May your land remain forever U K R A I N I A N ! ! !

For the same reasons, we should refuse loans from Russian banks. We remember the 25.000

“Kulaks” intentionally starved to death when Mother Russia stole most of Ukraine’s grain in the

1930s. We remember the Moscow soviet oligarchs riding in their Zil limousines right down the

centre of the streets, people and carts diving to the side. We remember their lavish dachas filled with

western produkts and servants.

I do not know if the arrogant Russian ruling class, who stole all the People’s industries, equipment,

and money when the CCCP fell, and turned themselves instantly into corrupt, greedy, parasitic

big-capitalists, are better or worse than the smooth tricksters running the EU. But it is obvious to

anyone who cares to investigate and read, who cares to ask fellow Europeans, that Ukraine needs

neither the EU nor Russia. We don’t need their loans, their products, their rules, or their rulers.

Ukraine has been invaded by Austro-Hungarians, Vikings, Poles, Russians, and Germans. The

invaders from the West and the Northeast today are advancing on us for the same purpose as the

others. Exploitation, imposition of foreign rule, wealth extraction, subjugation. The loss of Ukraine’s

new-found independence will be gradual but ever advancing at the hands of the insidious, the

insincere, the well dressed. They do not come here to make us rich, but rather to make themselves

rich. So have invaders always done.

Beware of foreigners bearing gifts. Do not bring the beautiful huge wooden Trojan Horse within the

gates.

To Pro-EU Activists:

Wittingly or unwittingly your movement is a sad product of Western mainstream media, and their

lackey Ukrainian press. When you exalt “free” trade, you know, but refuse to acknowledge, that

there are only two variants of countries that enter that imperialistic system: 1.) “Developed”

countries with sprawling parking lots, big box chain stores, decadence, over-consumption,

arrogance, and militarism against: 2.) The “Underdeveloped” countries, run by bowing and scraping

corrupt puppets-or-Colonial-Powers (US, UK, W. Europe). Those in No. 1 are constantly

brainwashed by their big-screen entertainment centres (TVs) to believe that they are happy and free.

The sad truth is that they have no democracy at all. The Democrat Obama is the same as

Republican Bush. They are both puppets of the Big Capitalists. Most people in America oppose the

massive 3 a.m. residential drone program; the US (with help from EU) sends nightly barrages of

remotely controlled drones to kill “Terrorists” (enemies of US business interests, i.e. US colonial

policy). Targets are Pakistan, Syria, Libya, Iran, Algeria etc. No trials, no convictions… just instant

death. Why 3 a.m.? To catch the “enemy of Freedom” at home. Of course this kills his family and

neighbors too, but this is part of “Freedom.” George Bush said in many speeches, “They hate us

because we’re free. They hate freedom.

Read even the mainstream press in America and UK, constant complaints about the new “Patriot

Act” and “Homeland Security” laws of BushObama, demonstrations much bigger than Maydan

protesting that these laws violate the Constitution, take away rights of American and UK citizens.

Ask them and they will tell you about it. Have you asked them? Or have you merely fawned on

them, talked of sports or cars, drooled over their huge polluting SUV vehicles?

Did you support the Vietnam War? Do you support the ongoing Oil Wars? Iran and Syria are the

next targets, millions will die. The drones kill thousands of women and children, Google it on the

internet if you have courage. If you are hiding for the truth, if you are a propaganda warrior for the

Big Capitalists, you will not Google it or anything else. To justify invasion, George Bush and Tony

Blair said that Iraq did 9/11 and had Weapons of Mass Destruction. They later admitted these

statements were mistaken, blaming faulty intelligence reports, but they continued the war and bloody

occupation, and did not return the oil fields to their lawful owners, the people of Iraq.

The west and the US make very few of their own products. Walk into any store and read the

products. The vast majority are made in Chinan, Indian, Indonesian etc. sweat shops. The west has

a false, parasitic economy. They are the consumers in the global economy. Such an economy

cannot last. Such is not sustainable. Such is not moral. There is no self-respect in it. Can you see

that there is a huge difference between (A.) Man who owns his own business (small farm, tailor

shop, bicycle repair shop, vegetable store, etc.) and works in the farm/shop doing real work every

day; and (B.) Man who sits at a ₤10.000 desk high in a building overlooking the city, doing no

productive work whatsoever, merely taking the cream off the top of sweatshop and plantation

workers labour? Are you Pro-EU activists such a novice with capitalism, 24 years after the CCCP

fell? Please read:

http://innovationwatch.com/the-case-against-the-global-economy-and-for-a-turn-toward-the-local-by

-jerry-mander-and-edward-goldsmith-eds-sierra-club-books/

The former CCCP countries are suffering enough job loss due to the Globalized economy, without

Ukraine becoming a vassal state Junior-member of the EU or the Rus. Confederation. “Experts” and

TV talking heads in the West have for decades claimed that the cause of unemployment and

₤Multi-Trillions national debt, are complex. These heads and leaders argue on the TV shows about

what the cause is.

They never agree and never solve the problem, and each year unemployment grows a little higher.

Yet the cause of unemployment in the West is really quite simple. Their political puppets obeyed

their financial elite overlords’ order to eliminate the West’s centuries-old protective tariffs. This

allowed the BIG corporate & banking elites to set up sweatshops and plantations in

“underdeveloped” countries, and increase their already obscene wealth.

The West makes very little now. Furniture, clothing, utensils, electronics, boots — almost all is made

in SE Asian sweat factories. Women and children work 60 hours a week for almost nothing. Unless

the whole family works, they will starve in their hovels (халупи). Their puppet governments

(installed and funded by the CIA, M6, and Mossad) are very “pro development” and eliminate or

stop enforcing all environmental, worker safety, and union laws.

They need to keep the wages “competitive,” this is the race to the bottom for wages. Only those

countries with the lowest wages, lowest or no corporate taxes, and the least laws protecting the

people’s forests, lakes, rivers, air… only those countries with the most “business friendly” policies

allowing land grabs for plantations, and toxic strip mining and mountain top removal, etc., are fully

employed. When another country offers the global, rootless corporate exploiters more profits, they

quickly move there, leaving their toxic residue and forests cut and bulldozed into ugly ruin. The

country has been “developed.”

US and Western EU don’t even do their own farm work any more. Mexicans come across the

border, and Poles & Lithuanians come across the Baltic Sea, plant, tend, and pick the crops, and

return home with a few dollars/euros. If you have eyes to see, you’ll notice that the children are

picking alongside their parents and grandparents… otherwise they can’t survive in the miserable

shacks they inhabit. Shacks often made each wall and from a different discarded material, dirt

floors, no heat, not even outhouses! About 10% of the fruit/vegetable’s sale price goes to the

workers who grow it. 90% is profit for the distant owners who don’t know a weed from a cabbage.

Read please how the currencies and the global-imperial economy of the West is falling. Is it wise to

give up the Hrivna for Euros? The big western banks know well all the tricks and stratagems for

“losing” all the money on “bad investments” “bundled mortgages” “derivatives” “junk bonds” “bank

failures” and sophisticated ponzi schemes. The ₤Billions are never really lost, they are just cleverly

stolen. But no one goes to jail, except for the occasional highly profiled scapegoat, like Bernie

Madoff.

Did you study Marx and Lenin? Now is when you have need of their teachings, mired and duped as

you are by Big Capital. Do not fall into the easy trap of disbelieving everything you learned about

economics, classes, and imperialism, just because some fat Russians disobeyed these principals

and sold out to the enemy. Don’t kill the goose just because she got some mud on her. Try to think

for yourself. Investigate, question, learn the truth about Global Capitalism yourself. Don’t just parrot

back what the foreigners tell you. Don’t mix up two separate issues, opposition or support of

Yanukovych, and opposition or support of EU. They want you to do so, and you are very simple

minded if you fall for it. We support Yulia, not Yanukovych. We oppose Russian and EU

imperialism.

The Soviet Union fell for the same reason Big Capitalism will. Arrogance and fat at the top. Too

much centralization of power corrupted them absolutely. The leaders were too many kilometers

from the people. The fat politburo men in Moscow lorded it over us Ukrainians. They tried to

replace your culture and language with theirs. They only pretended to follow Marx and Lenin’s

teachings. So does the West, the US, the EU only pretend to follow democracy and equality and

respect for all people of the world. They give great speeches, those Tony Blairs, Angela Merkels,

Bushes, Obamas. So did Mussolini in his attempt to rebuild the Roman Empire. His made his

conquest, Ethiopia, look like present day Iraq after the Americans have occupied it for 10 years.

Thousands dead and the country in ruins.

I agree with the many who say the corrupt Yanukovych must go. He is a puppet of Russian and

Ukrainian financial elite. He should be arrested and put to the prison cell vacated by Yulia. But do

not jump from the frying pan into the fire! Do not escape Yanukovych by jumping into EU

membership or economic integration with Russia. Jump instead out of the fireplace!

–James Hannum (with the help of his wife Lesya)

Feb 21, 2014 3:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
Heavenly wrote:

Any financial assistance activists on Maidan:

WMZ-кошелёк-Z646883238706

WME-кошелёк- E751762665149

Feb 21, 2014 9:12am EST  --  Report as abuse
Heavenly wrote:

Any financial assistance activists on Maidan:

WMZ-кошелёк-Z646883238706

WME-кошелёк- E751762665149

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